comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 2 minutes ago
Had we hired Ruben in summer and gave him the £200m to spend on his players we may have been fine and finished in top 8. We will never know that of course.
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What should have happened is RVN should still be here, and Ruben should still be in Portugal, and we should be looking for a manager that plays a proper system and not this w@nk 3/5 at the back one.
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Inter are in another CL final and play 3 CB's and wingbacks.
Sporting didn't play 5 at the back either under Amorim. It was far more attacking.
What's happened is you thought him coming and changing the formation would fix all our issues without spending any money. It never was going to.
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You’re right, he hasn't fixed anything. He has made everything much much worse though.
Clearly you can’t see that and think this manager deserves backing for some odd reason.
Fair enough. But he will be gone before Christmas. And we will have wasted more time and limited resources by doing so.
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 minute ago
Please just stop with all this toxic situation malarkey!
A lot of managers took over clubs this season and improved them.
This is a calamitous season from this new manager, there is no way to marinade it. This is new depths of low. This is not a squad to be finishing 17th. The manager has had a lot to do with this. It is embarrassing. The excuses are embarrassing!
I am glad he came out to tackle this nonsense of getting into a stage where Manchester United is acting like the league does not matter. This is a dangerous area and some of our fans are in this sunken place.
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Sack him then and see what happens. It will continue the cycle and nothing will change greatly.
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I don’t have this luxury my friend.
If I did though, it is something I now would be exploring before giving this manager “ his own players.” I have heard this nonsense a few times.
All managers are going to go through times wherein they are going to have players who do not suit their system to a tee. It is high time we wake up and also realise it is going to take a couple of windows to get rid of most of the duds that we have. Are we stating we are happy for Amorim to register these results until that happens?
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He's taking the bullets for mistakes from the last 3years and beyond.
You can put Pep in charge of this team and we'd still be a shambles. He isn't even getting much of a tune out of his current City team with is littered with stars. How would he go with Rasmus Hojlund as his CF and Lindelof still having to play most weeks?
ETH spent £600m on mostly garbage on the back of Ole wasting money on Sancho and AWB and the club spending about £40m too much on Maguire. That's why we are a crap side.
Recruitment has killed us. Not the formation change.
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 2 minutes ago
Had we hired Ruben in summer and gave him the £200m to spend on his players we may have been fine and finished in top 8. We will never know that of course.
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What should have happened is RVN should still be here, and Ruben should still be in Portugal, and we should be looking for a manager that plays a proper system and not this w@nk 3/5 at the back one.
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Inter are in another CL final and play 3 CB's and wingbacks.
Sporting didn't play 5 at the back either under Amorim. It was far more attacking.
What's happened is you thought him coming and changing the formation would fix all our issues without spending any money. It never was going to.
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You’re right, he hasn't fixed anything. He has made everything much much worse though.
Clearly you can’t see that and think this manager deserves backing for some odd reason.
Fair enough. But he will be gone before Christmas. And we will have wasted more time and limited resources by doing so.
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You're entitled to your opinion. I feel you're being overly harsh and basically papering over everything wrong at the club that isn't his doing.
The much bigger problem at the club is a) why he had to join us in November in the first place and b) recruitment
Recruitment has killed us. Not the formation change.
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Both things can be right mate
I think spurs are winning it tbh and then he will leave. We will struggle to hire a manager of any quality. May end up being a former player or Southgate. We will continue to struggle and achieve nothing. No decent manager is coming here.
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 2 minutes ago
Had we hired Ruben in summer and gave him the £200m to spend on his players we may have been fine and finished in top 8. We will never know that of course.
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What should have happened is RVN should still be here, and Ruben should still be in Portugal, and we should be looking for a manager that plays a proper system and not this w@nk 3/5 at the back one.
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Inter are in another CL final and play 3 CB's and wingbacks.
Sporting didn't play 5 at the back either under Amorim. It was far more attacking.
What's happened is you thought him coming and changing the formation would fix all our issues without spending any money. It never was going to.
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You’re right, he hasn't fixed anything. He has made everything much much worse though.
Clearly you can’t see that and think this manager deserves backing for some odd reason.
Fair enough. But he will be gone before Christmas. And we will have wasted more time and limited resources by doing so.
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You're entitled to your opinion. I feel you're being overly harsh and basically papering over everything wrong at the club that isn't his doing.
The much bigger problem at the club is a) why he had to join us in November in the first place and b) recruitment
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We’re a couple of places above the relegation zone.
With the same resources (and a £30m signing in January), he has achieved far far worse results than the last guy.
The football is abysmal. The players don’t know what to do on the pitch. We can score goals using this formation.
What cracks am I papering over here?
You know what’s crazy, when Eth got sacked, and Ruben was hired; my first comment on the united view was he’d be sacked before December 25. My words even I am suprised this is very likely 🤣 the club is finished. Has been for ages.
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 2 minutes ago
It's his tactics.
