The final game of the season against Villa is going to be very interesting indeed given it's coming 4 days after the final.
It's either going to be a huge Party with the trophy out on parade around the pitch at the end or if we get beat by Spurs I think we could be looking at the lowest PL attendance at home for decades. Nothing to play for and nobody is getting a lap of honour this season without a trophy. Villa will also have a lot riding on that game so you'd think they'd beat us quite easily.
Nonsense scholay and easily countered: we also finished 2nd and 3rd with Bruno. Reason we have been poor this season is more to do with the other players being dreadful. A keeper who has one of highest error rates, poor defence, strikers who are rubbish, attackers who can’t pass, midfielders who can’t pass or run.
When Bruno hasn’t played we have looked poor. So I think football is not for you. No Bruno and we’d not be in a europa league final. We may even be being relegated. But maybe you think Zirkzee would be the answer or mainoo or some other player who produces nothing But a nice flick.
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Nonsense scholay and easily countered: we also finished 2nd and 3rd with Bruno. Reason we have been poor this season is more to do with the other players being dreadful. A keeper who has one of highest error rates, poor defence, strikers who are rubbish, attackers who can’t pass, midfielders who can’t pass or run.
When Bruno hasn’t played we have looked poor. So I think football is not for you. No Bruno and we’d not be in a europa league final. We may even be being relegated. But maybe you think Zirkzee would be the answer or mainoo or some other player who produces nothing But a nice flick.
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He's lashing out like a 6 year old brat who didn't get a pony for her birthday.
It's clearly evident that Bruno isn't the reason we are 16th for anyone with more than one braincell.
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That team shouldn't be 17th though by the way.
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We're 16th but I still don't think you're right.
When you have a striker who can't score goals at this level you're not going to finish top half. The guy we bought as his deputy, Zirkzee, has 3 PL goals all season too. Neither of them are good enough.
If we had decent forwards we'd probably be about 8th to 10th. Still not good enough for United but we wouldn't have been flirting with relegation in February like we briefly did.
We are where we deserve to be. We can't score goals.
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I'm right then as we're not 17th!
We should be doing better than 17th but the point we need better forwards is so plain to see. A reliable goalscorer hides a lot of sins. Rasmus missed two very good chances yesterday. Score those and the narrative about our performances change.
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How though? If your main two strikers don't have 8 PL goals between them all season how are we going to be above 16th?
Stop signing crap players. That's what we need to do.
All the people who scoffed at Ivan Toney as a 3/4 season punt might be regretting that stance now. He's better than these two clowns combined and was right there for £40m.
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I've accepted the fact we have poor forwards but, even then, we should be better than 16th! The positive, if you can call it that, is that even an average forward would elevate us!
Stretford - the same fans who usually dislike Bruno like Zirkzee 🤣 it’s hilarious. They like these players who do nothing all game but just a nice touch or flick. That’s the issue at United. Too many of these players who do nothing. Bruno is the only attacker that does something. He does his job. We need more players who do their job! Like a keeper that can save the ball consistently for example, or a striker that scores. Let’s start there. Let’s not sell our only productive player to replace him inevitably with a poor unproductive player.
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Forget we won’t have Rooney and ronaldo scholay - we don’t have Saha, ole or Alan smith. We don’t even have that. Our players are at the level of Chris Eagles and Richardson. That’s the level. Ferguson made the decision to remove Ruud for the betterment of the team as he knew he had replacement players ready to go. What do we have ready to go? Garbage
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We are garbage with Bruno. We are 16th.
The hypocrisy of this place knows no bounds. The system we have in place is set up to get the best out of bruno. Vc explained this as clear as anyone could. The best for him is not yielding the best for Manchester United.
If you can’t see this, football is not for you.
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No doubt I will get pelters for this, but Amorim's system is 3-4-3 and Bruno is fitted into this system. But i thought you said this was not an ideal system for Bruno, but at the same time you are saying we are building the team around him. Surely it is one or the other, not both?
I would understand more if playing Bruno in a system not suited to him was holding us back, but to me, this is nowhere near the case - it seems crazy to suggest otherwise and therefore equally as crazy not to play him in our current predicament?
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Nonsense scholay and easily countered: we also finished 2nd and 3rd with Bruno. Reason we have been poor this season is more to do with the other players being dreadful. A keeper who has one of highest error rates, poor defence, strikers who are rubbish, attackers who can’t pass, midfielders who can’t pass or run.
When Bruno hasn’t played we have looked poor. So I think football is not for you. No Bruno and we’d not be in a europa league final. We may even be being relegated. But maybe you think Zirkzee would be the answer or mainoo or some other player who produces nothing But a nice flick.
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A diabolical 2nd if I’ve ever seen one. This was no 2nd place similar to Klopp hunting down city.
