comment by manutdwinners (U23288)
posted 18 minutes ago
Irishred - not at all. It’s very important to be able to anticipate potential harm so you can avoid it. The trajectory is clear. People will get poorer, immigration will continue and Muslims will be blamed. Things will continue to deteriorate. A Muslim dying is not a big issue in western nations, as Muslims are seen as subhuman and we can see this with Palestinians. A child dying is just a number. So if let’s say 1 million Muslims were killed in western countries, I don’t think there would be any major outcry. It’s imperative for safety reasons to leave.
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Yeah you’re nuts
RB&W exactly. I always here even from my Muslims friends. “It will be okay, I doubt anything really bad can happen”. Pure delusion. Very bad things can happen and will happen. Palestinians today for example are seen as subhuman. A child with their brain half sticking out after being shot, is not an issue. You think they will care for you when your child or wife is dragged and beaten in the street? Of course not. It will be considered the norm and okay because you are the enemy. That’s the reality and the trajectory for western nations. Escaping before it’s only too late is the best option. The professionals amongst the community could do great things in their country of origin and help develop it. You can easily turn a negative situation into a positive.
See, the march has even emboldened Nolhman to have another crack on here.
A minor thing that irks me with the march was yet more imported American b@llocks. We've seen it on all sides of the political spectrum over here and it does my head in.
Seeing protestors shout things like "Christ is king" when they've probably never even set foot in a church.
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 minutes ago
A minor thing that irks me with the march was yet more imported American b@llocks. We've seen it on all sides of the political spectrum over here and it does my head in.
Seeing protestors shout things like "Christ is king" when they've probably never even set foot in a church.
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Wait until they realise where he was from...
Hear*
My comments are not that radical. They may seem far fetched but we have seen this before in human history. There is precedence. It’s not impossible. Attitudes can change. The world is changing. International law has been shown to be useless and a facade. These last few years have seen major changes. Far right is rising and will take over.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
i acknowledge that it is dangerously being gathered under a banner held by those with more malevolent intentions
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This should be more than an acknowledgement. It should be a large concern. Do I need to continue the Hitler analogies or are you getting it yet?
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Hitler is the most extreme of extreme examples.
I am concerned with the direction of travel but to suggest that Hitlers Germany is the logical end, or even relevant here, is way off the mark. Not helpful...and tbh not easy to identify when you are doing your usual left-field humour to make a point or making a serious point.
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So what do you think is the logical end?
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Its not a fascist dictatorship
Anyone thinking Reform coming to power (which will be the logical end if the Government fails to act across a wide range of issues) will be the equivalent to Hitlers N@zi party coming to power really is lacking a few braincells.
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IF reform get in and cannot fulfill their multiple empty promises, the immediate deportations etc and their base revolt, what then?
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 5 minutes ago
A minor thing that irks me with the march was yet more imported American b@llocks. We've seen it on all sides of the political spectrum over here and it does my head in.
Seeing protestors shout things like "Christ is king" when they've probably never even set foot in a church.
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Also, if they were true patriots they would be pagans, as Christianity is an imported religion.
If reform get in and fail, then the next logical conclusion will be a government even further right. Reform will fail and many will say because they were not extreme enough. Country will slip further right and people you thought were ordinary nice people, will be doing things incomprehensible.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
i acknowledge that it is dangerously being gathered under a banner held by those with more malevolent intentions
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This should be more than an acknowledgement. It should be a large concern. Do I need to continue the Hitler analogies or are you getting it yet?
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Hitler is the most extreme of extreme examples.
I am concerned with the direction of travel but to suggest that Hitlers Germany is the logical end, or even relevant here, is way off the mark. Not helpful...and tbh not easy to identify when you are doing your usual left-field humour to make a point or making a serious point.
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So what do you think is the logical end?
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Its not a fascist dictatorship
Anyone thinking Reform coming to power (which will be the logical end if the Government fails to act across a wide range of issues) will be the equivalent to Hitlers N@zi party coming to power really is lacking a few braincells.
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People said the same about Trump this time and he now has his secret police and is using the army to crack down on states ran by his opponents.
It's all very obvious. Tommy started on day one of Kier Starmer's reign, trying to start riots to show how bad Britain has come under Labour. Thought it would have been a bit soon for people to be taken in by it, but underestimated how stupid they are.
Tommy has deliberately distanced himself from Farage. But Reform getting in benefits him. They are massive odds on favourites to win the next election (essentially guaranteed).
Day one again, he will be calling out Farage for not delivering, trying to start riots to show that Farage has lost control. Continuing to highlight individual cases where Muslims have been bad. He will then campaign for Farage to be removed (backed every day on twitter by Musk) to be replaced by himself.
Then he can use his mandate by the British people to carry out what he has wanted to do since he founded the EDL.
Actually wouldn't rule out this happening before the next election so that Tommy leads Reform into it.
Whether or not Farage ends up taking power and starts sticking people in gas chambers, it is perfectly reasonable to draw parallels between modern day right wing parties to the Nazzi party. We should actively encourage people to call it out where they see it.
I really dont get this hesitancy (even from some on the left) to draw Hitler comparisons, as if it is totally impossible that could ever happen again. The way we stop it happening, in fact, is to call it out wherever we can.
Not to mention how USA is disappearing people.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 5 minutes ago
A minor thing that irks me with the march was yet more imported American b@llocks. We've seen it on all sides of the political spectrum over here and it does my head in.
Seeing protestors shout things like "Christ is king" when they've probably never even set foot in a church.
