I think we can hopefully get a decent deal on Rashford as he has shown decent form at Villa. We will take a big hit on Sancho and Antony, assuming we sell them, and it wouldn't surprise me if Cas just stayed for the final season.
But it just shows how tough a job it is right now to turn us around, even compared to a few years ago, but some don't acknowledge that
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posted 19 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 7 minutes ago
Moving on players this summer is going to be vital but I feel like it's going to be a very frustrating period. Clubs will drag out any potential deals to get the best deal with us and leave us with little options come the end of the window where I hope we don't panic buy.
I can see us struggling to sell Antony, Rashford and Sancho this summer and end up loaning them again. Casemiro would also be good to move on but again his wages are a huge stumbling block plus he's playing more regularly now (more out of necessity than anything else). Lindelof, Heaton, Evans and Eriksen will be all moved on which will at least free up a chunch of wages. I reckon we'll be open to offer for Garnacho this summer too as his sale would potentially give us quite a bit of money to spend on any replacement that's better suited.
It's quite depressing that we are desperate to get CL football next season, not to try and do well but simply because of the money it'll bring in.
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Moving on players such as Rashford, Sancho and Casemiro should take priority over everything at first I feel. They are an absolute anchor for us moving forwards in any meaningful way.
As you said though, no one will want them, and as a consequence a decent player like Garna, who is on relatively low wages in comparison, will be sacrificed. Another short term fix for a longer term poor decision.
It’s all backwards at our club at present.
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Absolutely. It’s critical that we get permanent deals done for at least a couple of Rashford, Sancho and Antony.
It’s true that those with contracts expiring will help with the wage budget, but the harsh reality is that the combined savings we’ll see when Eriksen, Lindelof, Heaton and Evans leave wouldn’t cover Rashford’s wages alone.
And at least two of those players will need replacing (although the academy might help with that).
Keanos
All depends how much Amorim likes Garnacho though? He's clearly talented and still young so plenty of room to develop but at the same time he doesn't quite suit his system and has been incredibly frustrating to watch. If we han get a good fee for him which enables us to bring in a far better suited player then I don't have anything against that tbh.
If we want to improve and develop we need to back the manager and that means letting him move on players he doesn't feel fit the system.
Rashford and Sancho will depend on their wage demads.
Villa are not in a strong position financially, hence why they had to sell and loan players in. What they are able to do may well depend on whether they get UCL again. But if Rashford wants £300k a week then that will be a deal breaker for most.
Same with Chelsea really. Sancho ticks some of their boxes but hasnt really performed at a level where they would think he's worth his £250k a week.
Best chance of both players getting deals at that level would be on a free. but i think many clubs will be looking to exploit Utds position by offering loans and divesting Utd of some massive wages
Saudi is your best hope for Casemiro
The Sancho one is different as that deal is already done isn’t it, obligation and an agreed fee?
Rashford is going to have to lower his wage demands and be realistic about how good he is, assuming he still thinks Barca are going to shell out for him. Or it’ll be another loan somewhere.
Yeah, just don't see either Sancho or Rashford willing to lower their wages considerably to move. They know they can get loans until their contracts are up. Saudis hopefully for Casemiro but I thought they've curbed their spending recently? Clubs know how desperate we are to get rid of these players so why pay when they can get a loan? And while Rashford has done ok at Villa he hasn't done enough to justify a potential £40m transfer plus huge wages, that's even if Rashford is willing to move there when reports are saying he only wants a CL side and is still hopeful of Barca (which is ridiculous if true).
Antony's wages aren't huge but sadly the types of clubs that want him have no money. The only clubs that do are in the PL where he's shown he isn't suited.
Mike
It's been reported for quite some time that Chelsea have no obligation to pay (no club does for these deals apparently), instead they can pay a £5m fine and return him. Based on how useless he's been this season and Chelsea's love of buying fancy new toys I can see them not taking up the option to buy.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 12 minutes ago
Rashford and Sancho will depend on their wage demads.
Villa are not in a strong position financially, hence why they had to sell and loan players in. What they are able to do may well depend on whether they get UCL again. But if Rashford wants £300k a week then that will be a deal breaker for most.
Same with Chelsea really. Sancho ticks some of their boxes but hasnt really performed at a level where they would think he's worth his £250k a week.
Best chance of both players getting deals at that level would be on a free. but i think many clubs will be looking to exploit Utds position by offering loans and divesting Utd of some massive wages
Saudi is your best hope for Casemiro
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I don't think Rashy will go to Villa, just doesn't fit financially. But the form he has shown there has helped put him in the window, so if a top European club come in for him, hopefully get a decent fee.
