comment by RED666.. 🏴 Roll on ... (U6562)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Snooker_49 (U10665)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by RED666.. 🏴 Roll on ... (U6562)
posted 18 minutes ago
Morning Snooker_49, any luck on finding where I’ve supported Tommy Robinson?
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You said something like when the next Tommy sleep out is held you'll give it backing. That implies you're a fan of him.
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FFS! So you are as narrow minded as FoAR, the great Tommy sleep out has nothing to do with Tommy Robinson!
Here’s a link, https://rbli.co.uk/rbli-events/the-great-tommy-sleep-out/
‘The Great Tommy Sleep is an annual fundraising event organized by the Royal British Legion Industries (RBLI), taking place in March 2026. Participants spend one night, or more, sleeping outdoors to raise money and awareness for homeless veterans, providing them with safe shelter and mental health support.’
Oh dear, but it has Tommy in its name!
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So to avoid upsetting the do-gooders, so they don't get confused and start foaming at the mouth, all things with Tommy in it should be cancelled.
A Tommy Amnesty - Change your name, your kids name, your company name, cease teaching anatomy in schools, hand in your Tommy Guns, no more having a Tommy Tank, it is to be referred to by its proper name (but not hand shandy, Shandy is a favourite of thugs, and they're are all fascists and likely to offend and trigger the righteous).
I implore you people, for the sake of a nation whose mental wellbeing is being harmed by all things Tommy, abide by this amnesty, make UK a better place.
If it gets enough traction, i might organise a march. Who's with me?
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by RED666.. 🏴 Roll on ... (U6562)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Snooker_49 (U10665)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by RED666.. 🏴 Roll on ... (U6562)
posted 18 minutes ago
Morning Snooker_49, any luck on finding where I’ve supported Tommy Robinson?
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You said something like when the next Tommy sleep out is held you'll give it backing. That implies you're a fan of him.
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FFS! So you are as narrow minded as FoAR, the great Tommy sleep out has nothing to do with Tommy Robinson!
Here’s a link, https://rbli.co.uk/rbli-events/the-great-tommy-sleep-out/
‘The Great Tommy Sleep is an annual fundraising event organized by the Royal British Legion Industries (RBLI), taking place in March 2026. Participants spend one night, or more, sleeping outdoors to raise money and awareness for homeless veterans, providing them with safe shelter and mental health support.’
Oh dear, but it has Tommy in its name!
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So to avoid upsetting the do-gooders, so they don't get confused and start foaming at the mouth, all things with Tommy in it should be cancelled.
A Tommy Amnesty - Change your name, your kids name, your company name, cease teaching anatomy in schools, hand in your Tommy Guns, no more having a Tommy Tank, it is to be referred to by its proper name (but not hand shandy, Shandy is a favourite of thugs, and they're are all fascists and likely to offend and trigger the righteous).
I implore you people, for the sake of a nation whose mental wellbeing is being harmed by all things Tommy, abide by this amnesty, make UK a better place.
If it gets enough traction, i might organise a march. Who's with me?
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It is clear that the man got confused about Red666's initial comment. As in, why would you say something along the lines of I do not support Tommy Robertson but the great Tommy sleep out will be getting my full support. It seems related to anyone who doesn't really know what it is, given the context in which the man mentioned it.
No need to get your knickers in a twist. Man up. People triggered too easily these days.
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by RED666.. 🏴 Roll on ... (U6562)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Snooker_49 (U10665)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by RED666.. 🏴 Roll on ... (U6562)
posted 18 minutes ago
Morning Snooker_49, any luck on finding where I’ve supported Tommy Robinson?
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You said something like when the next Tommy sleep out is held you'll give it backing. That implies you're a fan of him.
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FFS! So you are as narrow minded as FoAR, the great Tommy sleep out has nothing to do with Tommy Robinson!
Here’s a link, https://rbli.co.uk/rbli-events/the-great-tommy-sleep-out/
‘The Great Tommy Sleep is an annual fundraising event organized by the Royal British Legion Industries (RBLI), taking place in March 2026. Participants spend one night, or more, sleeping outdoors to raise money and awareness for homeless veterans, providing them with safe shelter and mental health support.’
Oh dear, but it has Tommy in its name!
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So to avoid upsetting the do-gooders, so they don't get confused and start foaming at the mouth, all things with Tommy in it should be cancelled.
A Tommy Amnesty - Change your name, your kids name, your company name, cease teaching anatomy in schools, hand in your Tommy Guns, no more having a Tommy Tank, it is to be referred to by its proper name (but not hand shandy, Shandy is a favourite of thugs, and they're are all fascists and likely to offend and trigger the righteous).
I implore you people, for the sake of a nation whose mental wellbeing is being harmed by all things Tommy, abide by this amnesty, make UK a better place.
If it gets enough traction, i might organise a march. Who's with me?
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It is clear that the man got confused about Red666's initial comment. As in, why would you say something along the lines of I do not support Tommy Robertson but the great Tommy sleep out will be getting my full support. It seems related to anyone who doesn't really know what it is, given the context in which the man mentioned it.
No need to get your knickers in a twist. Man up. People triggered too easily these days.
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Interesting though that someone should jump to that very simply judgement, without regard to facts, making a very quick and simple assumption, basically an ignorant conclusion informed by their preconceptions.
Forgivable if you are on the side of the righteous and I am sure a complete one-off.
Exactly. Too many people on here getting triggered if anybody calls out people who attend and behave badly at Tommy Robinson marches.
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 15 hours, 12 minutes ago
Devon ..would you vote for Tommy Robinson if he stood for Parliament ?
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This question just sums up the point ive been making.
Despite having called TR quite a few unpleasant names myself, never once endorsed his strong views, acknowledged his fascist background and the undertone of everything he does, condoned the hatred displayed by him and others and the violent thugs, mocked some of the speakers at his march etc etc because i dont accept that everyone at that march is as good as a fascist/racist/Islamophobe, I get asked would i vote for him?
A simple binary outlook from people that if you don't judge him and everyone at that march in absolute terms, then you are one of them, a supporter.
Those with a fully functioning brain know that free speech is not about saying whatever you like, but it is about being able to offer a differing opinion. I have offered a very mild counter opinion to the main narrative and because of that people see it necessary to ask the question whether i would vote for him.
Nothing in what i have said anywhere has endorsed TR but because i am not entirely on your side of the fence, i must must judged accordingly.
Debate is totally about free speech, and if my modest pushing back on the main narrative is to lead to the conclusion that I must be a fascist or TR sympathiser, someone who may be prepared to vote him (and we know how such people are judged) then you prove my point. I am none of these things but are judged by some as being so.
No one is shooting me for my opinion but anyone who offers an opinion and is being labelled in strong terms by a self righteously moral other side, will receive such treatment as an out of hand rejection of their opinion , and that does not foster debate, and debate is grounded in free speech.
(nb: not everyone has reacted in this way, some have entered into debate, so dont get your knickers in a twist if you think i'm accusing you of something you havent done. There are plenty who have)
A simple binary outlook from people that if you don't judge him and everyone at that march in absolute terms, then you are one of them, a supporter.