It is a stupid argument to state no Bruno, we would not be here or there. I repeat, we are talking about moving forward. To think the suggestion here is sell Bruno and just proceed with zirkzhee is what is being said is verging on delusional.
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Forget we won’t have Rooney and ronaldo scholay - we don’t have Saha, ole or Alan smith. We don’t even have that. Our players are at the level of Chris Eagles and Richardson. That’s the level. Ferguson made the decision to remove Ruud for the betterment of the team as he knew he had replacement players ready to go. What do we have ready to go? Garbage
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We are garbage with Bruno. We are 16th.
The hypocrisy of this place knows no bounds. The system we have in place is set up to get the best out of bruno. Vc explained this as clear as anyone could. The best for him is not yielding the best for Manchester United.
If you can’t see this, football is not for you.
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No doubt I will get pelters for this, but Amorim's system is 3-4-3 and Bruno is fitted into this system. But i thought you said this was not an ideal system for Bruno, but at the same time you are saying we are building the team around him. Surely it is one or the other, not both?
I would understand more if playing Bruno in a system not suited to him was holding us back, but to me, this is nowhere near the case - it seems crazy to suggest otherwise and therefore equally as crazy not to play him in our current predicament?
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Fits in to benefit his GA. It is not beneficial for this team.
Throughout the season, when we have had everyone fit, you could see Amorim moving him around to always fit him in somewhere.
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Nonsense scholay and easily countered: we also finished 2nd and 3rd with Bruno. Reason we have been poor this season is more to do with the other players being dreadful. A keeper who has one of highest error rates, poor defence, strikers who are rubbish, attackers who can’t pass, midfielders who can’t pass or run.
When Bruno hasn’t played we have looked poor. So I think football is not for you. No Bruno and we’d not be in a europa league final. We may even be being relegated. But maybe you think Zirkzee would be the answer or mainoo or some other player who produces nothing But a nice flick.
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He's lashing out like a 6 year old brat who didn't get a pony for her birthday.
It's clearly evident that Bruno isn't the reason we are 16th for anyone with more than one braincell.
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If having a dialogue where we disagree is me lashing out, it shows your level of maturity.
Believe you me when I tell you, I am not lashing out. We are languishing in 16th!!! There is no need to lash out anymore. We are a joke.
Scholay - we are financially broke trying to build a stadium. Any sell of Bruno will go on loss of income. We are not signing a top replacement. Likely a young unproven player to complement Mainoo, mount and Zirkzee 🤣
it would be helpful if you included quotes on the article
Scholay - he’s not fitting Him in 🤣 he’s far better than mainoo as a 10 and 6 and 8. He’s better then Ugarte in Ugarte best position. He’s better than Casemiro in the prem in his position and he’s better than anyone else. If anything hes sacrificing Bruno due to the others being so poor. He’s our best central midfielder as well as our best attacking midfielder and would also be our best striker if he played up top.
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Forget we won’t have Rooney and ronaldo scholay - we don’t have Saha, ole or Alan smith. We don’t even have that. Our players are at the level of Chris Eagles and Richardson. That’s the level. Ferguson made the decision to remove Ruud for the betterment of the team as he knew he had replacement players ready to go. What do we have ready to go? Garbage
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We are garbage with Bruno. We are 16th.
The hypocrisy of this place knows no bounds. The system we have in place is set up to get the best out of bruno. Vc explained this as clear as anyone could. The best for him is not yielding the best for Manchester United.
If you can’t see this, football is not for you.
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No doubt I will get pelters for this, but Amorim's system is 3-4-3 and Bruno is fitted into this system. But i thought you said this was not an ideal system for Bruno, but at the same time you are saying we are building the team around him. Surely it is one or the other, not both?
I would understand more if playing Bruno in a system not suited to him was holding us back, but to me, this is nowhere near the case - it seems crazy to suggest otherwise and therefore equally as crazy not to play him in our current predicament?
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Fits in to benefit his GA. It is not beneficial for this team.
Throughout the season, when we have had everyone fit, you could see Amorim moving him around to always fit him in somewhere.
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So are you saying that Bruno shouldn't be starting? Given how poor the rest of the team is, that would seem a bit suicidal?
Is your view that playing this system with our current players without Bruno is better than playing with him in it?
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Stretford - they are deluded. They think we can pick any manager we want. We can’t. It’s why we got an up coming, unproven at this level, manager like Ruben. The established top level experienced manager won’t risk it to be here. We are either going to have to get a former player, or just some mid table level manager.
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At the end I suspect that's the problem. It might take an actual relegation for it to kick in. I remember Rangnick basically saying we need what we trying (very poorly still) to do. There are a lot that think it's still a few tweaks, good old 4-3-3 and everything will be peachy.