Not sure what a realistic fee for Antony is. And hopefully Chelsea will take Sancho rather than pay the 'breach' fee
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 9 minutes ago
The Sancho one is different as that deal is already done isn’t it, obligation and an agreed fee?
Rashford is going to have to lower his wage demands and be realistic about how good he is, assuming he still thinks Barca are going to shell out for him. Or it’ll be another loan somewhere.
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Doesnt CFC have a £5m option not to complete the deal.
I just don't see which 'top' European club want him and can afford both his wages and fee? He isn't wanted by the elite clubs and the level below just don't have the kind of money needed. I think he's seen that a loan can still help him get what he wants (England call up, his big wage and game time) and will probably settle for that if Barca don't come calling.
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posted 7 minutes ago
I just don't see which 'top' European club want him and can afford both his wages and fee? He isn't wanted by the elite clubs and the level below just don't have the kind of money needed. I think he's seen that a loan can still help him get what he wants (England call up, his big wage and game time) and will probably settle for that if Barca don't come calling.
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I think Rashford is better suited abroad. His pace will frighten most teams, he doesn't have to play at breakneck speed and constantly work back, and he's one of those that surrounded by better players, he will look good. Maybe it's wishful thinking on my part, but I think a few good teams could come snooping round......
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posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 12 minutes ago
Rashford and Sancho will depend on their wage demads.
Villa are not in a strong position financially, hence why they had to sell and loan players in. What they are able to do may well depend on whether they get UCL again. But if Rashford wants £300k a week then that will be a deal breaker for most.
Same with Chelsea really. Sancho ticks some of their boxes but hasnt really performed at a level where they would think he's worth his £250k a week.
Best chance of both players getting deals at that level would be on a free. but i think many clubs will be looking to exploit Utds position by offering loans and divesting Utd of some massive wages
Saudi is your best hope for Casemiro
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I don't think Rashy will go to Villa, just doesn't fit financially. But the form he has shown there has helped put him in the window, so if a top European club come in for him, hopefully get a decent fee.
Not sure what a realistic fee for Antony is. And hopefully Chelsea will take Sancho rather than pay the 'breach' fee
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In theory i would agree, but again its all down to wages. Asensio went from Real to PSG and is on £120k a week, less than half what Rashford costs.
Muani went from PSG to Juve and is on about £90k a week.
There is a fair bit more value out there. He has done pretty well for Villa, but £300k a week well?
I could see Italy as an option. Juve have a similar situation with Vlahovic, a guy delivering nowhere near his £300k /wk wages, whose contract has 1 year left. As much as they'd like to off load they will struggle to do so without making a massive loss and without him taking a big pay cut. But him taking a pay cut in exchange for a longer deal is more easily done.
Rashford's bumper deal is for another 3 years, he'd have to forego a lot of wages to get a longer deal. £200k a week over 5 years roughly equals his wages for the rest of his current contract. Someones going to have to offer him £250k a week for 5 years to make it worth his while giving up his current deal.
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posted 53 minutes ago
Keanos
All depends how much Amorim likes Garnacho though? He's clearly talented and still young so plenty of room to develop but at the same time he doesn't quite suit his system and has been incredibly frustrating to watch. If we han get a good fee for him which enables us to bring in a far better suited player then I don't have anything against that tbh.
If we want to improve and develop we need to back the manager and that means letting him move on players he doesn't feel fit the system.
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Garnacho is a conundrum this summer. He's an attractive proposition from a PSR point of view for selling him on. But he's also an incredibly talented young player. Yes, he's frustrating and his decision-making and end product is all over the place, but that's entirely normal for a 20-year old and all part of the development process.
That said, it's up to those who work closely with him day in, day out to decipher whether he has the football brain that will ultimately see that decision making improve. I've no doubt his shooting and execution will improve with time but the key is that football intelligence; the reality is that some players just have it and others don't and it'll be that detail that determines where he gets to.
My hunch from watching him every week is that he doesn't really see the picture in the way that really intelligent players do (I'm thinking wingers like Giggs who despite being able to beat people for fun, played with his head up and had that creative cuteness to his game).
Berba
Agreed.
An issue I have with us currently is because we're terrible it really isn't a great environment for kids to develop and reach their potential. You only have to look at Hojlund (who admittedly I never thought would be a world beater), he's so out of his depth and is completely shot of confidence, it's really harming his development. I get the club are hindered financially and are having to go down the youth/cheap route (Delap for example) but the PL is ruthless and not somewhere you can easily bed these players when your club are a mess as it is.
