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comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 1 minute ago
i think you ppl need to realise how prevalent PEDs are in professional football
a huge % of pro footballers have done or do PEDs
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the amount of people using some type of gear in any sport let a,one pro's would shock a lot of people.
I have tried them. I am not against them (in por sports yes of course I am) used correctly they can enhance you life massively.
If I had enough money I would still be on something (most likely just a testosterone programme
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This explains a few things. I will leave it there though, you seem quite angry today Whodunnit. Let’s just be mates?
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seems about right ... you make a claim then refuse to explain or back it up then try and change the subject.
just squirm away into your corner if you wanna be like that.
it is what it is. im good
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But you don’t debate, you just state the same thing over and over claiming you’re right and attempt to belittle anyone who disagrees.
You get aersey with me because I just stay on point which highlights your pettiness
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i know its almost as if Im trying to get you to answer to your claims but you refuse and keep squirming of on tangents.
we all know your type, you like to just say stuff whether you know its true or not and then get pulled up up on it and take zero responsibility and instead of saying you just said it without checking you just squirm squirm.
I have only spoken to you in regards to two subjects.
Maradonna's lack of PED use
and the stuff about Rabiot being a bit part player for club and country.
neither were true and you took offence to being corrected.
Iv said feel free to point out anything I say that is wrong.
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Whereas the point in both those conversations is that Rabiot would t play if Kante and Pogba were fit - which you refuse to acknowledge and that 1986 PED’s could not alone make Maradona the player he was - which you refuse to acknowledge.
Instead you keep trying to twist the argument into a completely separate question.
You need to calm down saaaaan, you will give yourself a Sean Connery otherwise
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load bullSchit.
"no one has said that they alone could do anything.
your creating new arguments and trying to amalgamate it into the previous points.
facts are facts, PEDS help you in many ways not just fitness. they improve your ability, technique, decision making etc....
Mardanna used illegal methods to improve himself as a footballer, fact.
You have a lot to say about his PED use and its benefits, quite imptessive saying as you only found out 5mins ago that he used them!"
thank you for proving my point. you made a point, was corrected on it, tried to manipulate that point into a claim no one made and seem to be still peddlling that agenda.
no one has claimed PEDs alone improve you ability, i already said this and have quoted it above.
all you have done here is prove me right
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posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 1 minute ago
i think you ppl need to realise how prevalent PEDs are in professional football
a huge % of pro footballers have done or do PEDs
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the amount of people using some type of gear in any sport let a,one pro's would shock a lot of people.
I have tried them. I am not against them (in por sports yes of course I am) used correctly they can enhance you life massively.
If I had enough money I would still be on something (most likely just a testosterone programme
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This explains a few things. I will leave it there though, you seem quite angry today Whodunnit. Let’s just be mates?
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seems about right ... you make a claim then refuse to explain or back it up then try and change the subject.
just squirm away into your corner if you wanna be like that.
it is what it is. im good
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But you don’t debate, you just state the same thing over and over claiming you’re right and attempt to belittle anyone who disagrees.
You get aersey with me because I just stay on point which highlights your pettiness
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i know its almost as if Im trying to get you to answer to your claims but you refuse and keep squirming of on tangents.
we all know your type, you like to just say stuff whether you know its true or not and then get pulled up up on it and take zero responsibility and instead of saying you just said it without checking you just squirm squirm.
I have only spoken to you in regards to two subjects.
Maradonna's lack of PED use
and the stuff about Rabiot being a bit part player for club and country.
neither were true and you took offence to being corrected.
Iv said feel free to point out anything I say that is wrong.
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Whereas the point in both those conversations is that Rabiot would t play if Kante and Pogba were fit - which you refuse to acknowledge and that 1986 PED’s could not alone make Maradona the player he was - which you refuse to acknowledge.
Instead you keep trying to twist the argument into a completely separate question.
You need to calm down saaaaan, you will give yourself a Sean Connery otherwise
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load bullSchit.
"no one has said that they alone could do anything.
your creating new arguments and trying to amalgamate it into the previous points.
facts are facts, PEDS help you in many ways not just fitness. they improve your ability, technique, decision making etc....
Mardanna used illegal methods to improve himself as a footballer, fact.
You have a lot to say about his PED use and its benefits, quite imptessive saying as you only found out 5mins ago that he used them!"
thank you for proving my point. you made a point, was corrected on it, tried to manipulate that point into a claim no one made and seem to be still peddlling that agenda.
no one has claimed PEDs alone improve you ability, i already said this and have quoted it above.
all you have done here is prove me right
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That’s right, you have been proven right in your eyes, so no need to be so angry anymore is there dear. Now why don’t you go and have a nice cup of tea and a lie down and let the grown ups talk.
