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"Celtic boss Ange Postecoglou had urged the club’s fans to respect the minute’s applause before the game."


"Well my local club have not had a home game and neither have Celtic, so as clubs they have compelled nothing."


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Please see above re applauses versus silences
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I believe you said your club compelled nothing, but nice attempt to try and divert.
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That you wanted to attempt to divert away from the theoretical discussion in an attempt to point score highlights an inability to debate the merits
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I see so it's me trying to divert, and not you by separating 'forced silences' from 'forced applauses'
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Pages and pages ago I outlined the difference in my view wrt football matches when I was asked by a sensible minded poster. I suggest you go back and read it
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Another ad hominen. Thought you weren't going to stoop?

Regardless, your club urged its fans to respect the minutes applause, and they didn't. Which makes a mockery of your idea of anyone being forced do do anything.
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Where is the ad hominem? Where I called another poster sensible minded? I’m happy to be complimentary. Perhaps I should have specified as hominem attacks.

They have of course compelled nothing from me. No official statement. And what Ange said was;

“I think there’s a minute’s applause [on Sunday], we will abide by whatever obligations and responsibilities we have as a football club. We will do that in a respectful manner. We want our supporters to do the same.”

We WANT. Not we compel. Not we “urge” (as you had suggested). But nice try
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Urge is synonymous with compel in some cases such as this one. Do you really not know that?
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But he didn’t urge. He didn’t use that word. That’s the point.
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Yes, feel free to argue with every single newspaper that has reported this as urging. There's quite a lot of them that understand the intent behind the statement.
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Newspapers in misinterpreting or mis-headlining shocker!

So back to the point at hand. You are comfortable with compelled silences at football matches for certain unspecified people even if they have no collection with the club. I am not. What more is there? 🤷‍♂️
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nope
the point at hand is that you incorrectly believe people are being 'forced' into a minutes silence

the point was also that people that show up and don't observe it are behaving like children

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The act of hosting a minutes silence is compelling those who are present to adhere to it. You think that’s fine at football. I don’t (exceptions aside as previously covered).

You think people making noise during a minute silence is childish. I don’t have strong views either way on whether it is “childish” or not, but given you, by your own interpretation, have engaged in debate with a child for hours on here, I’m not sure I’d take your steer on what is and isn’t childish.
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I don't really care whether you'd take my steer or not. The fact you haven't written to your club/MP when you feel strongly that people are being forced into something against their will isn't something I have on my conscience.
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Just the desire for compelled silences at football games for certain unspecified things that you like, and the add
hominem attacks(?) on your conscience 👍

Hope you get the chance to get out and enjoy the fresh air. It’s what I want for you 😉
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Well given that I don't think anyone is being forced to do anything there's nothing to sit on my conscience. Had you written to your club or MP I might have taken notice of what you are saying.

And a nice ad hominen at the end, because you of course, don't stoop.

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"Celtic boss Ange Postecoglou had urged the club’s fans to respect the minute’s applause before the game."


"Well my local club have not had a home game and neither have Celtic, so as clubs they have compelled nothing."


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Please see above re applauses versus silences
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I believe you said your club compelled nothing, but nice attempt to try and divert.
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That you wanted to attempt to divert away from the theoretical discussion in an attempt to point score highlights an inability to debate the merits
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I see so it's me trying to divert, and not you by separating 'forced silences' from 'forced applauses'
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Pages and pages ago I outlined the difference in my view wrt football matches when I was asked by a sensible minded poster. I suggest you go back and read it
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Another ad hominen. Thought you weren't going to stoop?

Regardless, your club urged its fans to respect the minutes applause, and they didn't. Which makes a mockery of your idea of anyone being forced do do anything.
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Where is the ad hominem? Where I called another poster sensible minded? I’m happy to be complimentary. Perhaps I should have specified as hominem attacks.

They have of course compelled nothing from me. No official statement. And what Ange said was;

“I think there’s a minute’s applause [on Sunday], we will abide by whatever obligations and responsibilities we have as a football club. We will do that in a respectful manner. We want our supporters to do the same.”

