I stand 100% behind your article, Sandy.
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Footballers are in the low risk category .They should listen to David Spielgelhalter, who is a big Spurs fan btw, and not Sergio Aguero.
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Neither are Healthcare Professionals.
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What is your point ?
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What is the point of your comparison?
Aguero just said a lot of players were nervous about playing in the current climate, he wasn't offering any advice.
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The difference is David understands risk and Sergio doesn't . One has spent his adult life studying it and the other like the rest of us works on emotional guesswork that is just human nature. Right now we need to listen to people who understand it.
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No one understands it. That's the point. Even the experts and scientists are still learning about it.
You can't just pick one person and decide he is right, just because it supports your opinion.
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Just playing devils advocate: When your face an existential threat you take desperate measures. It's not just this season, maybe for the foreseeable future there will be very limited amounts of people going to games (either by law or by choice).
And lets face it, in an ideal world no one should be forced to risk their lives for making a living. But are footballers above occupations like doctors, nurses, supermarket staff, garbage collectors who are basically doing that out of goodwill and a sense of plight?
Unfortunately, football unlike banking is not too big to fail. If they cannot solve the problems on their own (which seems to be the case, seeing the huge TV contracts in Spain, UK, GER), don't expect it to be easy or even possible without public outrage to get a bailout from the government when other industries are also massively suffering and will take the hit on their chins.
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
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Footballers are in the low risk category .They should listen to David Spielgelhalter, who is a big Spurs fan btw, and not Sergio Aguero.
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Neither are Healthcare Professionals.
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What is your point ?
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What is the point of your comparison?
Aguero just said a lot of players were nervous about playing in the current climate, he wasn't offering any advice.
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The difference is David understands risk and Sergio doesn't . One has spent his adult life studying it and the other like the rest of us works on emotional guesswork that is just human nature. Right now we need to listen to people who understand it.
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No one understands it. That's the point. Even the experts and scientists are still learning about it.
You can't just pick one person and decide he is right, just because it supports your opinion.
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He qualifies a lot of what he says but he does say things that the data supports. Do you think he is right or wrong on the things he has actually said ?
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I've no idea.
That aside personally I'm on the players side who don't want to play because it's nonsense healthwise (risking your life for providing entertainment). Some might even choose not to play or even train and thats their right as a human being.
But what most likely will happen is that clubs will take that as work refusal and have legal basis to cancel contracts and some basterd clubs will even sue for dmg (ala Mutu and his cocaine antics). Older players with low remaining transfer value and relatively high salary will especially be discriminated against and have a harder time finding new employers. If judges disallow these practices, then alot of clubs will default and players will also have a hard time. So its a lose lose situation for everyone...
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That aside personally I'm on the players side who don't want to play because it's nonsense healthwise (risking your life for providing entertainment). Some might even choose not to play or even train and thats their right as a human being.
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By the same token they should have the right to receive a blank pay cheque, and I'm just staging that as a fact, not because I disagree with you in principle.
Its the same for all workers and employees, not just footballers.
If the government gives the green light then workers who refuse to show up will have little legal recourse if action is taken.
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That aside personally I'm on the players side who don't want to play because it's nonsense healthwise (risking your life for providing entertainment). Some might even choose not to play or even train and thats their right as a human being.
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By the same token they should have the right to receive a blank pay cheque, and I'm just staging that as a fact, not because I disagree with you in principle.
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Yeah, and I believe some sensible footballers will even agree with no pay during those months when they are not playing. But others will also point at their basis rights as a employee (just like we ordinary folk expect our salaries even when there's no work to do).
That why some governments are giving the green light. They don't want to burn their hands at the dilemma and are telling certain industries to basically sort it out themselves.
Yeah. Ultimately if you can't do the job that sustains your employer, how do you expect to get paid?
Football cannot resume without players on board and some want to wait until there is a vaccine, which is their right but clubs will have some rights too.
Many of my mates in the building industry went back to work last week.
Not because they thought it was safe but because they hadn't been paid for 5 weeks and weren't likely to get any Government help until mid June.