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
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load bullSchit.
"no one has said that they alone could do anything.
your creating new arguments and trying to amalgamate it into the previous points.
facts are facts, PEDS help you in many ways not just fitness. they improve your ability, technique, decision making etc....
Mardanna used illegal methods to improve himself as a footballer, fact.
You have a lot to say about his PED use and its benefits, quite imptessive saying as you only found out 5mins ago that he used them!"
thank you for proving my point. you made a point, was corrected on it, tried to manipulate that point into a claim no one made and seem to be still peddlling that agenda.
no one has claimed PEDs alone improve you ability, i already said this and have quoted it above.
all you have done here is prove me right
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That’s right, you have been proven right in your eyes, so no need to be so angry anymore is there dear. Now why don’t you go and have a nice cup of tea and a lie down and let the grown ups talk.
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apology accepted.
thank your for gloriously proving my point.
feel free to quote any inaccuracies on my part. its all about education and if im incorrect about things I would like to know the truth.
much like I have done for yourself.
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posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
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load bullSchit.
"no one has said that they alone could do anything.
your creating new arguments and trying to amalgamate it into the previous points.
facts are facts, PEDS help you in many ways not just fitness. they improve your ability, technique, decision making etc....
Mardanna used illegal methods to improve himself as a footballer, fact.
You have a lot to say about his PED use and its benefits, quite imptessive saying as you only found out 5mins ago that he used them!"
thank you for proving my point. you made a point, was corrected on it, tried to manipulate that point into a claim no one made and seem to be still peddlling that agenda.
no one has claimed PEDs alone improve you ability, i already said this and have quoted it above.
all you have done here is prove me right
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That’s right, you have been proven right in your eyes, so no need to be so angry anymore is there dear. Now why don’t you go and have a nice cup of tea and a lie down and let the grown ups talk.
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apology accepted.
thank your for gloriously proving my point.
feel free to quote any inaccuracies on my part. its all about education and if im incorrect about things I would like to know the truth.
much like I have done for yourself.
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Yes that’s right
Diego Maradona was the greatest their ever was, and the greatest their ever will be.
The hand of God only cemented his legend in many countries, and only soured his reputation in one.
As for the performance enhancements, everyone who played in Italy in the 80s and 90s were given regular injections to boost performance. I suspect that was the case in many leagues, and I'm sure many players up to and including today seek out performance enhancing stimulants the blur the lines in regards legality.
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 55 seconds ago
Diego Maradona was the greatest their ever was, and the greatest their ever will be.
The hand of God only cemented his legend in many countries, and only soured his reputation in one.
As for the performance enhancements, everyone who played in Italy in the 80s and 90s were given regular injections to boost performance. I suspect that was the case in many leagues, and I'm sure many players up to and including today seek out performance enhancing stimulants the blur the lines in regards legality.
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Well said, I fully agree
Maradona was done for EPO.
possibly the most effective PED to use for cardio improvement and recovery. An extremely powerful nand potent PED.
Ivan is correct however Italy in the 90s was rife with gear use absolutely rife.
but in terms of modern day like I said it would shock people the amount of pro athletes that get TUPE's to allow them to take banned substances.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 5 minutes ago
Maradona was done for EPO.
possibly the most effective PED to use for cardio improvement and recovery. An extremely powerful nand potent PED.
Ivan is correct however Italy in the 90s was rife with gear use absolutely rife.
but in terms of modern day like I said it would shock people the amount of pro athletes that get TUPE's to allow them to take banned substances.
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Doesn’t stop Maradona being the best player ever though does it
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 5 minutes ago
Maradona was done for EPO.
possibly the most effective PED to use for cardio improvement and recovery. An extremely powerful nand potent PED.
Ivan is correct however Italy in the 90s was rife with gear use absolutely rife.
but in terms of modern day like I said it would shock people the amount of pro athletes that get TUPE's to allow them to take banned substances.
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Doesn’t stop Maradona being the best player ever though does it
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in your opinion. I think Messi (and his gorwth hormones) supersede him.
Up until Messi's career I had Maradona down as the greatest.
the question is would he have been as good without the gear (100% no) would he have been the greatest without them? we cannot say for 100%.