We WANT. Not we compel. Not we “urge” (as you had suggested). But nice try
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Urge is synonymous with compel in some cases such as this one. Do you really not know that?
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But he didn’t urge. He didn’t use that word. That’s the point.
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Yes, feel free to argue with every single newspaper that has reported this as urging. There's quite a lot of them that understand the intent behind the statement.
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Newspapers in misinterpreting or mis-headlining shocker!

So back to the point at hand. You are comfortable with compelled silences at football matches for certain unspecified people even if they have no collection with the club. I am not. What more is there? 🤷‍♂️
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nope
the point at hand is that you incorrectly believe people are being 'forced' into a minutes silence

the point was also that people that show up and don't observe it are behaving like children

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The act of hosting a minutes silence is compelling those who are present to adhere to it. You think that’s fine at football. I don’t (exceptions aside as previously covered).

You think people making noise during a minute silence is childish. I don’t have strong views either way on whether it is “childish” or not, but given you, by your own interpretation, have engaged in debate with a child for hours on here, I’m not sure I’d take your steer on what is and isn’t childish.
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I don't really care whether you'd take my steer or not. The fact you haven't written to your club/MP when you feel strongly that people are being forced into something against their will isn't something I have on my conscience.
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Just the desire for compelled silences at football games for certain unspecified things that you like, and the add
hominem attacks(?) on your conscience 👍

Hope you get the chance to get out and enjoy the fresh air. It’s what I want for you 😉
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Well given that I don't think anyone is being forced to do anything there's nothing to sit on my conscience. Had you written to your club or MP I might have taken notice of what you are saying.

And a nice ad hominen at the end, because you of course, don't stoop.
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Not taken notice 😂😂😂 mate you’re about 50 comments too late for that narrative.

Ad hominem attacks I don’t like, I’m just keen for you to get some fresh air, can hardly be considered an attack. But hey, you do you comrade.

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"Celtic boss Ange Postecoglou had urged the club’s fans to respect the minute’s applause before the game."


"Well my local club have not had a home game and neither have Celtic, so as clubs they have compelled nothing."


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Please see above re applauses versus silences
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I believe you said your club compelled nothing, but nice attempt to try and divert.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That you wanted to attempt to divert away from the theoretical discussion in an attempt to point score highlights an inability to debate the merits
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I see so it's me trying to divert, and not you by separating 'forced silences' from 'forced applauses'
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Pages and pages ago I outlined the difference in my view wrt football matches when I was asked by a sensible minded poster. I suggest you go back and read it
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Another ad hominen. Thought you weren't going to stoop?

Regardless, your club urged its fans to respect the minutes applause, and they didn't. Which makes a mockery of your idea of anyone being forced do do anything.
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Where is the ad hominem? Where I called another poster sensible minded? I’m happy to be complimentary. Perhaps I should have specified as hominem attacks.

They have of course compelled nothing from me. No official statement. And what Ange said was;

“I think there’s a minute’s applause [on Sunday], we will abide by whatever obligations and responsibilities we have as a football club. We will do that in a respectful manner. We want our supporters to do the same.”

We WANT. Not we compel. Not we “urge” (as you had suggested). But nice try
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Urge is synonymous with compel in some cases such as this one. Do you really not know that?
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But he didn’t urge. He didn’t use that word. That’s the point.
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Yes, feel free to argue with every single newspaper that has reported this as urging. There's quite a lot of them that understand the intent behind the statement.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Newspapers in misinterpreting or mis-headlining shocker!

So back to the point at hand. You are comfortable with compelled silences at football matches for certain unspecified people even if they have no collection with the club. I am not. What more is there? 🤷‍♂️
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nope
the point at hand is that you incorrectly believe people are being 'forced' into a minutes silence

the point was also that people that show up and don't observe it are behaving like children

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The act of hosting a minutes silence is compelling those who are present to adhere to it. You think that’s fine at football. I don’t (exceptions aside as previously covered).