Footballers are still being paid at the moment, they're not personally under any pressure to go back because of financial reasons.
People have no idea how bad a product behind closed doors and in neutral venues will be, it will be truly an awful watch, and all just to appease the money men and a handful of clubs.
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I think most people have experience of watching a football match behind closed doors and can come to their own opinion on whether it’s a product they want to consume. Most people would watch.
https://www.ladbible.com/news/news-dorset-knob-eating-contest-taking-place-online-amid-lockdown-20200510?source=facebook
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People have no idea how bad a product behind closed doors and in neutral venues will be, it will be truly an awful watch, and all just to appease the money men and a handful of clubs.
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I think most people have experience of watching a football match behind closed doors and can come to their own opinion on whether it’s a product they want to consume. Most people would watch.
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Of course. People even watch youth and reserve games too which are often similar to indoor games.
The first game in the South Korean league was watched by millions of international and local fans who would ordinarily not watch it.
...and it was a boring shyttefest.
Korean league is famous for boring games and still millions tuned in.
I tuned in out of interest and I lost that interest after less than 10 minutes.
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A bit worrying:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52604676
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Germany deserves everything it gets now, for being so stupid, and think they could buck the trend, and start football this quick. It is so obviously about money. Merkel has made one big mistake, and she will regret it.
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I tuned in out of interest and I lost that interest after less than 10 minutes.
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But tune in you did and contributed to the figure of millions
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I tuned in out of interest and I lost that interest after less than 10 minutes.
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But tune in you did and contributed to the figure of millions
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I tuned into First Dates the other night and it was 2 geezers.
Yes, I tuned in.
No, I didn't change my sexuality and download Grindr.
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I stand 100% behind your article, Sandy.
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 50 minutes ago
Footballers are in the low risk category .They should listen to David Spielgelhalter, who is a big Spurs fan btw, and not Sergio Aguero.
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Neither are Healthcare Professionals.
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What is your point ?
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What is the point of your comparison?
Aguero just said a lot of players were nervous about playing in the current climate, he wasn't offering any advice.
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The difference is David understands risk and Sergio doesn't . One has spent his adult life studying it and the other like the rest of us works on emotional guesswork that is just human nature. Right now we need to listen to people who understand it.
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No one understands it. That's the point. Even the experts and scientists are still learning about it.
You can't just pick one person and decide he is right, just because it supports your opinion.
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Just playing devils advocate: When your face an existential threat you take desperate measures. It's not just this season, maybe for the foreseeable future there will be very limited amounts of people going to games (either by law or by choice).
And lets face it, in an ideal world no one should be forced to risk their lives for making a living. But are footballers above occupations like doctors, nurses, supermarket staff, garbage collectors who are basically doing that out of goodwill and a sense of plight?
Unfortunately, football unlike banking is not too big to fail. If they cannot solve the problems on their own (which seems to be the case, seeing the huge TV contracts in Spain, UK, GER), don't expect it to be easy or even possible without public outrage to get a bailout from the government when other industries are also massively suffering and will take the hit on their chins.
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comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 50 minutes ago
Footballers are in the low risk category .They should listen to David Spielgelhalter, who is a big Spurs fan btw, and not Sergio Aguero.
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Neither are Healthcare Professionals.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What is your point ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What is the point of your comparison?
Aguero just said a lot of players were nervous about playing in the current climate, he wasn't offering any advice.
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The difference is David understands risk and Sergio doesn't . One has spent his adult life studying it and the other like the rest of us works on emotional guesswork that is just human nature. Right now we need to listen to people who understand it.
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No one understands it. That's the point. Even the experts and scientists are still learning about it.
You can't just pick one person and decide he is right, just because it supports your opinion.
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He qualifies a lot of what he says but he does say things that the data supports. Do you think he is right or wrong on the things he has actually said ?
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I've no idea.
posted on 10/5/20
That aside personally I'm on the players side who don't want to play because it's nonsense healthwise (risking your life for providing entertainment). Some might even choose not to play or even train and thats their right as a human being.