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comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 5 minutes ago
Maradona was done for EPO.
possibly the most effective PED to use for cardio improvement and recovery. An extremely powerful nand potent PED.
Ivan is correct however Italy in the 90s was rife with gear use absolutely rife.
but in terms of modern day like I said it would shock people the amount of pro athletes that get TUPE's to allow them to take banned substances.
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Doesn’t stop Maradona being the best player ever though does it
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in your opinion. I think Messi (and his gorwth hormones) supersede him.
Up until Messi's career I had Maradona down as the greatest.
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Well let’s not argue about that as neither of us can be proven right or wrong on who was the best
Ffs don’t mention TUPE to a rangers fan
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 49 seconds ago
Ffs don’t mention TUPE to a rangers fan
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would worked Silver if the only guy that was bringing it up wasnt a gers man !!
Popeye was the greatest user and promoter of PEDs and helped millions of parents encourage their kids to "eat their greens".
I'd say both Pele and Maradona are over rated, not by their peak ability, but by the fact they didn't achieve half of what many others have.
Ronaldo and Messi have put up superior numbers over much longer periods of time but Maradona was just so unique and unplayable at times. Public like a bad boy who makes it and plays with some swagger.
Bang on the gear, and later on PEDs, so difficult to say how much of his talent he wasted. Fact he spent years at Barca and then Napoli off his nut is comical though 😂 game was so corrupt then it's mental.
Genius 100% but like George best, people judge them on their peak moments rather than what they did, or didn't, achieve over their careers. Unpopular opinion, I'd say Best and Maradona both wasted their talent. Even Pele I'd say the same as he didn't leave Brazil til late.
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 23 minutes ago
I'd say both Pele and Maradona are over rated, not by their peak ability, but by the fact they didn't achieve half of what many others have.
Ronaldo and Messi have put up superior numbers over much longer periods of time but Maradona was just so unique and unplayable at times. Public like a bad boy who makes it and plays with some swagger.
Bang on the gear, and later on PEDs, so difficult to say how much of his talent he wasted. Fact he spent years at Barca and then Napoli off his nut is comical though 😂 game was so corrupt then it's mental.
Genius 100% but like George best, people judge them on their peak moments rather than what they did, or didn't, achieve over their careers. Unpopular opinion, I'd say Best and Maradona both wasted their talent. Even Pele I'd say the same as he didn't leave Brazil til late.
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Numbers shmumbers - Maradona dragged a relatively poor Argentina side to 2 World Cup finals and won 1. Messi is great but the Argentine people do not love him like they love Diego.
Napoli absolutely adore him also, dragged them to two titles and a UEFA cup when all they had won previous to him was a couple of Italian cups.
Do not know why R9 is not getting a look in - World Cup winner in 94, runner up 98, winner 02. Copa America runner up 95, Copa America winner in 97 and 99. Also won: Dutch cup, Spanish cup, Cup winners cup, UEFA cup, Brazilian cup x 2, La Liga x2, world club championship - what a player
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 23 minutes ago
I'd say both Pele and Maradona are over rated, not by their peak ability, but by the fact they didn't achieve half of what many others have.
Ronaldo and Messi have put up superior numbers over much longer periods of time but Maradona was just so unique and unplayable at times. Public like a bad boy who makes it and plays with some swagger.
Bang on the gear, and later on PEDs, so difficult to say how much of his talent he wasted. Fact he spent years at Barca and then Napoli off his nut is comical though 😂 game was so corrupt then it's mental.
Genius 100% but like George best, people judge them on their peak moments rather than what they did, or didn't, achieve over their careers. Unpopular opinion, I'd say Best and Maradona both wasted their talent. Even Pele I'd say the same as he didn't leave Brazil til late.
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Numbers shmumbers - Maradona dragged a relatively poor Argentina side to 2 World Cup finals and won 1. Messi is great but the Argentine people do not love him like they love Diego.
Napoli absolutely adore him also, dragged them to two titles and a UEFA cup when all they had won previous to him was a couple of Italian cups.
Do not know why R9 is not getting a look in - World Cup winner in 94, runner up 98, winner 02. Copa America runner up 95, Copa America winner in 97 and 99. Also won: Dutch cup, Spanish cup, Cup winners cup, UEFA cup, Brazilian cup x 2, La Liga x2, world club championship - what a player
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R9 was mentioned in the OP
George best spent a fortune on drink, loose women, an fast cars...
Word is he just squandered the rest...