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What is the end game for this argument? I've seen it and I don't know what you're trying to achieve here tbh. You are the one speaking in absolutes in the above paragraph.
For sure, how you judge TR and his thugs matters. When a person tries to defend them, make out like they're not all bad, they may not all be bad but why does it matter so much that a few may not be outright racists? They're still attending that march together with outright racist and that means something.
It depends on how you view some things. To me there is little to no difference between racists and racist sympathisers. When racists march I don't really care to try to discern which among those marching is not racist. Tha would be stoopid. In fact, IMO most people who sympathise with racists are just racists that aren't man enough to be straightforward with it. I have more respect for racists than their pathetic sympathisers.
It's like when Trump said there's good people on both sides after a far right KKK march in the USA. You can't try to subliminally sanitise these things and expect to get away with it. People can see through it.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by RED666.. 🏴 Roll on ... (U6562)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Snooker_49 (U10665)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by RED666.. 🏴 Roll on ... (U6562)
posted 18 minutes ago
Morning Snooker_49, any luck on finding where I’ve supported Tommy Robinson?
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You said something like when the next Tommy sleep out is held you'll give it backing. That implies you're a fan of him.
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FFS! So you are as narrow minded as FoAR, the great Tommy sleep out has nothing to do with Tommy Robinson!
Here’s a link, https://rbli.co.uk/rbli-events/the-great-tommy-sleep-out/
‘The Great Tommy Sleep is an annual fundraising event organized by the Royal British Legion Industries (RBLI), taking place in March 2026. Participants spend one night, or more, sleeping outdoors to raise money and awareness for homeless veterans, providing them with safe shelter and mental health support.’
Oh dear, but it has Tommy in its name!
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So to avoid upsetting the do-gooders, so they don't get confused and start foaming at the mouth, all things with Tommy in it should be cancelled.
A Tommy Amnesty - Change your name, your kids name, your company name, cease teaching anatomy in schools, hand in your Tommy Guns, no more having a Tommy Tank, it is to be referred to by its proper name (but not hand shandy, Shandy is a favourite of thugs, and they're are all fascists and likely to offend and trigger the righteous).
I implore you people, for the sake of a nation whose mental wellbeing is being harmed by all things Tommy, abide by this amnesty, make UK a better place.
If it gets enough traction, i might organise a march. Who's with me?
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It is clear that the man got confused about Red666's initial comment. As in, why would you say something along the lines of I do not support Tommy Robertson but the great Tommy sleep out will be getting my full support. It seems related to anyone who doesn't really know what it is, given the context in which the man mentioned it.
No need to get your knickers in a twist. Man up. People triggered too easily these days.
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Interesting though that someone should jump to that very simply judgement, without regard to facts, making a very quick and simple assumption, basically an ignorant conclusion informed by their preconceptions.
Forgivable if you are on the side of the righteous and I am sure a complete one-off.
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Don't support Tommy Robertson but will be giving full support to the Tommy sleepout. Why is that at all relevant? Obviously it would lead people to believe that it is related. And why should the man know anything about the Tommy sleepout?
Toms I HATE:
Tommy Robinson
Tom Brady
Peeping Toms
Toms is LOVE
Thomas the Tank Engine
Tom Baker
Tom Selleck
I HATE Tommy from Rugrats. Always hated him.
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by RED666.. 🏴 Roll on ... (U6562)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Snooker_49 (U10665)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by RED666.. 🏴 Roll on ... (U6562)
posted 18 minutes ago
Morning Snooker_49, any luck on finding where I’ve supported Tommy Robinson?
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You said something like when the next Tommy sleep out is held you'll give it backing. That implies you're a fan of him.
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FFS! So you are as narrow minded as FoAR, the great Tommy sleep out has nothing to do with Tommy Robinson!
Here’s a link, https://rbli.co.uk/rbli-events/the-great-tommy-sleep-out/
‘The Great Tommy Sleep is an annual fundraising event organized by the Royal British Legion Industries (RBLI), taking place in March 2026. Participants spend one night, or more, sleeping outdoors to raise money and awareness for homeless veterans, providing them with safe shelter and mental health support.’
Oh dear, but it has Tommy in its name!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So to avoid upsetting the do-gooders, so they don't get confused and start foaming at the mouth, all things with Tommy in it should be cancelled.
A Tommy Amnesty - Change your name, your kids name, your company name, cease teaching anatomy in schools, hand in your Tommy Guns, no more having a Tommy Tank, it is to be referred to by its proper name (but not hand shandy, Shandy is a favourite of thugs, and they're are all fascists and likely to offend and trigger the righteous).
I implore you people, for the sake of a nation whose mental wellbeing is being harmed by all things Tommy, abide by this amnesty, make UK a better place.
If it gets enough traction, i might organise a march. Who's with me?
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It is clear that the man got confused about Red666's initial comment. As in, why would you say something along the lines of I do not support Tommy Robertson but the great Tommy sleep out will be getting my full support. It seems related to anyone who doesn't really know what it is, given the context in which the man mentioned it.
No need to get your knickers in a twist. Man up. People triggered too easily these days.
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Regarding my Tommy comment I was asked if I supported the march?
I answered that, then mentioned about the sleep out, followed by this which you omitted, ‘ It’s just a shame when I gave it my backing once before people like FieldsofAnfieldRd called me out as a racist for doing so!’
However I also added the sleep out comment to prove a point on how narrow minded people can be, like Dev has has pointed out, not everyone on the march was a fascist, Just like anything with Tommy in the name isn’t always something to do with Tommy Robinson!
Should I get my racist Tommy Hilfiger jacket and leave now!
FFS. Are we still not allowed to call these guys stupid?
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 15 hours, 12 minutes ago
Devon ..would you vote for Tommy Robinson if he stood for Parliament ?
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This question just sums up the point ive been making.
Despite having called TR quite a few unpleasant names myself, never once endorsed his strong views, acknowledged his fascist background and the undertone of everything he does, condoned the hatred displayed by him and others and the violent thugs, mocked some of the speakers at his march etc etc because i dont accept that everyone at that march is as good as a fascist/racist/Islamophobe, I get asked would i vote for him?
A simple binary outlook from people that if you don't judge him and everyone at that march in absolute terms, then you are one of them, a supporter.
Those with a fully functioning brain know that free speech is not about saying whatever you like, but it is about being able to offer a differing opinion. I have offered a very mild counter opinion to the main narrative and because of that people see it necessary to ask the question whether i would vote for him.
Nothing in what i have said anywhere has endorsed TR but because i am not entirely on your side of the fence, i must must judged accordingly.
Debate is totally about free speech, and if my modest pushing back on the main narrative is to lead to the conclusion that I must be a fascist or TR sympathiser, someone who may be prepared to vote him (and we know how such people are judged) then you prove my point. I am none of these things but are judged by some as being so.
No one is shooting me for my opinion but anyone who offers an opinion and is being labelled in strong terms by a self righteously moral other side, will receive such treatment as an out of hand rejection of their opinion , and that does not foster debate, and debate is grounded in free speech.