You think people making noise during a minute silence is childish. I don’t have strong views either way on whether it is “childish” or not, but given you, by your own interpretation, have engaged in debate with a child for hours on here, I’m not sure I’d take your steer on what is and isn’t childish.
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I don't really care whether you'd take my steer or not. The fact you haven't written to your club/MP when you feel strongly that people are being forced into something against their will isn't something I have on my conscience.
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Just the desire for compelled silences at football games for certain unspecified things that you like, and the add
hominem attacks(?) on your conscience 👍

Hope you get the chance to get out and enjoy the fresh air. It’s what I want for you 😉
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Well given that I don't think anyone is being forced to do anything there's nothing to sit on my conscience. Had you written to your club or MP I might have taken notice of what you are saying.

And a nice ad hominen at the end, because you of course, don't stoop.
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Not taken notice 😂😂😂 mate you’re about 50 comments too late for that narrative.

Ad hominem attacks I don’t like, I’m just keen for you to get some fresh air, can hardly be considered an attack. But hey, you do you comrade.
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Well it's clearly a sly attack, but like everything else in this thread, you don't have a problem being dishonest and crying wolf.

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"Celtic boss Ange Postecoglou had urged the club’s fans to respect the minute’s applause before the game."


"Well my local club have not had a home game and neither have Celtic, so as clubs they have compelled nothing."


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Please see above re applauses versus silences
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I believe you said your club compelled nothing, but nice attempt to try and divert.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That you wanted to attempt to divert away from the theoretical discussion in an attempt to point score highlights an inability to debate the merits
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I see so it's me trying to divert, and not you by separating 'forced silences' from 'forced applauses'
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Pages and pages ago I outlined the difference in my view wrt football matches when I was asked by a sensible minded poster. I suggest you go back and read it
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Another ad hominen. Thought you weren't going to stoop?

Regardless, your club urged its fans to respect the minutes applause, and they didn't. Which makes a mockery of your idea of anyone being forced do do anything.
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Where is the ad hominem? Where I called another poster sensible minded? I’m happy to be complimentary. Perhaps I should have specified as hominem attacks.

They have of course compelled nothing from me. No official statement. And what Ange said was;

“I think there’s a minute’s applause [on Sunday], we will abide by whatever obligations and responsibilities we have as a football club. We will do that in a respectful manner. We want our supporters to do the same.”

We WANT. Not we compel. Not we “urge” (as you had suggested). But nice try
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Urge is synonymous with compel in some cases such as this one. Do you really not know that?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But he didn’t urge. He didn’t use that word. That’s the point.
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Yes, feel free to argue with every single newspaper that has reported this as urging. There's quite a lot of them that understand the intent behind the statement.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Newspapers in misinterpreting or mis-headlining shocker!

So back to the point at hand. You are comfortable with compelled silences at football matches for certain unspecified people even if they have no collection with the club. I am not. What more is there? 🤷‍♂️
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nope
the point at hand is that you incorrectly believe people are being 'forced' into a minutes silence

the point was also that people that show up and don't observe it are behaving like children

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The act of hosting a minutes silence is compelling those who are present to adhere to it. You think that’s fine at football. I don’t (exceptions aside as previously covered).

You think people making noise during a minute silence is childish. I don’t have strong views either way on whether it is “childish” or not, but given you, by your own interpretation, have engaged in debate with a child for hours on here, I’m not sure I’d take your steer on what is and isn’t childish.
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I don't really care whether you'd take my steer or not. The fact you haven't written to your club/MP when you feel strongly that people are being forced into something against their will isn't something I have on my conscience.
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Just the desire for compelled silences at football games for certain unspecified things that you like, and the add
hominem attacks(?) on your conscience 👍

Hope you get the chance to get out and enjoy the fresh air. It’s what I want for you 😉
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Well given that I don't think anyone is being forced to do anything there's nothing to sit on my conscience. Had you written to your club or MP I might have taken notice of what you are saying.