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posted 18 minutes ago
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 23 minutes ago
I'd say both Pele and Maradona are over rated, not by their peak ability, but by the fact they didn't achieve half of what many others have.
Ronaldo and Messi have put up superior numbers over much longer periods of time but Maradona was just so unique and unplayable at times. Public like a bad boy who makes it and plays with some swagger.
Bang on the gear, and later on PEDs, so difficult to say how much of his talent he wasted. Fact he spent years at Barca and then Napoli off his nut is comical though 😂 game was so corrupt then it's mental.
Genius 100% but like George best, people judge them on their peak moments rather than what they did, or didn't, achieve over their careers. Unpopular opinion, I'd say Best and Maradona both wasted their talent. Even Pele I'd say the same as he didn't leave Brazil til late.
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Numbers shmumbers - Maradona dragged a relatively poor Argentina side to 2 World Cup finals and won 1. Messi is great but the Argentine people do not love him like they love Diego.
Napoli absolutely adore him also, dragged them to two titles and a UEFA cup when all they had won previous to him was a couple of Italian cups.
Do not know why R9 is not getting a look in - World Cup winner in 94, runner up 98, winner 02. Copa America runner up 95, Copa America winner in 97 and 99. Also won: Dutch cup, Spanish cup, Cup winners cup, UEFA cup, Brazilian cup x 2, La Liga x2, world club championship - what a player
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R9 was mentioned in the OP
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I know, but no one shouting his name below the line. Growing up he was the player we all wanted to be in the playground, brilliant baller
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posted 6 minutes ago
I know, but no one shouting his name below the line. Growing up he was the player we all wanted to be in the playground, brilliant baller
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Asking the dentist to put your braces the wrong way round so you look like R9
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 6 minutes ago
I know, but no one shouting his name below the line. Growing up he was the player we all wanted to be in the playground, brilliant baller
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Asking the dentist to put your braces the wrong way round so you look like R9
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Going to the barbers and asking for a phanny cut
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comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 6 minutes ago
I know, but no one shouting his name below the line. Growing up he was the player we all wanted to be in the playground, brilliant baller
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Asking the dentist to put your braces the wrong way round so you look like R9
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Going to the barbers and asking for a phanny cut
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then finding out you already had one
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comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 6 minutes ago
I know, but no one shouting his name below the line. Growing up he was the player we all wanted to be in the playground, brilliant baller
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Asking the dentist to put your braces the wrong way round so you look like R9
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Going to the barbers and asking for a phanny cut
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then finding out you already had one
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Did you?
Jeez....
Always difficult comparing players across different generations but this feels very typical of the modern day fan, who seems somewhat obsessed by 'numbers' or stats.
The fact is Diego Maradona, and players of his generation, were assaulted on a weekly basis on the football park. Go back and watch the England game in 86. The tackles he endured would have had the game abandoned before half time if it was to take place now.
The likes of Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo have been wonderful players and are quite rightly talked about in the same breath as the other true greats of the game. But we can't pretend they haven't been massively helped by the developments in the laws on tackling alongside various improvements in sports science.
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 25 seconds ago
Jeez....
Always difficult comparing players across different generations but this feels very typical of the modern day fan, who seems somewhat obsessed by 'numbers' or stats.
The fact is Diego Maradona, and players of his generation, were assaulted on a weekly basis on the football park. Go back and watch the England game in 86. The tackles he endured would have had the game abandoned before half time if it was to take place now.
The likes of Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo have been wonderful players and are quite rightly talked about in the same breath as the other true greats of the game. But we can't pretend they haven't been massively helped by the developments in the laws on tackling alongside various improvements in sports science.
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for me its nigh on impossible to compare.
I also think the level of player is miles higher now than it used to be.
far too many variables to be fair to try and communicate it properly on here.
the game is completey different now to what it was then. rules, the game itself, the players.
Obv I cannot prove it but if you straight up lifted the great 70's Brazil team to play the current Scotland team (with todays rules equipment) the brazil team would get skelped IMO.
the fitness levels of players now is night and day, the prep into games in a complete different league.
Im not saying the scotland teams is any better but its just a different game now its evolved so much more.
thats not to say modern day footballers couldnt cope if they were transported back in time and played a game and wouldnt have a clue where to look whilst getting volleyed up and down the park !
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posted 11 seconds ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 1 minute ago
i think you ppl need to realise how prevalent PEDs are in professional football
a huge % of pro footballers have done or do PEDs
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the amount of people using some type of gear in any sport let a,one pro's would shock a lot of people.