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Forget we won’t have Rooney and ronaldo scholay - we don’t have Saha, ole or Alan smith. We don’t even have that. Our players are at the level of Chris Eagles and Richardson. That’s the level. Ferguson made the decision to remove Ruud for the betterment of the team as he knew he had replacement players ready to go. What do we have ready to go? Garbage
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We are garbage with Bruno. We are 16th.
The hypocrisy of this place knows no bounds. The system we have in place is set up to get the best out of bruno. Vc explained this as clear as anyone could. The best for him is not yielding the best for Manchester United.
If you can’t see this, football is not for you.
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No doubt I will get pelters for this, but Amorim's system is 3-4-3 and Bruno is fitted into this system. But i thought you said this was not an ideal system for Bruno, but at the same time you are saying we are building the team around him. Surely it is one or the other, not both?
I would understand more if playing Bruno in a system not suited to him was holding us back, but to me, this is nowhere near the case - it seems crazy to suggest otherwise and therefore equally as crazy not to play him in our current predicament?
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Bruno is not fitted, he is just the most talented and thus has to be built around. Only one manager has really had a formation that suited Bruno and that is Ole.
Jose was right, Rangnick was right, Amorim is right.
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Forget we won’t have Rooney and ronaldo scholay - we don’t have Saha, ole or Alan smith. We don’t even have that. Our players are at the level of Chris Eagles and Richardson. That’s the level. Ferguson made the decision to remove Ruud for the betterment of the team as he knew he had replacement players ready to go. What do we have ready to go? Garbage
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We are garbage with Bruno. We are 16th.
The hypocrisy of this place knows no bounds. The system we have in place is set up to get the best out of bruno. Vc explained this as clear as anyone could. The best for him is not yielding the best for Manchester United.
If you can’t see this, football is not for you.
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No doubt I will get pelters for this, but Amorim's system is 3-4-3 and Bruno is fitted into this system. But i thought you said this was not an ideal system for Bruno, but at the same time you are saying we are building the team around him. Surely it is one or the other, not both?
I would understand more if playing Bruno in a system not suited to him was holding us back, but to me, this is nowhere near the case - it seems crazy to suggest otherwise and therefore equally as crazy not to play him in our current predicament?
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Fits in to benefit his GA. It is not beneficial for this team.
Throughout the season, when we have had everyone fit, you could see Amorim moving him around to always fit him in somewhere.
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So are you saying that Bruno shouldn't be starting? Given how poor the rest of the team is, that would seem a bit suicidal?
Is your view that playing this system with our current players without Bruno is better than playing with him in it?
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I do worry how we raise one player so high. In the NBA, there's something called replacement evaluation techniques WAR of I'm not mistaken. there is no player as important as we are trying to project Bruno. The team cannot be this bad if he was that good.
Bruno haters are a bit like Brexiteers. No matter how many times you show them the data and the aftermath they still won't accept they were wrong.
United would be worse without Bruno. Fact. The UK is poorer outside of the EU. Another fact.
Stop wasting your time trying to blame a player who has actually delivered on his price tag we paid for him and easily been our best signing in post Fergie era and start pointing the finger at the frauds around him who wouldn't look out of place at top end championship clubs.
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Forget we won’t have Rooney and ronaldo scholay - we don’t have Saha, ole or Alan smith. We don’t even have that. Our players are at the level of Chris Eagles and Richardson. That’s the level. Ferguson made the decision to remove Ruud for the betterment of the team as he knew he had replacement players ready to go. What do we have ready to go? Garbage
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We are garbage with Bruno. We are 16th.
The hypocrisy of this place knows no bounds. The system we have in place is set up to get the best out of bruno. Vc explained this as clear as anyone could. The best for him is not yielding the best for Manchester United.
If you can’t see this, football is not for you.
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No doubt I will get pelters for this, but Amorim's system is 3-4-3 and Bruno is fitted into this system. But i thought you said this was not an ideal system for Bruno, but at the same time you are saying we are building the team around him. Surely it is one or the other, not both?
I would understand more if playing Bruno in a system not suited to him was holding us back, but to me, this is nowhere near the case - it seems crazy to suggest otherwise and therefore equally as crazy not to play him in our current predicament?
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Fits in to benefit his GA. It is not beneficial for this team.
Throughout the season, when we have had everyone fit, you could see Amorim moving him around to always fit him in somewhere.
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So are you saying that Bruno shouldn't be starting? Given how poor the rest of the team is, that would seem a bit suicidal?
Is your view that playing this system with our current players without Bruno is better than playing with him in it?
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The discussion here is moving forward. No one is talking about here and now.
This is not bloody rocket science. No one is stating he should not start.
For the betterment of this club moving forward, if a decent offer comes in for him that allows us to utilise the funds on 1 or 2 players, I am in support of this. What is difficult to grasp here?
