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posted on 9/5/25

I’d hardly call getting scroungers off benefits an be described as ‘kicking them to the ground’.

It’s an admirable policy as long as people with real health issues aren’t wrongfully penalised

posted on 9/5/25

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 15 minutes ago
I’d hardly call getting scroungers off benefits an be described as ‘kicking them to the ground’.

It’s an admirable policy as long as people with real health issues aren’t wrongfully penalised
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It's admirable, which is why Labour MPs are rebelling

I think the danger is that, like some of their other policies, the focus seems to be on bringing in/saving money and the application is ill-considered and having widespread damaging impact on those who can ill afford it.

Take NI, The massive corps can suck up NI changes, restructure, lay some people off, relocate to India or whatever, for small businesses these cost could push them over the edge with no ability to suck it up.

Winter fuel. The average take home of a pensioner is £50 a week above state pension. This implies masses of pensioners not particularly better off than just state pension - £14.5k a year. The wealthy pensioner this is targeted at is not the masses. The masses are at the other end of the scale

Farmers. Yes there are some very wealthy land owners who have deliberately targeted agricultural land to avoid IHT but that is not the majority. The family farmer is now hit extremely hard by this in an industry that is struggling on many levels. And the impact will go well beyond farms, it hits rural communities and the rural economy.

What faith do we have that these quickly cobbled together benefit cuts are going to land where they need to and be fair?

Labour policy so far has appeared as drag net fishing - harming many things in its path while dredging for extra money.



posted on 9/5/25

Labour policy so far has appeared as drag net fishing - harming many things in its path while dredging for extra money
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I’d definitely agree with that

comment by Hector (U3606)

posted on 9/5/25

Hyperbolic bollox.

posted on 9/5/25

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 42 minutes ago
Hyperbolic bollox.

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You should have just said Fake News if you want to dismiss an argument without any reasoned explanation

posted on 9/5/25

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
I’d hardly call getting scroungers off benefits an be described as ‘kicking them to the ground’.

It’s an admirable policy as long as people with real health issues aren’t wrongfully penalised
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This is quite an unusual view to have right now. I suggest you don't go around sharing it with people as you're likely to fall out with a few.

posted on 9/5/25

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 42 minutes ago
Hyperbolic bollox.

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You should have just said Fake News if you want to dismiss an argument without any reasoned explanation


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Hector is almost in conspiracy theory territory given how far out of touch he is with everyone else

posted on 9/5/25

comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
I’d hardly call getting scroungers off benefits an be described as ‘kicking them to the ground’.

It’s an admirable policy as long as people with real health issues aren’t wrongfully penalised
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This is quite an unusual view to have right now. I suggest you don't go around sharing it with people as you're likely to fall out with a few.
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It’s the view of most of the people I know

posted on 9/5/25

comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 42 minutes ago
Hyperbolic bollox.

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You should have just said Fake News if you want to dismiss an argument without any reasoned explanation


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Hector is almost in conspiracy theory territory given how far out of touch he is with everyone else

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And he’s clearly out of his depth on here!

posted on 9/5/25

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
I’d hardly call getting scroungers off benefits an be described as ‘kicking them to the ground’.

It’s an admirable policy as long as people with real health issues aren’t wrongfully penalised
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is quite an unusual view to have right now. I suggest you don't go around sharing it with people as you're likely to fall out with a few.
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It’s the view of most of the people I know
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Given that the commentators on guardian, bbc, daily mail are all in unison in disagreeing, with you, what publications do you and most of the people you know align with?

comment by Hector (U3606)

posted on 9/5/25

comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 42 minutes ago
Hyperbolic bollox.

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You should have just said Fake News if you want to dismiss an argument without any reasoned explanation


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Hector is almost in conspiracy theory territory given how far out of touch he is with everyone else
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I'm delighted to hear I'm completely out of touch with you, great news.

posted on 9/5/25

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 42 minutes ago
Hyperbolic bollox.

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You should have just said Fake News if you want to dismiss an argument without any reasoned explanation


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Hector is almost in conspiracy theory territory given how far out of touch he is with everyone else
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I'm delighted to hear I'm completely out of touch with you, great news.
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And the left wing.

posted on 9/5/25

And everyone else in the Country.

comment by Hector (U3606)

posted on 9/5/25

comment by RED666.. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Roll on ... (U6562)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 42 minutes ago
Hyperbolic bollox.