(nb: not everyone has reacted in this way, some have entered into debate, so dont get your knickers in a twist if you think i'm accusing you of something you havent done. There are plenty who have)
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Lol... you (and others) protest too much
comment by No Løve - When Klopp leaves... (U1282)
posted 9 minutes ago
A simple binary outlook from people that if you don't judge him and everyone at that march in absolute terms, then you are one of them, a supporter.
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What is the end game for this argument? I've seen it and I don't know what you're trying to achieve here tbh. You are the one speaking in absolutes in the above paragraph.
For sure, how you judge TR and his thugs matters. When a person tries to defend them, make out like they're not all bad, they may not all be bad but why does it matter so much that a few may not be outright racists? They're still attending that march together with outright racist and that means something.
It depends on how you view some things. To me there is little to no difference between racists and racist sympathisers. When racists march I don't really care to try to discern which among those marching is not racist. Tha would be stoopid. In fact, IMO most people who sympathise with racists are just racists that aren't man enough to be straightforward with it. I have more respect for racists than their pathetic sympathisers.
It's like when Trump said there's good people on both sides after a far right KKK march in the USA. You can't try to subliminally sanitise these things and expect to get away with it. People can see through it.
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I am not speaking in absolute terms, i have acknowledged that some have debated while others have gone straight to such judgements.
One of the points i am making is typified by an interview i saw (will try and find it) from someone from Epping impacted by the whole asylum hotel hooha! They seemed genuine, they werent spouting hate, they were expressing their concerns that dozens of unvetted single men had been dumped in their community. They didnt know what nationality or religion these men are, just that they were there. Any concerns held about safety were endorsed when one was charged with the assault of a teenage girl. Those are legit concerns but anyone who holds such views and attend a march is viewed the same as any of the 'rent a thugs' that jump on such situations or those who call for the hotel to be burnt down etc.
For the Govt to challenge the courts decision to allow closure at least gives the impression that they are more concerned with the rights of the asylum seekers than the community and this perception was backed up by statements by their lawyers and a minister.
I do not know why people cannot see that situation as sticking in the throat of the local community, leading them to a position where they feel the Govt is not listening or caring about them...where do they go? How do they make their voice heard.
The person interviewed was moderate and considered in their explanation. They weren't making any link to Islam etc
Many on here would hold this person to be a racist and/or fascist simply for being on a march...a march they attended because they wanted their voice heard
There is a range of views, experiences and attitudes around the same issue that create a spectrum of opinions. So many go straight to putting any counter opinion at the worst end of that spectrum and that is counter productive. Solutions are found through discussion and debate. If people are going to judge any counter opinion as racists or racist sympathisers (or worse) and deem their views invalid then no debate happens or is possible. Voices who are not at the extreme (like the example i gave above) are not heard, and it is this sort of situation that leads to people attending marches like this.
I'm not trying to sanitise anything. There will be a chunk of very hateful people in that crowd, but not all of them. If people do not apply any balance to their views then we end up with a complete polarisation of issues and division and that feeds into the hands of the likes of Tommy
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 15 hours, 12 minutes ago
Devon ..would you vote for Tommy Robinson if he stood for Parliament ?
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This question just sums up the point ive been making.
Despite having called TR quite a few unpleasant names myself, never once endorsed his strong views, acknowledged his fascist background and the undertone of everything he does, condoned the hatred displayed by him and others and the violent thugs, mocked some of the speakers at his march etc etc because i dont accept that everyone at that march is as good as a fascist/racist/Islamophobe, I get asked would i vote for him?
A simple binary outlook from people that if you don't judge him and everyone at that march in absolute terms, then you are one of them, a supporter.
Those with a fully functioning brain know that free speech is not about saying whatever you like, but it is about being able to offer a differing opinion. I have offered a very mild counter opinion to the main narrative and because of that people see it necessary to ask the question whether i would vote for him.
Nothing in what i have said anywhere has endorsed TR but because i am not entirely on your side of the fence, i must must judged accordingly.
Debate is totally about free speech, and if my modest pushing back on the main narrative is to lead to the conclusion that I must be a fascist or TR sympathiser, someone who may be prepared to vote him (and we know how such people are judged) then you prove my point. I am none of these things but are judged by some as being so.
No one is shooting me for my opinion but anyone who offers an opinion and is being labelled in strong terms by a self righteously moral other side, will receive such treatment as an out of hand rejection of their opinion , and that does not foster debate, and debate is grounded in free speech.
(nb: not everyone has reacted in this way, some have entered into debate, so dont get your knickers in a twist if you think i'm accusing you of something you havent done. There are plenty who have)
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This kind of sums up where we currently are in the world of politics now. I'm a left leaning liberal but I don't think those on the far left even remotely represent everything I hold dear. Politics used to be a line, where you'd have the far left on one side, the far right on the other, and the more reasonable centrists, like myself, in the middle. Now it's a circle because the far left are as bad as the far right and they meet back up together as the line curves. It's actually quite hard to distinguish one from the other.
I don't condone any of those on the march. I don't agree with you Dev that you're likely to get reasonable people joining it. They're not all going to be hate-filled lunatics but you don't join a march of that nature unless there is a thread of discontent about immigration, and let's be real here - at the heart of that is a sprinkling of racism. It's not mouth-frothing hate, but it's still racism, however minor.
The country is broken for one reason or another (Brexit, Covid, the fall of the western economy in general - many reasons) so you've got a lot of very angry people whose income is stalling and expenses are rising. They read some bullshiiiiit headline about immigration and then blame their misfortune on immigrants or asylum seekers. What you have to ask yourself is why are we seeing these headlines so often. Are they accurate, is there an invasion? Of course not but those in real power, and by that I mean those with the money, not the government, like nothing better than to find a patsy. Blaming everything on immigrants is music to their ears. They can squeeze the public purse all the time others are blamed. There's an agenda at play here. This stuff is by design.
I do think you're right in that the there are idiots on both sides of the fence on this but I have to admit, there is a part of me that thinks if anyone requires help on the NHS who is part of that march, they should be made to wait to be seen by someone British if they're so determined to push back against immigration like this. You just know that some of those absolute morons writing "GO HOME" outside Indian restaurants, will at some stage, need to thank another possible Indian for saving their life on the NHS. That's the part that really annoys me.
Beyond that though, it's the hate across the board I can't stand. There's just so much vitriol on both sides. People need to delete Twitter. It's seriously warping reason and logic. It's got to a point now where policy and legislation is being built on the outrage and anger seen on Twitter but the truth is that once you put the phone down and look up and see the real world, it's fine. Everyone is actually reasonable, they're nice, they're helpful. We've paid far too much attention to Twitter in recent years and it's warped our sense of the real world. Even this very debate is a microcosm of what happens on Twitter. It's about attention, not sincerity. People don't actually hate that much. Not really. They hate because they're told to hate.
So you are saying we can call Tommy Robertson marchers whatever we want?
