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Zelensky vs Trump and Vance

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posted on 1/3/25

comment by Cloggy (U1250)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by H von H. (U16981)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
comment by RED666.. Good to see the World is getting it R... (U6562)
posted 21 minutes ago
It was great to see Zelensky standing his ground and not sucking up to Trump as Starmer and Macron did!

Yet again it shows what Labour and Starmer are all about, considering Starmer and Mandlesons past comments about Trump plus the alleged Labour volunteers interfering in the US election and now we’ve got this cringeworthy show of affection from Starmer! 🤮
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Starmer was more diplomatic, I'll hold judgement on him until after tomorrow's European summit meeting at Downing Street.
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Agree entirely, can't wait to see what Starmer comes up with ! please surprise us Keir.

I wonder what Zelensky will be wearing !
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It would be hilarious if he turned up in an Armani suit.
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Wearing a cargo sweater and pants is an appropriate look for the president of a country at war. He has been wearing this for the past 3 years and visited every other country leader in this attire.

Zelensky’s choice of wearing a cargo sweater and military-style pants is deeply symbolic—it’s meant to show solidarity with Ukrainian soldiers and reinforce the image of a leader in wartime. He’s been wearing this look since the 2022 invasion, even when meeting world leaders, to send a message: Ukraine is at war, and I stand with my people on the front lines.

Trump is known for using personal attacks and ridicule in political debates to undermine opponents. Mocking Zelensky’s attire could serve a few purposes:

Undermining His Image – By calling out Zelensky’s consistent look, Trump might be suggesting that it’s an act rather than a necessity, trying to paint him as theatrical rather than a serious leader.

Appealing to His Base – Many of Trump’s supporters are sceptical of U.S. aid to Ukraine. Mocking Zelensky helps frame him as undeserving or unserious, reinforcing the argument that the U.S. shouldn’t be funding him.

Contrasting Leadership Styles – Trump values power displays—suits, wealth, dominance. Zelensky’s humble military attire represents a different leadership style, and Trump mocking it plays into his preference for “strongman” aesthetics.

Ultimately, it’s not about the clothes—it’s about the message behind them. Trump mocking Zelensky is part of a larger political strategy, not just fashion commentary.

Although it would be absolutely powning Trump if he wore a suit to the meeting in London this weekend, Zelensky will remain respectful because he needs help to save his country. Putting the welfare of his country before his ego, if he even has an ego.

Zelensky is everything Trump isnt, as a leader of a country and as a human being.
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I'd like to see Zelensky rock up in white tie at his next diplomatic event.

posted on 1/3/25

comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
The fundamental question now isn't about the US. We know at this point that America is at best an unreliable ally, but more probably an adversary to European security. So the question is now really about European leaders. Will they commit to decisive and unified action to quickly assert and build up a European security structure that will enable Ukraine to defend itself and demonstrates a credible opposition to broader Russian threats?

Do European leaders have the clarity to understand what is happening or will they indulge in wishful thinking about the possibility of retaining some US foundations in the continents security? And do leaders believe they have the political capital to act, when the socio-economic forces driving MAGA and Putinism are active in Europe, driving authoritarian nationalism which directly attacks the cooperative spirit we need?
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As I’ve mentioned above, RR, we desperately need the CDU/CSU and the SDP to put their big boy and girl pants on and get at least a working coalition in place, ASAP.

Europe is going to need Germany, France and the UK very quickly singing very loudly from the same hymn sheet.
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And then whilst their backs are turned we can attack the French.

comment by Cloggy (U1250)

posted on 1/3/25

comment by mancWoohoo- maximus mardius cob-onius (U10676)
posted 24 seconds ago

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I'd like to see Zelensky rock up in white tie at his next diplomatic event.
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Full on Bond style 3 piece suit, carrying a Walther PPK

comment by Cloggy (U1250)

posted on 1/3/25

comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
The fundamental question now isn't about the US. We know at this point that America is at best an unreliable ally, but more probably an adversary to European security. So the question is now really about European leaders. Will they commit to decisive and unified action to quickly assert and build up a European security structure that will enable Ukraine to defend itself and demonstrates a credible opposition to broader Russian threats?

Do European leaders have the clarity to understand what is happening or will they indulge in wishful thinking about the possibility of retaining some US foundations in the continents security? And do leaders believe they have the political capital to act, when the socio-economic forces driving MAGA and Putinism are active in Europe, driving authoritarian nationalism which directly attacks the cooperative spirit we need?
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As I’ve mentioned above, RR, we desperately need the CDU/CSU and the SDP to put their big boy and girl pants on and get at least a working coalition in place, ASAP.