I think Garnacho at the right club with the right guidance and without the pressure he gets at United could become a very good player.
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posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 12 minutes ago
Rashford and Sancho will depend on their wage demads.
Villa are not in a strong position financially, hence why they had to sell and loan players in. What they are able to do may well depend on whether they get UCL again. But if Rashford wants £300k a week then that will be a deal breaker for most.
Same with Chelsea really. Sancho ticks some of their boxes but hasnt really performed at a level where they would think he's worth his £250k a week.
Best chance of both players getting deals at that level would be on a free. but i think many clubs will be looking to exploit Utds position by offering loans and divesting Utd of some massive wages
Saudi is your best hope for Casemiro
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I don't think Rashy will go to Villa, just doesn't fit financially. But the form he has shown there has helped put him in the window, so if a top European club come in for him, hopefully get a decent fee.
Not sure what a realistic fee for Antony is. And hopefully Chelsea will take Sancho rather than pay the 'breach' fee
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In theory i would agree, but again its all down to wages. Asensio went from Real to PSG and is on £120k a week, less than half what Rashford costs.
Muani went from PSG to Juve and is on about £90k a week.
There is a fair bit more value out there. He has done pretty well for Villa, but £300k a week well?
I could see Italy as an option. Juve have a similar situation with Vlahovic, a guy delivering nowhere near his £300k /wk wages, whose contract has 1 year left. As much as they'd like to off load they will struggle to do so without making a massive loss and without him taking a big pay cut. But him taking a pay cut in exchange for a longer deal is more easily done.
Rashford's bumper deal is for another 3 years, he'd have to forego a lot of wages to get a longer deal. £200k a week over 5 years roughly equals his wages for the rest of his current contract. Someones going to have to offer him £250k a week for 5 years to make it worth his while giving up his current deal.
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Some of the shortfall can be subsidised by the buying club paying less than what we value Rashford at and then paying him a bigger signing on fee.
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comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 53 minutes ago
Keanos
All depends how much Amorim likes Garnacho though? He's clearly talented and still young so plenty of room to develop but at the same time he doesn't quite suit his system and has been incredibly frustrating to watch. If we han get a good fee for him which enables us to bring in a far better suited player then I don't have anything against that tbh.
If we want to improve and develop we need to back the manager and that means letting him move on players he doesn't feel fit the system.
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Garnacho is a conundrum this summer. He's an attractive proposition from a PSR point of view for selling him on. But he's also an incredibly talented young player. Yes, he's frustrating and his decision-making and end product is all over the place, but that's entirely normal for a 20-year old and all part of the development process.
That said, it's up to those who work closely with him day in, day out to decipher whether he has the football brain that will ultimately see that decision making improve. I've no doubt his shooting and execution will improve with time but the key is that football intelligence; the reality is that some players just have it and others don't and it'll be that detail that determines where he gets to.
My hunch from watching him every week is that he doesn't really see the picture in the way that really intelligent players do (I'm thinking wingers like Giggs who despite being able to beat people for fun, played with his head up and had that creative cuteness to his game).
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Yeh I think that he should keep Nacho for now. He has 36 goal involvements in the last 2 years. I saw a post on Facebook the other day saying that Yamal is the only U21 player in Europe with more goal involvements than Nacho in that time period. If that is correct, which I haven't checked, then it is quite an eye-opening stat.
I do find him incredibly wasteful, greedy and frustrating. However, I remember feeling the same about Ronaldo in the early ears. Despite the obvious talent and entertainment, he wasn't especially productive for the first few years. Then something suddenly clicked and he became unstoppable.
I don't think Garnacho has the pace, power, or trickery to be able to beat his man on a consistent basis.
What he does have though is the knack of being able to get on the end of chances. I also think his decision making is improving as well as recently he's been putting in some good balls into good areas.
I see him as a Raheem Sterling kind of forward for us in that his main attribute will be his movement and, hopefully, intelligence.
I'm a bit surprised he's not been tried as a wing back either. Think having him and Amad as wing backs would make us look much more dangerous in some games.
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posted 2 hours, 4 minutes ago
Mike
It's been reported for quite some time that Chelsea have no obligation to pay (no club does for these deals apparently), instead they can pay a £5m fine and return him. Based on how useless he's been this season and Chelsea's love of buying fancy new toys I can see them not taking up the option to buy.
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I'm really not sure about that.
Maresca seems to like him: despite the myriad options they have, Sancho is featuring in pretty much every game at the moment I think and has over 30 appearances on the season.