I have tried them. I am not against them (in por sports yes of course I am) used correctly they can enhance you life massively.
If I had enough money I would still be on something (most likely just a testosterone programme
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This explains a few things. I will leave it there though, you seem quite angry today Whodunnit. Let’s just be mates?
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seems about right ... you make a claim then refuse to explain or back it up then try and change the subject.
just squirm away into your corner if you wanna be like that.
it is what it is. im good
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But you don’t debate, you just state the same thing over and over claiming you’re right and attempt to belittle anyone who disagrees.
You get aersey with me because I just stay on point which highlights your pettiness
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i know its almost as if Im trying to get you to answer to your claims but you refuse and keep squirming of on tangents.
we all know your type, you like to just say stuff whether you know its true or not and then get pulled up up on it and take zero responsibility and instead of saying you just said it without checking you just squirm squirm.
I have only spoken to you in regards to two subjects.
Maradonna's lack of PED use
and the stuff about Rabiot being a bit part player for club and country.
neither were true and you took offence to being corrected.
Iv said feel free to point out anything I say that is wrong.
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Whereas the point in both those conversations is that Rabiot would t play if Kante and Pogba were fit - which you refuse to acknowledge and that 1986 PED’s could not alone make Maradona the player he was - which you refuse to acknowledge.
Instead you keep trying to twist the argument into a completely separate question.
You need to calm down saaaaan, you will give yourself a Sean Connery otherwise
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load bullSchit.
"no one has said that they alone could do anything.
your creating new arguments and trying to amalgamate it into the previous points.
facts are facts, PEDS help you in many ways not just fitness. they improve your ability, technique, decision making etc....
Mardanna used illegal methods to improve himself as a footballer, fact.
You have a lot to say about his PED use and its benefits, quite imptessive saying as you only found out 5mins ago that he used them!"
thank you for proving my point. you made a point, was corrected on it, tried to manipulate that point into a claim no one made and seem to be still peddlling that agenda.
no one has claimed PEDs alone improve you ability, i already said this and have quoted it above.
all you have done here is prove me right
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posted 11 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 1 minute ago
i think you ppl need to realise how prevalent PEDs are in professional football
a huge % of pro footballers have done or do PEDs
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the amount of people using some type of gear in any sport let a,one pro's would shock a lot of people.
I have tried them. I am not against them (in por sports yes of course I am) used correctly they can enhance you life massively.
If I had enough money I would still be on something (most likely just a testosterone programme
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This explains a few things. I will leave it there though, you seem quite angry today Whodunnit. Let’s just be mates?
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seems about right ... you make a claim then refuse to explain or back it up then try and change the subject.
just squirm away into your corner if you wanna be like that.
it is what it is. im good
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But you don’t debate, you just state the same thing over and over claiming you’re right and attempt to belittle anyone who disagrees.
You get aersey with me because I just stay on point which highlights your pettiness
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i know its almost as if Im trying to get you to answer to your claims but you refuse and keep squirming of on tangents.
we all know your type, you like to just say stuff whether you know its true or not and then get pulled up up on it and take zero responsibility and instead of saying you just said it without checking you just squirm squirm.
I have only spoken to you in regards to two subjects.
Maradonna's lack of PED use
and the stuff about Rabiot being a bit part player for club and country.
neither were true and you took offence to being corrected.
Iv said feel free to point out anything I say that is wrong.
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Whereas the point in both those conversations is that Rabiot would t play if Kante and Pogba were fit - which you refuse to acknowledge and that 1986 PED’s could not alone make Maradona the player he was - which you refuse to acknowledge.
Instead you keep trying to twist the argument into a completely separate question.
You need to calm down saaaaan, you will give yourself a Sean Connery otherwise
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load bullSchit.
"no one has said that they alone could do anything.
your creating new arguments and trying to amalgamate it into the previous points.
facts are facts, PEDS help you in many ways not just fitness. they improve your ability, technique, decision making etc....
Mardanna used illegal methods to improve himself as a footballer, fact.
You have a lot to say about his PED use and its benefits, quite imptessive saying as you only found out 5mins ago that he used them!"
thank you for proving my point. you made a point, was corrected on it, tried to manipulate that point into a claim no one made and seem to be still peddlling that agenda.
no one has claimed PEDs alone improve you ability, i already said this and have quoted it above.
all you have done here is prove me right
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That’s right, you have been proven right in your eyes, so no need to be so angry anymore is there dear. Now why don’t you go and have a nice cup of tea and a lie down and let the grown ups talk.
posted on 8/12/22
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
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load bullSchit.
