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There are some right nobheads around these days, how hard is it to stay silent for a minute.
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Just because something is easy to do, doesn’t mean one should do it. A rather odd strawman tbh. No one on this thread has made any comment about it being difficult to remain silent for a minute, that is patently absurd. What has been discussed is the compelled or forced silence at a football match, or indeed multiple football matches.
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If I said to these attention seeking feckwits that I’d give them £10 to be silent for a minute then every one of them would do it.
This absolute nonsense you keep repeating about ‘enforced silence’ is just you excusing those that have no common decency. Because that’s all that is being asked of people.
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You might not like the term enforced silence. But that is what it is. I wish you could have the common decency to not want to compel people into silence at a football match.
If you gave £10 to everyone who didn’t stand to compelled silence that would be very generous of you.
Common decency I might expect to see manifest at someone’s funeral. For example were someone to burst into the funeral and start booing, I’d condemn it in the interests of common decency. But we’re talking about fans at a football game here, many of whom will have bought tickets prior to any enforced silences being announced. I appreciate some stadiums are quieter than others, but football matches are meant to be boisterous, fun, exciting occasions, are they not? The forced silences doesn’t sit comfortably with that.
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Do us all a favour and ship off to Ukraine. You spent more than 60 seconds here arguing a puerile point.
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Nah, quite happy living where I am actually
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Well maybe we should force people like you to ship off then.
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Who is we? And who is “people like you”?
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The non idiots, and the idiots.
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With you the arbiter of who sits in each camp one must presume.
And let’s just be clear; your definition of who is an “idiot” is “someone who doesn’t think minute silences for contentious political figures who have no direct connect with the football clubs in question have a place at football matches”.
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Nobody is actually forcing you to go to a football match. You pay an overpriced ticket to watch someone who makes a ridiculous amount of money to kick a ball about.
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In the premier league perhaps. But there’s a whole world of football outside the premier league.
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Nobody is forcing you go there to get your entertainment.
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But indeed one enters a contract or an agreement to go to a game and watch the football. Not to stand in enforced silence.
If people want to have their silences, have them, just don’t expect or force others to join you in it. Or have a minutes applause, an activity much more in keeping with attending football matches.
bmcl1987
If there was a silence before a football match for say, the Hillsborough victims, or say, for victims of the Ukrainian war, would you have an issue if people refused to respect it ?
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There are some right nobheads around these days, how hard is it to stay silent for a minute.
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Just because something is easy to do, doesn’t mean one should do it. A rather odd strawman tbh. No one on this thread has made any comment about it being difficult to remain silent for a minute, that is patently absurd. What has been discussed is the compelled or forced silence at a football match, or indeed multiple football matches.
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If I said to these attention seeking feckwits that I’d give them £10 to be silent for a minute then every one of them would do it.
This absolute nonsense you keep repeating about ‘enforced silence’ is just you excusing those that have no common decency. Because that’s all that is being asked of people.
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You might not like the term enforced silence. But that is what it is. I wish you could have the common decency to not want to compel people into silence at a football match.
If you gave £10 to everyone who didn’t stand to compelled silence that would be very generous of you.
Common decency I might expect to see manifest at someone’s funeral. For example were someone to burst into the funeral and start booing, I’d condemn it in the interests of common decency. But we’re talking about fans at a football game here, many of whom will have bought tickets prior to any enforced silences being announced. I appreciate some stadiums are quieter than others, but football matches are meant to be boisterous, fun, exciting occasions, are they not? The forced silences doesn’t sit comfortably with that.
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Do us all a favour and ship off to Ukraine. You spent more than 60 seconds here arguing a puerile point.
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Nah, quite happy living where I am actually
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Well maybe we should force people like you to ship off then.
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Who is we? And who is “people like you”?
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The non idiots, and the idiots.
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With you the arbiter of who sits in each camp one must presume.
And let’s just be clear; your definition of who is an “idiot” is “someone who doesn’t think minute silences for contentious political figures who have no direct connect with the football clubs in question have a place at football matches”.
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Nobody is actually forcing you to go to a football match. You pay an overpriced ticket to watch someone who makes a ridiculous amount of money to kick a ball about.
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In the premier league perhaps. But there’s a whole world of football outside the premier league.
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Nobody is forcing you go there to get your entertainment.
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But indeed one enters a contract or an agreement to go to a game and watch the football. Not to stand in enforced silence.
If people want to have their silences, have them, just don’t expect or force others to join you in it. Or have a minutes applause, an activity much more in keeping with attending football matches.
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Incorrect, one enters a contract to go to a football match. This involves abiding by the rules of attendance, you can't jump over the gates, and you have to do a minutes silence when requested.
If you don't like it don't go, instead of creating these strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will.
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posted 18 seconds ago
bmcl1987
If there was a silence before a football match for say, the Hillsborough victims, or say, for victims of the Ukrainian war, would you have an issue if people refused to respect it ?
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A direct and relevant question. Excellent. So to start with transparency of bosses. I am not a Liverpool fan, I am a supporter of the Ukrainian opposition to the invasion by Russia.
So, wrt Hillsborough. I think a minute silence for Liverpool fans at a Liverpool football match for Liverpool fans who were killed while attending a Liverpool football match is not particularly unreasonable. I’d prefer a minute applause, but I recognise the immediate relationship Liverpool fans have with Liverpool fans.
Similarly Rangers fans having a minute silence for the victims of the Ibrox stadium disaster, I can well understand and I have taken part in myself.
On Ukraine, although I am a supporter of that “side” of the conflict, I would feel uncomfortable about a minutes silence for those impacted by the war in Ukraine. Have a memorial service, sponsor refugees, all that good stuff, but bringing it into football doesn’t sit well with me.
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comment by Neo (U9135)
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There are some right nobheads around these days, how hard is it to stay silent for a minute.
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Just because something is easy to do, doesn’t mean one should do it. A rather odd strawman tbh. No one on this thread has made any comment about it being difficult to remain silent for a minute, that is patently absurd. What has been discussed is the compelled or forced silence at a football match, or indeed multiple football matches.
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If I said to these attention seeking feckwits that I’d give them £10 to be silent for a minute then every one of them would do it.
This absolute nonsense you keep repeating about ‘enforced silence’ is just you excusing those that have no common decency. Because that’s all that is being asked of people.
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You might not like the term enforced silence. But that is what it is. I wish you could have the common decency to not want to compel people into silence at a football match.
If you gave £10 to everyone who didn’t stand to compelled silence that would be very generous of you.
Common decency I might expect to see manifest at someone’s funeral. For example were someone to burst into the funeral and start booing, I’d condemn it in the interests of common decency. But we’re talking about fans at a football game here, many of whom will have bought tickets prior to any enforced silences being announced. I appreciate some stadiums are quieter than others, but football matches are meant to be boisterous, fun, exciting occasions, are they not? The forced silences doesn’t sit comfortably with that.
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Do us all a favour and ship off to Ukraine. You spent more than 60 seconds here arguing a puerile point.
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Nah, quite happy living where I am actually
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Well maybe we should force people like you to ship off then.
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Who is we? And who is “people like you”?
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The non idiots, and the idiots.
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With you the arbiter of who sits in each camp one must presume.
And let’s just be clear; your definition of who is an “idiot” is “someone who doesn’t think minute silences for contentious political figures who have no direct connect with the football clubs in question have a place at football matches”.
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Nobody is actually forcing you to go to a football match. You pay an overpriced ticket to watch someone who makes a ridiculous amount of money to kick a ball about.
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In the premier league perhaps. But there’s a whole world of football outside the premier league.
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Nobody is forcing you go there to get your entertainment.
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But indeed one enters a contract or an agreement to go to a game and watch the football. Not to stand in enforced silence.
If people want to have their silences, have them, just don’t expect or force others to join you in it. Or have a minutes applause, an activity much more in keeping with attending football matches.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Incorrect, one enters a contract to go to a football match. This involves abiding by the rules of attendance, you can't jump over the gates, and you have to do a minutes silence when requested.
If you don't like it don't go, instead of creating these strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will.
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you have to do a minute silence when requested”
And
“Creating strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will”
You can see how these two point contradict can’t you? Football clubs compelling supporters into silence for a controversial political figure not connected to said club is weird. Would you have wanted a minute silence when thatcher died? Force all those fans, many likely sons and daughters of miners, steelworkers or shipbuilders, to stand in commemorative silence for thatcher?
What if a crazy right wing pro-Russia fascist took over your club? And on the death of Putin wanted a minute silence tor them? Would you want to stand in respectful silence for Putin?
I’ve been clear that it isn’t about the “cause” you’re standing for, it is about the appropriateness of such activities at a football match.
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comment by Neo (U9135)
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There are some right nobheads around these days, how hard is it to stay silent for a minute.
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Just because something is easy to do, doesn’t mean one should do it. A rather odd strawman tbh. No one on this thread has made any comment about it being difficult to remain silent for a minute, that is patently absurd. What has been discussed is the compelled or forced silence at a football match, or indeed multiple football matches.
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If I said to these attention seeking feckwits that I’d give them £10 to be silent for a minute then every one of them would do it.
This absolute nonsense you keep repeating about ‘enforced silence’ is just you excusing those that have no common decency. Because that’s all that is being asked of people.
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You might not like the term enforced silence. But that is what it is. I wish you could have the common decency to not want to compel people into silence at a football match.
If you gave £10 to everyone who didn’t stand to compelled silence that would be very generous of you.
Common decency I might expect to see manifest at someone’s funeral. For example were someone to burst into the funeral and start booing, I’d condemn it in the interests of common decency. But we’re talking about fans at a football game here, many of whom will have bought tickets prior to any enforced silences being announced. I appreciate some stadiums are quieter than others, but football matches are meant to be boisterous, fun, exciting occasions, are they not? The forced silences doesn’t sit comfortably with that.
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Do us all a favour and ship off to Ukraine. You spent more than 60 seconds here arguing a puerile point.
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Nah, quite happy living where I am actually
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Well maybe we should force people like you to ship off then.
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Who is we? And who is “people like you”?
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The non idiots, and the idiots.
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With you the arbiter of who sits in each camp one must presume.
And let’s just be clear; your definition of who is an “idiot” is “someone who doesn’t think minute silences for contentious political figures who have no direct connect with the football clubs in question have a place at football matches”.
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Nobody is actually forcing you to go to a football match. You pay an overpriced ticket to watch someone who makes a ridiculous amount of money to kick a ball about.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In the premier league perhaps. But there’s a whole world of football outside the premier league.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nobody is forcing you go there to get your entertainment.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But indeed one enters a contract or an agreement to go to a game and watch the football. Not to stand in enforced silence.
If people want to have their silences, have them, just don’t expect or force others to join you in it. Or have a minutes applause, an activity much more in keeping with attending football matches.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Incorrect, one enters a contract to go to a football match. This involves abiding by the rules of attendance, you can't jump over the gates, and you have to do a minutes silence when requested.
If you don't like it don't go, instead of creating these strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will.
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you have to do a minute silence when requested”
And
“Creating strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will”
You can see how these two point contradict can’t you? Football clubs compelling supporters into silence for a controversial political figure not connected to said club is weird. Would you have wanted a minute silence when thatcher died? Force all those fans, many likely sons and daughters of miners, steelworkers or shipbuilders, to stand in commemorative silence for thatcher?
What if a crazy right wing pro-Russia fascist took over your club? And on the death of Putin wanted a minute silence tor them? Would you want to stand in respectful silence for Putin?
I’ve been clear that it isn’t about the “cause” you’re standing for, it is about the appropriateness of such activities at a football match.
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No I don't.
Nobody is forcing you to go to a football match.
You don't like doing a minutes silence. So much so you think you are pretending like a 5 year old child that you are being 'forced' to do it.
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comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 18 seconds ago
bmcl1987
If there was a silence before a football match for say, the Hillsborough victims, or say, for victims of the Ukrainian war, would you have an issue if people refused to respect it ?
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A direct and relevant question. Excellent. So to start with transparency of bosses. I am not a Liverpool fan, I am a supporter of the Ukrainian opposition to the invasion by Russia.
So, wrt Hillsborough. I think a minute silence for Liverpool fans at a Liverpool football match for Liverpool fans who were killed while attending a Liverpool football match is not particularly unreasonable. I’d prefer a minute applause, but I recognise the immediate relationship Liverpool fans have with Liverpool fans.
Similarly Rangers fans having a minute silence for the victims of the Ibrox stadium disaster, I can well understand and I have taken part in myself.
On Ukraine, although I am a supporter of that “side” of the conflict, I would feel uncomfortable about a minutes silence for those impacted by the war in Ukraine. Have a memorial service, sponsor refugees, all that good stuff, but bringing it into football doesn’t sit well with me.
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Regarding Hillsborough, I was referring more to opposition fans. If Liverpool were playing United, would you take issue with United fans jeering and mocking it instead of maintaining silence?
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comment by Neo (U9135)
posted 23 seconds ago
There are some right nobheads around these days, how hard is it to stay silent for a minute.
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Just because something is easy to do, doesn’t mean one should do it. A rather odd strawman tbh. No one on this thread has made any comment about it being difficult to remain silent for a minute, that is patently absurd. What has been discussed is the compelled or forced silence at a football match, or indeed multiple football matches.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If I said to these attention seeking feckwits that I’d give them £10 to be silent for a minute then every one of them would do it.
This absolute nonsense you keep repeating about ‘enforced silence’ is just you excusing those that have no common decency. Because that’s all that is being asked of people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You might not like the term enforced silence. But that is what it is. I wish you could have the common decency to not want to compel people into silence at a football match.
If you gave £10 to everyone who didn’t stand to compelled silence that would be very generous of you.
Common decency I might expect to see manifest at someone’s funeral. For example were someone to burst into the funeral and start booing, I’d condemn it in the interests of common decency. But we’re talking about fans at a football game here, many of whom will have bought tickets prior to any enforced silences being announced. I appreciate some stadiums are quieter than others, but football matches are meant to be boisterous, fun, exciting occasions, are they not? The forced silences doesn’t sit comfortably with that.
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Do us all a favour and ship off to Ukraine. You spent more than 60 seconds here arguing a puerile point.
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Nah, quite happy living where I am actually
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Well maybe we should force people like you to ship off then.
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Who is we? And who is “people like you”?
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The non idiots, and the idiots.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
With you the arbiter of who sits in each camp one must presume.
And let’s just be clear; your definition of who is an “idiot” is “someone who doesn’t think minute silences for contentious political figures who have no direct connect with the football clubs in question have a place at football matches”.
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Nobody is actually forcing you to go to a football match. You pay an overpriced ticket to watch someone who makes a ridiculous amount of money to kick a ball about.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In the premier league perhaps. But there’s a whole world of football outside the premier league.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nobody is forcing you go there to get your entertainment.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But indeed one enters a contract or an agreement to go to a game and watch the football. Not to stand in enforced silence.
