comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
I want that blustering facker wheeled off to the tower the second he returns to the country....Cameron was right
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That's not enough of a punishment
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
I voted to remain.
The Country voted to leave.
How can anyone who bleats on about democracy take the position, like the Lib Dems, that we will not leave.
If there is the need for further referendums, then surely it is on the basis of HOW we leave and not IF.
Seems like a lot of Remainers are total hypocrites, jumping on the undemocratic actions of the PM when they are promoting going against the democratic will of the Country.
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ADVISORY REFERENDUMS ARE NOT DEMOCRATIC
"Seems like a lot of Remainers are total hypocrites, jumping on the undemocratic actions of the PM when they are promoting going against the democratic will of the Country."
That has nothing to do with today though. You're equating a legal argument to a political one there. Your feelings on the latter should not influence your feelings on the former, although I agree it clearly has in a lot of peoples cases (on both sides).
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
I voted to remain.
The Country voted to leave.
How can anyone who bleats on about democracy take the position, like the Lib Dems, that we will not leave.
If there is the need for further referendums, then surely it is on the basis of HOW we leave and not IF.
Seems like a lot of Remainers are total hypocrites, jumping on the undemocratic actions of the PM when they are promoting going against the democratic will of the Country.
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You cant be that blind can you?
The vote to leave was campaigned by getting us a deal. That vote to leave became void when they decided to leave without a deal. How many of the 17.4mil or whatever cast a vote that day to leave expecting to leave without a deal?
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
I voted to remain.
The Country voted to leave.
How can anyone who bleats on about democracy take the position, like the Lib Dems, that we will not leave.
If there is the need for further referendums, then surely it is on the basis of HOW we leave and not IF.
Seems like a lot of Remainers are total hypocrites, jumping on the undemocratic actions of the PM when they are promoting going against the democratic will of the Country.
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Yes but black=black and white=white. It's simple maths.
Not everything is about leave or remain.
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 44 seconds ago
Not everything is about leave or remain.
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Exactly.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
I voted to remain.
The Country voted to leave.
How can anyone who bleats on about democracy take the position, like the Lib Dems, that we will not leave.
If there is the need for further referendums, then surely it is on the basis of HOW we leave and not IF.
Seems like a lot of Remainers are total hypocrites, jumping on the undemocratic actions of the PM when they are promoting going against the democratic will of the Country.
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I voted leave, the country voted leave.
We were lied too. Now i would vote remain, i suspect many many other would too.
Democracy isn't something stuck in time, it's a constant ever changing process.
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
Mancini is fuminghe might have to get off his backside and get a job now.
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If you love this country more than the EU, then you should be fuming at what is happening.
Failure to implement the result of a democratic vote will cause untold damage both now and in the future.
Far worse than the worst case of a no deal scenario.
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What if, and hear me out here, there was a second vote, and Leave lost, and are no longer the majority. What would you say then? Is that not democratic? What would make the previous leave vote more legitimate, especially as now the public are a lot more informed on what they are voting for.
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ole Ole Ole - The Interim One'' (U18599)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
I voted to remain.
The Country voted to leave.
How can anyone who bleats on about democracy take the position, like the Lib Dems, that we will not leave.
If there is the need for further referendums, then surely it is on the basis of HOW we leave and not IF.
Seems like a lot of Remainers are total hypocrites, jumping on the undemocratic actions of the PM when they are promoting going against the democratic will of the Country.
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You cant be that blind can you?
The vote to leave was campaigned by getting us a deal. That vote to leave became void when they decided to leave without a deal. How many of the 17.4mil or whatever cast a vote that day to leave expecting to leave without a deal?
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You are just making stuff up as you go along.
The people were given the decision on whether to leave or remain.
Based on that decision, parliament then set the terms of leaving - with or without a deal.
And yes, we would have got a good deal if not for the actions of Remainer MPs who have done everything in their power to frustrate us leaving.
You can't just turn around and claim the result void because we can't get a deal when you Remainers have been actively undermining the current PM from getting a good deal.
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
I voted to remain.