And a nice ad hominen at the end, because you of course, don't stoop.
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Not taken notice 😂😂😂 mate you’re about 50 comments too late for that narrative.

Ad hominem attacks I don’t like, I’m just keen for you to get some fresh air, can hardly be considered an attack. But hey, you do you comrade.
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Well it's clearly a sly attack, but like everything else in this thread, you don't have a problem being dishonest and crying wolf.
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What was the sly attack? If it’s clear, then it’s not particularly sly is it? Where have I cried wolf or been dishonest?

And there was genuinely no attack, I really do wish for you to get out and get some fresh air, it’s good for you. You can take that as an attack if you want, but that’s not what is intended.

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"Celtic boss Ange Postecoglou had urged the club’s fans to respect the minute’s applause before the game."


"Well my local club have not had a home game and neither have Celtic, so as clubs they have compelled nothing."


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Please see above re applauses versus silences
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I believe you said your club compelled nothing, but nice attempt to try and divert.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That you wanted to attempt to divert away from the theoretical discussion in an attempt to point score highlights an inability to debate the merits
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I see so it's me trying to divert, and not you by separating 'forced silences' from 'forced applauses'
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Pages and pages ago I outlined the difference in my view wrt football matches when I was asked by a sensible minded poster. I suggest you go back and read it
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Another ad hominen. Thought you weren't going to stoop?

Regardless, your club urged its fans to respect the minutes applause, and they didn't. Which makes a mockery of your idea of anyone being forced do do anything.
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Where is the ad hominem? Where I called another poster sensible minded? I’m happy to be complimentary. Perhaps I should have specified as hominem attacks.

They have of course compelled nothing from me. No official statement. And what Ange said was;

“I think there’s a minute’s applause [on Sunday], we will abide by whatever obligations and responsibilities we have as a football club. We will do that in a respectful manner. We want our supporters to do the same.”

We WANT. Not we compel. Not we “urge” (as you had suggested). But nice try
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Urge is synonymous with compel in some cases such as this one. Do you really not know that?
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But he didn’t urge. He didn’t use that word. That’s the point.
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Yes, feel free to argue with every single newspaper that has reported this as urging. There's quite a lot of them that understand the intent behind the statement.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Newspapers in misinterpreting or mis-headlining shocker!

So back to the point at hand. You are comfortable with compelled silences at football matches for certain unspecified people even if they have no collection with the club. I am not. What more is there? 🤷‍♂️
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nope
the point at hand is that you incorrectly believe people are being 'forced' into a minutes silence

the point was also that people that show up and don't observe it are behaving like children

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The act of hosting a minutes silence is compelling those who are present to adhere to it. You think that’s fine at football. I don’t (exceptions aside as previously covered).

You think people making noise during a minute silence is childish. I don’t have strong views either way on whether it is “childish” or not, but given you, by your own interpretation, have engaged in debate with a child for hours on here, I’m not sure I’d take your steer on what is and isn’t childish.
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I don't really care whether you'd take my steer or not. The fact you haven't written to your club/MP when you feel strongly that people are being forced into something against their will isn't something I have on my conscience.
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Just the desire for compelled silences at football games for certain unspecified things that you like, and the add
hominem attacks(?) on your conscience 👍

Hope you get the chance to get out and enjoy the fresh air. It’s what I want for you 😉
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Well given that I don't think anyone is being forced to do anything there's nothing to sit on my conscience. Had you written to your club or MP I might have taken notice of what you are saying.

And a nice ad hominen at the end, because you of course, don't stoop.
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Not taken notice 😂😂😂 mate you’re about 50 comments too late for that narrative.

Ad hominem attacks I don’t like, I’m just keen for you to get some fresh air, can hardly be considered an attack. But hey, you do you comrade.
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Well it's clearly a sly attack, but like everything else in this thread, you don't have a problem being dishonest and crying wolf.
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What was the sly attack? If it’s clear, then it’s not particularly sly is it? Where have I cried wolf or been dishonest?
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Ooh you want a debate about it

🤷‍♂️