Yes, it's not binary, there are different levels of Tommy Robertson marchers. Ranging from Tommy Robertson marchers who have concerns about illegal immigrant, up to Tommy Robertson marchers who want the eradication of muslims. All still attended the Tommy Robertson march. My view is that ALL Tommy Robertson marchers are reetards. And many others here share that view. Your view appears to be that you share some of the concerns of the Tommy Robertson marchers (but you won't say this) so defend this level of Tommy Robertson marcher. I do not share the same views as these minor level Tommy Robertson marchers. You seem to think that we should understand their frustrations. We don't.
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 4 minutes ago
So you are saying we can call Tommy Robertson marchers whatever we want?
Yes, it's not binary, there are different levels of Tommy Robertson marchers. Ranging from Tommy Robertson marchers who have concerns about illegal immigrant, up to Tommy Robertson marchers who want the eradication of muslims. All still attended the Tommy Robertson march. My view is that ALL Tommy Robertson marchers are reetards. And many others here share that view. Your view appears to be that you share some of the concerns of the Tommy Robertson marchers (but you won't say this) so defend this level of Tommy Robertson marcher. I do not share the same views as these minor level Tommy Robertson marchers. You seem to think that we should understand their frustrations. We don't.
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Getting his name wrong so many times surely has to be deliberate?
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 4 minutes ago
So you are saying we can call Tommy Robertson marchers whatever we want?
Yes, it's not binary, there are different levels of Tommy Robertson marchers. Ranging from Tommy Robertson marchers who have concerns about illegal immigrant, up to Tommy Robertson marchers who want the eradication of muslims. All still attended the Tommy Robertson march. My view is that ALL Tommy Robertson marchers are reetards. And many others here share that view. Your view appears to be that you share some of the concerns of the Tommy Robertson marchers (but you won't say this) so defend this level of Tommy Robertson marcher. I do not share the same views as these minor level Tommy Robertson marchers. You seem to think that we should understand their frustrations. We don't.
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Getting his name wrong so many times surely has to be deliberate?
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Oh. What's his real name?
Tommy Robinson. Or cuuuunt will so.
Tommy Robinson shouldnt even be allowed in any part of a democratic, political conversation in the UK of any kind whatsoever. Neither should Musk. What was he/they actually encouraging those 100K+ demonstraters to do... right now? Think very hard about it.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 12 seconds ago
Tommy Robinson. Or cuuuunt will so.
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Ah ok. Sorry. Didn't mean to cause any disrespect to his family name. I don't imagine his parents will be too happy about me getting their family name wrong. It was disrespectful and wrong of me.
Iz endlessly musin too me when peepull with horrendus views get upset when uthers point oot there views r horrendus
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 12 seconds ago
Tommy Robinson. Or cuuuunt will so.
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Ah ok. Sorry. Didn't mean to cause any disrespect to his family name. I don't imagine his parents will be too happy about me getting their family name wrong. It was disrespectful and wrong of me.
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Fancy repeatedly calling him ‘Tommy Robertson’!
And that was after you came out with this little gem ‘FFS. Are we still not allowed to call these guys stupid?’
🤣
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 17 minutes ago
So you are saying we can call Tommy Robertson marchers whatever we want?
Yes, it's not binary, there are different levels of Tommy Robertson marchers. Ranging from Tommy Robertson marchers who have concerns about illegal immigrant, up to Tommy Robertson marchers who want the eradication of muslims. All still attended the Tommy Robertson march. My view is that ALL Tommy Robertson marchers are reetards. And many others here share that view. Your view appears to be that you share some of the concerns of the Tommy Robertson marchers (but you won't say this) so defend this level of Tommy Robertson marcher. I do not share the same views as these minor level Tommy Robertson marchers. You seem to think that we should understand their frustrations. We don't.
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I wouldnt go as far as retaards but those at the moderate end of the scale will not be surprised by being judged by association...that does not make it right though, nor helpful and i suppose it is to be expected in this environment.
I have been on record saying that our uncontrolled immigration is of concern, on many levels. I do not see it as the cause of all our problems, it's more of a symptom, and in fact our problems as a nation need immigration as part of the solution.
But like any sector that requires more workers, those you select are the ones who best meet your needs.
Our immigration policy should be tailored to meet the needs of our country, not just an open door policy which is more or less what we have seen for 5 years.
My primary issue in politics is always the economy, so i do not see immigration as a lead issue that would have me voting Reform, but it is intertwined with immigration. A sound policy will have positive effects and i reject the notion that all immigration is good and brings more benefits than bad, the impact of large scale immigration goes beyond the economy and for some this cultural impact is what riles them the most. I think it is those sorts who tend to find the more extreme positions, a concern fundamentally based intolerance/prejudice, but not all people dwell in the extremes.
Right now i think our immigration policy needs to be focussed not on as being as nice or as nasty as possible to anyone wanting to come here, but to make it work for the country. Basically, be bloody selfish about it. Right now we are not in a position to be loose and generous with our policy.
The same applies to illegal immigrants. It is a fallacy that all those coming here on boats are genuine asylum seekers, they are first and foremost illegal immigrants who when they arrive will seek asylum. Whether their case is accepted or not is determined on merit...but as the most recent case has shown with teh 1 out 1 in policy, that man is playing the legal game (to the cost of taxpayers, not himself) that could see him stay here up to another year before he is deemed to be able to be sent back to France. That fundamentally does not seem right and even the Govts KC stated in proceedings that to allow him to stay will undermine the deterrent-effect of the policy and show other the way to play the system. It is a system built for abuse and on one side of the argument, all asylum seekers are awful and their boats should be sunk and the other side they are all persecuted people who need safe shelter and anyone against that is right/far right etc Neither are right but our policy is failing and mistakes are costing us billions.
None of that should see me labelled as anything more than someone who has a considered opinion on a subject and if you disagree with me with an equally considered opinion then fair enough. Many do not respond that way in debate though, and thats why i find myself pushing back at lazy binary labelling of people. My views may well be aligned with some on that march, Tommy might agree with me, although his solutions would probably go a lot further...but that does not make me Tommy or a supporter or a sympathiser. My view is my view based on my observations, knowledge and experiences. I don't follow anyone.
comment by RED666.. 🏴 Roll on 2029! 🇬🇧. (U6562)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 12 seconds ago
Tommy Robinson. Or cuuuunt will so.
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Ah ok. Sorry. Didn't mean to cause any disrespect to his family name. I don't imagine his parents will be too happy about me getting their family name wrong. It was disrespectful and wrong of me.
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Fancy repeatedly calling him ‘Tommy Robertson’!
And that was after you came out with this little gem ‘FFS. Are we still not allowed to call these guys stupid?’
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Let's not let a little spelling mistake cloud your judgment. He's absolutely right. Every single person on that march is stupid, and racist. Robinson is a complete thug and it's a sad measure of the time we're living in that he has that kind of following.
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posted on 18/9/25
comment by RED666.. 🏴 Roll on ... (U6562)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Snooker_49 (U10665)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by RED666.. 🏴 Roll on ... (U6562)
posted 18 minutes ago
Morning Snooker_49, any luck on finding where I’ve supported Tommy Robinson?
