comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
I can guarantee that more than 50% of the 17.4 million had zero knowledge on what the EU have given them in their lifetime.

And its not their fault, the UK government never publicised it, here in Ireland we see signage everywhere on roads, buildings etc. that were built with EU funding.
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In fairness, 'EU funding' is disingenuous to say the least.

There's no EU funds except for those that the tax payers of member states have paid into.

comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 7 minutes ago
No Deal will cause there to be a shortage of life saving medication. People will die. But it’s ok because democracy.
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On the plus side it'll ease the housing crisis

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
I can guarantee that more than 50% of the 17.4 million had zero knowledge on what the EU have given them in their lifetime.

And its not their fault, the UK government never publicised it, here in Ireland we see signage everywhere on roads, buildings etc. that were built with EU funding.
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In fairness, 'EU funding' is disingenuous to say the least.

There's no EU funds except for those that the tax payers of member states have paid into.
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They literally built modern infastructe all around Dublin Winston.

kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)

Yes, but it's money from our taxes.

The fact it went via the EU is relevant, but calling them EU funds is disingenuous imo.

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
I can guarantee that more than 50% of the 17.4 million had zero knowledge on what the EU have given them in their lifetime.

And its not their fault, the UK government never publicised it, here in Ireland we see signage everywhere on roads, buildings etc. that were built with EU funding.
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In fairness, 'EU funding' is disingenuous to say the least.

There's no EU funds except for those that the tax payers of member states have paid into.
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They literally built modern infastructe all around Dublin Winston.
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You seem to have missed the point.

I don't get your point Winston sorry you mean all EU funding is created via tax payers money?

Sorry yeah makes sense

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't get your point Winston sorry you mean all EU funding is created via tax payers money?
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Yes - where else do you think it comes from?

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
Sorry yeah makes sense
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Sorry, just saw this

But my point is fair though EU money has done loads for all its member states but the man on the ground in the UK isn't informed like other nations are.

I just think it's sad that people were not aware of what they directly got from being in the EU and that is remain campaign's fault.

A no deal shouldn't be an option. Nobody voted for WTO tarries, a £40bn bill, roaming charges, expensive travel etc.

If people voted to leave knowing this was possible, they don't have the brain capacity to deserve a vote.

The reality the country didn't know what it was voting for, campaigns centred around racism, lies surrounding investment and trade deals.

The stay campaign was no better either.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 24 seconds ago
Devonshirespur (U6316)

You're looking for blame in the wrong place.

Blame lies with how the referendum was put together and the fact that 'leave' was not defined.

If Brexiteers can't agree what Brexit looks like, how do you expect MPs to?
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But that just puts this whole "how we leave debate" which no one has been able to answer, to the front of the whole process.


And how do you set out options to leave when you havent opened any negotiations with the EU.

IMO It is right that a yes or no question was asked first but the campaigns is where it failed on both sides, both engaging in negative, deceitful campaigns that failed to educated people on the true pros and cons.

"Reminds me of the Chancellor stating that up to 820,000 jobs would be lost on a Leave vote alone. Since then employment has risen and unemployment has fallen."

Both of those statements can be true though, there's a lot more zero hours contracts now than there was three years ago.

comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 46 seconds ago
But my point is fair though EU money has done loads for all its member states but the man on the ground in the UK isn't informed like other nations are.
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Yes, it's a fair point although the key part of that, imo, is not the money but how the decision is taken about how it is spent.

Does anyone think the Conservative Party would have invested those funds into the same sort of projects that the EU have? Not a chance.

I cannot believe that Labour didn't play on this point more at any point in the last 3 years.

Devonshirespur (U6316)

How can it be right?

There are potentially millions of people who have voted for something they can't have - sold a dream scenario that can't happen.

comment by (U21947)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by (U21947)
posted 1 minute ago
Amazing how people still support the Eu after von der leyen and langarde
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Amazing how people still support the Conservative party after Boris Johnson, Chris Grayling, IDS, JRM, John Redwood, Dominic Raab, Andrew Bridgen, Steve Barkley, David Davis, Priti Patel, Bernard Jenkin, Christopher Chope to name a few.

But that's democracy. They were all democratically elected.
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Who said I was conservative I don't even know who half those people are, so you're saying u support the Eu appoint corrupt people to powerful positions
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No, I'm saying sometimes people are elected that you maybe don't like. The EU is no different to any other political body in that regard.

We voted for steak pie. Fack the vegans.

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 11 seconds ago
"Reminds me of the Chancellor stating that up to 820,000 jobs would be lost on a Leave vote alone. Since then employment has risen and unemployment has fallen."

Both of those statements can be true though, there's a lot more zero hours contracts now than there was three years ago.
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zero contract hours have actually decreased since 2016 (source: ONS), quite significantly:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/414896/employees-with-zero-hours-contracts-number/

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 46 seconds ago
But my point is fair though EU money has done loads for all its member states but the man on the ground in the UK isn't informed like other nations are.
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Yes, it's a fair point although the key part of that, imo, is not the money but how the decision is taken about how it is spent.

Does anyone think the Conservative Party would have invested those funds into the same sort of projects that the EU have? Not a chance.

I cannot believe that Labour didn't play on this point more at any point in the last 3 years.
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Labour have been a complete mess on Brexit since the day the referendum was announced

comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 3 minutes ago
"Reminds me of the Chancellor stating that up to 820,000 jobs would be lost on a Leave vote alone. Since then employment has risen and unemployment has fallen."

Both of those statements can be true though, there's a lot more zero hours contracts now than there was three years ago.
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Zero hours contracts actually gone down since the referendum, the first time they've dropped in over a decade. Brexit

Leaves dying and falling away the further we get into September/October. Leaves going to make a come back in spring I imagine though.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 minute ago
I can guarantee that more than 50% of the 17.4 million had zero knowledge on what the EU have given them in their lifetime.

And its not their fault, the UK government never publicised it, here in Ireland we see signage everywhere on roads, buildings etc. that were built with EU funding.
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In fairness, 'EU funding' is disingenuous to say the least.

There's no EU funds except for those that the tax payers of member states have paid into.
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There is, although tax payers money makes up the bulk of it (well, government money that again would come from tax payers)

Ia also find it odd that leave are so against a second referemdum with no deal, deal or remain on the leaflets.

Like I hear over and over it's the will of the people so they should be confident the people will vote to leave with no deal.

I guess having no deal and deal will split the leave vote.

comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 3 minutes ago
"Reminds me of the Chancellor stating that up to 820,000 jobs would be lost on a Leave vote alone. Since then employment has risen and unemployment has fallen."

Both of those statements can be true though, there's a lot more zero hours contracts now than there was three years ago.
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Zero hours contracts actually gone down since the referendum, the first time they've dropped in over a decade. Brexit
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How does erecting trade barriers/nontariff barriers, and pitting yourself in direct competition against your largest and closest trade partners create/maintain UK labour markets?

Especially when your closest trade partners have devised, (and utilise) the most sophisticated and advanced trading regime in human history?