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Forget we won’t have Rooney and ronaldo scholay - we don’t have Saha, ole or Alan smith. We don’t even have that. Our players are at the level of Chris Eagles and Richardson. That’s the level. Ferguson made the decision to remove Ruud for the betterment of the team as he knew he had replacement players ready to go. What do we have ready to go? Garbage
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We are garbage with Bruno. We are 16th.
The hypocrisy of this place knows no bounds. The system we have in place is set up to get the best out of bruno. Vc explained this as clear as anyone could. The best for him is not yielding the best for Manchester United.
If you can’t see this, football is not for you.
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No doubt I will get pelters for this, but Amorim's system is 3-4-3 and Bruno is fitted into this system. But i thought you said this was not an ideal system for Bruno, but at the same time you are saying we are building the team around him. Surely it is one or the other, not both?
I would understand more if playing Bruno in a system not suited to him was holding us back, but to me, this is nowhere near the case - it seems crazy to suggest otherwise and therefore equally as crazy not to play him in our current predicament?
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Fits in to benefit his GA. It is not beneficial for this team.
Throughout the season, when we have had everyone fit, you could see Amorim moving him around to always fit him in somewhere.
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So are you saying that Bruno shouldn't be starting? Given how poor the rest of the team is, that would seem a bit suicidal?
Is your view that playing this system with our current players without Bruno is better than playing with him in it?
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I do worry how we raise one player so high. In the NBA, there's something called replacement evaluation techniques WAR of I'm not mistaken. there is no player as important as we are trying to project Bruno. The team cannot be this bad if he was that good.
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Thank you!!!
This is not a player here like when Ronaldo went to Madrid and completely turned around their fortunes. This is not like Suarez at Liverpool who probably was single handedly carrying them to competing for a league.
We have tried with Bruno damn near everything. No one is blaming him solely or blaming him for our current predicament.
For our evolution, Bruno should move on. Bruno is a perfect player if you want to be a team all about moments. I have no doubt he would probably do well at Madrid. We are too shiiiit to be a team of “moments.”
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Bruno haters are a bit like Brexiteers. No matter how many times you show them the data and the aftermath they still won't accept they were wrong.
United would be worse without Bruno. Fact. The UK is poorer outside of the EU. Another fact.
Stop wasting your time trying to blame a player who has actually delivered on his price tag we paid for him and easily been our best signing in post Fergie era and start pointing the finger at the frauds around him who wouldn't look out of place at top end championship clubs.
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He'll get the next manager sacked and you'll wonder why. He's got the numbers that matters to outside observers. We've had this discussion with RVN. Our greatest goalscorer under our greatest manager paired with some of our greatest players, and his departure led to a renaissance. Coincidence or not, we need to start looking past the numbers and watch the game. I've seen great players, and I know how they influence team performance. You can feel it. Even when they hare having a bad performance, you can still see their innate greatness shining through.
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posted 17 minutes ago
Bruno haters are a bit like Brexiteers. No matter how many times you show them the data and the aftermath they still won't accept they were wrong.
United would be worse without Bruno. Fact. The UK is poorer outside of the EU. Another fact.
Stop wasting your time trying to blame a player who has actually delivered on his price tag we paid for him and easily been our best signing in post Fergie era and start pointing the finger at the frauds around him who wouldn't look out of place at top end championship clubs.
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What are you talking about man? Seriously??
Anyways Bruno is not the main issue. Next season we still see Maguire, Casemiro, Dalot, Mount, Shaw? Garnacho? Mainoo?
Half the reason they brought in Amorim was they kind of knew most of them would not suit and will have to leave. No false dawns we've had under some managers before him. Rashford, Antony etc was a start but it needs to be drastic.
Last year when chelsea did their overhaul, I was actually jealous of them. Of course we helped them out with theirs when we picked up Mount. It was not perfect but at least they moved on from rut. We need to be drastic.
Liverpool had a far better side than us with Suarez. We are going to have to move on from Bruno at some point but have a feeling he’s our last top player for probably another decade or so. Going to be a lot of mediocre players like zirkzee etc at best at united. We will never be in the top 4 again or compete for a title for many many years.
By again in mean in the next 10 years. We are likely going to remain a 8-17th side for the long term.
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posted on 12/5/25
The final game of the season against Villa is going to be very interesting indeed given it's coming 4 days after the final.
It's either going to be a huge Party with the trophy out on parade around the pitch at the end or if we get beat by Spurs I think we could be looking at the lowest PL attendance at home for decades. Nothing to play for and nobody is getting a lap of honour this season without a trophy. Villa will also have a lot riding on that game so you'd think they'd beat us quite easily.
posted on 12/5/25
Nonsense scholay and easily countered: we also finished 2nd and 3rd with Bruno. Reason we have been poor this season is more to do with the other players being dreadful. A keeper who has one of highest error rates, poor defence, strikers who are rubbish, attackers who can’t pass, midfielders who can’t pass or run.