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Bilbao, Lyon and Sociedad aren't Real Madrid, PSG and Barcelona obviously but they'd still beat quite a few PL teams. Bilbao and Lyon especially.
I don't think it's strictly tactics that are the issue. We were an utter shambles under ETH between August and October too playing with a back 4. He got sacked for a reason. We were garbage.
So it can't just be tactics unless you're saying that both of their tactics were crap?
The real issue is the players aren't good enough. Rasmus isn't PL standard. It's like playing with 10 men every week. And the GK has been an utter clown for months too which hasn't helped.
The tactics wouldn't be an issue for me if we had more quality players. Sadly we don't.
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 2 minutes ago
Had we hired Ruben in summer and gave him the £200m to spend on his players we may have been fine and finished in top 8. We will never know that of course.
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What should have happened is RVN should still be here, and Ruben should still be in Portugal, and we should be looking for a manager that plays a proper system and not this w@nk 3/5 at the back one.
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Inter are in another CL final and play 3 CB's and wingbacks.
Sporting didn't play 5 at the back either under Amorim. It was far more attacking.
What's happened is you thought him coming and changing the formation would fix all our issues without spending any money. It never was going to.
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You’re right, he hasn't fixed anything. He has made everything much much worse though.
Clearly you can’t see that and think this manager deserves backing for some odd reason.
Fair enough. But he will be gone before Christmas. And we will have wasted more time and limited resources by doing so.
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You're entitled to your opinion. I feel you're being overly harsh and basically papering over everything wrong at the club that isn't his doing.
The much bigger problem at the club is a) why he had to join us in November in the first place and b) recruitment
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We’re a couple of places above the relegation zone.
With the same resources (and a £30m signing in January), he has achieved far far worse results than the last guy.
The football is abysmal. The players don’t know what to do on the pitch. We can score goals using this formation.
What cracks am I papering over here?
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We were crap before he came in too. Managers don't get sacked when things are going well do they?
Who signed Hojlund, Antony, Onana, Mount etc. It wasn't Ruben.
I have always said that picking a manager, especially a Utd manager, is very tough, and you are more likely to get it wrong than right. But all you can do is make sure the circumstances in which you have picked the manager are as optimal as possible and the decision making about picking the manager is competent.
ETH was a fair choice, but we either should have sacked him before 3rd season, or kept him with no ifs or buts - instead we kept him on with all the ifs and buts, which meant he had no authority over the squad etc just a dead man walking.
So this meant we got Amorim who wanted the job but ideally not during the season, which was understandable all round. I don't think it would have been humanly possible for Amorim to turn us down. Who knows when he would get such a chance again.
But we have seen all the issues that has caused. So the ETH decision has affected the next management decision, for the specific choice of Amorim.
Where I do struggle with Amorim, is that he may not have had a pre-season, but various teams play various systems, including his, so whether he has the players or not, we should still be way better than just above relegation. There is more to it than just 'it's the system'. We were making some progress around the turn of the year, we were getting good results against some the better teams, I expected progress of 2 steps forward and 1 back, not 4 steps back and 1 forward.
So Amorim is struggling more than he should be, regardless of everything in the background - the worrying thing is how bad it has got. If we were mid-table, not great but understandable, but I am more understanding of the position that Amorim should maybe go in the summer, than I would have been a couple of months ago.
Deep down I still want him to stay, I still think he could turn it round, but with the feeling in the back of my mind, it shouldn't be this bad currently.
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 minute ago
Please just stop with all this toxic situation malarkey!
A lot of managers took over clubs this season and improved them.
This is a calamitous season from this new manager, there is no way to marinade it. This is new depths of low. This is not a squad to be finishing 17th. The manager has had a lot to do with this. It is embarrassing. The excuses are embarrassing!
I am glad he came out to tackle this nonsense of getting into a stage where Manchester United is acting like the league does not matter. This is a dangerous area and some of our fans are in this sunken place.
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Sack him then and see what happens. It will continue the cycle and nothing will change greatly.
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I don’t have this luxury my friend.
If I did though, it is something I now would be exploring before giving this manager “ his own players.” I have heard this nonsense a few times.
All managers are going to go through times wherein they are going to have players who do not suit their system to a tee. It is high time we wake up and also realise it is going to take a couple of windows to get rid of most of the duds that we have. Are we stating we are happy for Amorim to register these results until that happens?
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He's taking the bullets for mistakes from the last 3years and beyond.
You can put Pep in charge of this team and we'd still be a shambles. He isn't even getting much of a tune out of his current City team with is littered with stars. How would he go with Rasmus Hojlund as his CF and Lindelof still having to play most weeks?
ETH spent £600m on mostly garbage on the back of Ole wasting money on Sancho and AWB and the club spending about £40m too much on Maguire. That's why we are a crap side.
Recruitment has killed us. Not the formation change.