The Country voted to leave.
How can anyone who bleats on about democracy take the position, like the Lib Dems, that we will not leave.
If there is the need for further referendums, then surely it is on the basis of HOW we leave and not IF.
Seems like a lot of Remainers are total hypocrites, jumping on the undemocratic actions of the PM when they are promoting going against the democratic will of the Country.
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I voted leave, the country voted leave.
We were lied too. Now i would vote remain, i suspect many many other would too.
Democracy isn't something stuck in time, it's a constant ever changing process.
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What specific lies made you vore Leave?
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ole Ole Ole - The Interim One'' (U18599)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
I voted to remain.
The Country voted to leave.
How can anyone who bleats on about democracy take the position, like the Lib Dems, that we will not leave.
If there is the need for further referendums, then surely it is on the basis of HOW we leave and not IF.
Seems like a lot of Remainers are total hypocrites, jumping on the undemocratic actions of the PM when they are promoting going against the democratic will of the Country.
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You cant be that blind can you?
The vote to leave was campaigned by getting us a deal. That vote to leave became void when they decided to leave without a deal. How many of the 17.4mil or whatever cast a vote that day to leave expecting to leave without a deal?
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You are just making stuff up as you go along.
The people were given the decision on whether to leave or remain.
Based on that decision, parliament then set the terms of leaving - with or without a deal.
And yes, we would have got a good deal if not for the actions of Remainer MPs who have done everything in their power to frustrate us leaving.
You can't just turn around and claim the result void because we can't get a deal when you Remainers have been actively undermining the current PM from getting a good deal.
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FFS
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
I voted to remain.
The Country voted to leave.
How can anyone who bleats on about democracy take the position, like the Lib Dems, that we will not leave.
If there is the need for further referendums, then surely it is on the basis of HOW we leave and not IF.
Seems like a lot of Remainers are total hypocrites, jumping on the undemocratic actions of the PM when they are promoting going against the democratic will of the Country.
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I voted leave, the country voted leave.
We were lied too. Now i would vote remain, i suspect many many other would too.
Democracy isn't something stuck in time, it's a constant ever changing process.
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What specific lies made you vore Leave?
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350 into NHS? Or was that make believe?
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be climbed (U3867)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
Mancini is fuminghe might have to get off his backside and get a job now.
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If you love this country more than the EU, then you should be fuming at what is happening.
Failure to implement the result of a democratic vote will cause untold damage both now and in the future.
Far worse than the worst case of a no deal scenario.
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What if, and hear me out here, there was a second vote, and Leave lost, and are no longer the majority. What would you say then? Is that not democratic? What would make the previous leave vote more legitimate, especially as now the public are a lot more informed on what they are voting for.
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That's not how democracy works.
First, you implement the result of the first vote.
If people change their mind in another vote, then so be it.
And yes, we would have got a good deal if not for the actions of Remainer MPs who have done everything in their power to frustrate us leaving.
If the ERG didn’t constantly vote down the WA with Labour then we would’ve left. It’s the Tory leavers that have frustrated your beloved Brexit mate.
It is always interesting when you get a leave voter that can read and write (to a basic standard) and can join in these debates on forums, with normal people.
It's like if dogs could talk like humans. It would be cool for novelty value, but they would not be able to offer reasonable debate. Still fun though.
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
I voted to remain.
The Country voted to leave.
How can anyone who bleats on about democracy take the position, like the Lib Dems, that we will not leave.
If there is the need for further referendums, then surely it is on the basis of HOW we leave and not IF.
Seems like a lot of Remainers are total hypocrites, jumping on the undemocratic actions of the PM when they are promoting going against the democratic will of the Country.
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I voted leave, the country voted leave.
We were lied too. Now i would vote remain, i suspect many many other would too.
Democracy isn't something stuck in time, it's a constant ever changing process.
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What specific lies made you vore Leave?
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The NHS getting more money, more control over our borders, Turkey joining the EU, The EU Army etc etc
In reality it would shaft the NHS with staff levels already a massive issue, immigration will continue it would likely mean less European migrants and more from the RotW.