When Bruno hasn’t played we have looked poor. So I think football is not for you. No Bruno and we’d not be in a europa league final. We may even be being relegated. But maybe you think Zirkzee would be the answer or mainoo or some other player who produces nothing But a nice flick.
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Nonsense scholay and easily countered: we also finished 2nd and 3rd with Bruno. Reason we have been poor this season is more to do with the other players being dreadful. A keeper who has one of highest error rates, poor defence, strikers who are rubbish, attackers who can’t pass, midfielders who can’t pass or run.
When Bruno hasn’t played we have looked poor. So I think football is not for you. No Bruno and we’d not be in a europa league final. We may even be being relegated. But maybe you think Zirkzee would be the answer or mainoo or some other player who produces nothing But a nice flick.
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He's lashing out like a 6 year old brat who didn't get a pony for her birthday.
It's clearly evident that Bruno isn't the reason we are 16th for anyone with more than one braincell.
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That team shouldn't be 17th though by the way.
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We're 16th but I still don't think you're right.
When you have a striker who can't score goals at this level you're not going to finish top half. The guy we bought as his deputy, Zirkzee, has 3 PL goals all season too. Neither of them are good enough.
If we had decent forwards we'd probably be about 8th to 10th. Still not good enough for United but we wouldn't have been flirting with relegation in February like we briefly did.
We are where we deserve to be. We can't score goals.
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I'm right then as we're not 17th!
We should be doing better than 17th but the point we need better forwards is so plain to see. A reliable goalscorer hides a lot of sins. Rasmus missed two very good chances yesterday. Score those and the narrative about our performances change.
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How though? If your main two strikers don't have 8 PL goals between them all season how are we going to be above 16th?
Stop signing crap players. That's what we need to do.
All the people who scoffed at Ivan Toney as a 3/4 season punt might be regretting that stance now. He's better than these two clowns combined and was right there for £40m.
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I've accepted the fact we have poor forwards but, even then, we should be better than 16th! The positive, if you can call it that, is that even an average forward would elevate us!
posted on 12/5/25
Stretford - the same fans who usually dislike Bruno like Zirkzee 🤣 it’s hilarious. They like these players who do nothing all game but just a nice touch or flick. That’s the issue at United. Too many of these players who do nothing. Bruno is the only attacker that does something. He does his job. We need more players who do their job! Like a keeper that can save the ball consistently for example, or a striker that scores. Let’s start there. Let’s not sell our only productive player to replace him inevitably with a poor unproductive player.
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posted 1 minute ago
Forget we won’t have Rooney and ronaldo scholay - we don’t have Saha, ole or Alan smith. We don’t even have that. Our players are at the level of Chris Eagles and Richardson. That’s the level. Ferguson made the decision to remove Ruud for the betterment of the team as he knew he had replacement players ready to go. What do we have ready to go? Garbage
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We are garbage with Bruno. We are 16th.
The hypocrisy of this place knows no bounds. The system we have in place is set up to get the best out of bruno. Vc explained this as clear as anyone could. The best for him is not yielding the best for Manchester United.
If you can’t see this, football is not for you.
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No doubt I will get pelters for this, but Amorim's system is 3-4-3 and Bruno is fitted into this system. But i thought you said this was not an ideal system for Bruno, but at the same time you are saying we are building the team around him. Surely it is one or the other, not both?
I would understand more if playing Bruno in a system not suited to him was holding us back, but to me, this is nowhere near the case - it seems crazy to suggest otherwise and therefore equally as crazy not to play him in our current predicament?
posted on 12/5/25
comment by unitedwedontwin (U23240)
posted 7 minutes ago
Nonsense scholay and easily countered: we also finished 2nd and 3rd with Bruno. Reason we have been poor this season is more to do with the other players being dreadful. A keeper who has one of highest error rates, poor defence, strikers who are rubbish, attackers who can’t pass, midfielders who can’t pass or run.
When Bruno hasn’t played we have looked poor. So I think football is not for you. No Bruno and we’d not be in a europa league final. We may even be being relegated. But maybe you think Zirkzee would be the answer or mainoo or some other player who produces nothing But a nice flick.
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A diabolical 2nd if I’ve ever seen one. This was no 2nd place similar to Klopp hunting down city.
It is a stupid argument to state no Bruno, we would not be here or there. I repeat, we are talking about moving forward. To think the suggestion here is sell Bruno and just proceed with zirkzhee is what is being said is verging on delusional.