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Stop writing utter gibberish! Managers far less qualified than Guardiola have taken over sides and improved them. I never understand this Guardiola angle, who cares. We would never know.
What we do know is that this manager took over this side when we were 4 points away from 4th.
We are now sitting at 16th, getting beaten black and blue by likes of West Ham. Wake up man.
I for one cannot understand or I do not understand the mindset of fans who want Ruben to receive hundreds of millions of pounds to spend money on his own players to fit his system. We're just going down the same roads we have done previously.
What we need is someone more senior making proper decisions. The manager shouldn't be forcing systems and players on the club at all.
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 minute ago
Please just stop with all this toxic situation malarkey!
A lot of managers took over clubs this season and improved them.
This is a calamitous season from this new manager, there is no way to marinade it. This is new depths of low. This is not a squad to be finishing 17th. The manager has had a lot to do with this. It is embarrassing. The excuses are embarrassing!
I am glad he came out to tackle this nonsense of getting into a stage where Manchester United is acting like the league does not matter. This is a dangerous area and some of our fans are in this sunken place.
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Sack him then and see what happens. It will continue the cycle and nothing will change greatly.
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I don’t have this luxury my friend.
If I did though, it is something I now would be exploring before giving this manager “ his own players.” I have heard this nonsense a few times.
All managers are going to go through times wherein they are going to have players who do not suit their system to a tee. It is high time we wake up and also realise it is going to take a couple of windows to get rid of most of the duds that we have. Are we stating we are happy for Amorim to register these results until that happens?
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He's taking the bullets for mistakes from the last 3years and beyond.
You can put Pep in charge of this team and we'd still be a shambles. He isn't even getting much of a tune out of his current City team with is littered with stars. How would he go with Rasmus Hojlund as his CF and Lindelof still having to play most weeks?
ETH spent £600m on mostly garbage on the back of Ole wasting money on Sancho and AWB and the club spending about £40m too much on Maguire. That's why we are a crap side.
Recruitment has killed us. Not the formation change.
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Stop writing utter gibberish! Managers far less qualified than Guardiola have taken over sides and improved them. I never understand this Guardiola angle, who cares. We would never know.
What we do know is that this manager took over this side when we were 4 points away from 4th.
We are now sitting at 16th, getting beaten black and blue by likes of West Ham. Wake up man.
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We were 13th and 6pts off CL spot but as this has already been pointed out that wasn't an achievement. We were 6pts behind because it was only October not because we were doing okay. The trajectory we were on that 6pts gap was going to widen anyway.
I have seen this squad play with a back 4 and a back 3 with wingbacks this season. It was crap in both formations.
Also lets not forget that ETH didn't win any of the 3 Europa League games he managed this season. We drew all 3 of them before he was sacked. So Ruben has improved us into Europe at least.
Bringing a manager in to change formation in November is a sign of massive failure on the club not the new boss. He warned them it wouldn't be easy.
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 7 seconds ago
I for one cannot understand or I do not understand the mindset of fans who want Ruben to receive hundreds of millions of pounds to spend money on his own players to fit his system. We're just going down the same roads we have done previously.
What we need is someone more senior making proper decisions. The manager shouldn't be forcing systems and players on the club at all.
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This!!!
I would not trust this manager following on from what he has shown a penny to get his own players. Very foolish thinking this. We should be getting players who would fit into the system of managers this club would be appointing moving forward and not to fit one managers specific style. This is the same nonsense approach that got us here.
Scholay - we were clearly sliding down the table under Ten Hag, we wouldn’t be much better. The fact is no manager of any quality is replacing Ruben. I do think Southgate is the best option we have now anyway after Ruben. Try and bring some good vibes and make these players happy. No top player will join and no top manager will come here. It’s a reputation destroyer and the money is drying up. So we can’t outbid anymore. We are at best a mid table side now. Have to hope the likes of Rasmus respond to a people manager like Southgate. I’m concerned though even he may turn us down. Maybe a carrick? Maybe we can look at McKenna.
Ali - the manager isn’t. The club hired Ruben for his system and that’s what the new owners want. Hence why they hired him. They wanted the system change.
We keep talking about systems. Players go from club to club and play in various systems. If Amorim stays, and whichever players are brought in, I find it hard to believe that if it doesn't work out, they couldn't suddenly play 4-3-3, or 4-2-3-1 or whatever.
If it's not working for Amorim, it's because of Amorim, not the system.
Now of course every manager needs certain players to come in that he wants, but that's the same for every team - the changing of a squad happens over time, during that time there will always be some players who remain, it's rarely a complete overhaul.
We have already brought in some of those players. the key is still maintaining an acceptable le level whilst making those changes - that is the same for everyone. Amorim hasn't done that yet, and because he has gone into reverse, it means he will need to make a good start next season.
I doubt we will spend crazy over the summer - the areas we need to address, need to be addressed regardless. Then It's over to Amorim to either prove himself, or he will indeed be sacked.