Europe is going to need Germany, France and the UK very quickly singing very loudly from the same hymn sheet.
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And then whilst their backs are turned we can attack the French.
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Spoken like a true politician

posted on 1/3/25

comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
The fundamental question now isn't about the US. We know at this point that America is at best an unreliable ally, but more probably an adversary to European security. So the question is now really about European leaders. Will they commit to decisive and unified action to quickly assert and build up a European security structure that will enable Ukraine to defend itself and demonstrates a credible opposition to broader Russian threats?

Do European leaders have the clarity to understand what is happening or will they indulge in wishful thinking about the possibility of retaining some US foundations in the continents security? And do leaders believe they have the political capital to act, when the socio-economic forces driving MAGA and Putinism are active in Europe, driving authoritarian nationalism which directly attacks the cooperative spirit we need?
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As I’ve mentioned above, RR, we desperately need the CDU/CSU and the SDP to put their big boy and girl pants on and get at least a working coalition in place, ASAP.

Europe is going to need Germany, France and the UK very quickly singing very loudly from the same hymn sheet.
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And then whilst their backs are turned we can attack the French.
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Fffs Darren

posted on 1/3/25

comment by Cloggy (U1250)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
The fundamental question now isn't about the US. We know at this point that America is at best an unreliable ally, but more probably an adversary to European security. So the question is now really about European leaders. Will they commit to decisive and unified action to quickly assert and build up a European security structure that will enable Ukraine to defend itself and demonstrates a credible opposition to broader Russian threats?

Do European leaders have the clarity to understand what is happening or will they indulge in wishful thinking about the possibility of retaining some US foundations in the continents security? And do leaders believe they have the political capital to act, when the socio-economic forces driving MAGA and Putinism are active in Europe, driving authoritarian nationalism which directly attacks the cooperative spirit we need?
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As I’ve mentioned above, RR, we desperately need the CDU/CSU and the SDP to put their big boy and girl pants on and get at least a working coalition in place, ASAP.

Europe is going to need Germany, France and the UK very quickly singing very loudly from the same hymn sheet.
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And then whilst their backs are turned we can attack the French.
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Spoken like a true Englishman.
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Thanks.

posted on 1/3/25

comment by RED666.. Good to see the World is getting it R... (U6562)
posted 3 hours, 25 minutes ago
It was great to see Zelensky standing his ground and not sucking up to Trump as Starmer and Macron did!

Yet again it shows what Labour and Starmer are all about, considering Starmer and Mandlesons past comments about Trump plus the alleged Labour volunteers interfering in the US election and now we’ve got this cringeworthy show of affection from Starmer! 🤮
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As a lifelong Labour voter, I was embarrassed at Starmers performance with Trump. We may be their poodle, but you don't have to act like one. It was cringeworthy.

posted on 1/3/25

comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Cloggy (U1250)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
The fundamental question now isn't about the US. We know at this point that America is at best an unreliable ally, but more probably an adversary to European security. So the question is now really about European leaders. Will they commit to decisive and unified action to quickly assert and build up a European security structure that will enable Ukraine to defend itself and demonstrates a credible opposition to broader Russian threats?

Do European leaders have the clarity to understand what is happening or will they indulge in wishful thinking about the possibility of retaining some US foundations in the continents security? And do leaders believe they have the political capital to act, when the socio-economic forces driving MAGA and Putinism are active in Europe, driving authoritarian nationalism which directly attacks the cooperative spirit we need?
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As I’ve mentioned above, RR, we desperately need the CDU/CSU and the SDP to put their big boy and girl pants on and get at least a working coalition in place, ASAP.

Europe is going to need Germany, France and the UK very quickly singing very loudly from the same hymn sheet.
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And then whilst their backs are turned we can attack the French.
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Spoken like a true Englishman.
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Thanks.
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Still hurting since 1066.

posted on 1/3/25

During WW2, Churchill and Stalin used to turn up in military uniforms, Roosevelt usually wore a suit.

I don't remember reading about any outrage about this lack of respect.

comment by Cloggy (U1250)

posted on 1/3/25

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 7 minutes ago
During WW2, Churchill and Stalin used to turn up in military uniforms, Roosevelt usually wore a suit.