If people want to have their silences, have them, just don’t expect or force others to join you in it. Or have a minutes applause, an activity much more in keeping with attending football matches.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Incorrect, one enters a contract to go to a football match. This involves abiding by the rules of attendance, you can't jump over the gates, and you have to do a minutes silence when requested.
If you don't like it don't go, instead of creating these strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will.
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you have to do a minute silence when requested”
And
“Creating strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will”
You can see how these two point contradict can’t you? Football clubs compelling supporters into silence for a controversial political figure not connected to said club is weird. Would you have wanted a minute silence when thatcher died? Force all those fans, many likely sons and daughters of miners, steelworkers or shipbuilders, to stand in commemorative silence for thatcher?
What if a crazy right wing pro-Russia fascist took over your club? And on the death of Putin wanted a minute silence tor them? Would you want to stand in respectful silence for Putin?
I’ve been clear that it isn’t about the “cause” you’re standing for, it is about the appropriateness of such activities at a football match.
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No I don't.
Nobody is forcing you to go to a football match.
You don't like doing a minutes silence. So much so you think you are pretending like a 5 year old child that you are being 'forced' to do it.
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I don’t think a minute silence is an appropriate activity at a football match for someone completely unconnected to the football club.
I’ll repost the questions you didn’t answer;
Would you have wanted a minute silence when thatcher died?
Force all those fans, many likely sons and daughters of miners, steelworkers or shipbuilders, to stand in commemorative silence for thatcher?
What if a crazy right wing pro-Russia fascist took over your club?
And on the death of Putin wanted a minute silence tor them?
Would you want to stand in respectful silence for Putin?
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comment by Neo (U9135)
posted 23 seconds ago
There are some right nobheads around these days, how hard is it to stay silent for a minute.
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Just because something is easy to do, doesn’t mean one should do it. A rather odd strawman tbh. No one on this thread has made any comment about it being difficult to remain silent for a minute, that is patently absurd. What has been discussed is the compelled or forced silence at a football match, or indeed multiple football matches.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If I said to these attention seeking feckwits that I’d give them £10 to be silent for a minute then every one of them would do it.
This absolute nonsense you keep repeating about ‘enforced silence’ is just you excusing those that have no common decency. Because that’s all that is being asked of people.
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You might not like the term enforced silence. But that is what it is. I wish you could have the common decency to not want to compel people into silence at a football match.
If you gave £10 to everyone who didn’t stand to compelled silence that would be very generous of you.
Common decency I might expect to see manifest at someone’s funeral. For example were someone to burst into the funeral and start booing, I’d condemn it in the interests of common decency. But we’re talking about fans at a football game here, many of whom will have bought tickets prior to any enforced silences being announced. I appreciate some stadiums are quieter than others, but football matches are meant to be boisterous, fun, exciting occasions, are they not? The forced silences doesn’t sit comfortably with that.
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Do us all a favour and ship off to Ukraine. You spent more than 60 seconds here arguing a puerile point.
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Nah, quite happy living where I am actually
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Well maybe we should force people like you to ship off then.
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Who is we? And who is “people like you”?
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The non idiots, and the idiots.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
With you the arbiter of who sits in each camp one must presume.
And let’s just be clear; your definition of who is an “idiot” is “someone who doesn’t think minute silences for contentious political figures who have no direct connect with the football clubs in question have a place at football matches”.
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Nobody is actually forcing you to go to a football match. You pay an overpriced ticket to watch someone who makes a ridiculous amount of money to kick a ball about.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In the premier league perhaps. But there’s a whole world of football outside the premier league.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nobody is forcing you go there to get your entertainment.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But indeed one enters a contract or an agreement to go to a game and watch the football. Not to stand in enforced silence.
If people want to have their silences, have them, just don’t expect or force others to join you in it. Or have a minutes applause, an activity much more in keeping with attending football matches.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Incorrect, one enters a contract to go to a football match. This involves abiding by the rules of attendance, you can't jump over the gates, and you have to do a minutes silence when requested.
If you don't like it don't go, instead of creating these strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will.
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you have to do a minute silence when requested”
And
“Creating strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will”
You can see how these two point contradict can’t you? Football clubs compelling supporters into silence for a controversial political figure not connected to said club is weird. Would you have wanted a minute silence when thatcher died? Force all those fans, many likely sons and daughters of miners, steelworkers or shipbuilders, to stand in commemorative silence for thatcher?
What if a crazy right wing pro-Russia fascist took over your club? And on the death of Putin wanted a minute silence tor them? Would you want to stand in respectful silence for Putin?
I’ve been clear that it isn’t about the “cause” you’re standing for, it is about the appropriateness of such activities at a football match.
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No I don't.
Nobody is forcing you to go to a football match.
You don't like doing a minutes silence. So much so you think you are pretending like a 5 year old child that you are being 'forced' to do it.
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I don’t think a minute silence is an appropriate activity at a football match for someone completely unconnected to the football club.
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Cool.
Nobody is forcing you to go.
So if you are going you can't disagree with it that much, and it's easy to shutup for a minute.
Glad we got that cleared up.
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posted 6 minutes ago
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posted 18 seconds ago
bmcl1987
If there was a silence before a football match for say, the Hillsborough victims, or say, for victims of the Ukrainian war, would you have an issue if people refused to respect it ?
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A direct and relevant question. Excellent. So to start with transparency of bosses. I am not a Liverpool fan, I am a supporter of the Ukrainian opposition to the invasion by Russia.
So, wrt Hillsborough. I think a minute silence for Liverpool fans at a Liverpool football match for Liverpool fans who were killed while attending a Liverpool football match is not particularly unreasonable. I’d prefer a minute applause, but I recognise the immediate relationship Liverpool fans have with Liverpool fans.
Similarly Rangers fans having a minute silence for the victims of the Ibrox stadium disaster, I can well understand and I have taken part in myself.
On Ukraine, although I am a supporter of that “side” of the conflict, I would feel uncomfortable about a minutes silence for those impacted by the war in Ukraine. Have a memorial service, sponsor refugees, all that good stuff, but bringing it into football doesn’t sit well with me.
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Regarding Hillsborough, I was referring more to opposition fans. If Liverpool were playing United, would you take issue with United fans jeering and mocking it instead of maintaining silence?
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Interesting point. So I think I’ve established that there are instances (as with the examples of Rangers and Liverpool, 2 clubs I do not support) where I can see the purpose of a minute silence at a football match.
I wouldn’t particularly enjoy fans mocking or jeering that, but I wouldn’t get overly upset or feel the need to post about it. There would no doubt be people who would be upset, those immediately impacted (mothers or fathers of the victims for example) I would expect, but that is thankfully not me.
And I think what rangers tend to do is lay a wreath outside the stadium at the statue commemorating those who died, which feels like an appropriate tribute. By its nature (in part of the stadium that is exclusively for rangers fans) it is unlikely to attract any unwanted jeering or mocking.
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There are some right nobheads around these days, how hard is it to stay silent for a minute.
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Just because something is easy to do, doesn’t mean one should do it. A rather odd strawman tbh. No one on this thread has made any comment about it being difficult to remain silent for a minute, that is patently absurd. What has been discussed is the compelled or forced silence at a football match, or indeed multiple football matches.
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If I said to these attention seeking feckwits that I’d give them £10 to be silent for a minute then every one of them would do it.
This absolute nonsense you keep repeating about ‘enforced silence’ is just you excusing those that have no common decency. Because that’s all that is being asked of people.
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You might not like the term enforced silence. But that is what it is. I wish you could have the common decency to not want to compel people into silence at a football match.
If you gave £10 to everyone who didn’t stand to compelled silence that would be very generous of you.
Common decency I might expect to see manifest at someone’s funeral. For example were someone to burst into the funeral and start booing, I’d condemn it in the interests of common decency. But we’re talking about fans at a football game here, many of whom will have bought tickets prior to any enforced silences being announced. I appreciate some stadiums are quieter than others, but football matches are meant to be boisterous, fun, exciting occasions, are they not? The forced silences doesn’t sit comfortably with that.
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Do us all a favour and ship off to Ukraine. You spent more than 60 seconds here arguing a puerile point.
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Nah, quite happy living where I am actually
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Well maybe we should force people like you to ship off then.
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Who is we? And who is “people like you”?
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The non idiots, and the idiots.
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With you the arbiter of who sits in each camp one must presume.
And let’s just be clear; your definition of who is an “idiot” is “someone who doesn’t think minute silences for contentious political figures who have no direct connect with the football clubs in question have a place at football matches”.
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Nobody is actually forcing you to go to a football match. You pay an overpriced ticket to watch someone who makes a ridiculous amount of money to kick a ball about.
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In the premier league perhaps. But there’s a whole world of football outside the premier league.
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Nobody is forcing you go there to get your entertainment.
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But indeed one enters a contract or an agreement to go to a game and watch the football. Not to stand in enforced silence.
If people want to have their silences, have them, just don’t expect or force others to join you in it. Or have a minutes applause, an activity much more in keeping with attending football matches.
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Incorrect, one enters a contract to go to a football match. This involves abiding by the rules of attendance, you can't jump over the gates, and you have to do a minutes silence when requested.
If you don't like it don't go, instead of creating these strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will.
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you have to do a minute silence when requested”
And
“Creating strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will”
You can see how these two point contradict can’t you? Football clubs compelling supporters into silence for a controversial political figure not connected to said club is weird. Would you have wanted a minute silence when thatcher died? Force all those fans, many likely sons and daughters of miners, steelworkers or shipbuilders, to stand in commemorative silence for thatcher?
What if a crazy right wing pro-Russia fascist took over your club? And on the death of Putin wanted a minute silence tor them? Would you want to stand in respectful silence for Putin?
I’ve been clear that it isn’t about the “cause” you’re standing for, it is about the appropriateness of such activities at a football match.
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No I don't.
Nobody is forcing you to go to a football match.
You don't like doing a minutes silence. So much so you think you are pretending like a 5 year old child that you are being 'forced' to do it.
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I don’t think a minute silence is an appropriate activity at a football match for someone completely unconnected to the football club.
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Cool.
Nobody is forcing you to go.
So if you are going you can't disagree with it that much, and it's easy to shutup for a minute.
Glad we got that cleared up.
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“Easy to” - of course, and that was the point originally made, but it is irrelevant.
Is it appropriate to hold the compelled silences for someone unconnected with the club in question? I say “no”. You apparently “yes”. You didn’t say who you would draw the line with, which is itself insightful.
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There are some right nobheads around these days, how hard is it to stay silent for a minute.
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Just because something is easy to do, doesn’t mean one should do it. A rather odd strawman tbh. No one on this thread has made any comment about it being difficult to remain silent for a minute, that is patently absurd. What has been discussed is the compelled or forced silence at a football match, or indeed multiple football matches.
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If I said to these attention seeking feckwits that I’d give them £10 to be silent for a minute then every one of them would do it.
This absolute nonsense you keep repeating about ‘enforced silence’ is just you excusing those that have no common decency. Because that’s all that is being asked of people.
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You might not like the term enforced silence. But that is what it is. I wish you could have the common decency to not want to compel people into silence at a football match.
If you gave £10 to everyone who didn’t stand to compelled silence that would be very generous of you.
Common decency I might expect to see manifest at someone’s funeral. For example were someone to burst into the funeral and start booing, I’d condemn it in the interests of common decency. But we’re talking about fans at a football game here, many of whom will have bought tickets prior to any enforced silences being announced. I appreciate some stadiums are quieter than others, but football matches are meant to be boisterous, fun, exciting occasions, are they not? The forced silences doesn’t sit comfortably with that.
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Do us all a favour and ship off to Ukraine. You spent more than 60 seconds here arguing a puerile point.
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Nah, quite happy living where I am actually
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Well maybe we should force people like you to ship off then.
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Who is we? And who is “people like you”?
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The non idiots, and the idiots.
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With you the arbiter of who sits in each camp one must presume.
And let’s just be clear; your definition of who is an “idiot” is “someone who doesn’t think minute silences for contentious political figures who have no direct connect with the football clubs in question have a place at football matches”.
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Nobody is actually forcing you to go to a football match. You pay an overpriced ticket to watch someone who makes a ridiculous amount of money to kick a ball about.
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In the premier league perhaps. But there’s a whole world of football outside the premier league.
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Nobody is forcing you go there to get your entertainment.
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But indeed one enters a contract or an agreement to go to a game and watch the football. Not to stand in enforced silence.
If people want to have their silences, have them, just don’t expect or force others to join you in it. Or have a minutes applause, an activity much more in keeping with attending football matches.
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Incorrect, one enters a contract to go to a football match. This involves abiding by the rules of attendance, you can't jump over the gates, and you have to do a minutes silence when requested.
If you don't like it don't go, instead of creating these strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will.
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you have to do a minute silence when requested”
And
“Creating strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will”
You can see how these two point contradict can’t you? Football clubs compelling supporters into silence for a controversial political figure not connected to said club is weird. Would you have wanted a minute silence when thatcher died? Force all those fans, many likely sons and daughters of miners, steelworkers or shipbuilders, to stand in commemorative silence for thatcher?
What if a crazy right wing pro-Russia fascist took over your club? And on the death of Putin wanted a minute silence tor them? Would you want to stand in respectful silence for Putin?
I’ve been clear that it isn’t about the “cause” you’re standing for, it is about the appropriateness of such activities at a football match.
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No I don't.
Nobody is forcing you to go to a football match.
You don't like doing a minutes silence. So much so you think you are pretending like a 5 year old child that you are being 'forced' to do it.
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I don’t think a minute silence is an appropriate activity at a football match for someone completely unconnected to the football club.
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Cool.
Nobody is forcing you to go.
So if you are going you can't disagree with it that much, and it's easy to shutup for a minute.
Glad we got that cleared up.
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“Easy to” - of course, and that was the point originally made, but it is irrelevant.
Is it appropriate to hold the compelled silences for someone unconnected with the club in question? I say “no”. You apparently “yes”. You didn’t say who you would draw the line with, which is itself insightful.
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Nope it's completely relevant
If you disagree with this much what have you done about it?
Examples are:
Writing to your club
Setting up a group to lobby the club
Not attending matches in protest
As for your other questions, we don't need to be specific here.
If I felt strongly that a minutes silence shouldn't be obsevred, I'd not go to a match, or I'd leave.
If I attended and stayed it would mean that watching a football match is the most important thing to me, in which case it would be pretty hyprocritical not to respect the minutes silence.
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As for your other questions, we don't need to be specific here.
If I felt strongly that a minutes silence shouldn't be obsevred, I'd not go to a match, or I'd leave.
If I attended and stayed it would mean that watching a football match is the most important thing to me, in which case it would be pretty hyprocritical not to respect the minutes silence.