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You said something like when the next Tommy sleep out is held you'll give it backing. That implies you're a fan of him.
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FFS! So you are as narrow minded as FoAR, the great Tommy sleep out has nothing to do with Tommy Robinson!
Here’s a link, https://rbli.co.uk/rbli-events/the-great-tommy-sleep-out/
‘The Great Tommy Sleep is an annual fundraising event organized by the Royal British Legion Industries (RBLI), taking place in March 2026. Participants spend one night, or more, sleeping outdoors to raise money and awareness for homeless veterans, providing them with safe shelter and mental health support.’
Oh dear, but it has Tommy in its name!
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So to avoid upsetting the do-gooders, so they don't get confused and start foaming at the mouth, all things with Tommy in it should be cancelled.
A Tommy Amnesty - Change your name, your kids name, your company name, cease teaching anatomy in schools, hand in your Tommy Guns, no more having a Tommy Tank, it is to be referred to by its proper name (but not hand shandy, Shandy is a favourite of thugs, and they're are all fascists and likely to offend and trigger the righteous).
I implore you people, for the sake of a nation whose mental wellbeing is being harmed by all things Tommy, abide by this amnesty, make UK a better place.
If it gets enough traction, i might organise a march. Who's with me?
posted on 18/9/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by RED666.. 🏴 Roll on ... (U6562)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Snooker_49 (U10665)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by RED666.. 🏴 Roll on ... (U6562)
posted 18 minutes ago
Morning Snooker_49, any luck on finding where I’ve supported Tommy Robinson?
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You said something like when the next Tommy sleep out is held you'll give it backing. That implies you're a fan of him.
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FFS! So you are as narrow minded as FoAR, the great Tommy sleep out has nothing to do with Tommy Robinson!
Here’s a link, https://rbli.co.uk/rbli-events/the-great-tommy-sleep-out/
‘The Great Tommy Sleep is an annual fundraising event organized by the Royal British Legion Industries (RBLI), taking place in March 2026. Participants spend one night, or more, sleeping outdoors to raise money and awareness for homeless veterans, providing them with safe shelter and mental health support.’
Oh dear, but it has Tommy in its name!
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So to avoid upsetting the do-gooders, so they don't get confused and start foaming at the mouth, all things with Tommy in it should be cancelled.
A Tommy Amnesty - Change your name, your kids name, your company name, cease teaching anatomy in schools, hand in your Tommy Guns, no more having a Tommy Tank, it is to be referred to by its proper name (but not hand shandy, Shandy is a favourite of thugs, and they're are all fascists and likely to offend and trigger the righteous).
I implore you people, for the sake of a nation whose mental wellbeing is being harmed by all things Tommy, abide by this amnesty, make UK a better place.
If it gets enough traction, i might organise a march. Who's with me?
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It is clear that the man got confused about Red666's initial comment. As in, why would you say something along the lines of I do not support Tommy Robertson but the great Tommy sleep out will be getting my full support. It seems related to anyone who doesn't really know what it is, given the context in which the man mentioned it.
No need to get your knickers in a twist. Man up. People triggered too easily these days.
posted on 18/9/25
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by RED666.. 🏴 Roll on ... (U6562)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Snooker_49 (U10665)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by RED666.. 🏴 Roll on ... (U6562)
posted 18 minutes ago
Morning Snooker_49, any luck on finding where I’ve supported Tommy Robinson?
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You said something like when the next Tommy sleep out is held you'll give it backing. That implies you're a fan of him.
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FFS! So you are as narrow minded as FoAR, the great Tommy sleep out has nothing to do with Tommy Robinson!
Here’s a link, https://rbli.co.uk/rbli-events/the-great-tommy-sleep-out/
‘The Great Tommy Sleep is an annual fundraising event organized by the Royal British Legion Industries (RBLI), taking place in March 2026. Participants spend one night, or more, sleeping outdoors to raise money and awareness for homeless veterans, providing them with safe shelter and mental health support.’
Oh dear, but it has Tommy in its name!
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So to avoid upsetting the do-gooders, so they don't get confused and start foaming at the mouth, all things with Tommy in it should be cancelled.
A Tommy Amnesty - Change your name, your kids name, your company name, cease teaching anatomy in schools, hand in your Tommy Guns, no more having a Tommy Tank, it is to be referred to by its proper name (but not hand shandy, Shandy is a favourite of thugs, and they're are all fascists and likely to offend and trigger the righteous).
I implore you people, for the sake of a nation whose mental wellbeing is being harmed by all things Tommy, abide by this amnesty, make UK a better place.
If it gets enough traction, i might organise a march. Who's with me?
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It is clear that the man got confused about Red666's initial comment. As in, why would you say something along the lines of I do not support Tommy Robertson but the great Tommy sleep out will be getting my full support. It seems related to anyone who doesn't really know what it is, given the context in which the man mentioned it.
No need to get your knickers in a twist. Man up. People triggered too easily these days.
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Interesting though that someone should jump to that very simply judgement, without regard to facts, making a very quick and simple assumption, basically an ignorant conclusion informed by their preconceptions.
Forgivable if you are on the side of the righteous and I am sure a complete one-off.
posted on 18/9/25
Exactly. Too many people on here getting triggered if anybody calls out people who attend and behave badly at Tommy Robinson marches.
posted on 18/9/25
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 15 hours, 12 minutes ago
Devon ..would you vote for Tommy Robinson if he stood for Parliament ?
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This question just sums up the point ive been making.
Despite having called TR quite a few unpleasant names myself, never once endorsed his strong views, acknowledged his fascist background and the undertone of everything he does, condoned the hatred displayed by him and others and the violent thugs, mocked some of the speakers at his march etc etc because i dont accept that everyone at that march is as good as a fascist/racist/Islamophobe, I get asked would i vote for him?
A simple binary outlook from people that if you don't judge him and everyone at that march in absolute terms, then you are one of them, a supporter.
Those with a fully functioning brain know that free speech is not about saying whatever you like, but it is about being able to offer a differing opinion. I have offered a very mild counter opinion to the main narrative and because of that people see it necessary to ask the question whether i would vote for him.
Nothing in what i have said anywhere has endorsed TR but because i am not entirely on your side of the fence, i must must judged accordingly.
Debate is totally about free speech, and if my modest pushing back on the main narrative is to lead to the conclusion that I must be a fascist or TR sympathiser, someone who may be prepared to vote him (and we know how such people are judged) then you prove my point. I am none of these things but are judged by some as being so.
No one is shooting me for my opinion but anyone who offers an opinion and is being labelled in strong terms by a self righteously moral other side, will receive such treatment as an out of hand rejection of their opinion , and that does not foster debate, and debate is grounded in free speech.
(nb: not everyone has reacted in this way, some have entered into debate, so dont get your knickers in a twist if you think i'm accusing you of something you havent done. There are plenty who have)
posted on 18/9/25
A simple binary outlook from people that if you don't judge him and everyone at that march in absolute terms, then you are one of them, a supporter.
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What is the end game for this argument? I've seen it and I don't know what you're trying to achieve here tbh. You are the one speaking in absolutes in the above paragraph.