I don't remember reading about any outrage about this lack of respect.
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The Muricans were outraged when Obama showed up in a tan suit. Can't please them.

posted on 1/3/25

The ones outraged are the ones that have never worn a suit in their lives.

posted on 1/3/25

comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by RED666.. Good to see the World is getting it R... (U6562)
posted 3 hours, 25 minutes ago
It was great to see Zelensky standing his ground and not sucking up to Trump as Starmer and Macron did!

Yet again it shows what Labour and Starmer are all about, considering Starmer and Mandlesons past comments about Trump plus the alleged Labour volunteers interfering in the US election and now we’ve got this cringeworthy show of affection from Starmer! 🤮
----------------------------------------------------------------------

As a lifelong Labour voter, I was embarrassed at Starmers performance with Trump. We may be their poodle, but you don't have to act like one. It was cringeworthy.
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Oh come on Sandy, surely you’re not that naive. Starmer played trump perfectly. He massaged his insane ego to keep him in his box. He hasn’t done much right since he became PM but he nailed this.

posted on 1/3/25

comment by RRRU-ben a-moo-REENG (U17054)
posted 3 hours, 23 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
The fundamental question now isn't about the US. We know at this point that America is at best an unreliable ally, but more probably an adversary to European security. So the question is now really about European leaders. Will they commit to decisive and unified action to quickly assert and build up a European security structure that will enable Ukraine to defend itself and demonstrates a credible opposition to broader Russian threats?

Do European leaders have the clarity to understand what is happening or will they indulge in wishful thinking about the possibility of retaining some US foundations in the continents security? And do leaders believe they have the political capital to act, when the socio-economic forces driving MAGA and Putinism are active in Europe, driving authoritarian nationalism which directly attacks the cooperative spirit we need?
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As I’ve mentioned above, RR, we desperately need the CDU/CSU and the SDP to put their big boy and girl pants on and get at least a working coalition in place, ASAP.

Europe is going to need Germany, France and the UK very quickly singing very loudly from the same hymn sheet.
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The last years have drained any political optimism from me. But Merz was surprisingly clear and blunt in his first comments after the election, and all the mainstream German parties have a common interest in marginalising AFD, which threatens their vote share. Macron, meanwhile, is ideologically orientated to robust pan-European defence and won't be running for another election. Starmer ought to see this as an opportunity to marginalise and stigmatise Reform as unpatriotic when faced with a serious national security threat, but his political instincts have been poor.

posted on 2/3/25

comment by Hod idol (U5117)
posted 1 day, 12 hours ago
For a U.S. administration supposedly big on freedom of speech they sure as hell do not like people disagreeing with their nonsense.

Vance is a grade A hypocritical tw@t.
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He's your classic mouthy entitled frat boy captain of the football and rowing team type arrogant caant

He's perfect for Trump lite

posted on 2/3/25

It was funny to see Vance squirming when asked if he'd ever been to Ukraine.

"No but I've seen pictures"

posted on 2/3/25

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 23 minutes ago
It was funny to see Vance squirming when asked if he'd ever been to Ukraine.

"No but I've seen pictures"
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That was the trigger to the meltdown.

posted on 2/3/25

At least one thing has come out of the meeting.
A suit is more important than a war.

posted on 2/3/25

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 12 minutes ago
At least one thing has come out of the meeting.
A suit is more important than a war.
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comment by Spurtle (U1608)

posted on 2/3/25

Putin ready to start negotiations to make peace between Trump and Zelensky.

posted on 2/3/25

I wonder if Zelensky wears a suit when he meets the King?

If he doesn’t then he’s consistent, if he does then it’ll pizz Trump and the Vancy Boys right off

posted on 2/3/25

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 14 minutes ago
I wonder if Zelensky wears a suit when he meets the King?

If he doesn’t then he’s consistent, if he does then it’ll pizz Trump and the Vancy Boys right off
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He won't. He wares it for the.people of Ukraine. That he stands with them, and he does

posted on 2/3/25

If King Charles can find an old crown or something to give to Zelensky to wear,that would really piis the Yanks and the Ruskies right off !

posted on 2/3/25

and please, can someone please cancel that planned trip by the Fat Orange, and for King Charle to have to meet and shake hands with him !

posted on 2/3/25

comment by H von H. (U16981)
posted 14 minutes ago
and please, can someone please cancel that planned trip by the Fat Orange, and for King Charle to have to meet and shake hands with him !
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I’ve signed 3 petitions against it so far

posted on 2/3/25

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by H von H. (U16981)
posted 14 minutes ago
and please, can someone please cancel that planned trip by the Fat Orange, and for King Charle to have to meet and shake hands with him !
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I’ve signed 3 petitions against it so far
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Well done Boris

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