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Why would it be hypocritical? Going to a football match doesn’t mean you do everything the host clubs desires or compels you to do. And the principle of hosting minute silences for people unconnected with your football club, you have an issue with that but it is person to person dependent? Which is fine if the case, I’ve made clear where I think minute silences are appropriate and where there are not. And where they are not given the nature and purpose of a football game, they shouldn’t be held and people shouldn’t be compelled to remain silent for them.
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There are some right nobheads around these days, how hard is it to stay silent for a minute.
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Just because something is easy to do, doesn’t mean one should do it. A rather odd strawman tbh. No one on this thread has made any comment about it being difficult to remain silent for a minute, that is patently absurd. What has been discussed is the compelled or forced silence at a football match, or indeed multiple football matches.
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If I said to these attention seeking feckwits that I’d give them £10 to be silent for a minute then every one of them would do it.
This absolute nonsense you keep repeating about ‘enforced silence’ is just you excusing those that have no common decency. Because that’s all that is being asked of people.
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You might not like the term enforced silence. But that is what it is. I wish you could have the common decency to not want to compel people into silence at a football match.
If you gave £10 to everyone who didn’t stand to compelled silence that would be very generous of you.
Common decency I might expect to see manifest at someone’s funeral. For example were someone to burst into the funeral and start booing, I’d condemn it in the interests of common decency. But we’re talking about fans at a football game here, many of whom will have bought tickets prior to any enforced silences being announced. I appreciate some stadiums are quieter than others, but football matches are meant to be boisterous, fun, exciting occasions, are they not? The forced silences doesn’t sit comfortably with that.
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Do us all a favour and ship off to Ukraine. You spent more than 60 seconds here arguing a puerile point.
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Nah, quite happy living where I am actually
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Well maybe we should force people like you to ship off then.
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Who is we? And who is “people like you”?
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The non idiots, and the idiots.
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With you the arbiter of who sits in each camp one must presume.
And let’s just be clear; your definition of who is an “idiot” is “someone who doesn’t think minute silences for contentious political figures who have no direct connect with the football clubs in question have a place at football matches”.
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Nobody is actually forcing you to go to a football match. You pay an overpriced ticket to watch someone who makes a ridiculous amount of money to kick a ball about.
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In the premier league perhaps. But there’s a whole world of football outside the premier league.
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Nobody is forcing you go there to get your entertainment.
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But indeed one enters a contract or an agreement to go to a game and watch the football. Not to stand in enforced silence.
If people want to have their silences, have them, just don’t expect or force others to join you in it. Or have a minutes applause, an activity much more in keeping with attending football matches.
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Incorrect, one enters a contract to go to a football match. This involves abiding by the rules of attendance, you can't jump over the gates, and you have to do a minutes silence when requested.
If you don't like it don't go, instead of creating these strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will.
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you have to do a minute silence when requested”
And
“Creating strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will”
You can see how these two point contradict can’t you? Football clubs compelling supporters into silence for a controversial political figure not connected to said club is weird. Would you have wanted a minute silence when thatcher died? Force all those fans, many likely sons and daughters of miners, steelworkers or shipbuilders, to stand in commemorative silence for thatcher?
What if a crazy right wing pro-Russia fascist took over your club? And on the death of Putin wanted a minute silence tor them? Would you want to stand in respectful silence for Putin?
I’ve been clear that it isn’t about the “cause” you’re standing for, it is about the appropriateness of such activities at a football match.
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No I don't.
Nobody is forcing you to go to a football match.
You don't like doing a minutes silence. So much so you think you are pretending like a 5 year old child that you are being 'forced' to do it.
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I don’t think a minute silence is an appropriate activity at a football match for someone completely unconnected to the football club.
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Cool.
Nobody is forcing you to go.
So if you are going you can't disagree with it that much, and it's easy to shutup for a minute.
Glad we got that cleared up.
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“Easy to” - of course, and that was the point originally made, but it is irrelevant.
Is it appropriate to hold the compelled silences for someone unconnected with the club in question? I say “no”. You apparently “yes”. You didn’t say who you would draw the line with, which is itself insightful.
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Nope it's completely relevant
If you disagree with this much what have you done about it?
Examples are:
Writing to your club
Setting up a group to lobby the club
Not attending matches in protest
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What makes you think my club held a minutes silence? The club I individually support is irrelavent.
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As for your other questions, we don't need to be specific here.
If I felt strongly that a minutes silence shouldn't be obsevred, I'd not go to a match, or I'd leave.
If I attended and stayed it would mean that watching a football match is the most important thing to me, in which case it would be pretty hyprocritical not to respect the minutes silence.
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Why would it be hypocritical? Going to a football match doesn’t mean you do everything the host clubs desires or compels you to do. And the principle of hosting minute silences for people unconnected with your football club, you have an issue with that but it is person to person dependent? Which is fine if the case, I’ve made clear where I think minute silences are appropriate and where there are not. And where they are not given the nature and purpose of a football game, they shouldn’t be held and people shouldn’t be compelled to remain silent for them.
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The vast majority of fans were happy to observe the minutes silence.
Why should the minority of fans like yourself disrespect the wishes of the majority?
As I said it was easy to stand in a minutes silence.
If the minority of vocal Dundee fans didn't like it why didn't they just not attend the match? They were given advance notice and decided to bring their club into disrepute instead of staying home. What did that achieve?
Had they stayed home and written to their club this might have actually created a dialogue in which it could be agreed that fans could be given later entry to avoid proceedings which they don't want to attend.
This is how democracies work. Minorities do not go around forcing majorities to bend to their wishes.
You are not being forced or compelled to do anything, you are given a clear choice.
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There are some right nobheads around these days, how hard is it to stay silent for a minute.
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Just because something is easy to do, doesn’t mean one should do it. A rather odd strawman tbh. No one on this thread has made any comment about it being difficult to remain silent for a minute, that is patently absurd. What has been discussed is the compelled or forced silence at a football match, or indeed multiple football matches.
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If I said to these attention seeking feckwits that I’d give them £10 to be silent for a minute then every one of them would do it.
This absolute nonsense you keep repeating about ‘enforced silence’ is just you excusing those that have no common decency. Because that’s all that is being asked of people.
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You might not like the term enforced silence. But that is what it is. I wish you could have the common decency to not want to compel people into silence at a football match.
If you gave £10 to everyone who didn’t stand to compelled silence that would be very generous of you.
Common decency I might expect to see manifest at someone’s funeral. For example were someone to burst into the funeral and start booing, I’d condemn it in the interests of common decency. But we’re talking about fans at a football game here, many of whom will have bought tickets prior to any enforced silences being announced. I appreciate some stadiums are quieter than others, but football matches are meant to be boisterous, fun, exciting occasions, are they not? The forced silences doesn’t sit comfortably with that.
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Do us all a favour and ship off to Ukraine. You spent more than 60 seconds here arguing a puerile point.
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Nah, quite happy living where I am actually
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Well maybe we should force people like you to ship off then.
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Who is we? And who is “people like you”?
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The non idiots, and the idiots.
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With you the arbiter of who sits in each camp one must presume.
And let’s just be clear; your definition of who is an “idiot” is “someone who doesn’t think minute silences for contentious political figures who have no direct connect with the football clubs in question have a place at football matches”.
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Nobody is actually forcing you to go to a football match. You pay an overpriced ticket to watch someone who makes a ridiculous amount of money to kick a ball about.
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In the premier league perhaps. But there’s a whole world of football outside the premier league.
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Nobody is forcing you go there to get your entertainment.
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But indeed one enters a contract or an agreement to go to a game and watch the football. Not to stand in enforced silence.
If people want to have their silences, have them, just don’t expect or force others to join you in it. Or have a minutes applause, an activity much more in keeping with attending football matches.
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Incorrect, one enters a contract to go to a football match. This involves abiding by the rules of attendance, you can't jump over the gates, and you have to do a minutes silence when requested.
If you don't like it don't go, instead of creating these strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will.
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you have to do a minute silence when requested”
And
“Creating strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will”
You can see how these two point contradict can’t you? Football clubs compelling supporters into silence for a controversial political figure not connected to said club is weird. Would you have wanted a minute silence when thatcher died? Force all those fans, many likely sons and daughters of miners, steelworkers or shipbuilders, to stand in commemorative silence for thatcher?
What if a crazy right wing pro-Russia fascist took over your club? And on the death of Putin wanted a minute silence tor them? Would you want to stand in respectful silence for Putin?
I’ve been clear that it isn’t about the “cause” you’re standing for, it is about the appropriateness of such activities at a football match.
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No I don't.
Nobody is forcing you to go to a football match.
You don't like doing a minutes silence. So much so you think you are pretending like a 5 year old child that you are being 'forced' to do it.
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I don’t think a minute silence is an appropriate activity at a football match for someone completely unconnected to the football club.
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Cool.
Nobody is forcing you to go.
So if you are going you can't disagree with it that much, and it's easy to shutup for a minute.
Glad we got that cleared up.
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“Easy to” - of course, and that was the point originally made, but it is irrelevant.
Is it appropriate to hold the compelled silences for someone unconnected with the club in question? I say “no”. You apparently “yes”. You didn’t say who you would draw the line with, which is itself insightful.
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Nope it's completely relevant
If you disagree with this much what have you done about it?
Examples are:
Writing to your club
Setting up a group to lobby the club
Not attending matches in protest
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What makes you think my club held a minutes silence? The club I individually support is irrelavent.
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No it's not. You support Celtic, which had a minutes applause which was interrupted by many of your fans. Were you one of them?
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There are some right nobheads around these days, how hard is it to stay silent for a minute.
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Just because something is easy to do, doesn’t mean one should do it. A rather odd strawman tbh. No one on this thread has made any comment about it being difficult to remain silent for a minute, that is patently absurd. What has been discussed is the compelled or forced silence at a football match, or indeed multiple football matches.
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If I said to these attention seeking feckwits that I’d give them £10 to be silent for a minute then every one of them would do it.
This absolute nonsense you keep repeating about ‘enforced silence’ is just you excusing those that have no common decency. Because that’s all that is being asked of people.
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You might not like the term enforced silence. But that is what it is. I wish you could have the common decency to not want to compel people into silence at a football match.
If you gave £10 to everyone who didn’t stand to compelled silence that would be very generous of you.
Common decency I might expect to see manifest at someone’s funeral. For example were someone to burst into the funeral and start booing, I’d condemn it in the interests of common decency. But we’re talking about fans at a football game here, many of whom will have bought tickets prior to any enforced silences being announced. I appreciate some stadiums are quieter than others, but football matches are meant to be boisterous, fun, exciting occasions, are they not? The forced silences doesn’t sit comfortably with that.
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Do us all a favour and ship off to Ukraine. You spent more than 60 seconds here arguing a puerile point.
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Nah, quite happy living where I am actually
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Well maybe we should force people like you to ship off then.
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Who is we? And who is “people like you”?
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The non idiots, and the idiots.
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With you the arbiter of who sits in each camp one must presume.
And let’s just be clear; your definition of who is an “idiot” is “someone who doesn’t think minute silences for contentious political figures who have no direct connect with the football clubs in question have a place at football matches”.
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Nobody is actually forcing you to go to a football match. You pay an overpriced ticket to watch someone who makes a ridiculous amount of money to kick a ball about.
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In the premier league perhaps. But there’s a whole world of football outside the premier league.
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Nobody is forcing you go there to get your entertainment.
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But indeed one enters a contract or an agreement to go to a game and watch the football. Not to stand in enforced silence.
If people want to have their silences, have them, just don’t expect or force others to join you in it. Or have a minutes applause, an activity much more in keeping with attending football matches.
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Incorrect, one enters a contract to go to a football match. This involves abiding by the rules of attendance, you can't jump over the gates, and you have to do a minutes silence when requested.
If you don't like it don't go, instead of creating these strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will.
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you have to do a minute silence when requested”
And
“Creating strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will”
You can see how these two point contradict can’t you? Football clubs compelling supporters into silence for a controversial political figure not connected to said club is weird. Would you have wanted a minute silence when thatcher died? Force all those fans, many likely sons and daughters of miners, steelworkers or shipbuilders, to stand in commemorative silence for thatcher?
What if a crazy right wing pro-Russia fascist took over your club? And on the death of Putin wanted a minute silence tor them? Would you want to stand in respectful silence for Putin?
I’ve been clear that it isn’t about the “cause” you’re standing for, it is about the appropriateness of such activities at a football match.
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No I don't.
Nobody is forcing you to go to a football match.
You don't like doing a minutes silence. So much so you think you are pretending like a 5 year old child that you are being 'forced' to do it.
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I don’t think a minute silence is an appropriate activity at a football match for someone completely unconnected to the football club.
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Cool.
Nobody is forcing you to go.
So if you are going you can't disagree with it that much, and it's easy to shutup for a minute.
Glad we got that cleared up.
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“Easy to” - of course, and that was the point originally made, but it is irrelevant.
Is it appropriate to hold the compelled silences for someone unconnected with the club in question? I say “no”. You apparently “yes”. You didn’t say who you would draw the line with, which is itself insightful.
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Nope it's completely relevant
If you disagree with this much what have you done about it?
Examples are:
Writing to your club
Setting up a group to lobby the club
Not attending matches in protest
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What makes you think my club held a minutes silence? The club I individually support is irrelavent.
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No it's not. You support Celtic, which had a minutes applause which was interrupted by many of your fans. Were you one of them?
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Celtic haven’t had a home game but nice try
Who were Dundee playing?
Football clubs are (by in large) not a democracy 😂😂😂 no one voted to have a minute silence.
If we just compelled the minority to do what the majority want them to do in all circumstances it would not be a functioning democracy.
I respect an individual choice of someone to be silent ah a football game, just wish folk would also respect that others won’t be compelled into silence.
And no, I wasn’t at a football game this weekend.
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There are some right nobheads around these days, how hard is it to stay silent for a minute.
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Just because something is easy to do, doesn’t mean one should do it. A rather odd strawman tbh. No one on this thread has made any comment about it being difficult to remain silent for a minute, that is patently absurd. What has been discussed is the compelled or forced silence at a football match, or indeed multiple football matches.
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If I said to these attention seeking feckwits that I’d give them £10 to be silent for a minute then every one of them would do it.
This absolute nonsense you keep repeating about ‘enforced silence’ is just you excusing those that have no common decency. Because that’s all that is being asked of people.
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You might not like the term enforced silence. But that is what it is. I wish you could have the common decency to not want to compel people into silence at a football match.
If you gave £10 to everyone who didn’t stand to compelled silence that would be very generous of you.
Common decency I might expect to see manifest at someone’s funeral. For example were someone to burst into the funeral and start booing, I’d condemn it in the interests of common decency. But we’re talking about fans at a football game here, many of whom will have bought tickets prior to any enforced silences being announced. I appreciate some stadiums are quieter than others, but football matches are meant to be boisterous, fun, exciting occasions, are they not? The forced silences doesn’t sit comfortably with that.