Scholay - it’s quite clear they hired Ruben for his system. No other reason why they would and it’s very clear in the interviews he made that clear. The club went open eyes into it. It was obviously going to fail anyway as there are no ingredients to succeed at this club. Only deluded fans think we can actually achieved anything broke, with these owners, trying to build a new stadium 🤣 we are finished for decades. Ruben will have learnt a lot from this experience, don’t joint clubs that are in turmoil. Top managers like Pep would never join such a shambolic, tired, desperate club like United.
comment by unitedwedontwin (U23240)
posted 8 seconds ago
Ali - the manager isn’t. The club hired Ruben for his system and that’s what the new owners want. Hence why they hired him. They wanted the system change.
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And he even warned them he wanted to wait till the summer as he wouldn't the time or resources to implement his ideas mid season.
This is all on the club. Blaming Amorim is lunacy. If anything he should have stuck to his guns and told them it's me in summer 25 or find somebody else. To leave Sporting who were walking the league and unbeaten to join this shambles of a squad mid season was very brave and perhaps a little naive too.
I have never been a fan of changing managers mid season. ETH should have bee sacked the week after we beat City. You can't actively interview his replacement and then go back on it. What kind of club does that? Only a circus club like ours.
All Ineos's doing this. They bottled it big time. Had City won that final as many expected them to do, there's no way he'd have survived.
comment by unitedwedontwin (U23240)
posted 2 minutes ago
Scholay - it’s quite clear they hired Ruben for his system. No other reason why they would and it’s very clear in the interviews he made that clear. The club went open eyes into it. It was obviously going to fail anyway as there are no ingredients to succeed at this club. Only deluded fans think we can actually achieved anything broke, with these owners, trying to build a new stadium 🤣 we are finished for decades. Ruben will have learnt a lot from this experience, don’t joint clubs that are in turmoil. Top managers like Pep would never join such a shambolic, tired, desperate club like United.
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This is also a very good point that these numpties are not picking up on.
Say we sack Amorim.....that's going to be yet another nail in the coffin for talented managers to want to join us. Everyone can see in Italy, Germany, Spain n France that 95% of the issues we have aren't of Ruben's doing.
We're fast going to become the club that top coaches will actively avoid if we're not careful. We are almost there as it is.
Stretford
Ruben issue is he is a young manager at 40 and he didn’t realise just how poor this club is. It’s poor in all facets. I don’t think we will even win europa tbh. I think Ruben has a lot of pride and may just walk. I think we may have to get a former player in to replace him or some mid table manager. We have zero chance of attracting elite level. Ruben made an error coming here as there is no way to succeed. We are broke, trying to build a new stadium, owners who have zero clue and have an awful squad. It’s not a recipe for success.
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 2 minutes ago
It's his tactics.
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Bilbao, Lyon and Sociedad aren't Real Madrid, PSG and Barcelona obviously but they'd still beat quite a few PL teams. Bilbao and Lyon especially.
I don't think it's strictly tactics that are the issue. We were an utter shambles under ETH between August and October too playing with a back 4. He got sacked for a reason. We were garbage.
So it can't just be tactics unless you're saying that both of their tactics were crap?
The real issue is the players aren't good enough. Rasmus isn't PL standard. It's like playing with 10 men every week. And the GK has been an utter clown for months too which hasn't helped.
The tactics wouldn't be an issue for me if we had more quality players. Sadly we don't.
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Yeah, fair enough, it's too simplistic just to say it's his tactics.
But you cut your cloth accordingly, and his tactics are a big reason we are so far down in the PL.
6 wins in 25? He's taken over a squad of perceived poor, underachieving players and made them worse.
I fail to see why he can't adapt his tactics in the short term? To try and get the players used to the system ready for next season even though half the players will likely not be here? Don't see the logic.
Stretford - they are deluded. They think we can pick any manager we want. We can’t. It’s why we got an up coming, unproven at this level, manager like Ruben. The established top level experienced manager won’t risk it to be here. We are either going to have to get a former player, or just some mid table level manager.
comment by unitedwedontwin (U23240)
posted 22 seconds ago
Stretford - they are deluded. They think we can pick any manager we want. We can’t. It’s why we got an up coming, unproven at this level, manager like Ruben. The established top level experienced manager won’t risk it to be here. We are either going to have to get a former player, or just some mid table level manager.
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Managers like Iraiola, Glasner and Howe, just to name a few, would have us performing much much better.
Of that I have no doubt.
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posted on 12/5/25
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 2 minutes ago
Had we hired Ruben in summer and gave him the £200m to spend on his players we may have been fine and finished in top 8. We will never know that of course.
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What should have happened is RVN should still be here, and Ruben should still be in Portugal, and we should be looking for a manager that plays a proper system and not this w@nk 3/5 at the back one.
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Inter are in another CL final and play 3 CB's and wingbacks.