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comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by unitedwedontwin (U23240)
posted 1 minute ago
Forget we won’t have Rooney and ronaldo scholay - we don’t have Saha, ole or Alan smith. We don’t even have that. Our players are at the level of Chris Eagles and Richardson. That’s the level. Ferguson made the decision to remove Ruud for the betterment of the team as he knew he had replacement players ready to go. What do we have ready to go? Garbage
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We are garbage with Bruno. We are 16th.
The hypocrisy of this place knows no bounds. The system we have in place is set up to get the best out of bruno. Vc explained this as clear as anyone could. The best for him is not yielding the best for Manchester United.
If you can’t see this, football is not for you.
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No doubt I will get pelters for this, but Amorim's system is 3-4-3 and Bruno is fitted into this system. But i thought you said this was not an ideal system for Bruno, but at the same time you are saying we are building the team around him. Surely it is one or the other, not both?
I would understand more if playing Bruno in a system not suited to him was holding us back, but to me, this is nowhere near the case - it seems crazy to suggest otherwise and therefore equally as crazy not to play him in our current predicament?
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Fits in to benefit his GA. It is not beneficial for this team.
Throughout the season, when we have had everyone fit, you could see Amorim moving him around to always fit him in somewhere.
posted on 12/5/25
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by unitedwedontwin (U23240)
posted 4 seconds ago
Nonsense scholay and easily countered: we also finished 2nd and 3rd with Bruno. Reason we have been poor this season is more to do with the other players being dreadful. A keeper who has one of highest error rates, poor defence, strikers who are rubbish, attackers who can’t pass, midfielders who can’t pass or run.
When Bruno hasn’t played we have looked poor. So I think football is not for you. No Bruno and we’d not be in a europa league final. We may even be being relegated. But maybe you think Zirkzee would be the answer or mainoo or some other player who produces nothing But a nice flick.
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He's lashing out like a 6 year old brat who didn't get a pony for her birthday.
It's clearly evident that Bruno isn't the reason we are 16th for anyone with more than one braincell.
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If having a dialogue where we disagree is me lashing out, it shows your level of maturity.
Believe you me when I tell you, I am not lashing out. We are languishing in 16th!!! There is no need to lash out anymore. We are a joke.
posted on 12/5/25
Scholay - we are financially broke trying to build a stadium. Any sell of Bruno will go on loss of income. We are not signing a top replacement. Likely a young unproven player to complement Mainoo, mount and Zirkzee 🤣
posted on 12/5/25
it would be helpful if you included quotes on the article
posted on 12/5/25
Scholay - he’s not fitting Him in 🤣 he’s far better than mainoo as a 10 and 6 and 8. He’s better then Ugarte in Ugarte best position. He’s better than Casemiro in the prem in his position and he’s better than anyone else. If anything hes sacrificing Bruno due to the others being so poor. He’s our best central midfielder as well as our best attacking midfielder and would also be our best striker if he played up top.
posted on 12/5/25
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by unitedwedontwin (U23240)
posted 1 minute ago
Forget we won’t have Rooney and ronaldo scholay - we don’t have Saha, ole or Alan smith. We don’t even have that. Our players are at the level of Chris Eagles and Richardson. That’s the level. Ferguson made the decision to remove Ruud for the betterment of the team as he knew he had replacement players ready to go. What do we have ready to go? Garbage
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We are garbage with Bruno. We are 16th.
The hypocrisy of this place knows no bounds. The system we have in place is set up to get the best out of bruno. Vc explained this as clear as anyone could. The best for him is not yielding the best for Manchester United.
If you can’t see this, football is not for you.
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No doubt I will get pelters for this, but Amorim's system is 3-4-3 and Bruno is fitted into this system. But i thought you said this was not an ideal system for Bruno, but at the same time you are saying we are building the team around him. Surely it is one or the other, not both?
I would understand more if playing Bruno in a system not suited to him was holding us back, but to me, this is nowhere near the case - it seems crazy to suggest otherwise and therefore equally as crazy not to play him in our current predicament?
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Fits in to benefit his GA. It is not beneficial for this team.
Throughout the season, when we have had everyone fit, you could see Amorim moving him around to always fit him in somewhere.
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So are you saying that Bruno shouldn't be starting? Given how poor the rest of the team is, that would seem a bit suicidal?
Is your view that playing this system with our current players without Bruno is better than playing with him in it?
posted on 12/5/25
comment by unitedwedontwin (U23240)
posted 44 minutes ago
Stretford - they are deluded. They think we can pick any manager we want. We can’t. It’s why we got an up coming, unproven at this level, manager like Ruben. The established top level experienced manager won’t risk it to be here. We are either going to have to get a former player, or just some mid table level manager.