The purchase price isn't prohibitive for a player of his age and experience who might play 40+ games a season.
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I don't think Rashy will go to Villa, just doesn't fit financially. But the form he has shown there has helped put him in the window, so if a top European club come in for him, hopefully get a decent fee.
Not sure what a realistic fee for Antony is. And hopefully Chelsea will take Sancho rather than pay the 'breach' fee
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In theory i would agree, but again its all down to wages. Asensio went from Real to PSG and is on £120k a week, less than half what Rashford costs.
Muani went from PSG to Juve and is on about £90k a week.
There is a fair bit more value out there. He has done pretty well for Villa, but £300k a week well?
I could see Italy as an option. Juve have a similar situation with Vlahovic, a guy delivering nowhere near his £300k /wk wages, whose contract has 1 year left. As much as they'd like to off load they will struggle to do so without making a massive loss and without him taking a big pay cut. But him taking a pay cut in exchange for a longer deal is more easily done.
Rashford's bumper deal is for another 3 years, he'd have to forego a lot of wages to get a longer deal. £200k a week over 5 years roughly equals his wages for the rest of his current contract. Someones going to have to offer him £250k a week for 5 years to make it worth his while giving up his current deal.
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Some of the shortfall can be subsidised by the buying club paying less than what we value Rashford at and then paying him a bigger signing on fee.
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That assumes a club big enough and wealthy enough to pay £40m fee, signing on bonus in the millions and £13m a year wages. That's a massive deal that only the biggest of clubs will do, which means that you are looking at a small market to sell in.
I hope you’re right. He might be playing but he isn’t producing much and from what I’ve read from Chelsea fans they’re not particular impressed by him. Also say he does move how would his wages fit within the Chelsea wage structure? I thought they sign young players on long contracts with a fairly reasonable weekly wage, far less than what Sancho gets currently at United.
Posted a few months back to we should go for him.
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/466742
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"Don’t have it right now, but waiting on the cctv footage. Essentially The Process got drunk, did a shedload more whisky, and ketamine then thought it was 2008 and that someone like Cuhna would want to join us. If that’s what you mean?"
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Posted a few months back to we should go for him.
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/466742
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"Don’t have it right now, but waiting on the cctv footage. Essentially The Process got drunk, did a shedload more whisky, and ketamine then thought it was 2008 and that someone like Cuhna would want to join us. If that’s what you mean?"
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it’s like they forget that despite being rubbish on the pitch, the majority of players in the PL and worldwide would jump at signing for United given half the chance.
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I don't think Rashy will go to Villa, just doesn't fit financially. But the form he has shown there has helped put him in the window, so if a top European club come in for him, hopefully get a decent fee.
Not sure what a realistic fee for Antony is. And hopefully Chelsea will take Sancho rather than pay the 'breach' fee
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In theory i would agree, but again its all down to wages. Asensio went from Real to PSG and is on £120k a week, less than half what Rashford costs.
Muani went from PSG to Juve and is on about £90k a week.
There is a fair bit more value out there. He has done pretty well for Villa, but £300k a week well?
I could see Italy as an option. Juve have a similar situation with Vlahovic, a guy delivering nowhere near his £300k /wk wages, whose contract has 1 year left. As much as they'd like to off load they will struggle to do so without making a massive loss and without him taking a big pay cut. But him taking a pay cut in exchange for a longer deal is more easily done.
Rashford's bumper deal is for another 3 years, he'd have to forego a lot of wages to get a longer deal. £200k a week over 5 years roughly equals his wages for the rest of his current contract. Someones going to have to offer him £250k a week for 5 years to make it worth his while giving up his current deal.
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Some of the shortfall can be subsidised by the buying club paying less than what we value Rashford at and then paying him a bigger signing on fee.
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That assumes a club big enough and wealthy enough to pay £40m fee, signing on bonus in the millions and £13m a year wages. That's a massive deal that only the biggest of clubs will do, which means that you are looking at a small market to sell in.
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Well no. We won't get the £40m and whatever we knock off the price goes to the player as a signing on fee. It's why we rarely get decent fees for our players.
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posted on 29/4/25
I think we can hopefully get a decent deal on Rashford as he has shown decent form at Villa. We will take a big hit on Sancho and Antony, assuming we sell them, and it wouldn't surprise me if Cas just stayed for the final season.
But it just shows how tough a job it is right now to turn us around, even compared to a few years ago, but some don't acknowledge that
posted on 29/4/25
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 7 minutes ago
Moving on players this summer is going to be vital but I feel like it's going to be a very frustrating period. Clubs will drag out any potential deals to get the best deal with us and leave us with little options come the end of the window where I hope we don't panic buy.