Sporting didn't play 5 at the back either under Amorim. It was far more attacking.
What's happened is you thought him coming and changing the formation would fix all our issues without spending any money. It never was going to.
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You’re right, he hasn't fixed anything. He has made everything much much worse though.
Clearly you can’t see that and think this manager deserves backing for some odd reason.
Fair enough. But he will be gone before Christmas. And we will have wasted more time and limited resources by doing so.
posted on 12/5/25
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 minute ago
Please just stop with all this toxic situation malarkey!
A lot of managers took over clubs this season and improved them.
This is a calamitous season from this new manager, there is no way to marinade it. This is new depths of low. This is not a squad to be finishing 17th. The manager has had a lot to do with this. It is embarrassing. The excuses are embarrassing!
I am glad he came out to tackle this nonsense of getting into a stage where Manchester United is acting like the league does not matter. This is a dangerous area and some of our fans are in this sunken place.
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Sack him then and see what happens. It will continue the cycle and nothing will change greatly.
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I don’t have this luxury my friend.
If I did though, it is something I now would be exploring before giving this manager “ his own players.” I have heard this nonsense a few times.
All managers are going to go through times wherein they are going to have players who do not suit their system to a tee. It is high time we wake up and also realise it is going to take a couple of windows to get rid of most of the duds that we have. Are we stating we are happy for Amorim to register these results until that happens?
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He's taking the bullets for mistakes from the last 3years and beyond.
You can put Pep in charge of this team and we'd still be a shambles. He isn't even getting much of a tune out of his current City team with is littered with stars. How would he go with Rasmus Hojlund as his CF and Lindelof still having to play most weeks?
ETH spent £600m on mostly garbage on the back of Ole wasting money on Sancho and AWB and the club spending about £40m too much on Maguire. That's why we are a crap side.
Recruitment has killed us. Not the formation change.
posted on 12/5/25
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 2 minutes ago
Had we hired Ruben in summer and gave him the £200m to spend on his players we may have been fine and finished in top 8. We will never know that of course.
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What should have happened is RVN should still be here, and Ruben should still be in Portugal, and we should be looking for a manager that plays a proper system and not this w@nk 3/5 at the back one.
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Inter are in another CL final and play 3 CB's and wingbacks.
Sporting didn't play 5 at the back either under Amorim. It was far more attacking.
What's happened is you thought him coming and changing the formation would fix all our issues without spending any money. It never was going to.
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You’re right, he hasn't fixed anything. He has made everything much much worse though.
Clearly you can’t see that and think this manager deserves backing for some odd reason.
Fair enough. But he will be gone before Christmas. And we will have wasted more time and limited resources by doing so.
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You're entitled to your opinion. I feel you're being overly harsh and basically papering over everything wrong at the club that isn't his doing.
The much bigger problem at the club is a) why he had to join us in November in the first place and b) recruitment
posted on 12/5/25
It's his tactics.
posted on 12/5/25
Recruitment has killed us. Not the formation change.
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Both things can be right mate
posted on 12/5/25
I think spurs are winning it tbh and then he will leave. We will struggle to hire a manager of any quality. May end up being a former player or Southgate. We will continue to struggle and achieve nothing. No decent manager is coming here.
posted on 12/5/25
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 2 minutes ago
Had we hired Ruben in summer and gave him the £200m to spend on his players we may have been fine and finished in top 8. We will never know that of course.
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What should have happened is RVN should still be here, and Ruben should still be in Portugal, and we should be looking for a manager that plays a proper system and not this w@nk 3/5 at the back one.
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Inter are in another CL final and play 3 CB's and wingbacks.
Sporting didn't play 5 at the back either under Amorim. It was far more attacking.
What's happened is you thought him coming and changing the formation would fix all our issues without spending any money. It never was going to.
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You’re right, he hasn't fixed anything. He has made everything much much worse though.
Clearly you can’t see that and think this manager deserves backing for some odd reason.
Fair enough. But he will be gone before Christmas. And we will have wasted more time and limited resources by doing so.
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You're entitled to your opinion. I feel you're being overly harsh and basically papering over everything wrong at the club that isn't his doing.
The much bigger problem at the club is a) why he had to join us in November in the first place and b) recruitment
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We’re a couple of places above the relegation zone.
With the same resources (and a £30m signing in January), he has achieved far far worse results than the last guy.
The football is abysmal. The players don’t know what to do on the pitch. We can score goals using this formation.
What cracks am I papering over here?
posted on 12/5/25
You know what’s crazy, when Eth got sacked, and Ruben was hired; my first comment on the united view was he’d be sacked before December 25. My words even I am suprised this is very likely 🤣 the club is finished. Has been for ages.
posted on 12/5/25
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 2 minutes ago
It's his tactics.
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Bilbao, Lyon and Sociedad aren't Real Madrid, PSG and Barcelona obviously but they'd still beat quite a few PL teams. Bilbao and Lyon especially.