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Do us all a favour and ship off to Ukraine. You spent more than 60 seconds here arguing a puerile point.
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Nah, quite happy living where I am actually
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Well maybe we should force people like you to ship off then.
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Who is we? And who is “people like you”?
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The non idiots, and the idiots.
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With you the arbiter of who sits in each camp one must presume.
And let’s just be clear; your definition of who is an “idiot” is “someone who doesn’t think minute silences for contentious political figures who have no direct connect with the football clubs in question have a place at football matches”.
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Nobody is actually forcing you to go to a football match. You pay an overpriced ticket to watch someone who makes a ridiculous amount of money to kick a ball about.
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In the premier league perhaps. But there’s a whole world of football outside the premier league.
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Nobody is forcing you go there to get your entertainment.
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But indeed one enters a contract or an agreement to go to a game and watch the football. Not to stand in enforced silence.
If people want to have their silences, have them, just don’t expect or force others to join you in it. Or have a minutes applause, an activity much more in keeping with attending football matches.
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Incorrect, one enters a contract to go to a football match. This involves abiding by the rules of attendance, you can't jump over the gates, and you have to do a minutes silence when requested.
If you don't like it don't go, instead of creating these strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will.
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you have to do a minute silence when requested”
And
“Creating strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will”
You can see how these two point contradict can’t you? Football clubs compelling supporters into silence for a controversial political figure not connected to said club is weird. Would you have wanted a minute silence when thatcher died? Force all those fans, many likely sons and daughters of miners, steelworkers or shipbuilders, to stand in commemorative silence for thatcher?
What if a crazy right wing pro-Russia fascist took over your club? And on the death of Putin wanted a minute silence tor them? Would you want to stand in respectful silence for Putin?
I’ve been clear that it isn’t about the “cause” you’re standing for, it is about the appropriateness of such activities at a football match.
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No I don't.
Nobody is forcing you to go to a football match.
You don't like doing a minutes silence. So much so you think you are pretending like a 5 year old child that you are being 'forced' to do it.
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I don’t think a minute silence is an appropriate activity at a football match for someone completely unconnected to the football club.
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Cool.
Nobody is forcing you to go.
So if you are going you can't disagree with it that much, and it's easy to shutup for a minute.
Glad we got that cleared up.
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“Easy to” - of course, and that was the point originally made, but it is irrelevant.
Is it appropriate to hold the compelled silences for someone unconnected with the club in question? I say “no”. You apparently “yes”. You didn’t say who you would draw the line with, which is itself insightful.
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Nope it's completely relevant
If you disagree with this much what have you done about it?
Examples are:
Writing to your club
Setting up a group to lobby the club
Not attending matches in protest
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What makes you think my club held a minutes silence? The club I individually support is irrelavent.
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No it's not. You support Celtic, which had a minutes applause which was interrupted by many of your fans. Were you one of them?
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Celtic haven’t had a home game but nice try
Who were Dundee playing?
Football clubs are (by in large) not a democracy 😂😂😂 no one voted to have a minute silence.
If we just compelled the minority to do what the majority want them to do in all circumstances it would not be a functioning democracy.
I respect an individual choice of someone to be silent ah a football game, just wish folk would also respect that others won’t be compelled into silence.
And no, I wasn’t at a football game this weekend.
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Who cares whether they had a home game? They still decided to "protest" by being disrespectful to everyone else, and made your fans look foolish.
Well why haven't you written to your club? This is what a democracy is for.
If you're not making your voice heard, what do you expect will happen?
You are just coming across as a whining child that expects others to agree with and do everything for them.
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There are some right nobheads around these days, how hard is it to stay silent for a minute.
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Just because something is easy to do, doesn’t mean one should do it. A rather odd strawman tbh. No one on this thread has made any comment about it being difficult to remain silent for a minute, that is patently absurd. What has been discussed is the compelled or forced silence at a football match, or indeed multiple football matches.
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If I said to these attention seeking feckwits that I’d give them £10 to be silent for a minute then every one of them would do it.
This absolute nonsense you keep repeating about ‘enforced silence’ is just you excusing those that have no common decency. Because that’s all that is being asked of people.
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You might not like the term enforced silence. But that is what it is. I wish you could have the common decency to not want to compel people into silence at a football match.
If you gave £10 to everyone who didn’t stand to compelled silence that would be very generous of you.
Common decency I might expect to see manifest at someone’s funeral. For example were someone to burst into the funeral and start booing, I’d condemn it in the interests of common decency. But we’re talking about fans at a football game here, many of whom will have bought tickets prior to any enforced silences being announced. I appreciate some stadiums are quieter than others, but football matches are meant to be boisterous, fun, exciting occasions, are they not? The forced silences doesn’t sit comfortably with that.
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Do us all a favour and ship off to Ukraine. You spent more than 60 seconds here arguing a puerile point.
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Nah, quite happy living where I am actually
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Well maybe we should force people like you to ship off then.
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Who is we? And who is “people like you”?
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The non idiots, and the idiots.
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With you the arbiter of who sits in each camp one must presume.
And let’s just be clear; your definition of who is an “idiot” is “someone who doesn’t think minute silences for contentious political figures who have no direct connect with the football clubs in question have a place at football matches”.
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Nobody is actually forcing you to go to a football match. You pay an overpriced ticket to watch someone who makes a ridiculous amount of money to kick a ball about.
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In the premier league perhaps. But there’s a whole world of football outside the premier league.
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Nobody is forcing you go there to get your entertainment.
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But indeed one enters a contract or an agreement to go to a game and watch the football. Not to stand in enforced silence.
If people want to have their silences, have them, just don’t expect or force others to join you in it. Or have a minutes applause, an activity much more in keeping with attending football matches.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Incorrect, one enters a contract to go to a football match. This involves abiding by the rules of attendance, you can't jump over the gates, and you have to do a minutes silence when requested.
If you don't like it don't go, instead of creating these strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will.
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you have to do a minute silence when requested”
And
“Creating strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will”
You can see how these two point contradict can’t you? Football clubs compelling supporters into silence for a controversial political figure not connected to said club is weird. Would you have wanted a minute silence when thatcher died? Force all those fans, many likely sons and daughters of miners, steelworkers or shipbuilders, to stand in commemorative silence for thatcher?
What if a crazy right wing pro-Russia fascist took over your club? And on the death of Putin wanted a minute silence tor them? Would you want to stand in respectful silence for Putin?
I’ve been clear that it isn’t about the “cause” you’re standing for, it is about the appropriateness of such activities at a football match.
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No I don't.
Nobody is forcing you to go to a football match.
You don't like doing a minutes silence. So much so you think you are pretending like a 5 year old child that you are being 'forced' to do it.
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I don’t think a minute silence is an appropriate activity at a football match for someone completely unconnected to the football club.
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Cool.
Nobody is forcing you to go.
So if you are going you can't disagree with it that much, and it's easy to shutup for a minute.
Glad we got that cleared up.
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“Easy to” - of course, and that was the point originally made, but it is irrelevant.
Is it appropriate to hold the compelled silences for someone unconnected with the club in question? I say “no”. You apparently “yes”. You didn’t say who you would draw the line with, which is itself insightful.
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Nope it's completely relevant
If you disagree with this much what have you done about it?
Examples are:
Writing to your club
Setting up a group to lobby the club
Not attending matches in protest
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What makes you think my club held a minutes silence? The club I individually support is irrelavent.
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No it's not. You support Celtic, which had a minutes applause which was interrupted by many of your fans. Were you one of them?
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Celtic haven’t had a home game but nice try
Who were Dundee playing?
Football clubs are (by in large) not a democracy 😂😂😂 no one voted to have a minute silence.
If we just compelled the minority to do what the majority want them to do in all circumstances it would not be a functioning democracy.
I respect an individual choice of someone to be silent ah a football game, just wish folk would also respect that others won’t be compelled into silence.
And no, I wasn’t at a football game this weekend.
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Who cares whether they had a home game? They still decided to "protest" by being disrespectful to everyone else, and made your fans look foolish.
Well why haven't you written to your club? This is what a democracy is for.
If you're not making your voice heard, what do you expect will happen?
You are just coming across as a whining child that expects others to agree with and do everything for them.
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Celtic didn’t have a minutes applause, St Mirren did. And from what I could tell there was applause from the Celtic fans.
I don’t expect others to agree. I expect people to hold a minute silence if they want to. I don’t think doing so at w football game is in keeping with the nature of attending a football game (exceptions as previously stated). Why do you feel the need to force those who don’t agree with you into silence? You as an individual want a silence. Doesn’t mean everyone else should be forced to keep silent. You can hold your own minutes silence amongst the noise of a football game.
And you’re back to insults. I’ll not stoop to your level.
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Celtic didn’t have a minutes applause, St Mirren did. And from what I could tell there was applause from the Celtic fans.
I don’t expect others to agree. I expect people to hold a minute silence if they want to. I don’t think doing so at w football game is in keeping with the nature of attending a football game (exceptions as previously stated). Why do you feel the need to force those who don’t agree with you into silence? You as an individual want a silence. Doesn’t mean everyone else should be forced to keep silent. You can hold your own minutes silence amongst the noise of a football game.
And you’re back to insults. I’ll not stoop to your level.
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'forced to keep silent' once again your ridiculous strawman.
Is somebody forcing you not to write to your club? Your MP? Is somebody forcing you to go to a game?
If you feel this strongly about being 'forced' to do something, what have you done about it exactly? I have asked you several times but no response.
As for your fans:
https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/18/celtic-fans-sing-if-you-hate-the-royal-family-clap-your-hands-17399517/amp/
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Celtic didn’t have a minutes applause, St Mirren did. And from what I could tell there was applause from the Celtic fans.
I don’t expect others to agree. I expect people to hold a minute silence if they want to. I don’t think doing so at w football game is in keeping with the nature of attending a football game (exceptions as previously stated). Why do you feel the need to force those who don’t agree with you into silence? You as an individual want a silence. Doesn’t mean everyone else should be forced to keep silent. You can hold your own minutes silence amongst the noise of a football game.
And you’re back to insults. I’ll not stoop to your level.
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'forced to keep silent' once again your ridiculous strawman.
Is somebody forcing you not to write to your club? Your MP? Is somebody forcing you to go to a game?
If you feel this strongly about being 'forced' to do something, what have you done about it exactly? I have asked you several times but no response.
As for your fans:
https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/18/celtic-fans-sing-if-you-hate-the-royal-family-clap-your-hands-17399517/amp/
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Well my local club have not had a home game and neither have Celtic, so as clubs they have compelled nothing.
My fans 😂😂😂
What do you think about that? Are you offended?
I am not a member of that fans group, nor am I a representative.
Forced to keep silent appears to make you feel uncomfortable, perhaps as this framing highlights the ridiculousness of the concept of them at football games for someone completely unconnected to the relevant clubs.
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Celtic didn’t have a minutes applause, St Mirren did. And from what I could tell there was applause from the Celtic fans.
I don’t expect others to agree. I expect people to hold a minute silence if they want to. I don’t think doing so at w football game is in keeping with the nature of attending a football game (exceptions as previously stated). Why do you feel the need to force those who don’t agree with you into silence? You as an individual want a silence. Doesn’t mean everyone else should be forced to keep silent. You can hold your own minutes silence amongst the noise of a football game.
And you’re back to insults. I’ll not stoop to your level.
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'forced to keep silent' once again your ridiculous strawman.
Is somebody forcing you not to write to your club? Your MP? Is somebody forcing you to go to a game?
If you feel this strongly about being 'forced' to do something, what have you done about it exactly? I have asked you several times but no response.
As for your fans:
https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/18/celtic-fans-sing-if-you-hate-the-royal-family-clap-your-hands-17399517/amp/
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Well my local club have not had a home game and neither have Celtic, so as clubs they have compelled nothing.
My fans 😂😂😂
What do you think about that? Are you offended?
I am not a member of that fans group, nor am I a representative.
Forced to keep silent appears to make you feel uncomfortable, perhaps as this framing highlights the ridiculousness of the concept of them at football games for someone completely unconnected to the relevant clubs.
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It doesn't make me feel anything - seems you're happy to introduce ad hominems where you feel they're appropriate.
The idea that people are being forced to do anything is fallacious, highlighted by the fact you haven't even appear to have made your voice heard beyond some whining on this forum.
"Celtic boss Ange Postecoglou had urged the club’s fans to respect the minute’s applause before the game."
"Well my local club have not had a home game and neither have Celtic, so as clubs they have compelled nothing."
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Celtic didn’t have a minutes applause, St Mirren did. And from what I could tell there was applause from the Celtic fans.
I don’t expect others to agree. I expect people to hold a minute silence if they want to. I don’t think doing so at w football game is in keeping with the nature of attending a football game (exceptions as previously stated). Why do you feel the need to force those who don’t agree with you into silence? You as an individual want a silence. Doesn’t mean everyone else should be forced to keep silent. You can hold your own minutes silence amongst the noise of a football game.
And you’re back to insults. I’ll not stoop to your level.
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'forced to keep silent' once again your ridiculous strawman.
Is somebody forcing you not to write to your club? Your MP? Is somebody forcing you to go to a game?
If you feel this strongly about being 'forced' to do something, what have you done about it exactly? I have asked you several times but no response.
As for your fans:
https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/18/celtic-fans-sing-if-you-hate-the-royal-family-clap-your-hands-17399517/amp/
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Well my local club have not had a home game and neither have Celtic, so as clubs they have compelled nothing.
My fans 😂😂😂
What do you think about that? Are you offended?
I am not a member of that fans group, nor am I a representative.
Forced to keep silent appears to make you feel uncomfortable, perhaps as this framing highlights the ridiculousness of the concept of them at football games for someone completely unconnected to the relevant clubs.
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It doesn't make me feel anything - seems you're happy to introduce ad hominems where you feel they're appropriate.
The idea that people are being forced to do anything is fallacious, highlighted by the fact you haven't even appear to have made your voice heard beyond some whining on this forum.
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I’m interpreting what you’ve posted over a number of pages. Hence “appears to”. But again nice try
What is bizarre, is you keep referring to me as “whining” and yet you appear to need to respond. Doing so invalidates any accusation of whining I’m afraid.
You appear to have no problem with clubs holding (and thus compelling) minutes silences for people completely unconnected to their club. I disagree with it. Here’s hoping you haven’t spent the bank holiday sitting trying to debate with someone you think is a “whining child”. THAT would say a lot about you.
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There are some right nobheads around these days, how hard is it to stay silent for a minute.
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Just because something is easy to do, doesn’t mean one should do it. A rather odd strawman tbh. No one on this thread has made any comment about it being difficult to remain silent for a minute, that is patently absurd. What has been discussed is the compelled or forced silence at a football match, or indeed multiple football matches.