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comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be climbed (U3867)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
Mancini is fuminghe might have to get off his backside and get a job now.
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If you love this country more than the EU, then you should be fuming at what is happening.
Failure to implement the result of a democratic vote will cause untold damage both now and in the future.
Far worse than the worst case of a no deal scenario.
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What if, and hear me out here, there was a second vote, and Leave lost, and are no longer the majority. What would you say then? Is that not democratic? What would make the previous leave vote more legitimate, especially as now the public are a lot more informed on what they are voting for.
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That's not how democracy works.
First, you implement the result of the first vote.
If people change their mind in another vote, then so be it.
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According to you but according to us that is how it works. So now we are in the realm of opinion.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 15 minutes ago
I voted to remain.
The Country voted to leave.
How can anyone who bleats on about democracy take the position, like the Lib Dems, that we will not leave.
If there is the need for further referendums, then surely it is on the basis of HOW we leave and not IF.
Seems like a lot of Remainers are total hypocrites, jumping on the undemocratic actions of the PM when they are promoting going against the democratic will of the Country.
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They're setting out their stall as the remain party for the one inevitable general election that is to come in the next 3/4 months.
If a party who hasn't been in power for over 100 years wins the election on the back of pledging to remain the EU, then I'd say that's evidence the people have changed their mind and democracy in action.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 7 minutes ago
"Seems like a lot of Remainers are total hypocrites, jumping on the undemocratic actions of the PM when they are promoting going against the democratic will of the Country."
That has nothing to do with today though. You're equating a legal argument to a political one there. Your feelings on the latter should not influence your feelings on the former, although I agree it clearly has in a lot of peoples cases (on both sides).
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Whether the PM was found to have erred in law or not, the accusation of MPs and many others is that the PM was being anti-democratic in his actions. The recourse is only a legal one, driven by the view that his actions were undemocratic.
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ole Ole Ole - The Interim One'' (U18599)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
I voted to remain.
The Country voted to leave.
How can anyone who bleats on about democracy take the position, like the Lib Dems, that we will not leave.
If there is the need for further referendums, then surely it is on the basis of HOW we leave and not IF.
Seems like a lot of Remainers are total hypocrites, jumping on the undemocratic actions of the PM when they are promoting going against the democratic will of the Country.
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I voted leave, the country voted leave.
We were lied too. Now i would vote remain, i suspect many many other would too.
Democracy isn't something stuck in time, it's a constant ever changing process.
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What specific lies made you vore Leave?
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350 into NHS? Or was that make believe?
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Was that a lie or are you disputing the numbers?
Gross weekly contribution to the EU in 2016 was £376m.
And if you read that bus sign again, it clearly stated £350m "could" be spent on the NHS.
However, this is nothing compared to the numerous lies told by the Remain camp.
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comment by Finlay Robertson (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
It is always interesting when you get a leave voter that can read and write (to a basic standard) and can join in these debates on forums, with normal people.
It's like if dogs could talk like humans. It would be cool for novelty value, but they would not be able to offer reasonable debate. Still fun though.
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comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
And yes, we would have got a good deal if not for the actions of Remainer MPs who have done everything in their power to frustrate us leaving.
If the ERG didn’t constantly vote down the WA with Labour then we would’ve left. It’s the Tory leavers that have frustrated your beloved Brexit mate.
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The WA is not Brexit.
It kept us in the SM & CU. This is contrary to what was campaigned upon during the referendum where all major actors stated clearly that a vote to Leave is a vote to quit the SM & the CU.
Also, cutting off NI was clearly a line crossed that no patroit of any nation should sign.
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posted on 24/9/19
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
I want that blustering facker wheeled off to the tower the second he returns to the country....Cameron was right
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That's not enough of a punishment
posted on 24/9/19
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 minute ago
I voted to remain.
The Country voted to leave.
How can anyone who bleats on about democracy take the position, like the Lib Dems, that we will not leave.
If there is the need for further referendums, then surely it is on the basis of HOW we leave and not IF.
