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comment by kinsang (U3346)

posted on 28/4/25

comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 57 minutes ago
The league on average has improved, United and Spurs have obviously been massively underpar but you have a lot of top to decent sides at the moment, not just a "top four" that's miles above the rest.

United and Spurs will do very well to crack the top seven next season from where they are now. United are probably in the most trouble and apparently broke. I think with the right manager Spurs could turn things around with the right signings.

United don't have funds and the squad looks a long way off.
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Forest went from 15th to 3rd in one season. It can be done and you're massively overrating how good the PL is right now also.

It's more competitive because a lot of the big teams have dropped off really more so than the others who have got a lot better.
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It can be done but it's pretty unlikely for United who have so much wrong mentally as well as quality wise. We'll see what happens but Forrest are likely having an anomaly of a season and without shrewd investment will fall back.

Think a lot of fans are currently doing mental gymnastics to cope with Liverpool winning in a very tough league. It's a shame no one pushed them but that is also because they never gave anyone the chance.
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Our goals against column is very similar to teams between 4th and 6th actually.

Our issue all season has been scoring goals. If we sign 2/3 quality forward players (Top striker + Cunha for example) we will be a lot better off than you think.

Don't forget we have taken 4pts off City, got a really good draw away to Liverpool and knocked Arsenal out of the cup on their own pitch this season alone. With a much better forward line up we'd be in and around the CL chasing clubs for sure.
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There are 2 ways of looking at it - good games we have had against top teams, or the many poor ones we have had against ones 'we are expcected' to beat. That's why it is so difficult to 2nd guess what we will do next season.

Of course we haven't scored enough goals, but not sure by how much a couple of forwards will solve everything. Various areas need working on.

I can honestly see scenarios where we improve to be top 8, other scenarios where we could be top 4-6, and anything less than top 8, and Amorim is in serious trouble.

I don't mean 8th is satisfactory and automatically mean Amorim's safe, but so many variables, including how other teams are doing, how good we are actually playing before making a definitive decision on whether the progress shown is enough.

I think Amorim will find it hard to survive a poor start, but I'm trying not to think about that too much

posted on 28/4/25

Great to see this no doubt. Long may it continue.

This manager however is under immense pressure next season. Bar maybe Amad, I have not seen anything positive he has done with this squad.

A diabolical start and he is in big trouble, especially with reinforcements like Cunha.

posted on 28/4/25

Rashford has done his hamstring and is out for the season as well. What a great loan that turned out to be.

comment by kinsang (U3346)

posted on 28/4/25

comment by Michael Scofield (U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
Rashford has done his hamstring and is out for the season as well. What a great loan that turned out to be.
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He's probably shown enough that in the right team, he can still do a decent job. I don't think it will be Villa, who I don't think can really afford the whole package without it being detrimental to the rest of the squad.

I can no longer see him staying at Utd, I think he may go abroad, where his pace is better suited to a game which doesn't require him to work as hard as he would in Amorin's team.

posted on 28/4/25

comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Michael Scofield (U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
Rashford has done his hamstring and is out for the season as well. What a great loan that turned out to be.
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He's probably shown enough that in the right team, he can still do a decent job. I don't think it will be Villa, who I don't think can really afford the whole package without it being detrimental to the rest of the squad.

I can no longer see him staying at Utd, I think he may go abroad, where his pace is better suited to a game which doesn't require him to work as hard as he would in Amorin's team.
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Would a swap with Osimhen be out of the question?

posted on 28/4/25

comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Michael Scofield (U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
Rashford has done his hamstring and is out for the season as well. What a great loan that turned out to be.
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He's probably shown enough that in the right team, he can still do a decent job. I don't think it will be Villa, who I don't think can really afford the whole package without it being detrimental to the rest of the squad.

I can no longer see him staying at Utd, I think he may go abroad, where his pace is better suited to a game which doesn't require him to work as hard as he would in Amorin's team.
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Would a swap with Osimhen be out of the question?
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Actual swap deals almost never happen but Rashford to Italy seems a good shout to me. Rashford's pace would be such a potentially weapon in Serie A, and surely he's hearing from Scott about the quality of life / how much he's enjoying his football. And Conte loves bringing ex-PL footballers to Italy and winning leagues with them.

posted on 28/4/25

Yes, I don't mean an actual swap as such but a scenario where Napoli give us £60m for Rash and we give them say £70m for Osimhen. Would help with the PSR wouldn't it I believe.

posted on 28/4/25

He’s a decent player, and nothing more.