I don't think it's strictly tactics that are the issue. We were an utter shambles under ETH between August and October too playing with a back 4. He got sacked for a reason. We were garbage.
So it can't just be tactics unless you're saying that both of their tactics were crap?
The real issue is the players aren't good enough. Rasmus isn't PL standard. It's like playing with 10 men every week. And the GK has been an utter clown for months too which hasn't helped.
The tactics wouldn't be an issue for me if we had more quality players. Sadly we don't.
posted on 12/5/25
comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
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comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
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comment by Keanos Magic Hat (U10101)
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comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
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comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 2 minutes ago
Had we hired Ruben in summer and gave him the £200m to spend on his players we may have been fine and finished in top 8. We will never know that of course.
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What should have happened is RVN should still be here, and Ruben should still be in Portugal, and we should be looking for a manager that plays a proper system and not this w@nk 3/5 at the back one.
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Inter are in another CL final and play 3 CB's and wingbacks.
Sporting didn't play 5 at the back either under Amorim. It was far more attacking.
What's happened is you thought him coming and changing the formation would fix all our issues without spending any money. It never was going to.
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You’re right, he hasn't fixed anything. He has made everything much much worse though.
Clearly you can’t see that and think this manager deserves backing for some odd reason.
Fair enough. But he will be gone before Christmas. And we will have wasted more time and limited resources by doing so.
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You're entitled to your opinion. I feel you're being overly harsh and basically papering over everything wrong at the club that isn't his doing.
The much bigger problem at the club is a) why he had to join us in November in the first place and b) recruitment
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We’re a couple of places above the relegation zone.
With the same resources (and a £30m signing in January), he has achieved far far worse results than the last guy.
The football is abysmal. The players don’t know what to do on the pitch. We can score goals using this formation.
What cracks am I papering over here?
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We were crap before he came in too. Managers don't get sacked when things are going well do they?
Who signed Hojlund, Antony, Onana, Mount etc. It wasn't Ruben.
posted on 12/5/25
I have always said that picking a manager, especially a Utd manager, is very tough, and you are more likely to get it wrong than right. But all you can do is make sure the circumstances in which you have picked the manager are as optimal as possible and the decision making about picking the manager is competent.
ETH was a fair choice, but we either should have sacked him before 3rd season, or kept him with no ifs or buts - instead we kept him on with all the ifs and buts, which meant he had no authority over the squad etc just a dead man walking.
So this meant we got Amorim who wanted the job but ideally not during the season, which was understandable all round. I don't think it would have been humanly possible for Amorim to turn us down. Who knows when he would get such a chance again.
But we have seen all the issues that has caused. So the ETH decision has affected the next management decision, for the specific choice of Amorim.
Where I do struggle with Amorim, is that he may not have had a pre-season, but various teams play various systems, including his, so whether he has the players or not, we should still be way better than just above relegation. There is more to it than just 'it's the system'. We were making some progress around the turn of the year, we were getting good results against some the better teams, I expected progress of 2 steps forward and 1 back, not 4 steps back and 1 forward.
So Amorim is struggling more than he should be, regardless of everything in the background - the worrying thing is how bad it has got. If we were mid-table, not great but understandable, but I am more understanding of the position that Amorim should maybe go in the summer, than I would have been a couple of months ago.
Deep down I still want him to stay, I still think he could turn it round, but with the feeling in the back of my mind, it shouldn't be this bad currently.
posted on 12/5/25
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
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comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 minute ago
Please just stop with all this toxic situation malarkey!
A lot of managers took over clubs this season and improved them.
This is a calamitous season from this new manager, there is no way to marinade it. This is new depths of low. This is not a squad to be finishing 17th. The manager has had a lot to do with this. It is embarrassing. The excuses are embarrassing!
I am glad he came out to tackle this nonsense of getting into a stage where Manchester United is acting like the league does not matter. This is a dangerous area and some of our fans are in this sunken place.
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Sack him then and see what happens. It will continue the cycle and nothing will change greatly.
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I don’t have this luxury my friend.
If I did though, it is something I now would be exploring before giving this manager “ his own players.” I have heard this nonsense a few times.
All managers are going to go through times wherein they are going to have players who do not suit their system to a tee. It is high time we wake up and also realise it is going to take a couple of windows to get rid of most of the duds that we have. Are we stating we are happy for Amorim to register these results until that happens?
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He's taking the bullets for mistakes from the last 3years and beyond.
You can put Pep in charge of this team and we'd still be a shambles. He isn't even getting much of a tune out of his current City team with is littered with stars. How would he go with Rasmus Hojlund as his CF and Lindelof still having to play most weeks?
ETH spent £600m on mostly garbage on the back of Ole wasting money on Sancho and AWB and the club spending about £40m too much on Maguire. That's why we are a crap side.
Recruitment has killed us. Not the formation change.