Seems like a lot of Remainers are total hypocrites, jumping on the undemocratic actions of the PM when they are promoting going against the democratic will of the Country.
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ADVISORY REFERENDUMS ARE NOT DEMOCRATIC
posted on 24/9/19
"Seems like a lot of Remainers are total hypocrites, jumping on the undemocratic actions of the PM when they are promoting going against the democratic will of the Country."
That has nothing to do with today though. You're equating a legal argument to a political one there. Your feelings on the latter should not influence your feelings on the former, although I agree it clearly has in a lot of peoples cases (on both sides).
posted on 24/9/19
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
I voted to remain.
The Country voted to leave.
How can anyone who bleats on about democracy take the position, like the Lib Dems, that we will not leave.
If there is the need for further referendums, then surely it is on the basis of HOW we leave and not IF.
Seems like a lot of Remainers are total hypocrites, jumping on the undemocratic actions of the PM when they are promoting going against the democratic will of the Country.
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You cant be that blind can you?
The vote to leave was campaigned by getting us a deal. That vote to leave became void when they decided to leave without a deal. How many of the 17.4mil or whatever cast a vote that day to leave expecting to leave without a deal?
posted on 24/9/19
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 minutes ago
I voted to remain.
The Country voted to leave.
How can anyone who bleats on about democracy take the position, like the Lib Dems, that we will not leave.
If there is the need for further referendums, then surely it is on the basis of HOW we leave and not IF.
Seems like a lot of Remainers are total hypocrites, jumping on the undemocratic actions of the PM when they are promoting going against the democratic will of the Country.
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Yes but black=black and white=white. It's simple maths.
posted on 24/9/19
Not everything is about leave or remain.
posted on 24/9/19
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 44 seconds ago
Not everything is about leave or remain.
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Exactly.
posted on 24/9/19
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
I voted to remain.
The Country voted to leave.
How can anyone who bleats on about democracy take the position, like the Lib Dems, that we will not leave.
If there is the need for further referendums, then surely it is on the basis of HOW we leave and not IF.
Seems like a lot of Remainers are total hypocrites, jumping on the undemocratic actions of the PM when they are promoting going against the democratic will of the Country.
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I voted leave, the country voted leave.
We were lied too. Now i would vote remain, i suspect many many other would too.
Democracy isn't something stuck in time, it's a constant ever changing process.
posted on 24/9/19
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
Mancini is fuminghe might have to get off his backside and get a job now.
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If you love this country more than the EU, then you should be fuming at what is happening.
Failure to implement the result of a democratic vote will cause untold damage both now and in the future.
Far worse than the worst case of a no deal scenario.
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What if, and hear me out here, there was a second vote, and Leave lost, and are no longer the majority. What would you say then? Is that not democratic? What would make the previous leave vote more legitimate, especially as now the public are a lot more informed on what they are voting for.
posted on 24/9/19
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ole Ole Ole - The Interim One'' (U18599)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
I voted to remain.
The Country voted to leave.
How can anyone who bleats on about democracy take the position, like the Lib Dems, that we will not leave.
If there is the need for further referendums, then surely it is on the basis of HOW we leave and not IF.
Seems like a lot of Remainers are total hypocrites, jumping on the undemocratic actions of the PM when they are promoting going against the democratic will of the Country.
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You cant be that blind can you?
The vote to leave was campaigned by getting us a deal. That vote to leave became void when they decided to leave without a deal. How many of the 17.4mil or whatever cast a vote that day to leave expecting to leave without a deal?
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You are just making stuff up as you go along.
The people were given the decision on whether to leave or remain.
Based on that decision, parliament then set the terms of leaving - with or without a deal.
And yes, we would have got a good deal if not for the actions of Remainer MPs who have done everything in their power to frustrate us leaving.
You can't just turn around and claim the result void because we can't get a deal when you Remainers have been actively undermining the current PM from getting a good deal.
posted on 24/9/19
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
I voted to remain.
The Country voted to leave.
How can anyone who bleats on about democracy take the position, like the Lib Dems, that we will not leave.