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If I said to these attention seeking feckwits that I’d give them £10 to be silent for a minute then every one of them would do it.
This absolute nonsense you keep repeating about ‘enforced silence’ is just you excusing those that have no common decency. Because that’s all that is being asked of people.
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You might not like the term enforced silence. But that is what it is. I wish you could have the common decency to not want to compel people into silence at a football match.
If you gave £10 to everyone who didn’t stand to compelled silence that would be very generous of you.
Common decency I might expect to see manifest at someone’s funeral. For example were someone to burst into the funeral and start booing, I’d condemn it in the interests of common decency. But we’re talking about fans at a football game here, many of whom will have bought tickets prior to any enforced silences being announced. I appreciate some stadiums are quieter than others, but football matches are meant to be boisterous, fun, exciting occasions, are they not? The forced silences doesn’t sit comfortably with that.
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Do us all a favour and ship off to Ukraine. You spent more than 60 seconds here arguing a puerile point.
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Nah, quite happy living where I am actually
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Well maybe we should force people like you to ship off then.
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Who is we? And who is “people like you”?
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The non idiots, and the idiots.
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With you the arbiter of who sits in each camp one must presume.
And let’s just be clear; your definition of who is an “idiot” is “someone who doesn’t think minute silences for contentious political figures who have no direct connect with the football clubs in question have a place at football matches”.
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Nobody is actually forcing you to go to a football match. You pay an overpriced ticket to watch someone who makes a ridiculous amount of money to kick a ball about.
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In the premier league perhaps. But there’s a whole world of football outside the premier league.
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Nobody is forcing you go there to get your entertainment.
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But indeed one enters a contract or an agreement to go to a game and watch the football. Not to stand in enforced silence.
If people want to have their silences, have them, just don’t expect or force others to join you in it. Or have a minutes applause, an activity much more in keeping with attending football matches.
posted on 19/9/22
bmcl1987
If there was a silence before a football match for say, the Hillsborough victims, or say, for victims of the Ukrainian war, would you have an issue if people refused to respect it ?
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There are some right nobheads around these days, how hard is it to stay silent for a minute.
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Just because something is easy to do, doesn’t mean one should do it. A rather odd strawman tbh. No one on this thread has made any comment about it being difficult to remain silent for a minute, that is patently absurd. What has been discussed is the compelled or forced silence at a football match, or indeed multiple football matches.
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If I said to these attention seeking feckwits that I’d give them £10 to be silent for a minute then every one of them would do it.
This absolute nonsense you keep repeating about ‘enforced silence’ is just you excusing those that have no common decency. Because that’s all that is being asked of people.
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You might not like the term enforced silence. But that is what it is. I wish you could have the common decency to not want to compel people into silence at a football match.
If you gave £10 to everyone who didn’t stand to compelled silence that would be very generous of you.
Common decency I might expect to see manifest at someone’s funeral. For example were someone to burst into the funeral and start booing, I’d condemn it in the interests of common decency. But we’re talking about fans at a football game here, many of whom will have bought tickets prior to any enforced silences being announced. I appreciate some stadiums are quieter than others, but football matches are meant to be boisterous, fun, exciting occasions, are they not? The forced silences doesn’t sit comfortably with that.
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Do us all a favour and ship off to Ukraine. You spent more than 60 seconds here arguing a puerile point.
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Nah, quite happy living where I am actually
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Well maybe we should force people like you to ship off then.
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Who is we? And who is “people like you”?
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The non idiots, and the idiots.
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With you the arbiter of who sits in each camp one must presume.
And let’s just be clear; your definition of who is an “idiot” is “someone who doesn’t think minute silences for contentious political figures who have no direct connect with the football clubs in question have a place at football matches”.
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Nobody is actually forcing you to go to a football match. You pay an overpriced ticket to watch someone who makes a ridiculous amount of money to kick a ball about.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In the premier league perhaps. But there’s a whole world of football outside the premier league.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nobody is forcing you go there to get your entertainment.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But indeed one enters a contract or an agreement to go to a game and watch the football. Not to stand in enforced silence.
If people want to have their silences, have them, just don’t expect or force others to join you in it. Or have a minutes applause, an activity much more in keeping with attending football matches.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Incorrect, one enters a contract to go to a football match. This involves abiding by the rules of attendance, you can't jump over the gates, and you have to do a minutes silence when requested.
If you don't like it don't go, instead of creating these strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will.
posted on 19/9/22
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 18 seconds ago
bmcl1987
If there was a silence before a football match for say, the Hillsborough victims, or say, for victims of the Ukrainian war, would you have an issue if people refused to respect it ?
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A direct and relevant question. Excellent. So to start with transparency of bosses. I am not a Liverpool fan, I am a supporter of the Ukrainian opposition to the invasion by Russia.
So, wrt Hillsborough. I think a minute silence for Liverpool fans at a Liverpool football match for Liverpool fans who were killed while attending a Liverpool football match is not particularly unreasonable. I’d prefer a minute applause, but I recognise the immediate relationship Liverpool fans have with Liverpool fans.
Similarly Rangers fans having a minute silence for the victims of the Ibrox stadium disaster, I can well understand and I have taken part in myself.
On Ukraine, although I am a supporter of that “side” of the conflict, I would feel uncomfortable about a minutes silence for those impacted by the war in Ukraine. Have a memorial service, sponsor refugees, all that good stuff, but bringing it into football doesn’t sit well with me.
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posted 23 seconds ago
There are some right nobheads around these days, how hard is it to stay silent for a minute.
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Just because something is easy to do, doesn’t mean one should do it. A rather odd strawman tbh. No one on this thread has made any comment about it being difficult to remain silent for a minute, that is patently absurd. What has been discussed is the compelled or forced silence at a football match, or indeed multiple football matches.
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If I said to these attention seeking feckwits that I’d give them £10 to be silent for a minute then every one of them would do it.
This absolute nonsense you keep repeating about ‘enforced silence’ is just you excusing those that have no common decency. Because that’s all that is being asked of people.
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You might not like the term enforced silence. But that is what it is. I wish you could have the common decency to not want to compel people into silence at a football match.
If you gave £10 to everyone who didn’t stand to compelled silence that would be very generous of you.
Common decency I might expect to see manifest at someone’s funeral. For example were someone to burst into the funeral and start booing, I’d condemn it in the interests of common decency. But we’re talking about fans at a football game here, many of whom will have bought tickets prior to any enforced silences being announced. I appreciate some stadiums are quieter than others, but football matches are meant to be boisterous, fun, exciting occasions, are they not? The forced silences doesn’t sit comfortably with that.
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Do us all a favour and ship off to Ukraine. You spent more than 60 seconds here arguing a puerile point.
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Nah, quite happy living where I am actually
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Well maybe we should force people like you to ship off then.
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Who is we? And who is “people like you”?
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The non idiots, and the idiots.
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With you the arbiter of who sits in each camp one must presume.
And let’s just be clear; your definition of who is an “idiot” is “someone who doesn’t think minute silences for contentious political figures who have no direct connect with the football clubs in question have a place at football matches”.
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Nobody is actually forcing you to go to a football match. You pay an overpriced ticket to watch someone who makes a ridiculous amount of money to kick a ball about.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In the premier league perhaps. But there’s a whole world of football outside the premier league.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nobody is forcing you go there to get your entertainment.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But indeed one enters a contract or an agreement to go to a game and watch the football. Not to stand in enforced silence.
If people want to have their silences, have them, just don’t expect or force others to join you in it. Or have a minutes applause, an activity much more in keeping with attending football matches.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Incorrect, one enters a contract to go to a football match. This involves abiding by the rules of attendance, you can't jump over the gates, and you have to do a minutes silence when requested.
If you don't like it don't go, instead of creating these strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will.
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you have to do a minute silence when requested”
And
“Creating strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will”
You can see how these two point contradict can’t you? Football clubs compelling supporters into silence for a controversial political figure not connected to said club is weird. Would you have wanted a minute silence when thatcher died? Force all those fans, many likely sons and daughters of miners, steelworkers or shipbuilders, to stand in commemorative silence for thatcher?
What if a crazy right wing pro-Russia fascist took over your club? And on the death of Putin wanted a minute silence tor them? Would you want to stand in respectful silence for Putin?
I’ve been clear that it isn’t about the “cause” you’re standing for, it is about the appropriateness of such activities at a football match.
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comment by Neo (U9135)
posted 23 seconds ago
There are some right nobheads around these days, how hard is it to stay silent for a minute.
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Just because something is easy to do, doesn’t mean one should do it. A rather odd strawman tbh. No one on this thread has made any comment about it being difficult to remain silent for a minute, that is patently absurd. What has been discussed is the compelled or forced silence at a football match, or indeed multiple football matches.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If I said to these attention seeking feckwits that I’d give them £10 to be silent for a minute then every one of them would do it.
This absolute nonsense you keep repeating about ‘enforced silence’ is just you excusing those that have no common decency. Because that’s all that is being asked of people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You might not like the term enforced silence. But that is what it is. I wish you could have the common decency to not want to compel people into silence at a football match.
If you gave £10 to everyone who didn’t stand to compelled silence that would be very generous of you.
Common decency I might expect to see manifest at someone’s funeral. For example were someone to burst into the funeral and start booing, I’d condemn it in the interests of common decency. But we’re talking about fans at a football game here, many of whom will have bought tickets prior to any enforced silences being announced. I appreciate some stadiums are quieter than others, but football matches are meant to be boisterous, fun, exciting occasions, are they not? The forced silences doesn’t sit comfortably with that.
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Do us all a favour and ship off to Ukraine. You spent more than 60 seconds here arguing a puerile point.
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Nah, quite happy living where I am actually
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Well maybe we should force people like you to ship off then.
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Who is we? And who is “people like you”?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The non idiots, and the idiots.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
With you the arbiter of who sits in each camp one must presume.
And let’s just be clear; your definition of who is an “idiot” is “someone who doesn’t think minute silences for contentious political figures who have no direct connect with the football clubs in question have a place at football matches”.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nobody is actually forcing you to go to a football match. You pay an overpriced ticket to watch someone who makes a ridiculous amount of money to kick a ball about.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In the premier league perhaps. But there’s a whole world of football outside the premier league.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nobody is forcing you go there to get your entertainment.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But indeed one enters a contract or an agreement to go to a game and watch the football. Not to stand in enforced silence.
If people want to have their silences, have them, just don’t expect or force others to join you in it. Or have a minutes applause, an activity much more in keeping with attending football matches.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Incorrect, one enters a contract to go to a football match. This involves abiding by the rules of attendance, you can't jump over the gates, and you have to do a minutes silence when requested.
If you don't like it don't go, instead of creating these strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will.
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you have to do a minute silence when requested”
And
“Creating strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will”
You can see how these two point contradict can’t you? Football clubs compelling supporters into silence for a controversial political figure not connected to said club is weird. Would you have wanted a minute silence when thatcher died? Force all those fans, many likely sons and daughters of miners, steelworkers or shipbuilders, to stand in commemorative silence for thatcher?
What if a crazy right wing pro-Russia fascist took over your club? And on the death of Putin wanted a minute silence tor them? Would you want to stand in respectful silence for Putin?
I’ve been clear that it isn’t about the “cause” you’re standing for, it is about the appropriateness of such activities at a football match.
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No I don't.
Nobody is forcing you to go to a football match.
You don't like doing a minutes silence. So much so you think you are pretending like a 5 year old child that you are being 'forced' to do it.
posted on 19/9/22
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 18 seconds ago
bmcl1987
If there was a silence before a football match for say, the Hillsborough victims, or say, for victims of the Ukrainian war, would you have an issue if people refused to respect it ?
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A direct and relevant question. Excellent. So to start with transparency of bosses. I am not a Liverpool fan, I am a supporter of the Ukrainian opposition to the invasion by Russia.
So, wrt Hillsborough. I think a minute silence for Liverpool fans at a Liverpool football match for Liverpool fans who were killed while attending a Liverpool football match is not particularly unreasonable. I’d prefer a minute applause, but I recognise the immediate relationship Liverpool fans have with Liverpool fans.
Similarly Rangers fans having a minute silence for the victims of the Ibrox stadium disaster, I can well understand and I have taken part in myself.
On Ukraine, although I am a supporter of that “side” of the conflict, I would feel uncomfortable about a minutes silence for those impacted by the war in Ukraine. Have a memorial service, sponsor refugees, all that good stuff, but bringing it into football doesn’t sit well with me.
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Regarding Hillsborough, I was referring more to opposition fans. If Liverpool were playing United, would you take issue with United fans jeering and mocking it instead of maintaining silence?
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comment by Neo (U9135)
posted 23 seconds ago
There are some right nobheads around these days, how hard is it to stay silent for a minute.
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Just because something is easy to do, doesn’t mean one should do it. A rather odd strawman tbh. No one on this thread has made any comment about it being difficult to remain silent for a minute, that is patently absurd. What has been discussed is the compelled or forced silence at a football match, or indeed multiple football matches.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If I said to these attention seeking feckwits that I’d give them £10 to be silent for a minute then every one of them would do it.
This absolute nonsense you keep repeating about ‘enforced silence’ is just you excusing those that have no common decency. Because that’s all that is being asked of people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You might not like the term enforced silence. But that is what it is. I wish you could have the common decency to not want to compel people into silence at a football match.
If you gave £10 to everyone who didn’t stand to compelled silence that would be very generous of you.
Common decency I might expect to see manifest at someone’s funeral. For example were someone to burst into the funeral and start booing, I’d condemn it in the interests of common decency. But we’re talking about fans at a football game here, many of whom will have bought tickets prior to any enforced silences being announced. I appreciate some stadiums are quieter than others, but football matches are meant to be boisterous, fun, exciting occasions, are they not? The forced silences doesn’t sit comfortably with that.
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Do us all a favour and ship off to Ukraine. You spent more than 60 seconds here arguing a puerile point.
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Nah, quite happy living where I am actually
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Well maybe we should force people like you to ship off then.
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Who is we? And who is “people like you”?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The non idiots, and the idiots.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
With you the arbiter of who sits in each camp one must presume.
And let’s just be clear; your definition of who is an “idiot” is “someone who doesn’t think minute silences for contentious political figures who have no direct connect with the football clubs in question have a place at football matches”.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nobody is actually forcing you to go to a football match. You pay an overpriced ticket to watch someone who makes a ridiculous amount of money to kick a ball about.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In the premier league perhaps. But there’s a whole world of football outside the premier league.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nobody is forcing you go there to get your entertainment.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But indeed one enters a contract or an agreement to go to a game and watch the football. Not to stand in enforced silence.
If people want to have their silences, have them, just don’t expect or force others to join you in it. Or have a minutes applause, an activity much more in keeping with attending football matches.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Incorrect, one enters a contract to go to a football match. This involves abiding by the rules of attendance, you can't jump over the gates, and you have to do a minutes silence when requested.