"no one has said that they alone could do anything.
your creating new arguments and trying to amalgamate it into the previous points.
facts are facts, PEDS help you in many ways not just fitness. they improve your ability, technique, decision making etc....
Mardanna used illegal methods to improve himself as a footballer, fact.
You have a lot to say about his PED use and its benefits, quite imptessive saying as you only found out 5mins ago that he used them!"
thank you for proving my point. you made a point, was corrected on it, tried to manipulate that point into a claim no one made and seem to be still peddlling that agenda.
no one has claimed PEDs alone improve you ability, i already said this and have quoted it above.
all you have done here is prove me right
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That’s right, you have been proven right in your eyes, so no need to be so angry anymore is there dear. Now why don’t you go and have a nice cup of tea and a lie down and let the grown ups talk.
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apology accepted.
thank your for gloriously proving my point.
feel free to quote any inaccuracies on my part. its all about education and if im incorrect about things I would like to know the truth.
much like I have done for yourself.
posted on 8/12/22
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
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load bullSchit.
"no one has said that they alone could do anything.
your creating new arguments and trying to amalgamate it into the previous points.
facts are facts, PEDS help you in many ways not just fitness. they improve your ability, technique, decision making etc....
Mardanna used illegal methods to improve himself as a footballer, fact.
You have a lot to say about his PED use and its benefits, quite imptessive saying as you only found out 5mins ago that he used them!"
thank you for proving my point. you made a point, was corrected on it, tried to manipulate that point into a claim no one made and seem to be still peddlling that agenda.
no one has claimed PEDs alone improve you ability, i already said this and have quoted it above.
all you have done here is prove me right
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That’s right, you have been proven right in your eyes, so no need to be so angry anymore is there dear. Now why don’t you go and have a nice cup of tea and a lie down and let the grown ups talk.
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apology accepted.
thank your for gloriously proving my point.
feel free to quote any inaccuracies on my part. its all about education and if im incorrect about things I would like to know the truth.
much like I have done for yourself.
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Yes that’s right
posted on 8/12/22
Diego Maradona was the greatest their ever was, and the greatest their ever will be.
The hand of God only cemented his legend in many countries, and only soured his reputation in one.
As for the performance enhancements, everyone who played in Italy in the 80s and 90s were given regular injections to boost performance. I suspect that was the case in many leagues, and I'm sure many players up to and including today seek out performance enhancing stimulants the blur the lines in regards legality.
posted on 8/12/22
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 55 seconds ago
Diego Maradona was the greatest their ever was, and the greatest their ever will be.
The hand of God only cemented his legend in many countries, and only soured his reputation in one.
As for the performance enhancements, everyone who played in Italy in the 80s and 90s were given regular injections to boost performance. I suspect that was the case in many leagues, and I'm sure many players up to and including today seek out performance enhancing stimulants the blur the lines in regards legality.
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Well said, I fully agree
posted on 8/12/22
Maradona was done for EPO.
possibly the most effective PED to use for cardio improvement and recovery. An extremely powerful nand potent PED.
Ivan is correct however Italy in the 90s was rife with gear use absolutely rife.
but in terms of modern day like I said it would shock people the amount of pro athletes that get TUPE's to allow them to take banned substances.
posted on 8/12/22
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 5 minutes ago
Maradona was done for EPO.
possibly the most effective PED to use for cardio improvement and recovery. An extremely powerful nand potent PED.
Ivan is correct however Italy in the 90s was rife with gear use absolutely rife.
but in terms of modern day like I said it would shock people the amount of pro athletes that get TUPE's to allow them to take banned substances.
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Doesn’t stop Maradona being the best player ever though does it
posted on 8/12/22
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 5 minutes ago
Maradona was done for EPO.
possibly the most effective PED to use for cardio improvement and recovery. An extremely powerful nand potent PED.
Ivan is correct however Italy in the 90s was rife with gear use absolutely rife.
but in terms of modern day like I said it would shock people the amount of pro athletes that get TUPE's to allow them to take banned substances.
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Doesn’t stop Maradona being the best player ever though does it
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in your opinion. I think Messi (and his gorwth hormones) supersede him.
Up until Messi's career I had Maradona down as the greatest.
posted on 8/12/22
the question is would he have been as good without the gear (100% no) would he have been the greatest without them? we cannot say for 100%.
posted on 8/12/22
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 5 minutes ago
Maradona was done for EPO.
possibly the most effective PED to use for cardio improvement and recovery. An extremely powerful nand potent PED.