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Stop writing utter gibberish! Managers far less qualified than Guardiola have taken over sides and improved them. I never understand this Guardiola angle, who cares. We would never know.
What we do know is that this manager took over this side when we were 4 points away from 4th.
We are now sitting at 16th, getting beaten black and blue by likes of West Ham. Wake up man.
posted on 12/5/25
I for one cannot understand or I do not understand the mindset of fans who want Ruben to receive hundreds of millions of pounds to spend money on his own players to fit his system. We're just going down the same roads we have done previously.
What we need is someone more senior making proper decisions. The manager shouldn't be forcing systems and players on the club at all.
posted on 12/5/25
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
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comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 minute ago
Please just stop with all this toxic situation malarkey!
A lot of managers took over clubs this season and improved them.
This is a calamitous season from this new manager, there is no way to marinade it. This is new depths of low. This is not a squad to be finishing 17th. The manager has had a lot to do with this. It is embarrassing. The excuses are embarrassing!
I am glad he came out to tackle this nonsense of getting into a stage where Manchester United is acting like the league does not matter. This is a dangerous area and some of our fans are in this sunken place.
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Sack him then and see what happens. It will continue the cycle and nothing will change greatly.
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I don’t have this luxury my friend.
If I did though, it is something I now would be exploring before giving this manager “ his own players.” I have heard this nonsense a few times.
All managers are going to go through times wherein they are going to have players who do not suit their system to a tee. It is high time we wake up and also realise it is going to take a couple of windows to get rid of most of the duds that we have. Are we stating we are happy for Amorim to register these results until that happens?
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He's taking the bullets for mistakes from the last 3years and beyond.
You can put Pep in charge of this team and we'd still be a shambles. He isn't even getting much of a tune out of his current City team with is littered with stars. How would he go with Rasmus Hojlund as his CF and Lindelof still having to play most weeks?
ETH spent £600m on mostly garbage on the back of Ole wasting money on Sancho and AWB and the club spending about £40m too much on Maguire. That's why we are a crap side.
Recruitment has killed us. Not the formation change.
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Stop writing utter gibberish! Managers far less qualified than Guardiola have taken over sides and improved them. I never understand this Guardiola angle, who cares. We would never know.
What we do know is that this manager took over this side when we were 4 points away from 4th.
We are now sitting at 16th, getting beaten black and blue by likes of West Ham. Wake up man.
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We were 13th and 6pts off CL spot but as this has already been pointed out that wasn't an achievement. We were 6pts behind because it was only October not because we were doing okay. The trajectory we were on that 6pts gap was going to widen anyway.
I have seen this squad play with a back 4 and a back 3 with wingbacks this season. It was crap in both formations.
Also lets not forget that ETH didn't win any of the 3 Europa League games he managed this season. We drew all 3 of them before he was sacked. So Ruben has improved us into Europe at least.
Bringing a manager in to change formation in November is a sign of massive failure on the club not the new boss. He warned them it wouldn't be easy.
posted on 12/5/25
comment by Ali - 🇪🇦 🏴 (U1192)
posted 7 seconds ago
I for one cannot understand or I do not understand the mindset of fans who want Ruben to receive hundreds of millions of pounds to spend money on his own players to fit his system. We're just going down the same roads we have done previously.
What we need is someone more senior making proper decisions. The manager shouldn't be forcing systems and players on the club at all.
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This!!!
I would not trust this manager following on from what he has shown a penny to get his own players. Very foolish thinking this. We should be getting players who would fit into the system of managers this club would be appointing moving forward and not to fit one managers specific style. This is the same nonsense approach that got us here.
posted on 12/5/25
Scholay - we were clearly sliding down the table under Ten Hag, we wouldn’t be much better. The fact is no manager of any quality is replacing Ruben. I do think Southgate is the best option we have now anyway after Ruben. Try and bring some good vibes and make these players happy. No top player will join and no top manager will come here. It’s a reputation destroyer and the money is drying up. So we can’t outbid anymore. We are at best a mid table side now. Have to hope the likes of Rasmus respond to a people manager like Southgate. I’m concerned though even he may turn us down. Maybe a carrick? Maybe we can look at McKenna.
posted on 12/5/25
Ali - the manager isn’t. The club hired Ruben for his system and that’s what the new owners want. Hence why they hired him. They wanted the system change.
posted on 12/5/25
We keep talking about systems. Players go from club to club and play in various systems. If Amorim stays, and whichever players are brought in, I find it hard to believe that if it doesn't work out, they couldn't suddenly play 4-3-3, or 4-2-3-1 or whatever.
If it's not working for Amorim, it's because of Amorim, not the system.
Now of course every manager needs certain players to come in that he wants, but that's the same for every team - the changing of a squad happens over time, during that time there will always be some players who remain, it's rarely a complete overhaul.
We have already brought in some of those players. the key is still maintaining an acceptable le level whilst making those changes - that is the same for everyone. Amorim hasn't done that yet, and because he has gone into reverse, it means he will need to make a good start next season.