If you don't like it don't go, instead of creating these strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
you have to do a minute silence when requested”
And
“Creating strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will”
You can see how these two point contradict can’t you? Football clubs compelling supporters into silence for a controversial political figure not connected to said club is weird. Would you have wanted a minute silence when thatcher died? Force all those fans, many likely sons and daughters of miners, steelworkers or shipbuilders, to stand in commemorative silence for thatcher?
What if a crazy right wing pro-Russia fascist took over your club? And on the death of Putin wanted a minute silence tor them? Would you want to stand in respectful silence for Putin?
I’ve been clear that it isn’t about the “cause” you’re standing for, it is about the appropriateness of such activities at a football match.
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No I don't.
Nobody is forcing you to go to a football match.
You don't like doing a minutes silence. So much so you think you are pretending like a 5 year old child that you are being 'forced' to do it.
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I don’t think a minute silence is an appropriate activity at a football match for someone completely unconnected to the football club.
I’ll repost the questions you didn’t answer;
Would you have wanted a minute silence when thatcher died?
Force all those fans, many likely sons and daughters of miners, steelworkers or shipbuilders, to stand in commemorative silence for thatcher?
What if a crazy right wing pro-Russia fascist took over your club?
And on the death of Putin wanted a minute silence tor them?
Would you want to stand in respectful silence for Putin?
posted on 19/9/22
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comment by Neo (U9135)
posted 23 seconds ago
There are some right nobheads around these days, how hard is it to stay silent for a minute.
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Just because something is easy to do, doesn’t mean one should do it. A rather odd strawman tbh. No one on this thread has made any comment about it being difficult to remain silent for a minute, that is patently absurd. What has been discussed is the compelled or forced silence at a football match, or indeed multiple football matches.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If I said to these attention seeking feckwits that I’d give them £10 to be silent for a minute then every one of them would do it.
This absolute nonsense you keep repeating about ‘enforced silence’ is just you excusing those that have no common decency. Because that’s all that is being asked of people.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You might not like the term enforced silence. But that is what it is. I wish you could have the common decency to not want to compel people into silence at a football match.
If you gave £10 to everyone who didn’t stand to compelled silence that would be very generous of you.
Common decency I might expect to see manifest at someone’s funeral. For example were someone to burst into the funeral and start booing, I’d condemn it in the interests of common decency. But we’re talking about fans at a football game here, many of whom will have bought tickets prior to any enforced silences being announced. I appreciate some stadiums are quieter than others, but football matches are meant to be boisterous, fun, exciting occasions, are they not? The forced silences doesn’t sit comfortably with that.
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Do us all a favour and ship off to Ukraine. You spent more than 60 seconds here arguing a puerile point.
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Nah, quite happy living where I am actually
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well maybe we should force people like you to ship off then.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who is we? And who is “people like you”?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The non idiots, and the idiots.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
With you the arbiter of who sits in each camp one must presume.
And let’s just be clear; your definition of who is an “idiot” is “someone who doesn’t think minute silences for contentious political figures who have no direct connect with the football clubs in question have a place at football matches”.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nobody is actually forcing you to go to a football match. You pay an overpriced ticket to watch someone who makes a ridiculous amount of money to kick a ball about.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In the premier league perhaps. But there’s a whole world of football outside the premier league.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nobody is forcing you go there to get your entertainment.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But indeed one enters a contract or an agreement to go to a game and watch the football. Not to stand in enforced silence.
If people want to have their silences, have them, just don’t expect or force others to join you in it. Or have a minutes applause, an activity much more in keeping with attending football matches.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Incorrect, one enters a contract to go to a football match. This involves abiding by the rules of attendance, you can't jump over the gates, and you have to do a minutes silence when requested.
If you don't like it don't go, instead of creating these strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
you have to do a minute silence when requested”
And
“Creating strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will”
You can see how these two point contradict can’t you? Football clubs compelling supporters into silence for a controversial political figure not connected to said club is weird. Would you have wanted a minute silence when thatcher died? Force all those fans, many likely sons and daughters of miners, steelworkers or shipbuilders, to stand in commemorative silence for thatcher?
What if a crazy right wing pro-Russia fascist took over your club? And on the death of Putin wanted a minute silence tor them? Would you want to stand in respectful silence for Putin?
I’ve been clear that it isn’t about the “cause” you’re standing for, it is about the appropriateness of such activities at a football match.
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No I don't.
Nobody is forcing you to go to a football match.
You don't like doing a minutes silence. So much so you think you are pretending like a 5 year old child that you are being 'forced' to do it.
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I don’t think a minute silence is an appropriate activity at a football match for someone completely unconnected to the football club.
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Cool.
Nobody is forcing you to go.
So if you are going you can't disagree with it that much, and it's easy to shutup for a minute.
Glad we got that cleared up.
posted on 19/9/22
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 18 seconds ago
bmcl1987
If there was a silence before a football match for say, the Hillsborough victims, or say, for victims of the Ukrainian war, would you have an issue if people refused to respect it ?
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A direct and relevant question. Excellent. So to start with transparency of bosses. I am not a Liverpool fan, I am a supporter of the Ukrainian opposition to the invasion by Russia.
So, wrt Hillsborough. I think a minute silence for Liverpool fans at a Liverpool football match for Liverpool fans who were killed while attending a Liverpool football match is not particularly unreasonable. I’d prefer a minute applause, but I recognise the immediate relationship Liverpool fans have with Liverpool fans.
Similarly Rangers fans having a minute silence for the victims of the Ibrox stadium disaster, I can well understand and I have taken part in myself.
On Ukraine, although I am a supporter of that “side” of the conflict, I would feel uncomfortable about a minutes silence for those impacted by the war in Ukraine. Have a memorial service, sponsor refugees, all that good stuff, but bringing it into football doesn’t sit well with me.
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Regarding Hillsborough, I was referring more to opposition fans. If Liverpool were playing United, would you take issue with United fans jeering and mocking it instead of maintaining silence?
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Interesting point. So I think I’ve established that there are instances (as with the examples of Rangers and Liverpool, 2 clubs I do not support) where I can see the purpose of a minute silence at a football match.
I wouldn’t particularly enjoy fans mocking or jeering that, but I wouldn’t get overly upset or feel the need to post about it. There would no doubt be people who would be upset, those immediately impacted (mothers or fathers of the victims for example) I would expect, but that is thankfully not me.
And I think what rangers tend to do is lay a wreath outside the stadium at the statue commemorating those who died, which feels like an appropriate tribute. By its nature (in part of the stadium that is exclusively for rangers fans) it is unlikely to attract any unwanted jeering or mocking.
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comment by Neo (U9135)
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There are some right nobheads around these days, how hard is it to stay silent for a minute.
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Just because something is easy to do, doesn’t mean one should do it. A rather odd strawman tbh. No one on this thread has made any comment about it being difficult to remain silent for a minute, that is patently absurd. What has been discussed is the compelled or forced silence at a football match, or indeed multiple football matches.
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If I said to these attention seeking feckwits that I’d give them £10 to be silent for a minute then every one of them would do it.
This absolute nonsense you keep repeating about ‘enforced silence’ is just you excusing those that have no common decency. Because that’s all that is being asked of people.
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You might not like the term enforced silence. But that is what it is. I wish you could have the common decency to not want to compel people into silence at a football match.
If you gave £10 to everyone who didn’t stand to compelled silence that would be very generous of you.
Common decency I might expect to see manifest at someone’s funeral. For example were someone to burst into the funeral and start booing, I’d condemn it in the interests of common decency. But we’re talking about fans at a football game here, many of whom will have bought tickets prior to any enforced silences being announced. I appreciate some stadiums are quieter than others, but football matches are meant to be boisterous, fun, exciting occasions, are they not? The forced silences doesn’t sit comfortably with that.
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Do us all a favour and ship off to Ukraine. You spent more than 60 seconds here arguing a puerile point.
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Nah, quite happy living where I am actually
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Well maybe we should force people like you to ship off then.
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Who is we? And who is “people like you”?
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The non idiots, and the idiots.
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With you the arbiter of who sits in each camp one must presume.
And let’s just be clear; your definition of who is an “idiot” is “someone who doesn’t think minute silences for contentious political figures who have no direct connect with the football clubs in question have a place at football matches”.
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Nobody is actually forcing you to go to a football match. You pay an overpriced ticket to watch someone who makes a ridiculous amount of money to kick a ball about.
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In the premier league perhaps. But there’s a whole world of football outside the premier league.
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Nobody is forcing you go there to get your entertainment.
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But indeed one enters a contract or an agreement to go to a game and watch the football. Not to stand in enforced silence.
If people want to have their silences, have them, just don’t expect or force others to join you in it. Or have a minutes applause, an activity much more in keeping with attending football matches.
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Incorrect, one enters a contract to go to a football match. This involves abiding by the rules of attendance, you can't jump over the gates, and you have to do a minutes silence when requested.
If you don't like it don't go, instead of creating these strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will.
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you have to do a minute silence when requested”
And
“Creating strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will”
You can see how these two point contradict can’t you? Football clubs compelling supporters into silence for a controversial political figure not connected to said club is weird. Would you have wanted a minute silence when thatcher died? Force all those fans, many likely sons and daughters of miners, steelworkers or shipbuilders, to stand in commemorative silence for thatcher?
What if a crazy right wing pro-Russia fascist took over your club? And on the death of Putin wanted a minute silence tor them? Would you want to stand in respectful silence for Putin?
I’ve been clear that it isn’t about the “cause” you’re standing for, it is about the appropriateness of such activities at a football match.
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No I don't.
Nobody is forcing you to go to a football match.
You don't like doing a minutes silence. So much so you think you are pretending like a 5 year old child that you are being 'forced' to do it.
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I don’t think a minute silence is an appropriate activity at a football match for someone completely unconnected to the football club.
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Cool.
Nobody is forcing you to go.
So if you are going you can't disagree with it that much, and it's easy to shutup for a minute.
Glad we got that cleared up.
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“Easy to” - of course, and that was the point originally made, but it is irrelevant.
Is it appropriate to hold the compelled silences for someone unconnected with the club in question? I say “no”. You apparently “yes”. You didn’t say who you would draw the line with, which is itself insightful.
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comment by Neo (U9135)
posted 23 seconds ago
There are some right nobheads around these days, how hard is it to stay silent for a minute.
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Just because something is easy to do, doesn’t mean one should do it. A rather odd strawman tbh. No one on this thread has made any comment about it being difficult to remain silent for a minute, that is patently absurd. What has been discussed is the compelled or forced silence at a football match, or indeed multiple football matches.
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If I said to these attention seeking feckwits that I’d give them £10 to be silent for a minute then every one of them would do it.
This absolute nonsense you keep repeating about ‘enforced silence’ is just you excusing those that have no common decency. Because that’s all that is being asked of people.
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You might not like the term enforced silence. But that is what it is. I wish you could have the common decency to not want to compel people into silence at a football match.
If you gave £10 to everyone who didn’t stand to compelled silence that would be very generous of you.
Common decency I might expect to see manifest at someone’s funeral. For example were someone to burst into the funeral and start booing, I’d condemn it in the interests of common decency. But we’re talking about fans at a football game here, many of whom will have bought tickets prior to any enforced silences being announced. I appreciate some stadiums are quieter than others, but football matches are meant to be boisterous, fun, exciting occasions, are they not? The forced silences doesn’t sit comfortably with that.
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Do us all a favour and ship off to Ukraine. You spent more than 60 seconds here arguing a puerile point.
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Nah, quite happy living where I am actually
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Well maybe we should force people like you to ship off then.
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Who is we? And who is “people like you”?
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The non idiots, and the idiots.
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With you the arbiter of who sits in each camp one must presume.
And let’s just be clear; your definition of who is an “idiot” is “someone who doesn’t think minute silences for contentious political figures who have no direct connect with the football clubs in question have a place at football matches”.
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Nobody is actually forcing you to go to a football match. You pay an overpriced ticket to watch someone who makes a ridiculous amount of money to kick a ball about.
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In the premier league perhaps. But there’s a whole world of football outside the premier league.
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Nobody is forcing you go there to get your entertainment.
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But indeed one enters a contract or an agreement to go to a game and watch the football. Not to stand in enforced silence.
If people want to have their silences, have them, just don’t expect or force others to join you in it. Or have a minutes applause, an activity much more in keeping with attending football matches.
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Incorrect, one enters a contract to go to a football match. This involves abiding by the rules of attendance, you can't jump over the gates, and you have to do a minutes silence when requested.
If you don't like it don't go, instead of creating these strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will.
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you have to do a minute silence when requested”
And
“Creating strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will”
You can see how these two point contradict can’t you? Football clubs compelling supporters into silence for a controversial political figure not connected to said club is weird. Would you have wanted a minute silence when thatcher died? Force all those fans, many likely sons and daughters of miners, steelworkers or shipbuilders, to stand in commemorative silence for thatcher?
What if a crazy right wing pro-Russia fascist took over your club? And on the death of Putin wanted a minute silence tor them? Would you want to stand in respectful silence for Putin?
I’ve been clear that it isn’t about the “cause” you’re standing for, it is about the appropriateness of such activities at a football match.
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No I don't.
Nobody is forcing you to go to a football match.
You don't like doing a minutes silence. So much so you think you are pretending like a 5 year old child that you are being 'forced' to do it.
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I don’t think a minute silence is an appropriate activity at a football match for someone completely unconnected to the football club.
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Cool.
Nobody is forcing you to go.
So if you are going you can't disagree with it that much, and it's easy to shutup for a minute.
Glad we got that cleared up.
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“Easy to” - of course, and that was the point originally made, but it is irrelevant.
Is it appropriate to hold the compelled silences for someone unconnected with the club in question? I say “no”. You apparently “yes”. You didn’t say who you would draw the line with, which is itself insightful.
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Nope it's completely relevant
If you disagree with this much what have you done about it?
Examples are:
Writing to your club
Setting up a group to lobby the club
Not attending matches in protest
posted on 19/9/22
As for your other questions, we don't need to be specific here.
If I felt strongly that a minutes silence shouldn't be obsevred, I'd not go to a match, or I'd leave.
If I attended and stayed it would mean that watching a football match is the most important thing to me, in which case it would be pretty hyprocritical not to respect the minutes silence.
posted on 19/9/22
comment by TopForm (U15726)
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As for your other questions, we don't need to be specific here.
If I felt strongly that a minutes silence shouldn't be obsevred, I'd not go to a match, or I'd leave.
If I attended and stayed it would mean that watching a football match is the most important thing to me, in which case it would be pretty hyprocritical not to respect the minutes silence.