As per, we are getting fleeced here imo. £62.5 million? Do me a favour.

Cherki at the reported £21.5m would have been by far the more savvy choice.

As stated, he will be decent, but he’s not gonna move the needle for us I feel, and that is A LOT of money again on an above average player with temperament issues, not the highest work rate and little to no resale value due to his age.

United written all over it unfortunately I feel.

posted on 28/4/25

comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 2 minutes ago
He’s a decent player, and nothing more.

As per, we are getting fleeced here imo. £62.5 million? Do me a favour.

Cherki at the reported £21.5m would have been by far the more savvy choice.

As stated, he will be decent, but he’s not gonna move the needle for us I feel, and that is A LOT of money again on an above average player with temperament issues, not the highest work rate and little to no resale value due to his age.

United written all over it unfortunately I feel.
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Cunha is only 25...

posted on 28/4/25

comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 2 minutes ago
He’s a decent player, and nothing more.

As per, we are getting fleeced here imo. £62.5 million? Do me a favour.

Cherki at the reported £21.5m would have been by far the more savvy choice.

As stated, he will be decent, but he’s not gonna move the needle for us I feel, and that is A LOT of money again on an above average player with temperament issues, not the highest work rate and little to no resale value due to his age.

United written all over it unfortunately I feel.
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Cunha is only 25...
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He 26 in May.

5 year contract takes him too…. 31! How much do you think we could get for him when he’s 28+?

Not £62.5 million is that answer.

comment by kinsang (U3346)

posted on 28/4/25

comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 2 minutes ago
He’s a decent player, and nothing more.

As per, we are getting fleeced here imo. £62.5 million? Do me a favour.

Cherki at the reported £21.5m would have been by far the more savvy choice.

As stated, he will be decent, but he’s not gonna move the needle for us I feel, and that is A LOT of money again on an above average player with temperament issues, not the highest work rate and little to no resale value due to his age.

United written all over it unfortunately I feel.
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Cunha is only 25...
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He 26 in May.

5 year contract takes him too…. 31! How much do you think we could get for him when he’s 28+?

Not £62.5 million is that answer.
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Surely we sign a player with the thought that he is going to do really well for us and not just how much can we sell him on for. I know we want to buy young players but sometimes you need to buy them when they are ready also.

posted on 28/4/25

comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 2 minutes ago
He’s a decent player, and nothing more.

As per, we are getting fleeced here imo. £62.5 million? Do me a favour.

Cherki at the reported £21.5m would have been by far the more savvy choice.

As stated, he will be decent, but he’s not gonna move the needle for us I feel, and that is A LOT of money again on an above average player with temperament issues, not the highest work rate and little to no resale value due to his age.

United written all over it unfortunately I feel.
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Cunha is only 25...
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He 26 in May.

5 year contract takes him too…. 31! How much do you think we could get for him when he’s 28+?

Not £62.5 million is that answer.
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Surely we sign a player with the thought that he is going to do really well for us and not just how much can we sell him on for. I know we want to buy young players but sometimes you need to buy them when they are ready also.
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That’s a fair point, and I agree, like Bruno for example. Good age, good signing.

I just don’t think Cunha is going to better than a decent player. That’s what he is right now in the prem.

I’d say he will be like Martial. Fine, but he’s not going to propel us up the league.

And for £62.5 million? We can make that money work better for us imo. A smart data led club like Brighton or Liverpool would no doubt.

Said it before we signed Onana too, it’s just a poor use of resources. Other clubs don’t operate like this, literally none do. It’s just us. And it doesn’t make much sense over the long term. Which is I guess why we are where we are.

posted on 28/4/25

In the last two seasons in the PL Cunha has played 61 games with 27 goals and 13 assists to his name.

In the same two seasons Saka has played 56 games and his record is 22 goals and 19 assists. He also takes the Arsenal penalties.