I doubt we will spend crazy over the summer - the areas we need to address, need to be addressed regardless. Then It's over to Amorim to either prove himself, or he will indeed be sacked.
posted on 12/5/25
Scholay - it’s quite clear they hired Ruben for his system. No other reason why they would and it’s very clear in the interviews he made that clear. The club went open eyes into it. It was obviously going to fail anyway as there are no ingredients to succeed at this club. Only deluded fans think we can actually achieved anything broke, with these owners, trying to build a new stadium 🤣 we are finished for decades. Ruben will have learnt a lot from this experience, don’t joint clubs that are in turmoil. Top managers like Pep would never join such a shambolic, tired, desperate club like United.
posted on 12/5/25
comment by unitedwedontwin (U23240)
posted 8 seconds ago
Ali - the manager isn’t. The club hired Ruben for his system and that’s what the new owners want. Hence why they hired him. They wanted the system change.
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And he even warned them he wanted to wait till the summer as he wouldn't the time or resources to implement his ideas mid season.
This is all on the club. Blaming Amorim is lunacy. If anything he should have stuck to his guns and told them it's me in summer 25 or find somebody else. To leave Sporting who were walking the league and unbeaten to join this shambles of a squad mid season was very brave and perhaps a little naive too.
I have never been a fan of changing managers mid season. ETH should have bee sacked the week after we beat City. You can't actively interview his replacement and then go back on it. What kind of club does that? Only a circus club like ours.
All Ineos's doing this. They bottled it big time. Had City won that final as many expected them to do, there's no way he'd have survived.
posted on 12/5/25
comment by unitedwedontwin (U23240)
posted 2 minutes ago
Scholay - it’s quite clear they hired Ruben for his system. No other reason why they would and it’s very clear in the interviews he made that clear. The club went open eyes into it. It was obviously going to fail anyway as there are no ingredients to succeed at this club. Only deluded fans think we can actually achieved anything broke, with these owners, trying to build a new stadium 🤣 we are finished for decades. Ruben will have learnt a lot from this experience, don’t joint clubs that are in turmoil. Top managers like Pep would never join such a shambolic, tired, desperate club like United.
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This is also a very good point that these numpties are not picking up on.
Say we sack Amorim.....that's going to be yet another nail in the coffin for talented managers to want to join us. Everyone can see in Italy, Germany, Spain n France that 95% of the issues we have aren't of Ruben's doing.
We're fast going to become the club that top coaches will actively avoid if we're not careful. We are almost there as it is.
posted on 12/5/25
Stretford
Ruben issue is he is a young manager at 40 and he didn’t realise just how poor this club is. It’s poor in all facets. I don’t think we will even win europa tbh. I think Ruben has a lot of pride and may just walk. I think we may have to get a former player in to replace him or some mid table manager. We have zero chance of attracting elite level. Ruben made an error coming here as there is no way to succeed. We are broke, trying to build a new stadium, owners who have zero clue and have an awful squad. It’s not a recipe for success.
posted on 12/5/25
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 2 minutes ago
It's his tactics.
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Bilbao, Lyon and Sociedad aren't Real Madrid, PSG and Barcelona obviously but they'd still beat quite a few PL teams. Bilbao and Lyon especially.
I don't think it's strictly tactics that are the issue. We were an utter shambles under ETH between August and October too playing with a back 4. He got sacked for a reason. We were garbage.
So it can't just be tactics unless you're saying that both of their tactics were crap?
The real issue is the players aren't good enough. Rasmus isn't PL standard. It's like playing with 10 men every week. And the GK has been an utter clown for months too which hasn't helped.
The tactics wouldn't be an issue for me if we had more quality players. Sadly we don't.
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Yeah, fair enough, it's too simplistic just to say it's his tactics.
But you cut your cloth accordingly, and his tactics are a big reason we are so far down in the PL.
6 wins in 25? He's taken over a squad of perceived poor, underachieving players and made them worse.
I fail to see why he can't adapt his tactics in the short term? To try and get the players used to the system ready for next season even though half the players will likely not be here? Don't see the logic.
posted on 12/5/25
Stretford - they are deluded. They think we can pick any manager we want. We can’t. It’s why we got an up coming, unproven at this level, manager like Ruben. The established top level experienced manager won’t risk it to be here. We are either going to have to get a former player, or just some mid table level manager.
posted on 12/5/25
comment by unitedwedontwin (U23240)
posted 22 seconds ago
Stretford - they are deluded. They think we can pick any manager we want. We can’t. It’s why we got an up coming, unproven at this level, manager like Ruben. The established top level experienced manager won’t risk it to be here. We are either going to have to get a former player, or just some mid table level manager.
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Managers like Iraiola, Glasner and Howe, just to name a few, would have us performing much much better.
Of that I have no doubt.
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