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At the end I suspect that's the problem. It might take an actual relegation for it to kick in. I remember Rangnick basically saying we need what we trying (very poorly still) to do. There are a lot that think it's still a few tweaks, good old 4-3-3 and everything will be peachy.
posted on 12/5/25
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by unitedwedontwin (U23240)
posted 1 minute ago
Forget we won’t have Rooney and ronaldo scholay - we don’t have Saha, ole or Alan smith. We don’t even have that. Our players are at the level of Chris Eagles and Richardson. That’s the level. Ferguson made the decision to remove Ruud for the betterment of the team as he knew he had replacement players ready to go. What do we have ready to go? Garbage
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We are garbage with Bruno. We are 16th.
The hypocrisy of this place knows no bounds. The system we have in place is set up to get the best out of bruno. Vc explained this as clear as anyone could. The best for him is not yielding the best for Manchester United.
If you can’t see this, football is not for you.
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No doubt I will get pelters for this, but Amorim's system is 3-4-3 and Bruno is fitted into this system. But i thought you said this was not an ideal system for Bruno, but at the same time you are saying we are building the team around him. Surely it is one or the other, not both?
I would understand more if playing Bruno in a system not suited to him was holding us back, but to me, this is nowhere near the case - it seems crazy to suggest otherwise and therefore equally as crazy not to play him in our current predicament?
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Bruno is not fitted, he is just the most talented and thus has to be built around. Only one manager has really had a formation that suited Bruno and that is Ole.
posted on 12/5/25
Jose was right, Rangnick was right, Amorim is right.
posted on 12/5/25
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by unitedwedontwin (U23240)
posted 1 minute ago
Forget we won’t have Rooney and ronaldo scholay - we don’t have Saha, ole or Alan smith. We don’t even have that. Our players are at the level of Chris Eagles and Richardson. That’s the level. Ferguson made the decision to remove Ruud for the betterment of the team as he knew he had replacement players ready to go. What do we have ready to go? Garbage
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We are garbage with Bruno. We are 16th.
The hypocrisy of this place knows no bounds. The system we have in place is set up to get the best out of bruno. Vc explained this as clear as anyone could. The best for him is not yielding the best for Manchester United.
If you can’t see this, football is not for you.
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No doubt I will get pelters for this, but Amorim's system is 3-4-3 and Bruno is fitted into this system. But i thought you said this was not an ideal system for Bruno, but at the same time you are saying we are building the team around him. Surely it is one or the other, not both?
I would understand more if playing Bruno in a system not suited to him was holding us back, but to me, this is nowhere near the case - it seems crazy to suggest otherwise and therefore equally as crazy not to play him in our current predicament?
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Fits in to benefit his GA. It is not beneficial for this team.
Throughout the season, when we have had everyone fit, you could see Amorim moving him around to always fit him in somewhere.
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So are you saying that Bruno shouldn't be starting? Given how poor the rest of the team is, that would seem a bit suicidal?
Is your view that playing this system with our current players without Bruno is better than playing with him in it?
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I do worry how we raise one player so high. In the NBA, there's something called replacement evaluation techniques WAR of I'm not mistaken. there is no player as important as we are trying to project Bruno. The team cannot be this bad if he was that good.
posted on 12/5/25
Bruno haters are a bit like Brexiteers. No matter how many times you show them the data and the aftermath they still won't accept they were wrong.
United would be worse without Bruno. Fact. The UK is poorer outside of the EU. Another fact.
Stop wasting your time trying to blame a player who has actually delivered on his price tag we paid for him and easily been our best signing in post Fergie era and start pointing the finger at the frauds around him who wouldn't look out of place at top end championship clubs.
posted on 12/5/25
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by unitedwedontwin (U23240)
posted 1 minute ago
Forget we won’t have Rooney and ronaldo scholay - we don’t have Saha, ole or Alan smith. We don’t even have that. Our players are at the level of Chris Eagles and Richardson. That’s the level. Ferguson made the decision to remove Ruud for the betterment of the team as he knew he had replacement players ready to go. What do we have ready to go? Garbage
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We are garbage with Bruno. We are 16th.
The hypocrisy of this place knows no bounds. The system we have in place is set up to get the best out of bruno. Vc explained this as clear as anyone could. The best for him is not yielding the best for Manchester United.
If you can’t see this, football is not for you.
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No doubt I will get pelters for this, but Amorim's system is 3-4-3 and Bruno is fitted into this system. But i thought you said this was not an ideal system for Bruno, but at the same time you are saying we are building the team around him. Surely it is one or the other, not both?
I would understand more if playing Bruno in a system not suited to him was holding us back, but to me, this is nowhere near the case - it seems crazy to suggest otherwise and therefore equally as crazy not to play him in our current predicament?
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Fits in to benefit his GA. It is not beneficial for this team.
Throughout the season, when we have had everyone fit, you could see Amorim moving him around to always fit him in somewhere.
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So are you saying that Bruno shouldn't be starting? Given how poor the rest of the team is, that would seem a bit suicidal?