Ivan is correct however Italy in the 90s was rife with gear use absolutely rife.
but in terms of modern day like I said it would shock people the amount of pro athletes that get TUPE's to allow them to take banned substances.
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Doesn’t stop Maradona being the best player ever though does it
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in your opinion. I think Messi (and his gorwth hormones) supersede him.
Up until Messi's career I had Maradona down as the greatest.
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Well let’s not argue about that as neither of us can be proven right or wrong on who was the best
posted on 8/12/22
Ffs don’t mention TUPE to a rangers fan
posted on 8/12/22
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 49 seconds ago
Ffs don’t mention TUPE to a rangers fan
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would worked Silver if the only guy that was bringing it up wasnt a gers man !!
posted on 8/12/22
Popeye was the greatest user and promoter of PEDs and helped millions of parents encourage their kids to "eat their greens".
posted on 8/12/22
I'd say both Pele and Maradona are over rated, not by their peak ability, but by the fact they didn't achieve half of what many others have.
Ronaldo and Messi have put up superior numbers over much longer periods of time but Maradona was just so unique and unplayable at times. Public like a bad boy who makes it and plays with some swagger.
Bang on the gear, and later on PEDs, so difficult to say how much of his talent he wasted. Fact he spent years at Barca and then Napoli off his nut is comical though 😂 game was so corrupt then it's mental.
Genius 100% but like George best, people judge them on their peak moments rather than what they did, or didn't, achieve over their careers. Unpopular opinion, I'd say Best and Maradona both wasted their talent. Even Pele I'd say the same as he didn't leave Brazil til late.
posted on 8/12/22
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 23 minutes ago
I'd say both Pele and Maradona are over rated, not by their peak ability, but by the fact they didn't achieve half of what many others have.
Ronaldo and Messi have put up superior numbers over much longer periods of time but Maradona was just so unique and unplayable at times. Public like a bad boy who makes it and plays with some swagger.
Bang on the gear, and later on PEDs, so difficult to say how much of his talent he wasted. Fact he spent years at Barca and then Napoli off his nut is comical though 😂 game was so corrupt then it's mental.
Genius 100% but like George best, people judge them on their peak moments rather than what they did, or didn't, achieve over their careers. Unpopular opinion, I'd say Best and Maradona both wasted their talent. Even Pele I'd say the same as he didn't leave Brazil til late.
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Numbers shmumbers - Maradona dragged a relatively poor Argentina side to 2 World Cup finals and won 1. Messi is great but the Argentine people do not love him like they love Diego.
Napoli absolutely adore him also, dragged them to two titles and a UEFA cup when all they had won previous to him was a couple of Italian cups.
Do not know why R9 is not getting a look in - World Cup winner in 94, runner up 98, winner 02. Copa America runner up 95, Copa America winner in 97 and 99. Also won: Dutch cup, Spanish cup, Cup winners cup, UEFA cup, Brazilian cup x 2, La Liga x2, world club championship - what a player
posted on 8/12/22
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 23 minutes ago
I'd say both Pele and Maradona are over rated, not by their peak ability, but by the fact they didn't achieve half of what many others have.
Ronaldo and Messi have put up superior numbers over much longer periods of time but Maradona was just so unique and unplayable at times. Public like a bad boy who makes it and plays with some swagger.
Bang on the gear, and later on PEDs, so difficult to say how much of his talent he wasted. Fact he spent years at Barca and then Napoli off his nut is comical though 😂 game was so corrupt then it's mental.
Genius 100% but like George best, people judge them on their peak moments rather than what they did, or didn't, achieve over their careers. Unpopular opinion, I'd say Best and Maradona both wasted their talent. Even Pele I'd say the same as he didn't leave Brazil til late.
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Numbers shmumbers - Maradona dragged a relatively poor Argentina side to 2 World Cup finals and won 1. Messi is great but the Argentine people do not love him like they love Diego.
Napoli absolutely adore him also, dragged them to two titles and a UEFA cup when all they had won previous to him was a couple of Italian cups.
Do not know why R9 is not getting a look in - World Cup winner in 94, runner up 98, winner 02. Copa America runner up 95, Copa America winner in 97 and 99. Also won: Dutch cup, Spanish cup, Cup winners cup, UEFA cup, Brazilian cup x 2, La Liga x2, world club championship - what a player
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R9 was mentioned in the OP
posted on 8/12/22
George best spent a fortune on drink, loose women, an fast cars...