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Why would it be hypocritical? Going to a football match doesn’t mean you do everything the host clubs desires or compels you to do. And the principle of hosting minute silences for people unconnected with your football club, you have an issue with that but it is person to person dependent? Which is fine if the case, I’ve made clear where I think minute silences are appropriate and where there are not. And where they are not given the nature and purpose of a football game, they shouldn’t be held and people shouldn’t be compelled to remain silent for them.
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comment by Neo (U9135)
posted 23 seconds ago
There are some right nobheads around these days, how hard is it to stay silent for a minute.
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Just because something is easy to do, doesn’t mean one should do it. A rather odd strawman tbh. No one on this thread has made any comment about it being difficult to remain silent for a minute, that is patently absurd. What has been discussed is the compelled or forced silence at a football match, or indeed multiple football matches.
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If I said to these attention seeking feckwits that I’d give them £10 to be silent for a minute then every one of them would do it.
This absolute nonsense you keep repeating about ‘enforced silence’ is just you excusing those that have no common decency. Because that’s all that is being asked of people.
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You might not like the term enforced silence. But that is what it is. I wish you could have the common decency to not want to compel people into silence at a football match.
If you gave £10 to everyone who didn’t stand to compelled silence that would be very generous of you.
Common decency I might expect to see manifest at someone’s funeral. For example were someone to burst into the funeral and start booing, I’d condemn it in the interests of common decency. But we’re talking about fans at a football game here, many of whom will have bought tickets prior to any enforced silences being announced. I appreciate some stadiums are quieter than others, but football matches are meant to be boisterous, fun, exciting occasions, are they not? The forced silences doesn’t sit comfortably with that.
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Do us all a favour and ship off to Ukraine. You spent more than 60 seconds here arguing a puerile point.
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Nah, quite happy living where I am actually
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Well maybe we should force people like you to ship off then.
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Who is we? And who is “people like you”?
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The non idiots, and the idiots.
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With you the arbiter of who sits in each camp one must presume.
And let’s just be clear; your definition of who is an “idiot” is “someone who doesn’t think minute silences for contentious political figures who have no direct connect with the football clubs in question have a place at football matches”.
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Nobody is actually forcing you to go to a football match. You pay an overpriced ticket to watch someone who makes a ridiculous amount of money to kick a ball about.
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In the premier league perhaps. But there’s a whole world of football outside the premier league.
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Nobody is forcing you go there to get your entertainment.
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But indeed one enters a contract or an agreement to go to a game and watch the football. Not to stand in enforced silence.
If people want to have their silences, have them, just don’t expect or force others to join you in it. Or have a minutes applause, an activity much more in keeping with attending football matches.
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Incorrect, one enters a contract to go to a football match. This involves abiding by the rules of attendance, you can't jump over the gates, and you have to do a minutes silence when requested.
If you don't like it don't go, instead of creating these strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will.
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you have to do a minute silence when requested”
And
“Creating strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will”
You can see how these two point contradict can’t you? Football clubs compelling supporters into silence for a controversial political figure not connected to said club is weird. Would you have wanted a minute silence when thatcher died? Force all those fans, many likely sons and daughters of miners, steelworkers or shipbuilders, to stand in commemorative silence for thatcher?
What if a crazy right wing pro-Russia fascist took over your club? And on the death of Putin wanted a minute silence tor them? Would you want to stand in respectful silence for Putin?
I’ve been clear that it isn’t about the “cause” you’re standing for, it is about the appropriateness of such activities at a football match.
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No I don't.
Nobody is forcing you to go to a football match.
You don't like doing a minutes silence. So much so you think you are pretending like a 5 year old child that you are being 'forced' to do it.
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I don’t think a minute silence is an appropriate activity at a football match for someone completely unconnected to the football club.
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Cool.
Nobody is forcing you to go.
So if you are going you can't disagree with it that much, and it's easy to shutup for a minute.
Glad we got that cleared up.
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“Easy to” - of course, and that was the point originally made, but it is irrelevant.
Is it appropriate to hold the compelled silences for someone unconnected with the club in question? I say “no”. You apparently “yes”. You didn’t say who you would draw the line with, which is itself insightful.
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Nope it's completely relevant
If you disagree with this much what have you done about it?
Examples are:
Writing to your club
Setting up a group to lobby the club
Not attending matches in protest
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What makes you think my club held a minutes silence? The club I individually support is irrelavent.
posted on 19/9/22
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by TopForm (U15726)
posted 22 minutes ago
As for your other questions, we don't need to be specific here.
If I felt strongly that a minutes silence shouldn't be obsevred, I'd not go to a match, or I'd leave.
If I attended and stayed it would mean that watching a football match is the most important thing to me, in which case it would be pretty hyprocritical not to respect the minutes silence.
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Why would it be hypocritical? Going to a football match doesn’t mean you do everything the host clubs desires or compels you to do. And the principle of hosting minute silences for people unconnected with your football club, you have an issue with that but it is person to person dependent? Which is fine if the case, I’ve made clear where I think minute silences are appropriate and where there are not. And where they are not given the nature and purpose of a football game, they shouldn’t be held and people shouldn’t be compelled to remain silent for them.
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The vast majority of fans were happy to observe the minutes silence.
Why should the minority of fans like yourself disrespect the wishes of the majority?
As I said it was easy to stand in a minutes silence.
If the minority of vocal Dundee fans didn't like it why didn't they just not attend the match? They were given advance notice and decided to bring their club into disrepute instead of staying home. What did that achieve?
Had they stayed home and written to their club this might have actually created a dialogue in which it could be agreed that fans could be given later entry to avoid proceedings which they don't want to attend.
This is how democracies work. Minorities do not go around forcing majorities to bend to their wishes.
You are not being forced or compelled to do anything, you are given a clear choice.
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comment by Neo (U9135)
posted 23 seconds ago
There are some right nobheads around these days, how hard is it to stay silent for a minute.
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Just because something is easy to do, doesn’t mean one should do it. A rather odd strawman tbh. No one on this thread has made any comment about it being difficult to remain silent for a minute, that is patently absurd. What has been discussed is the compelled or forced silence at a football match, or indeed multiple football matches.
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If I said to these attention seeking feckwits that I’d give them £10 to be silent for a minute then every one of them would do it.
This absolute nonsense you keep repeating about ‘enforced silence’ is just you excusing those that have no common decency. Because that’s all that is being asked of people.
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You might not like the term enforced silence. But that is what it is. I wish you could have the common decency to not want to compel people into silence at a football match.
If you gave £10 to everyone who didn’t stand to compelled silence that would be very generous of you.
Common decency I might expect to see manifest at someone’s funeral. For example were someone to burst into the funeral and start booing, I’d condemn it in the interests of common decency. But we’re talking about fans at a football game here, many of whom will have bought tickets prior to any enforced silences being announced. I appreciate some stadiums are quieter than others, but football matches are meant to be boisterous, fun, exciting occasions, are they not? The forced silences doesn’t sit comfortably with that.
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Do us all a favour and ship off to Ukraine. You spent more than 60 seconds here arguing a puerile point.
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Nah, quite happy living where I am actually
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Well maybe we should force people like you to ship off then.
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Who is we? And who is “people like you”?
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The non idiots, and the idiots.
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With you the arbiter of who sits in each camp one must presume.
And let’s just be clear; your definition of who is an “idiot” is “someone who doesn’t think minute silences for contentious political figures who have no direct connect with the football clubs in question have a place at football matches”.
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Nobody is actually forcing you to go to a football match. You pay an overpriced ticket to watch someone who makes a ridiculous amount of money to kick a ball about.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In the premier league perhaps. But there’s a whole world of football outside the premier league.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nobody is forcing you go there to get your entertainment.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But indeed one enters a contract or an agreement to go to a game and watch the football. Not to stand in enforced silence.
If people want to have their silences, have them, just don’t expect or force others to join you in it. Or have a minutes applause, an activity much more in keeping with attending football matches.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Incorrect, one enters a contract to go to a football match. This involves abiding by the rules of attendance, you can't jump over the gates, and you have to do a minutes silence when requested.
If you don't like it don't go, instead of creating these strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will.
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you have to do a minute silence when requested”
And
“Creating strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will”
You can see how these two point contradict can’t you? Football clubs compelling supporters into silence for a controversial political figure not connected to said club is weird. Would you have wanted a minute silence when thatcher died? Force all those fans, many likely sons and daughters of miners, steelworkers or shipbuilders, to stand in commemorative silence for thatcher?
What if a crazy right wing pro-Russia fascist took over your club? And on the death of Putin wanted a minute silence tor them? Would you want to stand in respectful silence for Putin?
I’ve been clear that it isn’t about the “cause” you’re standing for, it is about the appropriateness of such activities at a football match.
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No I don't.
Nobody is forcing you to go to a football match.
You don't like doing a minutes silence. So much so you think you are pretending like a 5 year old child that you are being 'forced' to do it.
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I don’t think a minute silence is an appropriate activity at a football match for someone completely unconnected to the football club.
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Cool.
Nobody is forcing you to go.
So if you are going you can't disagree with it that much, and it's easy to shutup for a minute.
Glad we got that cleared up.
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“Easy to” - of course, and that was the point originally made, but it is irrelevant.
Is it appropriate to hold the compelled silences for someone unconnected with the club in question? I say “no”. You apparently “yes”. You didn’t say who you would draw the line with, which is itself insightful.
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Nope it's completely relevant
If you disagree with this much what have you done about it?
Examples are:
Writing to your club
Setting up a group to lobby the club
Not attending matches in protest
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What makes you think my club held a minutes silence? The club I individually support is irrelavent.
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No it's not. You support Celtic, which had a minutes applause which was interrupted by many of your fans. Were you one of them?
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comment by Neo (U9135)
posted 23 seconds ago
There are some right nobheads around these days, how hard is it to stay silent for a minute.
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Just because something is easy to do, doesn’t mean one should do it. A rather odd strawman tbh. No one on this thread has made any comment about it being difficult to remain silent for a minute, that is patently absurd. What has been discussed is the compelled or forced silence at a football match, or indeed multiple football matches.
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If I said to these attention seeking feckwits that I’d give them £10 to be silent for a minute then every one of them would do it.
This absolute nonsense you keep repeating about ‘enforced silence’ is just you excusing those that have no common decency. Because that’s all that is being asked of people.
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You might not like the term enforced silence. But that is what it is. I wish you could have the common decency to not want to compel people into silence at a football match.
If you gave £10 to everyone who didn’t stand to compelled silence that would be very generous of you.
Common decency I might expect to see manifest at someone’s funeral. For example were someone to burst into the funeral and start booing, I’d condemn it in the interests of common decency. But we’re talking about fans at a football game here, many of whom will have bought tickets prior to any enforced silences being announced. I appreciate some stadiums are quieter than others, but football matches are meant to be boisterous, fun, exciting occasions, are they not? The forced silences doesn’t sit comfortably with that.
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Do us all a favour and ship off to Ukraine. You spent more than 60 seconds here arguing a puerile point.
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Nah, quite happy living where I am actually
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Well maybe we should force people like you to ship off then.
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Who is we? And who is “people like you”?
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The non idiots, and the idiots.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
With you the arbiter of who sits in each camp one must presume.
And let’s just be clear; your definition of who is an “idiot” is “someone who doesn’t think minute silences for contentious political figures who have no direct connect with the football clubs in question have a place at football matches”.
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Nobody is actually forcing you to go to a football match. You pay an overpriced ticket to watch someone who makes a ridiculous amount of money to kick a ball about.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In the premier league perhaps. But there’s a whole world of football outside the premier league.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nobody is forcing you go there to get your entertainment.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But indeed one enters a contract or an agreement to go to a game and watch the football. Not to stand in enforced silence.
If people want to have their silences, have them, just don’t expect or force others to join you in it. Or have a minutes applause, an activity much more in keeping with attending football matches.
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Incorrect, one enters a contract to go to a football match. This involves abiding by the rules of attendance, you can't jump over the gates, and you have to do a minutes silence when requested.
If you don't like it don't go, instead of creating these strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will.
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you have to do a minute silence when requested”
And
“Creating strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will”
You can see how these two point contradict can’t you? Football clubs compelling supporters into silence for a controversial political figure not connected to said club is weird. Would you have wanted a minute silence when thatcher died? Force all those fans, many likely sons and daughters of miners, steelworkers or shipbuilders, to stand in commemorative silence for thatcher?
What if a crazy right wing pro-Russia fascist took over your club? And on the death of Putin wanted a minute silence tor them? Would you want to stand in respectful silence for Putin?
I’ve been clear that it isn’t about the “cause” you’re standing for, it is about the appropriateness of such activities at a football match.
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No I don't.
Nobody is forcing you to go to a football match.
You don't like doing a minutes silence. So much so you think you are pretending like a 5 year old child that you are being 'forced' to do it.
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I don’t think a minute silence is an appropriate activity at a football match for someone completely unconnected to the football club.
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Cool.
Nobody is forcing you to go.
So if you are going you can't disagree with it that much, and it's easy to shutup for a minute.
Glad we got that cleared up.
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“Easy to” - of course, and that was the point originally made, but it is irrelevant.
Is it appropriate to hold the compelled silences for someone unconnected with the club in question? I say “no”. You apparently “yes”. You didn’t say who you would draw the line with, which is itself insightful.
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Nope it's completely relevant
If you disagree with this much what have you done about it?
Examples are:
Writing to your club
Setting up a group to lobby the club
Not attending matches in protest
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What makes you think my club held a minutes silence? The club I individually support is irrelavent.
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No it's not. You support Celtic, which had a minutes applause which was interrupted by many of your fans. Were you one of them?
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Celtic haven’t had a home game but nice try
Who were Dundee playing?
Football clubs are (by in large) not a democracy 😂😂😂 no one voted to have a minute silence.
If we just compelled the minority to do what the majority want them to do in all circumstances it would not be a functioning democracy.
I respect an individual choice of someone to be silent ah a football game, just wish folk would also respect that others won’t be compelled into silence.
And no, I wasn’t at a football game this weekend.
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There are some right nobheads around these days, how hard is it to stay silent for a minute.
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Just because something is easy to do, doesn’t mean one should do it. A rather odd strawman tbh. No one on this thread has made any comment about it being difficult to remain silent for a minute, that is patently absurd. What has been discussed is the compelled or forced silence at a football match, or indeed multiple football matches.
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If I said to these attention seeking feckwits that I’d give them £10 to be silent for a minute then every one of them would do it.
This absolute nonsense you keep repeating about ‘enforced silence’ is just you excusing those that have no common decency. Because that’s all that is being asked of people.
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You might not like the term enforced silence. But that is what it is. I wish you could have the common decency to not want to compel people into silence at a football match.
If you gave £10 to everyone who didn’t stand to compelled silence that would be very generous of you.