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You should have just said Fake News if you want to dismiss an argument without any reasoned explanation


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Hector is almost in conspiracy theory territory given how far out of touch he is with everyone else

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And he’s clearly out of his depth on here!
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Yup, you bottom feeders inhabit a clique of society reserved for swivel eyed loons.

posted on 9/5/25

What's your definition of clique exactly? The vast majority of the population?

comment by Hector (U3606)

posted on 9/5/25

comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 42 minutes ago
Hyperbolic bollox.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

You should have just said Fake News if you want to dismiss an argument without any reasoned explanation


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Hector is almost in conspiracy theory territory given how far out of touch he is with everyone else
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm delighted to hear I'm completely out of touch with you, great news.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And the left wing.
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Am I Left wing? Go out and inhabit the real world for a few hours, you're clearly befuddled.

comment by Hector (U3606)

posted on 9/5/25

comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 50 seconds ago
What's your definition of clique exactly? The vast majority of the population?
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You're a minority.

posted on 9/5/25

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 42 minutes ago
Hyperbolic bollox.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

You should have just said Fake News if you want to dismiss an argument without any reasoned explanation


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Hector is almost in conspiracy theory territory given how far out of touch he is with everyone else
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm delighted to hear I'm completely out of touch with you, great news.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And the left wing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Am I Left wing? Go out and inhabit the real world for a few hours, you're clearly befuddled.
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I don't know what you are, you seem to be a political anomaly right now.

posted on 9/5/25

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 50 seconds ago
What's your definition of clique exactly? The vast majority of the population?
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You're a minority.
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Feel free to demonstrate people who are against the PIP cuts are in the minority

comment by Hector (U3606)

posted on 9/5/25

comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 42 minutes ago
Hyperbolic bollox.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

You should have just said Fake News if you want to dismiss an argument without any reasoned explanation


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Hector is almost in conspiracy theory territory given how far out of touch he is with everyone else
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm delighted to hear I'm completely out of touch with you, great news.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And the left wing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Am I Left wing? Go out and inhabit the real world for a few hours, you're clearly befuddled.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't know what you are, you seem to be a political anomaly right now.
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So why lump.me in with "and the left wing" you must have your reasoning.

posted on 9/5/25

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 42 minutes ago
Hyperbolic bollox.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

You should have just said Fake News if you want to dismiss an argument without any reasoned explanation


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Hector is almost in conspiracy theory territory given how far out of touch he is with everyone else
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm delighted to hear I'm completely out of touch with you, great news.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And the left wing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Am I Left wing? Go out and inhabit the real world for a few hours, you're clearly befuddled.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't know what you are, you seem to be a political anomaly right now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So why lump.me in with "and the left wing" you must have your reasoning.
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I didn't lump you in, I just pointed out that you don't share their views.

comment by Hector (U3606)

posted on 9/5/25

comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 50 seconds ago
What's your definition of clique exactly? The vast majority of the population?
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You're a minority.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Feel free to demonstrate people who are against the PIP cuts are in the minority
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You're making claims, back them.up.

comment by Hector (U3606)

posted on 9/5/25

comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 42 minutes ago
Hyperbolic bollox.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

You should have just said Fake News if you want to dismiss an argument without any reasoned explanation


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Hector is almost in conspiracy theory territory given how far out of touch he is with everyone else
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm delighted to hear I'm completely out of touch with you, great news.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And the left wing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Am I Left wing? Go out and inhabit the real world for a few hours, you're clearly befuddled.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't know what you are, you seem to be a political anomaly right now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So why lump.me in with "and the left wing" you must have your reasoning.
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I didn't lump you in, I just pointed out that you don't share their views.
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A disingenuous comment, how boring.

posted on 9/5/25

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 50 seconds ago
What's your definition of clique exactly? The vast majority of the population?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're a minority.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Feel free to demonstrate people who are against the PIP cuts are in the minority
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're making claims, back them.up.
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I didn't make a claim that anyone here was in a clique. Can't you demonstrate why they are using data?

comment by Hector (U3606)

posted on 9/5/25

comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by TheFactChecker (U23259)
posted 50 seconds ago
What's your definition of clique exactly? The vast majority of the population?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're a minority.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Feel free to demonstrate people who are against the PIP cuts are in the minority
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're making claims, back them.up.
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I didn't make a claim that anyone here was in a clique. Can't you demonstrate why they are using data?
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No

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