I can see us struggling to sell Antony, Rashford and Sancho this summer and end up loaning them again. Casemiro would also be good to move on but again his wages are a huge stumbling block plus he's playing more regularly now (more out of necessity than anything else). Lindelof, Heaton, Evans and Eriksen will be all moved on which will at least free up a chunch of wages. I reckon we'll be open to offer for Garnacho this summer too as his sale would potentially give us quite a bit of money to spend on any replacement that's better suited.
It's quite depressing that we are desperate to get CL football next season, not to try and do well but simply because of the money it'll bring in.
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Moving on players such as Rashford, Sancho and Casemiro should take priority over everything at first I feel. They are an absolute anchor for us moving forwards in any meaningful way.
As you said though, no one will want them, and as a consequence a decent player like Garna, who is on relatively low wages in comparison, will be sacrificed. Another short term fix for a longer term poor decision.
It’s all backwards at our club at present.
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Absolutely. It’s critical that we get permanent deals done for at least a couple of Rashford, Sancho and Antony.
It’s true that those with contracts expiring will help with the wage budget, but the harsh reality is that the combined savings we’ll see when Eriksen, Lindelof, Heaton and Evans leave wouldn’t cover Rashford’s wages alone.
And at least two of those players will need replacing (although the academy might help with that).
posted on 29/4/25
Keanos
All depends how much Amorim likes Garnacho though? He's clearly talented and still young so plenty of room to develop but at the same time he doesn't quite suit his system and has been incredibly frustrating to watch. If we han get a good fee for him which enables us to bring in a far better suited player then I don't have anything against that tbh.
If we want to improve and develop we need to back the manager and that means letting him move on players he doesn't feel fit the system.
posted on 29/4/25
Rashford and Sancho will depend on their wage demads.
Villa are not in a strong position financially, hence why they had to sell and loan players in. What they are able to do may well depend on whether they get UCL again. But if Rashford wants £300k a week then that will be a deal breaker for most.
Same with Chelsea really. Sancho ticks some of their boxes but hasnt really performed at a level where they would think he's worth his £250k a week.
Best chance of both players getting deals at that level would be on a free. but i think many clubs will be looking to exploit Utds position by offering loans and divesting Utd of some massive wages
Saudi is your best hope for Casemiro
posted on 29/4/25
The Sancho one is different as that deal is already done isn’t it, obligation and an agreed fee?
Rashford is going to have to lower his wage demands and be realistic about how good he is, assuming he still thinks Barca are going to shell out for him. Or it’ll be another loan somewhere.
posted on 29/4/25
Yeah, just don't see either Sancho or Rashford willing to lower their wages considerably to move. They know they can get loans until their contracts are up. Saudis hopefully for Casemiro but I thought they've curbed their spending recently? Clubs know how desperate we are to get rid of these players so why pay when they can get a loan? And while Rashford has done ok at Villa he hasn't done enough to justify a potential £40m transfer plus huge wages, that's even if Rashford is willing to move there when reports are saying he only wants a CL side and is still hopeful of Barca (which is ridiculous if true).
Antony's wages aren't huge but sadly the types of clubs that want him have no money. The only clubs that do are in the PL where he's shown he isn't suited.
posted on 29/4/25
Mike
It's been reported for quite some time that Chelsea have no obligation to pay (no club does for these deals apparently), instead they can pay a £5m fine and return him. Based on how useless he's been this season and Chelsea's love of buying fancy new toys I can see them not taking up the option to buy.
posted on 29/4/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 12 minutes ago
Rashford and Sancho will depend on their wage demads.
Villa are not in a strong position financially, hence why they had to sell and loan players in. What they are able to do may well depend on whether they get UCL again. But if Rashford wants £300k a week then that will be a deal breaker for most.
Same with Chelsea really. Sancho ticks some of their boxes but hasnt really performed at a level where they would think he's worth his £250k a week.
Best chance of both players getting deals at that level would be on a free. but i think many clubs will be looking to exploit Utds position by offering loans and divesting Utd of some massive wages
Saudi is your best hope for Casemiro
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I don't think Rashy will go to Villa, just doesn't fit financially. But the form he has shown there has helped put him in the window, so if a top European club come in for him, hopefully get a decent fee.
Not sure what a realistic fee for Antony is. And hopefully Chelsea will take Sancho rather than pay the 'breach' fee
posted on 29/4/25
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 9 minutes ago
The Sancho one is different as that deal is already done isn’t it, obligation and an agreed fee?