Is your view that playing this system with our current players without Bruno is better than playing with him in it?
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The discussion here is moving forward. No one is talking about here and now.
This is not bloody rocket science. No one is stating he should not start.
For the betterment of this club moving forward, if a decent offer comes in for him that allows us to utilise the funds on 1 or 2 players, I am in support of this. What is difficult to grasp here?
posted on 12/5/25
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by unitedwedontwin (U23240)
posted 1 minute ago
Forget we won’t have Rooney and ronaldo scholay - we don’t have Saha, ole or Alan smith. We don’t even have that. Our players are at the level of Chris Eagles and Richardson. That’s the level. Ferguson made the decision to remove Ruud for the betterment of the team as he knew he had replacement players ready to go. What do we have ready to go? Garbage
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We are garbage with Bruno. We are 16th.
The hypocrisy of this place knows no bounds. The system we have in place is set up to get the best out of bruno. Vc explained this as clear as anyone could. The best for him is not yielding the best for Manchester United.
If you can’t see this, football is not for you.
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No doubt I will get pelters for this, but Amorim's system is 3-4-3 and Bruno is fitted into this system. But i thought you said this was not an ideal system for Bruno, but at the same time you are saying we are building the team around him. Surely it is one or the other, not both?
I would understand more if playing Bruno in a system not suited to him was holding us back, but to me, this is nowhere near the case - it seems crazy to suggest otherwise and therefore equally as crazy not to play him in our current predicament?
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Fits in to benefit his GA. It is not beneficial for this team.
Throughout the season, when we have had everyone fit, you could see Amorim moving him around to always fit him in somewhere.
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So are you saying that Bruno shouldn't be starting? Given how poor the rest of the team is, that would seem a bit suicidal?
Is your view that playing this system with our current players without Bruno is better than playing with him in it?
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I do worry how we raise one player so high. In the NBA, there's something called replacement evaluation techniques WAR of I'm not mistaken. there is no player as important as we are trying to project Bruno. The team cannot be this bad if he was that good.
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Thank you!!!
This is not a player here like when Ronaldo went to Madrid and completely turned around their fortunes. This is not like Suarez at Liverpool who probably was single handedly carrying them to competing for a league.
We have tried with Bruno damn near everything. No one is blaming him solely or blaming him for our current predicament.
For our evolution, Bruno should move on. Bruno is a perfect player if you want to be a team all about moments. I have no doubt he would probably do well at Madrid. We are too shiiiit to be a team of “moments.”
posted on 12/5/25
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
Bruno haters are a bit like Brexiteers. No matter how many times you show them the data and the aftermath they still won't accept they were wrong.
United would be worse without Bruno. Fact. The UK is poorer outside of the EU. Another fact.
Stop wasting your time trying to blame a player who has actually delivered on his price tag we paid for him and easily been our best signing in post Fergie era and start pointing the finger at the frauds around him who wouldn't look out of place at top end championship clubs.
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He'll get the next manager sacked and you'll wonder why. He's got the numbers that matters to outside observers. We've had this discussion with RVN. Our greatest goalscorer under our greatest manager paired with some of our greatest players, and his departure led to a renaissance. Coincidence or not, we need to start looking past the numbers and watch the game. I've seen great players, and I know how they influence team performance. You can feel it. Even when they hare having a bad performance, you can still see their innate greatness shining through.
posted on 12/5/25
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 17 minutes ago
Bruno haters are a bit like Brexiteers. No matter how many times you show them the data and the aftermath they still won't accept they were wrong.
United would be worse without Bruno. Fact. The UK is poorer outside of the EU. Another fact.
Stop wasting your time trying to blame a player who has actually delivered on his price tag we paid for him and easily been our best signing in post Fergie era and start pointing the finger at the frauds around him who wouldn't look out of place at top end championship clubs.
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What are you talking about man? Seriously??
posted on 12/5/25
Anyways Bruno is not the main issue. Next season we still see Maguire, Casemiro, Dalot, Mount, Shaw? Garnacho? Mainoo?
Half the reason they brought in Amorim was they kind of knew most of them would not suit and will have to leave. No false dawns we've had under some managers before him. Rashford, Antony etc was a start but it needs to be drastic.
Last year when chelsea did their overhaul, I was actually jealous of them. Of course we helped them out with theirs when we picked up Mount. It was not perfect but at least they moved on from rut. We need to be drastic.
posted on 12/5/25
Liverpool had a far better side than us with Suarez. We are going to have to move on from Bruno at some point but have a feeling he’s our last top player for probably another decade or so. Going to be a lot of mediocre players like zirkzee etc at best at united. We will never be in the top 4 again or compete for a title for many many years.
posted on 12/5/25
By again in mean in the next 10 years. We are likely going to remain a 8-17th side for the long term.
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