If there is the need for further referendums, then surely it is on the basis of HOW we leave and not IF.
Seems like a lot of Remainers are total hypocrites, jumping on the undemocratic actions of the PM when they are promoting going against the democratic will of the Country.
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I voted leave, the country voted leave.
We were lied too. Now i would vote remain, i suspect many many other would too.
Democracy isn't something stuck in time, it's a constant ever changing process.
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What specific lies made you vore Leave?
posted on 24/9/19
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ole Ole Ole - The Interim One'' (U18599)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
I voted to remain.
The Country voted to leave.
How can anyone who bleats on about democracy take the position, like the Lib Dems, that we will not leave.
If there is the need for further referendums, then surely it is on the basis of HOW we leave and not IF.
Seems like a lot of Remainers are total hypocrites, jumping on the undemocratic actions of the PM when they are promoting going against the democratic will of the Country.
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You cant be that blind can you?
The vote to leave was campaigned by getting us a deal. That vote to leave became void when they decided to leave without a deal. How many of the 17.4mil or whatever cast a vote that day to leave expecting to leave without a deal?
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You are just making stuff up as you go along.
The people were given the decision on whether to leave or remain.
Based on that decision, parliament then set the terms of leaving - with or without a deal.
And yes, we would have got a good deal if not for the actions of Remainer MPs who have done everything in their power to frustrate us leaving.
You can't just turn around and claim the result void because we can't get a deal when you Remainers have been actively undermining the current PM from getting a good deal.
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FFS
posted on 24/9/19
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
I voted to remain.
The Country voted to leave.
How can anyone who bleats on about democracy take the position, like the Lib Dems, that we will not leave.
If there is the need for further referendums, then surely it is on the basis of HOW we leave and not IF.
Seems like a lot of Remainers are total hypocrites, jumping on the undemocratic actions of the PM when they are promoting going against the democratic will of the Country.
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I voted leave, the country voted leave.
We were lied too. Now i would vote remain, i suspect many many other would too.
Democracy isn't something stuck in time, it's a constant ever changing process.
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What specific lies made you vore Leave?
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350 into NHS? Or was that make believe?
posted on 24/9/19
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be climbed (U3867)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
Mancini is fuminghe might have to get off his backside and get a job now.
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If you love this country more than the EU, then you should be fuming at what is happening.
Failure to implement the result of a democratic vote will cause untold damage both now and in the future.
Far worse than the worst case of a no deal scenario.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What if, and hear me out here, there was a second vote, and Leave lost, and are no longer the majority. What would you say then? Is that not democratic? What would make the previous leave vote more legitimate, especially as now the public are a lot more informed on what they are voting for.
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That's not how democracy works.
First, you implement the result of the first vote.
If people change their mind in another vote, then so be it.
posted on 24/9/19
And yes, we would have got a good deal if not for the actions of Remainer MPs who have done everything in their power to frustrate us leaving.
If the ERG didn’t constantly vote down the WA with Labour then we would’ve left. It’s the Tory leavers that have frustrated your beloved Brexit mate.
posted on 24/9/19
It is always interesting when you get a leave voter that can read and write (to a basic standard) and can join in these debates on forums, with normal people.
It's like if dogs could talk like humans. It would be cool for novelty value, but they would not be able to offer reasonable debate. Still fun though.
posted on 24/9/19
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
I voted to remain.
The Country voted to leave.
How can anyone who bleats on about democracy take the position, like the Lib Dems, that we will not leave.
If there is the need for further referendums, then surely it is on the basis of HOW we leave and not IF.
Seems like a lot of Remainers are total hypocrites, jumping on the undemocratic actions of the PM when they are promoting going against the democratic will of the Country.
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I voted leave, the country voted leave.
We were lied too. Now i would vote remain, i suspect many many other would too.
Democracy isn't something stuck in time, it's a constant ever changing process.
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What specific lies made you vore Leave?