If Cunha can match Saka's output at United at the rate above then I think it'd be a very good signing.

posted on 28/4/25

I don't know how anyone can be so certain about potential transfers. We can all be proved wrong about players we watch a lot, who after a season at our club turn out to be much better or much worse than we thought. With Cunha to United we're talking about a player none of us have watched in lots and lots of matches. Add to that the fact that we can't predict how he will respond to United: is he the perfect profile fit for Amorim's requirements or not? Is he inspired by the big stage or crushed by it?

I can understand having doubts and raising questions. My biggest question is around the fact that £62m seems like a very big proportion of a seriously limited transfer kitty. But ultimately, I think we should acknowledge our limited ability to judge these things.

By the way - "A smart data led club like Brighton or Liverpool would no doubt." It's a very good point that we need to be making smarter moves in the transfer market but some thoughts about this. 1) INEOS have stated that they came into the club and found we're basically in the stone ages when it comes to the data department. That's something they can't just sign a cheque to rectify: you need to build the team and then build the data. So hopefully we're beginning to use the data at our disposal better, but we're not in the situation of having cutting edge proprietary software like Brighton. 2) Liverpool have been a great example of maximising ROI thanks to smart use of data but they've also spent very big sums on certain players. Usually it has been well spent (Virgil, Alisson) but there are one or two expensive missteps too. Anyway, I think part of the challenge is that as everyone ups their game in data there's less likelihood in being the only club to identify a huge talent, so it gets more and more unlikely you can recruit an elite player for a bargain price. The potential elite players are going to be identified as such by the rest of the market, and the competition for their signature will reflect that. Ultimately, I think this benefits bigger clubs. It reduces the guesswork around player profiling and means there's less investment risk. And the bigger budgets will more consistently translate into getting the better players. The competitive edge the likes of Brighton and Brentford have found will be eroded.

posted on 28/4/25

I just don’t think Cunha is going to better than a decent player. That’s what he is right now in the prem.
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He's one of the best attacking players in the PL. We need proven talent in the attacking positions (at least in part) and I can't think of a more ideal player. £62m sounds about right (these days) for a player of his ability and age from a PL team. We spent more on Antony, Sancho & Hojlund afterall!

posted on 28/4/25

It’s a lot of money but he looks a quality player. Also has experience playing for a shiiiiiit team that plays with a back three in the prem.

posted on 28/4/25

We don’t sign enough PL proven players.

posted on 28/4/25

comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 30 minutes ago
We don’t sign enough PL proven players.
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This. At this point I'm of the opinion every striker should be bought from the league because that's where the gap between leagues really exists.

posted on 28/4/25

62.5 million

LOL

His only saving grace is that he's played in the PL and done allright.... for Wolves

posted on 28/4/25

comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 10 minutes ago
62.5 million

LOL

His only saving grace is that he's played in the PL and done allright.... for Wolves
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Compared to 64+8 for Hojlund and 85m for Antony it looks a relative bargain though. 😂

posted on 28/4/25

His stats are very good. Better than anything at the club other than Bruno. Major upgrade

posted on 28/4/25

He’s not a major upgrade. He’s another Craig Bellamy/ Jermaine Pennant/ Wilf Zaha/ Alan Smith/ Francis Jeffers/ Santa Cruz

AKA not a top player and just looks good for a small side.

posted on 28/4/25

comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 47 minutes ago

His only saving grace is that he's played in the PL and done allright.... for Wolves
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Surely posting good numbers for a team that doesn't create much is surely more impressive than getting the same goal involvements for a team that spends a lot of time in the attacking third and has lots of players who are an attacking threat. Diafol pointed out that Cunha's goals and assists are similar to Saka's. You'd imagine Saka would be a bit less productive at Wolves, and Cunha more productive at Arsenal, no?

posted on 28/4/25

Cunha, if he joins could well flop. Plenty have done.

However, he is Prem proven and currently plays for a team comfortable playing the same system as Amorim likes. He's also a pretty much ready made fit for that left No10 position.

One thing is for certain he won't be a square peg in a round hole if he joins. He also seems to have a confidence that means he thinks he belongs on the big Old Trafford stage. What a challenge for a player. To be part of a team that takes United back to the top.

posted on 28/4/25

Not just proved he can do it in the PL in a struggling side......he's also excelling in the 343/352 system that we play.

I just hope he's not the only attacker we sign. A number 9 is vital.

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