Word is he just squandered the rest...
posted on 8/12/22
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 23 minutes ago
I'd say both Pele and Maradona are over rated, not by their peak ability, but by the fact they didn't achieve half of what many others have.
Ronaldo and Messi have put up superior numbers over much longer periods of time but Maradona was just so unique and unplayable at times. Public like a bad boy who makes it and plays with some swagger.
Bang on the gear, and later on PEDs, so difficult to say how much of his talent he wasted. Fact he spent years at Barca and then Napoli off his nut is comical though 😂 game was so corrupt then it's mental.
Genius 100% but like George best, people judge them on their peak moments rather than what they did, or didn't, achieve over their careers. Unpopular opinion, I'd say Best and Maradona both wasted their talent. Even Pele I'd say the same as he didn't leave Brazil til late.
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Numbers shmumbers - Maradona dragged a relatively poor Argentina side to 2 World Cup finals and won 1. Messi is great but the Argentine people do not love him like they love Diego.
Napoli absolutely adore him also, dragged them to two titles and a UEFA cup when all they had won previous to him was a couple of Italian cups.
Do not know why R9 is not getting a look in - World Cup winner in 94, runner up 98, winner 02. Copa America runner up 95, Copa America winner in 97 and 99. Also won: Dutch cup, Spanish cup, Cup winners cup, UEFA cup, Brazilian cup x 2, La Liga x2, world club championship - what a player
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R9 was mentioned in the OP
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I know, but no one shouting his name below the line. Growing up he was the player we all wanted to be in the playground, brilliant baller
posted on 8/12/22
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 6 minutes ago
I know, but no one shouting his name below the line. Growing up he was the player we all wanted to be in the playground, brilliant baller
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Asking the dentist to put your braces the wrong way round so you look like R9
posted on 8/12/22
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 6 minutes ago
I know, but no one shouting his name below the line. Growing up he was the player we all wanted to be in the playground, brilliant baller
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Asking the dentist to put your braces the wrong way round so you look like R9
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Going to the barbers and asking for a phanny cut
posted on 8/12/22
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 6 minutes ago
I know, but no one shouting his name below the line. Growing up he was the player we all wanted to be in the playground, brilliant baller
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Asking the dentist to put your braces the wrong way round so you look like R9
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Going to the barbers and asking for a phanny cut
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then finding out you already had one
posted on 8/12/22
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 6 minutes ago
I know, but no one shouting his name below the line. Growing up he was the player we all wanted to be in the playground, brilliant baller
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Asking the dentist to put your braces the wrong way round so you look like R9
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Going to the barbers and asking for a phanny cut
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then finding out you already had one
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Did you?
posted on 8/12/22
Jeez....
Always difficult comparing players across different generations but this feels very typical of the modern day fan, who seems somewhat obsessed by 'numbers' or stats.
The fact is Diego Maradona, and players of his generation, were assaulted on a weekly basis on the football park. Go back and watch the England game in 86. The tackles he endured would have had the game abandoned before half time if it was to take place now.
The likes of Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo have been wonderful players and are quite rightly talked about in the same breath as the other true greats of the game. But we can't pretend they haven't been massively helped by the developments in the laws on tackling alongside various improvements in sports science.
posted on 8/12/22
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 25 seconds ago
Jeez....
Always difficult comparing players across different generations but this feels very typical of the modern day fan, who seems somewhat obsessed by 'numbers' or stats.
The fact is Diego Maradona, and players of his generation, were assaulted on a weekly basis on the football park. Go back and watch the England game in 86. The tackles he endured would have had the game abandoned before half time if it was to take place now.
The likes of Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo have been wonderful players and are quite rightly talked about in the same breath as the other true greats of the game. But we can't pretend they haven't been massively helped by the developments in the laws on tackling alongside various improvements in sports science.
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for me its nigh on impossible to compare.
I also think the level of player is miles higher now than it used to be.
far too many variables to be fair to try and communicate it properly on here.
the game is completey different now to what it was then. rules, the game itself, the players.
Obv I cannot prove it but if you straight up lifted the great 70's Brazil team to play the current Scotland team (with todays rules equipment) the brazil team would get skelped IMO.
the fitness levels of players now is night and day, the prep into games in a complete different league.
Im not saying the scotland teams is any better but its just a different game now its evolved so much more.
thats not to say modern day footballers couldnt cope if they were transported back in time and played a game and wouldnt have a clue where to look whilst getting volleyed up and down the park !
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