Rashford is going to have to lower his wage demands and be realistic about how good he is, assuming he still thinks Barca are going to shell out for him. Or it’ll be another loan somewhere.
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Doesnt CFC have a £5m option not to complete the deal.
posted on 29/4/25
I just don't see which 'top' European club want him and can afford both his wages and fee? He isn't wanted by the elite clubs and the level below just don't have the kind of money needed. I think he's seen that a loan can still help him get what he wants (England call up, his big wage and game time) and will probably settle for that if Barca don't come calling.
posted on 29/4/25
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 7 minutes ago
I just don't see which 'top' European club want him and can afford both his wages and fee? He isn't wanted by the elite clubs and the level below just don't have the kind of money needed. I think he's seen that a loan can still help him get what he wants (England call up, his big wage and game time) and will probably settle for that if Barca don't come calling.
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I think Rashford is better suited abroad. His pace will frighten most teams, he doesn't have to play at breakneck speed and constantly work back, and he's one of those that surrounded by better players, he will look good. Maybe it's wishful thinking on my part, but I think a few good teams could come snooping round......
posted on 29/4/25
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 12 minutes ago
Rashford and Sancho will depend on their wage demads.
Villa are not in a strong position financially, hence why they had to sell and loan players in. What they are able to do may well depend on whether they get UCL again. But if Rashford wants £300k a week then that will be a deal breaker for most.
Same with Chelsea really. Sancho ticks some of their boxes but hasnt really performed at a level where they would think he's worth his £250k a week.
Best chance of both players getting deals at that level would be on a free. but i think many clubs will be looking to exploit Utds position by offering loans and divesting Utd of some massive wages
Saudi is your best hope for Casemiro
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I don't think Rashy will go to Villa, just doesn't fit financially. But the form he has shown there has helped put him in the window, so if a top European club come in for him, hopefully get a decent fee.
Not sure what a realistic fee for Antony is. And hopefully Chelsea will take Sancho rather than pay the 'breach' fee
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In theory i would agree, but again its all down to wages. Asensio went from Real to PSG and is on £120k a week, less than half what Rashford costs.
Muani went from PSG to Juve and is on about £90k a week.
There is a fair bit more value out there. He has done pretty well for Villa, but £300k a week well?
I could see Italy as an option. Juve have a similar situation with Vlahovic, a guy delivering nowhere near his £300k /wk wages, whose contract has 1 year left. As much as they'd like to off load they will struggle to do so without making a massive loss and without him taking a big pay cut. But him taking a pay cut in exchange for a longer deal is more easily done.
Rashford's bumper deal is for another 3 years, he'd have to forego a lot of wages to get a longer deal. £200k a week over 5 years roughly equals his wages for the rest of his current contract. Someones going to have to offer him £250k a week for 5 years to make it worth his while giving up his current deal.
posted on 29/4/25
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 53 minutes ago
Keanos
All depends how much Amorim likes Garnacho though? He's clearly talented and still young so plenty of room to develop but at the same time he doesn't quite suit his system and has been incredibly frustrating to watch. If we han get a good fee for him which enables us to bring in a far better suited player then I don't have anything against that tbh.
If we want to improve and develop we need to back the manager and that means letting him move on players he doesn't feel fit the system.
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Garnacho is a conundrum this summer. He's an attractive proposition from a PSR point of view for selling him on. But he's also an incredibly talented young player. Yes, he's frustrating and his decision-making and end product is all over the place, but that's entirely normal for a 20-year old and all part of the development process.
That said, it's up to those who work closely with him day in, day out to decipher whether he has the football brain that will ultimately see that decision making improve. I've no doubt his shooting and execution will improve with time but the key is that football intelligence; the reality is that some players just have it and others don't and it'll be that detail that determines where he gets to.
My hunch from watching him every week is that he doesn't really see the picture in the way that really intelligent players do (I'm thinking wingers like Giggs who despite being able to beat people for fun, played with his head up and had that creative cuteness to his game).
posted on 29/4/25
Berba
Agreed.
An issue I have with us currently is because we're terrible it really isn't a great environment for kids to develop and reach their potential. You only have to look at Hojlund (who admittedly I never thought would be a world beater), he's so out of his depth and is completely shot of confidence, it's really harming his development. I get the club are hindered financially and are having to go down the youth/cheap route (Delap for example) but the PL is ruthless and not somewhere you can easily bed these players when your club are a mess as it is.
I think Garnacho at the right club with the right guidance and without the pressure he gets at United could become a very good player.
posted on 29/4/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 12 minutes ago
Rashford and Sancho will depend on their wage demads.