Common decency I might expect to see manifest at someone’s funeral. For example were someone to burst into the funeral and start booing, I’d condemn it in the interests of common decency. But we’re talking about fans at a football game here, many of whom will have bought tickets prior to any enforced silences being announced. I appreciate some stadiums are quieter than others, but football matches are meant to be boisterous, fun, exciting occasions, are they not? The forced silences doesn’t sit comfortably with that.
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Do us all a favour and ship off to Ukraine. You spent more than 60 seconds here arguing a puerile point.
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Nah, quite happy living where I am actually
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Well maybe we should force people like you to ship off then.
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Who is we? And who is “people like you”?
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The non idiots, and the idiots.
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With you the arbiter of who sits in each camp one must presume.
And let’s just be clear; your definition of who is an “idiot” is “someone who doesn’t think minute silences for contentious political figures who have no direct connect with the football clubs in question have a place at football matches”.
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Nobody is actually forcing you to go to a football match. You pay an overpriced ticket to watch someone who makes a ridiculous amount of money to kick a ball about.
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In the premier league perhaps. But there’s a whole world of football outside the premier league.
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Nobody is forcing you go there to get your entertainment.
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But indeed one enters a contract or an agreement to go to a game and watch the football. Not to stand in enforced silence.
If people want to have their silences, have them, just don’t expect or force others to join you in it. Or have a minutes applause, an activity much more in keeping with attending football matches.
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Incorrect, one enters a contract to go to a football match. This involves abiding by the rules of attendance, you can't jump over the gates, and you have to do a minutes silence when requested.
If you don't like it don't go, instead of creating these strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will.
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you have to do a minute silence when requested”
And
“Creating strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will”
You can see how these two point contradict can’t you? Football clubs compelling supporters into silence for a controversial political figure not connected to said club is weird. Would you have wanted a minute silence when thatcher died? Force all those fans, many likely sons and daughters of miners, steelworkers or shipbuilders, to stand in commemorative silence for thatcher?
What if a crazy right wing pro-Russia fascist took over your club? And on the death of Putin wanted a minute silence tor them? Would you want to stand in respectful silence for Putin?
I’ve been clear that it isn’t about the “cause” you’re standing for, it is about the appropriateness of such activities at a football match.
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No I don't.
Nobody is forcing you to go to a football match.
You don't like doing a minutes silence. So much so you think you are pretending like a 5 year old child that you are being 'forced' to do it.
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I don’t think a minute silence is an appropriate activity at a football match for someone completely unconnected to the football club.
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Cool.
Nobody is forcing you to go.
So if you are going you can't disagree with it that much, and it's easy to shutup for a minute.
Glad we got that cleared up.
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“Easy to” - of course, and that was the point originally made, but it is irrelevant.
Is it appropriate to hold the compelled silences for someone unconnected with the club in question? I say “no”. You apparently “yes”. You didn’t say who you would draw the line with, which is itself insightful.
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Nope it's completely relevant
If you disagree with this much what have you done about it?
Examples are:
Writing to your club
Setting up a group to lobby the club
Not attending matches in protest
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What makes you think my club held a minutes silence? The club I individually support is irrelavent.
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No it's not. You support Celtic, which had a minutes applause which was interrupted by many of your fans. Were you one of them?
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Celtic haven’t had a home game but nice try
Who were Dundee playing?
Football clubs are (by in large) not a democracy 😂😂😂 no one voted to have a minute silence.
If we just compelled the minority to do what the majority want them to do in all circumstances it would not be a functioning democracy.
I respect an individual choice of someone to be silent ah a football game, just wish folk would also respect that others won’t be compelled into silence.
And no, I wasn’t at a football game this weekend.
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Who cares whether they had a home game? They still decided to "protest" by being disrespectful to everyone else, and made your fans look foolish.
Well why haven't you written to your club? This is what a democracy is for.
If you're not making your voice heard, what do you expect will happen?
You are just coming across as a whining child that expects others to agree with and do everything for them.
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comment by Neo (U9135)
posted 23 seconds ago
There are some right nobheads around these days, how hard is it to stay silent for a minute.
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Just because something is easy to do, doesn’t mean one should do it. A rather odd strawman tbh. No one on this thread has made any comment about it being difficult to remain silent for a minute, that is patently absurd. What has been discussed is the compelled or forced silence at a football match, or indeed multiple football matches.
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If I said to these attention seeking feckwits that I’d give them £10 to be silent for a minute then every one of them would do it.
This absolute nonsense you keep repeating about ‘enforced silence’ is just you excusing those that have no common decency. Because that’s all that is being asked of people.
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You might not like the term enforced silence. But that is what it is. I wish you could have the common decency to not want to compel people into silence at a football match.
If you gave £10 to everyone who didn’t stand to compelled silence that would be very generous of you.
Common decency I might expect to see manifest at someone’s funeral. For example were someone to burst into the funeral and start booing, I’d condemn it in the interests of common decency. But we’re talking about fans at a football game here, many of whom will have bought tickets prior to any enforced silences being announced. I appreciate some stadiums are quieter than others, but football matches are meant to be boisterous, fun, exciting occasions, are they not? The forced silences doesn’t sit comfortably with that.
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Do us all a favour and ship off to Ukraine. You spent more than 60 seconds here arguing a puerile point.
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Nah, quite happy living where I am actually
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Well maybe we should force people like you to ship off then.
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Who is we? And who is “people like you”?
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The non idiots, and the idiots.
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With you the arbiter of who sits in each camp one must presume.
And let’s just be clear; your definition of who is an “idiot” is “someone who doesn’t think minute silences for contentious political figures who have no direct connect with the football clubs in question have a place at football matches”.
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Nobody is actually forcing you to go to a football match. You pay an overpriced ticket to watch someone who makes a ridiculous amount of money to kick a ball about.
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In the premier league perhaps. But there’s a whole world of football outside the premier league.
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Nobody is forcing you go there to get your entertainment.
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But indeed one enters a contract or an agreement to go to a game and watch the football. Not to stand in enforced silence.
If people want to have their silences, have them, just don’t expect or force others to join you in it. Or have a minutes applause, an activity much more in keeping with attending football matches.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Incorrect, one enters a contract to go to a football match. This involves abiding by the rules of attendance, you can't jump over the gates, and you have to do a minutes silence when requested.
If you don't like it don't go, instead of creating these strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will.
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you have to do a minute silence when requested”
And
“Creating strawman scenarios where someone is forcing you to do something against your will”
You can see how these two point contradict can’t you? Football clubs compelling supporters into silence for a controversial political figure not connected to said club is weird. Would you have wanted a minute silence when thatcher died? Force all those fans, many likely sons and daughters of miners, steelworkers or shipbuilders, to stand in commemorative silence for thatcher?
What if a crazy right wing pro-Russia fascist took over your club? And on the death of Putin wanted a minute silence tor them? Would you want to stand in respectful silence for Putin?
I’ve been clear that it isn’t about the “cause” you’re standing for, it is about the appropriateness of such activities at a football match.
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No I don't.
Nobody is forcing you to go to a football match.
You don't like doing a minutes silence. So much so you think you are pretending like a 5 year old child that you are being 'forced' to do it.
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I don’t think a minute silence is an appropriate activity at a football match for someone completely unconnected to the football club.
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Cool.
Nobody is forcing you to go.
So if you are going you can't disagree with it that much, and it's easy to shutup for a minute.
Glad we got that cleared up.
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“Easy to” - of course, and that was the point originally made, but it is irrelevant.
Is it appropriate to hold the compelled silences for someone unconnected with the club in question? I say “no”. You apparently “yes”. You didn’t say who you would draw the line with, which is itself insightful.
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Nope it's completely relevant
If you disagree with this much what have you done about it?
Examples are:
Writing to your club
Setting up a group to lobby the club
Not attending matches in protest
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What makes you think my club held a minutes silence? The club I individually support is irrelavent.
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No it's not. You support Celtic, which had a minutes applause which was interrupted by many of your fans. Were you one of them?
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Celtic haven’t had a home game but nice try
Who were Dundee playing?
Football clubs are (by in large) not a democracy 😂😂😂 no one voted to have a minute silence.
If we just compelled the minority to do what the majority want them to do in all circumstances it would not be a functioning democracy.
I respect an individual choice of someone to be silent ah a football game, just wish folk would also respect that others won’t be compelled into silence.
And no, I wasn’t at a football game this weekend.
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Who cares whether they had a home game? They still decided to "protest" by being disrespectful to everyone else, and made your fans look foolish.
Well why haven't you written to your club? This is what a democracy is for.
If you're not making your voice heard, what do you expect will happen?
You are just coming across as a whining child that expects others to agree with and do everything for them.
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Celtic didn’t have a minutes applause, St Mirren did. And from what I could tell there was applause from the Celtic fans.
I don’t expect others to agree. I expect people to hold a minute silence if they want to. I don’t think doing so at w football game is in keeping with the nature of attending a football game (exceptions as previously stated). Why do you feel the need to force those who don’t agree with you into silence? You as an individual want a silence. Doesn’t mean everyone else should be forced to keep silent. You can hold your own minutes silence amongst the noise of a football game.
And you’re back to insults. I’ll not stoop to your level.
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Celtic didn’t have a minutes applause, St Mirren did. And from what I could tell there was applause from the Celtic fans.
I don’t expect others to agree. I expect people to hold a minute silence if they want to. I don’t think doing so at w football game is in keeping with the nature of attending a football game (exceptions as previously stated). Why do you feel the need to force those who don’t agree with you into silence? You as an individual want a silence. Doesn’t mean everyone else should be forced to keep silent. You can hold your own minutes silence amongst the noise of a football game.
And you’re back to insults. I’ll not stoop to your level.
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'forced to keep silent' once again your ridiculous strawman.
Is somebody forcing you not to write to your club? Your MP? Is somebody forcing you to go to a game?
If you feel this strongly about being 'forced' to do something, what have you done about it exactly? I have asked you several times but no response.
As for your fans:
https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/18/celtic-fans-sing-if-you-hate-the-royal-family-clap-your-hands-17399517/amp/
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Celtic didn’t have a minutes applause, St Mirren did. And from what I could tell there was applause from the Celtic fans.
I don’t expect others to agree. I expect people to hold a minute silence if they want to. I don’t think doing so at w football game is in keeping with the nature of attending a football game (exceptions as previously stated). Why do you feel the need to force those who don’t agree with you into silence? You as an individual want a silence. Doesn’t mean everyone else should be forced to keep silent. You can hold your own minutes silence amongst the noise of a football game.
And you’re back to insults. I’ll not stoop to your level.
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'forced to keep silent' once again your ridiculous strawman.
Is somebody forcing you not to write to your club? Your MP? Is somebody forcing you to go to a game?
If you feel this strongly about being 'forced' to do something, what have you done about it exactly? I have asked you several times but no response.
As for your fans:
https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/18/celtic-fans-sing-if-you-hate-the-royal-family-clap-your-hands-17399517/amp/
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Well my local club have not had a home game and neither have Celtic, so as clubs they have compelled nothing.
My fans 😂😂😂
What do you think about that? Are you offended?
I am not a member of that fans group, nor am I a representative.
Forced to keep silent appears to make you feel uncomfortable, perhaps as this framing highlights the ridiculousness of the concept of them at football games for someone completely unconnected to the relevant clubs.
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posted 1 minute ago
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Celtic didn’t have a minutes applause, St Mirren did. And from what I could tell there was applause from the Celtic fans.
I don’t expect others to agree. I expect people to hold a minute silence if they want to. I don’t think doing so at w football game is in keeping with the nature of attending a football game (exceptions as previously stated). Why do you feel the need to force those who don’t agree with you into silence? You as an individual want a silence. Doesn’t mean everyone else should be forced to keep silent. You can hold your own minutes silence amongst the noise of a football game.
And you’re back to insults. I’ll not stoop to your level.
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'forced to keep silent' once again your ridiculous strawman.
Is somebody forcing you not to write to your club? Your MP? Is somebody forcing you to go to a game?
If you feel this strongly about being 'forced' to do something, what have you done about it exactly? I have asked you several times but no response.
As for your fans:
https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/18/celtic-fans-sing-if-you-hate-the-royal-family-clap-your-hands-17399517/amp/
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Well my local club have not had a home game and neither have Celtic, so as clubs they have compelled nothing.
My fans 😂😂😂
What do you think about that? Are you offended?
I am not a member of that fans group, nor am I a representative.
Forced to keep silent appears to make you feel uncomfortable, perhaps as this framing highlights the ridiculousness of the concept of them at football games for someone completely unconnected to the relevant clubs.
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It doesn't make me feel anything - seems you're happy to introduce ad hominems where you feel they're appropriate.
The idea that people are being forced to do anything is fallacious, highlighted by the fact you haven't even appear to have made your voice heard beyond some whining on this forum.
posted on 19/9/22
"Celtic boss Ange Postecoglou had urged the club’s fans to respect the minute’s applause before the game."
"Well my local club have not had a home game and neither have Celtic, so as clubs they have compelled nothing."
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Celtic didn’t have a minutes applause, St Mirren did. And from what I could tell there was applause from the Celtic fans.
I don’t expect others to agree. I expect people to hold a minute silence if they want to. I don’t think doing so at w football game is in keeping with the nature of attending a football game (exceptions as previously stated). Why do you feel the need to force those who don’t agree with you into silence? You as an individual want a silence. Doesn’t mean everyone else should be forced to keep silent. You can hold your own minutes silence amongst the noise of a football game.
And you’re back to insults. I’ll not stoop to your level.
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'forced to keep silent' once again your ridiculous strawman.
Is somebody forcing you not to write to your club? Your MP? Is somebody forcing you to go to a game?
If you feel this strongly about being 'forced' to do something, what have you done about it exactly? I have asked you several times but no response.
As for your fans:
https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/18/celtic-fans-sing-if-you-hate-the-royal-family-clap-your-hands-17399517/amp/
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Well my local club have not had a home game and neither have Celtic, so as clubs they have compelled nothing.
My fans 😂😂😂
What do you think about that? Are you offended?
I am not a member of that fans group, nor am I a representative.
Forced to keep silent appears to make you feel uncomfortable, perhaps as this framing highlights the ridiculousness of the concept of them at football games for someone completely unconnected to the relevant clubs.
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It doesn't make me feel anything - seems you're happy to introduce ad hominems where you feel they're appropriate.
The idea that people are being forced to do anything is fallacious, highlighted by the fact you haven't even appear to have made your voice heard beyond some whining on this forum.
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I’m interpreting what you’ve posted over a number of pages. Hence “appears to”. But again nice try
What is bizarre, is you keep referring to me as “whining” and yet you appear to need to respond. Doing so invalidates any accusation of whining I’m afraid.
You appear to have no problem with clubs holding (and thus compelling) minutes silences for people completely unconnected to their club. I disagree with it. Here’s hoping you haven’t spent the bank holiday sitting trying to debate with someone you think is a “whining child”. THAT would say a lot about you.
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