But what most likely will happen is that clubs will take that as work refusal and have legal basis to cancel contracts and some basterd clubs will even sue for dmg (ala Mutu and his cocaine antics). Older players with low remaining transfer value and relatively high salary will especially be discriminated against and have a harder time finding new employers. If judges disallow these practices, then alot of clubs will default and players will also have a hard time. So its a lose lose situation for everyone...
posted on 10/5/20
comment by Lerradinho (U21557)
posted 3 minutes ago
That aside personally I'm on the players side who don't want to play because it's nonsense healthwise (risking your life for providing entertainment). Some might even choose not to play or even train and thats their right as a human being.
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By the same token they should have the right to receive a blank pay cheque, and I'm just staging that as a fact, not because I disagree with you in principle.
posted on 10/5/20
Its the same for all workers and employees, not just footballers.
If the government gives the green light then workers who refuse to show up will have little legal recourse if action is taken.
posted on 10/5/20
comment by Shijiu (U22385)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Lerradinho (U21557)
posted 3 minutes ago
That aside personally I'm on the players side who don't want to play because it's nonsense healthwise (risking your life for providing entertainment). Some might even choose not to play or even train and thats their right as a human being.
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By the same token they should have the right to receive a blank pay cheque, and I'm just staging that as a fact, not because I disagree with you in principle.
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Yeah, and I believe some sensible footballers will even agree with no pay during those months when they are not playing. But others will also point at their basis rights as a employee (just like we ordinary folk expect our salaries even when there's no work to do).
That why some governments are giving the green light. They don't want to burn their hands at the dilemma and are telling certain industries to basically sort it out themselves.
posted on 10/5/20
Yeah. Ultimately if you can't do the job that sustains your employer, how do you expect to get paid?
Football cannot resume without players on board and some want to wait until there is a vaccine, which is their right but clubs will have some rights too.
posted on 10/5/20
Many of my mates in the building industry went back to work last week.
Not because they thought it was safe but because they hadn't been paid for 5 weeks and weren't likely to get any Government help until mid June.
Footballers are still being paid at the moment, they're not personally under any pressure to go back because of financial reasons.
posted on 10/5/20
People have no idea how bad a product behind closed doors and in neutral venues will be, it will be truly an awful watch, and all just to appease the money men and a handful of clubs.
———————
I think most people have experience of watching a football match behind closed doors and can come to their own opinion on whether it’s a product they want to consume. Most people would watch.
posted on 10/5/20
https://www.ladbible.com/news/news-dorset-knob-eating-contest-taking-place-online-amid-lockdown-20200510?source=facebook
posted on 10/5/20
comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 5 minutes ago
People have no idea how bad a product behind closed doors and in neutral venues will be, it will be truly an awful watch, and all just to appease the money men and a handful of clubs.
———————
I think most people have experience of watching a football match behind closed doors and can come to their own opinion on whether it’s a product they want to consume. Most people would watch.
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Of course. People even watch youth and reserve games too which are often similar to indoor games.
posted on 10/5/20
The first game in the South Korean league was watched by millions of international and local fans who would ordinarily not watch it.
posted on 10/5/20
...and it was a boring shyttefest.
posted on 10/5/20
Korean league is famous for boring games and still millions tuned in.
posted on 10/5/20
I tuned in out of interest and I lost that interest after less than 10 minutes.
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
A bit worrying:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52604676
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Germany deserves everything it gets now, for being so stupid, and think they could buck the trend, and start football this quick. It is so obviously about money. Merkel has made one big mistake, and she will regret it.
posted on 10/5/20
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 hours, 30 minutes ago
I tuned in out of interest and I lost that interest after less than 10 minutes.
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But tune in you did and contributed to the figure of millions
posted on 10/5/20
comment by Shijiu (U22385)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 hours, 30 minutes ago
I tuned in out of interest and I lost that interest after less than 10 minutes.
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But tune in you did and contributed to the figure of millions
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I tuned into First Dates the other night and it was 2 geezers.
Yes, I tuned in.
No, I didn't change my sexuality and download Grindr.
posted on 10/5/20
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