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The NHS getting more money, more control over our borders, Turkey joining the EU, The EU Army etc etc
In reality it would shaft the NHS with staff levels already a massive issue, immigration will continue it would likely mean less European migrants and more from the RotW.
posted on 24/9/19
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 24/9/19
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Mumbai Martial - Mountains are there to be climbed (U3867)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
Mancini is fuminghe might have to get off his backside and get a job now.
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If you love this country more than the EU, then you should be fuming at what is happening.
Failure to implement the result of a democratic vote will cause untold damage both now and in the future.
Far worse than the worst case of a no deal scenario.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What if, and hear me out here, there was a second vote, and Leave lost, and are no longer the majority. What would you say then? Is that not democratic? What would make the previous leave vote more legitimate, especially as now the public are a lot more informed on what they are voting for.
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That's not how democracy works.
First, you implement the result of the first vote.
If people change their mind in another vote, then so be it.
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According to you but according to us that is how it works. So now we are in the realm of opinion.
posted on 24/9/19
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 15 minutes ago
I voted to remain.
The Country voted to leave.
How can anyone who bleats on about democracy take the position, like the Lib Dems, that we will not leave.
If there is the need for further referendums, then surely it is on the basis of HOW we leave and not IF.
Seems like a lot of Remainers are total hypocrites, jumping on the undemocratic actions of the PM when they are promoting going against the democratic will of the Country.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They're setting out their stall as the remain party for the one inevitable general election that is to come in the next 3/4 months.
If a party who hasn't been in power for over 100 years wins the election on the back of pledging to remain the EU, then I'd say that's evidence the people have changed their mind and democracy in action.
posted on 24/9/19
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 7 minutes ago
"Seems like a lot of Remainers are total hypocrites, jumping on the undemocratic actions of the PM when they are promoting going against the democratic will of the Country."
That has nothing to do with today though. You're equating a legal argument to a political one there. Your feelings on the latter should not influence your feelings on the former, although I agree it clearly has in a lot of peoples cases (on both sides).
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Whether the PM was found to have erred in law or not, the accusation of MPs and many others is that the PM was being anti-democratic in his actions. The recourse is only a legal one, driven by the view that his actions were undemocratic.
posted on 24/9/19
comment by Clever - son son son - 'Ole Ole Ole - The Interim One'' (U18599)
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comment by mancini (U7179)
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comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 4 minutes ago
I voted to remain.
The Country voted to leave.
How can anyone who bleats on about democracy take the position, like the Lib Dems, that we will not leave.
If there is the need for further referendums, then surely it is on the basis of HOW we leave and not IF.
Seems like a lot of Remainers are total hypocrites, jumping on the undemocratic actions of the PM when they are promoting going against the democratic will of the Country.
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I voted leave, the country voted leave.
We were lied too. Now i would vote remain, i suspect many many other would too.
Democracy isn't something stuck in time, it's a constant ever changing process.
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What specific lies made you vore Leave?
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350 into NHS? Or was that make believe?
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Was that a lie or are you disputing the numbers?
Gross weekly contribution to the EU in 2016 was £376m.
And if you read that bus sign again, it clearly stated £350m "could" be spent on the NHS.
However, this is nothing compared to the numerous lies told by the Remain camp.
posted on 24/9/19
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posted on 24/9/19
comment by Finlay Robertson (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
It is always interesting when you get a leave voter that can read and write (to a basic standard) and can join in these debates on forums, with normal people.
It's like if dogs could talk like humans. It would be cool for novelty value, but they would not be able to offer reasonable debate. Still fun though.
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posted on 24/9/19
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 3 minutes ago
And yes, we would have got a good deal if not for the actions of Remainer MPs who have done everything in their power to frustrate us leaving.
If the ERG didn’t constantly vote down the WA with Labour then we would’ve left. It’s the Tory leavers that have frustrated your beloved Brexit mate.
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The WA is not Brexit.
It kept us in the SM & CU. This is contrary to what was campaigned upon during the referendum where all major actors stated clearly that a vote to Leave is a vote to quit the SM & the CU.
Also, cutting off NI was clearly a line crossed that no patroit of any nation should sign.
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