For sure, how you judge TR and his thugs matters. When a person tries to defend them, make out like they're not all bad, they may not all be bad but why does it matter so much that a few may not be outright racists? They're still attending that march together with outright racist and that means something.
It depends on how you view some things. To me there is little to no difference between racists and racist sympathisers. When racists march I don't really care to try to discern which among those marching is not racist. Tha would be stoopid. In fact, IMO most people who sympathise with racists are just racists that aren't man enough to be straightforward with it. I have more respect for racists than their pathetic sympathisers.
It's like when Trump said there's good people on both sides after a far right KKK march in the USA. You can't try to subliminally sanitise these things and expect to get away with it. People can see through it.
posted on 18/9/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by RED666.. 🏴 Roll on ... (U6562)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Snooker_49 (U10665)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by RED666.. 🏴 Roll on ... (U6562)
posted 18 minutes ago
Morning Snooker_49, any luck on finding where I’ve supported Tommy Robinson?
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You said something like when the next Tommy sleep out is held you'll give it backing. That implies you're a fan of him.
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FFS! So you are as narrow minded as FoAR, the great Tommy sleep out has nothing to do with Tommy Robinson!
Here’s a link, https://rbli.co.uk/rbli-events/the-great-tommy-sleep-out/
‘The Great Tommy Sleep is an annual fundraising event organized by the Royal British Legion Industries (RBLI), taking place in March 2026. Participants spend one night, or more, sleeping outdoors to raise money and awareness for homeless veterans, providing them with safe shelter and mental health support.’
Oh dear, but it has Tommy in its name!
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So to avoid upsetting the do-gooders, so they don't get confused and start foaming at the mouth, all things with Tommy in it should be cancelled.
A Tommy Amnesty - Change your name, your kids name, your company name, cease teaching anatomy in schools, hand in your Tommy Guns, no more having a Tommy Tank, it is to be referred to by its proper name (but not hand shandy, Shandy is a favourite of thugs, and they're are all fascists and likely to offend and trigger the righteous).
I implore you people, for the sake of a nation whose mental wellbeing is being harmed by all things Tommy, abide by this amnesty, make UK a better place.
If it gets enough traction, i might organise a march. Who's with me?
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It is clear that the man got confused about Red666's initial comment. As in, why would you say something along the lines of I do not support Tommy Robertson but the great Tommy sleep out will be getting my full support. It seems related to anyone who doesn't really know what it is, given the context in which the man mentioned it.
No need to get your knickers in a twist. Man up. People triggered too easily these days.
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Interesting though that someone should jump to that very simply judgement, without regard to facts, making a very quick and simple assumption, basically an ignorant conclusion informed by their preconceptions.
Forgivable if you are on the side of the righteous and I am sure a complete one-off.
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Don't support Tommy Robertson but will be giving full support to the Tommy sleepout. Why is that at all relevant? Obviously it would lead people to believe that it is related. And why should the man know anything about the Tommy sleepout?
posted on 18/9/25
Toms I HATE:
Tommy Robinson
Tom Brady
Peeping Toms
Toms is LOVE
Thomas the Tank Engine
Tom Baker
Tom Selleck
posted on 18/9/25
I HATE Tommy from Rugrats. Always hated him.
posted on 18/9/25
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by RED666.. 🏴 Roll on ... (U6562)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Snooker_49 (U10665)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by RED666.. 🏴 Roll on ... (U6562)
posted 18 minutes ago
Morning Snooker_49, any luck on finding where I’ve supported Tommy Robinson?
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You said something like when the next Tommy sleep out is held you'll give it backing. That implies you're a fan of him.
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FFS! So you are as narrow minded as FoAR, the great Tommy sleep out has nothing to do with Tommy Robinson!
Here’s a link, https://rbli.co.uk/rbli-events/the-great-tommy-sleep-out/
‘The Great Tommy Sleep is an annual fundraising event organized by the Royal British Legion Industries (RBLI), taking place in March 2026. Participants spend one night, or more, sleeping outdoors to raise money and awareness for homeless veterans, providing them with safe shelter and mental health support.’
Oh dear, but it has Tommy in its name!
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So to avoid upsetting the do-gooders, so they don't get confused and start foaming at the mouth, all things with Tommy in it should be cancelled.
A Tommy Amnesty - Change your name, your kids name, your company name, cease teaching anatomy in schools, hand in your Tommy Guns, no more having a Tommy Tank, it is to be referred to by its proper name (but not hand shandy, Shandy is a favourite of thugs, and they're are all fascists and likely to offend and trigger the righteous).
I implore you people, for the sake of a nation whose mental wellbeing is being harmed by all things Tommy, abide by this amnesty, make UK a better place.
If it gets enough traction, i might organise a march. Who's with me?
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It is clear that the man got confused about Red666's initial comment. As in, why would you say something along the lines of I do not support Tommy Robertson but the great Tommy sleep out will be getting my full support. It seems related to anyone who doesn't really know what it is, given the context in which the man mentioned it.
No need to get your knickers in a twist. Man up. People triggered too easily these days.
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Regarding my Tommy comment I was asked if I supported the march?
I answered that, then mentioned about the sleep out, followed by this which you omitted, ‘ It’s just a shame when I gave it my backing once before people like FieldsofAnfieldRd called me out as a racist for doing so!’
However I also added the sleep out comment to prove a point on how narrow minded people can be, like Dev has has pointed out, not everyone on the march was a fascist, Just like anything with Tommy in the name isn’t always something to do with Tommy Robinson!
Should I get my racist Tommy Hilfiger jacket and leave now!
posted on 18/9/25
FFS. Are we still not allowed to call these guys stupid?
posted on 18/9/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 15 hours, 12 minutes ago
Devon ..would you vote for Tommy Robinson if he stood for Parliament ?
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This question just sums up the point ive been making.
Despite having called TR quite a few unpleasant names myself, never once endorsed his strong views, acknowledged his fascist background and the undertone of everything he does, condoned the hatred displayed by him and others and the violent thugs, mocked some of the speakers at his march etc etc because i dont accept that everyone at that march is as good as a fascist/racist/Islamophobe, I get asked would i vote for him?
A simple binary outlook from people that if you don't judge him and everyone at that march in absolute terms, then you are one of them, a supporter.
Those with a fully functioning brain know that free speech is not about saying whatever you like, but it is about being able to offer a differing opinion. I have offered a very mild counter opinion to the main narrative and because of that people see it necessary to ask the question whether i would vote for him.
Nothing in what i have said anywhere has endorsed TR but because i am not entirely on your side of the fence, i must must judged accordingly.
Debate is totally about free speech, and if my modest pushing back on the main narrative is to lead to the conclusion that I must be a fascist or TR sympathiser, someone who may be prepared to vote him (and we know how such people are judged) then you prove my point. I am none of these things but are judged by some as being so.
No one is shooting me for my opinion but anyone who offers an opinion and is being labelled in strong terms by a self righteously moral other side, will receive such treatment as an out of hand rejection of their opinion , and that does not foster debate, and debate is grounded in free speech.