Villa are not in a strong position financially, hence why they had to sell and loan players in. What they are able to do may well depend on whether they get UCL again. But if Rashford wants £300k a week then that will be a deal breaker for most.
Same with Chelsea really. Sancho ticks some of their boxes but hasnt really performed at a level where they would think he's worth his £250k a week.
Best chance of both players getting deals at that level would be on a free. but i think many clubs will be looking to exploit Utds position by offering loans and divesting Utd of some massive wages
Saudi is your best hope for Casemiro
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I don't think Rashy will go to Villa, just doesn't fit financially. But the form he has shown there has helped put him in the window, so if a top European club come in for him, hopefully get a decent fee.
Not sure what a realistic fee for Antony is. And hopefully Chelsea will take Sancho rather than pay the 'breach' fee
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In theory i would agree, but again its all down to wages. Asensio went from Real to PSG and is on £120k a week, less than half what Rashford costs.
Muani went from PSG to Juve and is on about £90k a week.
There is a fair bit more value out there. He has done pretty well for Villa, but £300k a week well?
I could see Italy as an option. Juve have a similar situation with Vlahovic, a guy delivering nowhere near his £300k /wk wages, whose contract has 1 year left. As much as they'd like to off load they will struggle to do so without making a massive loss and without him taking a big pay cut. But him taking a pay cut in exchange for a longer deal is more easily done.
Rashford's bumper deal is for another 3 years, he'd have to forego a lot of wages to get a longer deal. £200k a week over 5 years roughly equals his wages for the rest of his current contract. Someones going to have to offer him £250k a week for 5 years to make it worth his while giving up his current deal.
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Some of the shortfall can be subsidised by the buying club paying less than what we value Rashford at and then paying him a bigger signing on fee.
posted on 29/4/25
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 53 minutes ago
Keanos
All depends how much Amorim likes Garnacho though? He's clearly talented and still young so plenty of room to develop but at the same time he doesn't quite suit his system and has been incredibly frustrating to watch. If we han get a good fee for him which enables us to bring in a far better suited player then I don't have anything against that tbh.
If we want to improve and develop we need to back the manager and that means letting him move on players he doesn't feel fit the system.
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Garnacho is a conundrum this summer. He's an attractive proposition from a PSR point of view for selling him on. But he's also an incredibly talented young player. Yes, he's frustrating and his decision-making and end product is all over the place, but that's entirely normal for a 20-year old and all part of the development process.
That said, it's up to those who work closely with him day in, day out to decipher whether he has the football brain that will ultimately see that decision making improve. I've no doubt his shooting and execution will improve with time but the key is that football intelligence; the reality is that some players just have it and others don't and it'll be that detail that determines where he gets to.
My hunch from watching him every week is that he doesn't really see the picture in the way that really intelligent players do (I'm thinking wingers like Giggs who despite being able to beat people for fun, played with his head up and had that creative cuteness to his game).
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Yeh I think that he should keep Nacho for now. He has 36 goal involvements in the last 2 years. I saw a post on Facebook the other day saying that Yamal is the only U21 player in Europe with more goal involvements than Nacho in that time period. If that is correct, which I haven't checked, then it is quite an eye-opening stat.
I do find him incredibly wasteful, greedy and frustrating. However, I remember feeling the same about Ronaldo in the early ears. Despite the obvious talent and entertainment, he wasn't especially productive for the first few years. Then something suddenly clicked and he became unstoppable.
posted on 29/4/25
I don't think Garnacho has the pace, power, or trickery to be able to beat his man on a consistent basis.
What he does have though is the knack of being able to get on the end of chances. I also think his decision making is improving as well as recently he's been putting in some good balls into good areas.
I see him as a Raheem Sterling kind of forward for us in that his main attribute will be his movement and, hopefully, intelligence.
I'm a bit surprised he's not been tried as a wing back either. Think having him and Amad as wing backs would make us look much more dangerous in some games.
posted on 29/4/25
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 hours, 4 minutes ago
Mike
It's been reported for quite some time that Chelsea have no obligation to pay (no club does for these deals apparently), instead they can pay a £5m fine and return him. Based on how useless he's been this season and Chelsea's love of buying fancy new toys I can see them not taking up the option to buy.
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I'm really not sure about that.
Maresca seems to like him: despite the myriad options they have, Sancho is featuring in pretty much every game at the moment I think and has over 30 appearances on the season.
The purchase price isn't prohibitive for a player of his age and experience who might play 40+ games a season.
posted on 29/4/25
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 5 minutes ago
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I don't think Rashy will go to Villa, just doesn't fit financially. But the form he has shown there has helped put him in the window, so if a top European club come in for him, hopefully get a decent fee.