(nb: not everyone has reacted in this way, some have entered into debate, so dont get your knickers in a twist if you think i'm accusing you of something you havent done. There are plenty who have)
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Lol... you (and others) protest too much
posted on 18/9/25
comment by No Løve - When Klopp leaves... (U1282)
posted 9 minutes ago
A simple binary outlook from people that if you don't judge him and everyone at that march in absolute terms, then you are one of them, a supporter.
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What is the end game for this argument? I've seen it and I don't know what you're trying to achieve here tbh. You are the one speaking in absolutes in the above paragraph.
For sure, how you judge TR and his thugs matters. When a person tries to defend them, make out like they're not all bad, they may not all be bad but why does it matter so much that a few may not be outright racists? They're still attending that march together with outright racist and that means something.
It depends on how you view some things. To me there is little to no difference between racists and racist sympathisers. When racists march I don't really care to try to discern which among those marching is not racist. Tha would be stoopid. In fact, IMO most people who sympathise with racists are just racists that aren't man enough to be straightforward with it. I have more respect for racists than their pathetic sympathisers.
It's like when Trump said there's good people on both sides after a far right KKK march in the USA. You can't try to subliminally sanitise these things and expect to get away with it. People can see through it.
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I am not speaking in absolute terms, i have acknowledged that some have debated while others have gone straight to such judgements.
One of the points i am making is typified by an interview i saw (will try and find it) from someone from Epping impacted by the whole asylum hotel hooha! They seemed genuine, they werent spouting hate, they were expressing their concerns that dozens of unvetted single men had been dumped in their community. They didnt know what nationality or religion these men are, just that they were there. Any concerns held about safety were endorsed when one was charged with the assault of a teenage girl. Those are legit concerns but anyone who holds such views and attend a march is viewed the same as any of the 'rent a thugs' that jump on such situations or those who call for the hotel to be burnt down etc.
For the Govt to challenge the courts decision to allow closure at least gives the impression that they are more concerned with the rights of the asylum seekers than the community and this perception was backed up by statements by their lawyers and a minister.
I do not know why people cannot see that situation as sticking in the throat of the local community, leading them to a position where they feel the Govt is not listening or caring about them...where do they go? How do they make their voice heard.
The person interviewed was moderate and considered in their explanation. They weren't making any link to Islam etc
Many on here would hold this person to be a racist and/or fascist simply for being on a march...a march they attended because they wanted their voice heard
There is a range of views, experiences and attitudes around the same issue that create a spectrum of opinions. So many go straight to putting any counter opinion at the worst end of that spectrum and that is counter productive. Solutions are found through discussion and debate. If people are going to judge any counter opinion as racists or racist sympathisers (or worse) and deem their views invalid then no debate happens or is possible. Voices who are not at the extreme (like the example i gave above) are not heard, and it is this sort of situation that leads to people attending marches like this.
I'm not trying to sanitise anything. There will be a chunk of very hateful people in that crowd, but not all of them. If people do not apply any balance to their views then we end up with a complete polarisation of issues and division and that feeds into the hands of the likes of Tommy
posted on 18/9/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 15 hours, 12 minutes ago
Devon ..would you vote for Tommy Robinson if he stood for Parliament ?
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This question just sums up the point ive been making.
Despite having called TR quite a few unpleasant names myself, never once endorsed his strong views, acknowledged his fascist background and the undertone of everything he does, condoned the hatred displayed by him and others and the violent thugs, mocked some of the speakers at his march etc etc because i dont accept that everyone at that march is as good as a fascist/racist/Islamophobe, I get asked would i vote for him?
A simple binary outlook from people that if you don't judge him and everyone at that march in absolute terms, then you are one of them, a supporter.
Those with a fully functioning brain know that free speech is not about saying whatever you like, but it is about being able to offer a differing opinion. I have offered a very mild counter opinion to the main narrative and because of that people see it necessary to ask the question whether i would vote for him.
Nothing in what i have said anywhere has endorsed TR but because i am not entirely on your side of the fence, i must must judged accordingly.
Debate is totally about free speech, and if my modest pushing back on the main narrative is to lead to the conclusion that I must be a fascist or TR sympathiser, someone who may be prepared to vote him (and we know how such people are judged) then you prove my point. I am none of these things but are judged by some as being so.
No one is shooting me for my opinion but anyone who offers an opinion and is being labelled in strong terms by a self righteously moral other side, will receive such treatment as an out of hand rejection of their opinion , and that does not foster debate, and debate is grounded in free speech.
(nb: not everyone has reacted in this way, some have entered into debate, so dont get your knickers in a twist if you think i'm accusing you of something you havent done. There are plenty who have)
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This kind of sums up where we currently are in the world of politics now. I'm a left leaning liberal but I don't think those on the far left even remotely represent everything I hold dear. Politics used to be a line, where you'd have the far left on one side, the far right on the other, and the more reasonable centrists, like myself, in the middle. Now it's a circle because the far left are as bad as the far right and they meet back up together as the line curves. It's actually quite hard to distinguish one from the other.
I don't condone any of those on the march. I don't agree with you Dev that you're likely to get reasonable people joining it. They're not all going to be hate-filled lunatics but you don't join a march of that nature unless there is a thread of discontent about immigration, and let's be real here - at the heart of that is a sprinkling of racism. It's not mouth-frothing hate, but it's still racism, however minor.
The country is broken for one reason or another (Brexit, Covid, the fall of the western economy in general - many reasons) so you've got a lot of very angry people whose income is stalling and expenses are rising. They read some bullshiiiiit headline about immigration and then blame their misfortune on immigrants or asylum seekers. What you have to ask yourself is why are we seeing these headlines so often. Are they accurate, is there an invasion? Of course not but those in real power, and by that I mean those with the money, not the government, like nothing better than to find a patsy. Blaming everything on immigrants is music to their ears. They can squeeze the public purse all the time others are blamed. There's an agenda at play here. This stuff is by design.
I do think you're right in that the there are idiots on both sides of the fence on this but I have to admit, there is a part of me that thinks if anyone requires help on the NHS who is part of that march, they should be made to wait to be seen by someone British if they're so determined to push back against immigration like this. You just know that some of those absolute morons writing "GO HOME" outside Indian restaurants, will at some stage, need to thank another possible Indian for saving their life on the NHS. That's the part that really annoys me.
Beyond that though, it's the hate across the board I can't stand. There's just so much vitriol on both sides. People need to delete Twitter. It's seriously warping reason and logic. It's got to a point now where policy and legislation is being built on the outrage and anger seen on Twitter but the truth is that once you put the phone down and look up and see the real world, it's fine. Everyone is actually reasonable, they're nice, they're helpful. We've paid far too much attention to Twitter in recent years and it's warped our sense of the real world. Even this very debate is a microcosm of what happens on Twitter. It's about attention, not sincerity. People don't actually hate that much. Not really. They hate because they're told to hate.
posted on 18/9/25
So you are saying we can call Tommy Robertson marchers whatever we want?