Not sure what a realistic fee for Antony is. And hopefully Chelsea will take Sancho rather than pay the 'breach' fee
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In theory i would agree, but again its all down to wages. Asensio went from Real to PSG and is on £120k a week, less than half what Rashford costs.
Muani went from PSG to Juve and is on about £90k a week.
There is a fair bit more value out there. He has done pretty well for Villa, but £300k a week well?
I could see Italy as an option. Juve have a similar situation with Vlahovic, a guy delivering nowhere near his £300k /wk wages, whose contract has 1 year left. As much as they'd like to off load they will struggle to do so without making a massive loss and without him taking a big pay cut. But him taking a pay cut in exchange for a longer deal is more easily done.
Rashford's bumper deal is for another 3 years, he'd have to forego a lot of wages to get a longer deal. £200k a week over 5 years roughly equals his wages for the rest of his current contract. Someones going to have to offer him £250k a week for 5 years to make it worth his while giving up his current deal.
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Some of the shortfall can be subsidised by the buying club paying less than what we value Rashford at and then paying him a bigger signing on fee.
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That assumes a club big enough and wealthy enough to pay £40m fee, signing on bonus in the millions and £13m a year wages. That's a massive deal that only the biggest of clubs will do, which means that you are looking at a small market to sell in.
posted on 29/4/25
I hope you’re right. He might be playing but he isn’t producing much and from what I’ve read from Chelsea fans they’re not particular impressed by him. Also say he does move how would his wages fit within the Chelsea wage structure? I thought they sign young players on long contracts with a fairly reasonable weekly wage, far less than what Sancho gets currently at United.
posted on 29/4/25
Posted a few months back to we should go for him.
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/466742
Some of those replies
posted on 29/4/25
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 2 minutes ago
Posted a few months back to we should go for him.
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/466742
Some of those replies
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"Don’t have it right now, but waiting on the cctv footage. Essentially The Process got drunk, did a shedload more whisky, and ketamine then thought it was 2008 and that someone like Cuhna would want to join us. If that’s what you mean?"
posted on 29/4/25
comment by Pun - 4 years of Gunn (U21588)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 2 minutes ago
Posted a few months back to we should go for him.
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/466742
Some of those replies
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"Don’t have it right now, but waiting on the cctv footage. Essentially The Process got drunk, did a shedload more whisky, and ketamine then thought it was 2008 and that someone like Cuhna would want to join us. If that’s what you mean?"
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it’s like they forget that despite being rubbish on the pitch, the majority of players in the PL and worldwide would jump at signing for United given half the chance.
posted on 29/4/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 5 minutes ago
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I don't think Rashy will go to Villa, just doesn't fit financially. But the form he has shown there has helped put him in the window, so if a top European club come in for him, hopefully get a decent fee.
Not sure what a realistic fee for Antony is. And hopefully Chelsea will take Sancho rather than pay the 'breach' fee
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In theory i would agree, but again its all down to wages. Asensio went from Real to PSG and is on £120k a week, less than half what Rashford costs.
Muani went from PSG to Juve and is on about £90k a week.
There is a fair bit more value out there. He has done pretty well for Villa, but £300k a week well?
I could see Italy as an option. Juve have a similar situation with Vlahovic, a guy delivering nowhere near his £300k /wk wages, whose contract has 1 year left. As much as they'd like to off load they will struggle to do so without making a massive loss and without him taking a big pay cut. But him taking a pay cut in exchange for a longer deal is more easily done.
Rashford's bumper deal is for another 3 years, he'd have to forego a lot of wages to get a longer deal. £200k a week over 5 years roughly equals his wages for the rest of his current contract. Someones going to have to offer him £250k a week for 5 years to make it worth his while giving up his current deal.
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Some of the shortfall can be subsidised by the buying club paying less than what we value Rashford at and then paying him a bigger signing on fee.
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That assumes a club big enough and wealthy enough to pay £40m fee, signing on bonus in the millions and £13m a year wages. That's a massive deal that only the biggest of clubs will do, which means that you are looking at a small market to sell in.
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Well no. We won't get the £40m and whatever we knock off the price goes to the player as a signing on fee. It's why we rarely get decent fees for our players.
posted on 29/4/25
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 4 hours, 10 minutes ago
Posted a few months back to we should go for him.
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/466742
Some of those replies
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RR waffle.
This fella has fooled people into thinking he is the all knowing writing like Shakespeare 🤣
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