Yes, it's not binary, there are different levels of Tommy Robertson marchers. Ranging from Tommy Robertson marchers who have concerns about illegal immigrant, up to Tommy Robertson marchers who want the eradication of muslims. All still attended the Tommy Robertson march. My view is that ALL Tommy Robertson marchers are reetards. And many others here share that view. Your view appears to be that you share some of the concerns of the Tommy Robertson marchers (but you won't say this) so defend this level of Tommy Robertson marcher. I do not share the same views as these minor level Tommy Robertson marchers. You seem to think that we should understand their frustrations. We don't.
posted on 18/9/25
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 4 minutes ago
So you are saying we can call Tommy Robertson marchers whatever we want?
Yes, it's not binary, there are different levels of Tommy Robertson marchers. Ranging from Tommy Robertson marchers who have concerns about illegal immigrant, up to Tommy Robertson marchers who want the eradication of muslims. All still attended the Tommy Robertson march. My view is that ALL Tommy Robertson marchers are reetards. And many others here share that view. Your view appears to be that you share some of the concerns of the Tommy Robertson marchers (but you won't say this) so defend this level of Tommy Robertson marcher. I do not share the same views as these minor level Tommy Robertson marchers. You seem to think that we should understand their frustrations. We don't.
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Getting his name wrong so many times surely has to be deliberate?
posted on 18/9/25
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 4 minutes ago
So you are saying we can call Tommy Robertson marchers whatever we want?
Yes, it's not binary, there are different levels of Tommy Robertson marchers. Ranging from Tommy Robertson marchers who have concerns about illegal immigrant, up to Tommy Robertson marchers who want the eradication of muslims. All still attended the Tommy Robertson march. My view is that ALL Tommy Robertson marchers are reetards. And many others here share that view. Your view appears to be that you share some of the concerns of the Tommy Robertson marchers (but you won't say this) so defend this level of Tommy Robertson marcher. I do not share the same views as these minor level Tommy Robertson marchers. You seem to think that we should understand their frustrations. We don't.
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Getting his name wrong so many times surely has to be deliberate?
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Oh. What's his real name?
posted on 18/9/25
Tommy Robinson. Or cuuuunt will so.
posted on 18/9/25
will do.
posted on 18/9/25
Tommy Robinson shouldnt even be allowed in any part of a democratic, political conversation in the UK of any kind whatsoever. Neither should Musk. What was he/they actually encouraging those 100K+ demonstraters to do... right now? Think very hard about it.
posted on 18/9/25
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 12 seconds ago
Tommy Robinson. Or cuuuunt will so.
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Ah ok. Sorry. Didn't mean to cause any disrespect to his family name. I don't imagine his parents will be too happy about me getting their family name wrong. It was disrespectful and wrong of me.
posted on 18/9/25
Iz endlessly musin too me when peepull with horrendus views get upset when uthers point oot there views r horrendus
posted on 18/9/25
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 12 seconds ago
Tommy Robinson. Or cuuuunt will so.
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Ah ok. Sorry. Didn't mean to cause any disrespect to his family name. I don't imagine his parents will be too happy about me getting their family name wrong. It was disrespectful and wrong of me.
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Fancy repeatedly calling him ‘Tommy Robertson’!
And that was after you came out with this little gem ‘FFS. Are we still not allowed to call these guys stupid?’
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posted on 18/9/25
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 17 minutes ago
So you are saying we can call Tommy Robertson marchers whatever we want?
Yes, it's not binary, there are different levels of Tommy Robertson marchers. Ranging from Tommy Robertson marchers who have concerns about illegal immigrant, up to Tommy Robertson marchers who want the eradication of muslims. All still attended the Tommy Robertson march. My view is that ALL Tommy Robertson marchers are reetards. And many others here share that view. Your view appears to be that you share some of the concerns of the Tommy Robertson marchers (but you won't say this) so defend this level of Tommy Robertson marcher. I do not share the same views as these minor level Tommy Robertson marchers. You seem to think that we should understand their frustrations. We don't.
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I wouldnt go as far as retaards but those at the moderate end of the scale will not be surprised by being judged by association...that does not make it right though, nor helpful and i suppose it is to be expected in this environment.
I have been on record saying that our uncontrolled immigration is of concern, on many levels. I do not see it as the cause of all our problems, it's more of a symptom, and in fact our problems as a nation need immigration as part of the solution.
But like any sector that requires more workers, those you select are the ones who best meet your needs.
Our immigration policy should be tailored to meet the needs of our country, not just an open door policy which is more or less what we have seen for 5 years.
My primary issue in politics is always the economy, so i do not see immigration as a lead issue that would have me voting Reform, but it is intertwined with immigration. A sound policy will have positive effects and i reject the notion that all immigration is good and brings more benefits than bad, the impact of large scale immigration goes beyond the economy and for some this cultural impact is what riles them the most. I think it is those sorts who tend to find the more extreme positions, a concern fundamentally based intolerance/prejudice, but not all people dwell in the extremes.
Right now i think our immigration policy needs to be focussed not on as being as nice or as nasty as possible to anyone wanting to come here, but to make it work for the country. Basically, be bloody selfish about it. Right now we are not in a position to be loose and generous with our policy.
The same applies to illegal immigrants. It is a fallacy that all those coming here on boats are genuine asylum seekers, they are first and foremost illegal immigrants who when they arrive will seek asylum. Whether their case is accepted or not is determined on merit...but as the most recent case has shown with teh 1 out 1 in policy, that man is playing the legal game (to the cost of taxpayers, not himself) that could see him stay here up to another year before he is deemed to be able to be sent back to France. That fundamentally does not seem right and even the Govts KC stated in proceedings that to allow him to stay will undermine the deterrent-effect of the policy and show other the way to play the system. It is a system built for abuse and on one side of the argument, all asylum seekers are awful and their boats should be sunk and the other side they are all persecuted people who need safe shelter and anyone against that is right/far right etc Neither are right but our policy is failing and mistakes are costing us billions.
None of that should see me labelled as anything more than someone who has a considered opinion on a subject and if you disagree with me with an equally considered opinion then fair enough. Many do not respond that way in debate though, and thats why i find myself pushing back at lazy binary labelling of people. My views may well be aligned with some on that march, Tommy might agree with me, although his solutions would probably go a lot further...but that does not make me Tommy or a supporter or a sympathiser. My view is my view based on my observations, knowledge and experiences. I don't follow anyone.
posted on 18/9/25
comment by RED666.. 🏴 Roll on 2029! 🇬🇧. (U6562)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 12 seconds ago
Tommy Robinson. Or cuuuunt will so.
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Ah ok. Sorry. Didn't mean to cause any disrespect to his family name. I don't imagine his parents will be too happy about me getting their family name wrong. It was disrespectful and wrong of me.
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Fancy repeatedly calling him ‘Tommy Robertson’!
And that was after you came out with this little gem ‘FFS. Are we still not allowed to call these guys stupid?’
🤣
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Let's not let a little spelling mistake cloud your judgment. He's absolutely right. Every single person on that march is stupid, and racist. Robinson is a complete thug and it's a sad measure of the time we're living in that he has that kind of following.
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