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Also, if they were true patriots they would be pagans, as Christianity is an imported religion.
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If Jesus was alive now they would deport him for being a brown man.
Reform has already won the election as labour is going to fail on immigration and the economy. Conservatives are done. Easy win for reform. And then it’s let the games begin. Far right will be emboldened. They will have the state right behind them.
comment by manutdwinners (U23288)
posted 1 minute ago
Reform has already won the election as labour is going to fail on immigration and the economy. Conservatives are done. Easy win for reform. And then it’s let the games begin. Far right will be emboldened. They will have the state right behind them.
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Who would you vote for?
Sam - I definitely see Tommy as PM one day. The way you played it out seems quite likely.
Sam Irving - I hope I’ll be out of the country by then.
Anyone dressing that march up as anything other than divisive, racist and a total regression of all cultural progress made in the last 50 years, is frankly delusional.
What exactly is the protest against? Freedom of speech? You've got that. Be grateful you're in a country that allows it, just as anyone on the left can protest the opposite. I really struggle to understand what it is about this country that these Robinson types find so contemptible. If it's so terrible, I'm sure we can put everyone marching on those boats they love to moan about. They can feck off and we can replace them with hard working immigrants that have basically propped up the NHS for the last 70 years or so.
Why do so many of these people always seems to have a residence elsewhere too? Reformers like Richard Tice and Isabel Oakshott have the brazen cheek to moan about economic migrants and immigration in general, whilst residing in Qatar and not paying a penny into the British system. I mean, you cannot even make up that level of feckin hypocrisy.
No one is going to like me saying this but I think a lot of this is down to the fall of the west in a financial sense. No one has money, prospects are low, the NHS is at breaking point, US tarifs have crippled trade and the dominance of the west is now being replaced by the likes of China, who are looking far more prosperous. When you start to lose hope, radical desperate decisions are made. People either drift far right or far left as an act of either desperation or protest. I don't think we'd be seeing anywhere near as much division and hate if prospects and finances were good for the common man. I just think at the end of the day it comes down to a lack of education. Rather than think rationally, as things become more desperate, they're looking for someone or something to blame. It's misguided though. They think things weren't as good as they used to be and immigration is up - oh, it must be them to blame. It's completely absurd.
It's a combination western economic status, an agenda from those with real power (i.e the people with the money, not the government), social media (and all the propaganda that coems with it) and enough desperation for the masses to make stupid decisions.
No one is born to hate this much.
comment by manutdwinners (U23288)
posted 2 minutes ago
Reform has already won the election as labour is going to fail on immigration and the economy. Conservatives are done. Easy win for reform. And then it’s let the games begin. Far right will be emboldened. They will have the state right behind them.
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They won't have the state behind them. That's what they think will happen but it absolutely won't be the case. It will all be a ruse.
Farage is coming in to take care of the economic interests his rich backers, the rest is a charade. Any actions will be cosmetic and he won't actually do fack all but make the rich richer and drive the country closer to the brink.
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
Yeah it's not a concern at all that the most powerful man in the world, who controls the media (that these people consume), promotes Tommy Robertson as his number one guy on his social media site.
You've been played Devonspur. A few years ago, those backing Tommy Robertson would justifiably be called massive racists. Now you are genuinely justifying those supporting him by saying they just have "genuine concerns".
You've been done over and Musk will continue this until he has his puppet Tommy Robertson in power. There's not a lot you can do, but Devon, it's good to acknowledge and at least be aware of what is happening.
We have got to the point, where you, as a pretty intelligent poster are now saying that people are right to back Tommy Robertson because there is no longer a crown on pint glasses, when you know full well what Robertson actually stands for..
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I know what he stands for and i do not back him.
My point is that not all 150,000 people all stand for the same thing.
If you think all of them are massive racists like TR, then i disagree.
What i take from this event is that i was surprised how many turned out. I knew what we would get from TR and his speakers and it stuff i completely reject.
What i think the danger is is that this action is just passed off as 150000 massive racists making an unpleasant noise in the capital.
I believe it points to a larger level of unrest that is drawn from many issues. TR wants to put this under a banner of "free speech", because he want to try and legitimise his views and spout his bile with impunity, and there will be many there lapping up this nonsense. I have concerns about free speech in this country but i would never align my views with TR.
You are right that many people are not able to diagnose the problems of this country, they are complex and interlinked, so many will be drawn to this simple answers provided by Robinson and his like.
My belief is that the majority of people are pretty moderate, not at the extreme end like Robinson et al and that if the Government or any party offered some acknowledgement, solutions and action then most moderate people would get on board. Currently this Govt offers nothing, Starmer offers nothing and some decisions have appeared actively working against the people. This march was a chance to push back on things like that but when it comes to voting they will be driven to the only party who discuss the issues, Reform. The fact their propaganda and some of their policies go beyond moderate is the downside of aligning with a party who at least acknowledge and present solutions, but some will feel that is the only option, the only party offering something towards their concerns.
This is why i push back hard against the binary approach to debate, the polarisation of views. Whether done by either side, it just creates more division and ends up as a slanging match at the extremes with the actual issues informing peoples positions being overlooked. It will just push more people to the extremes
That's why just labelling them all as massive racists and moving on achieves nothing, in the same way as those on stage labelling any counter argument as woke non sense and rejecting that is equally as stupid.
People only tend to deal in extremes these days. Nothing else gets attention and this is driven by social media where no one cares for a moderate view, you're either all racists or woke, nothing else gets traction. Youve done the same by likening this situation to N@zi Germany and Hitler. Whether for comedic effect or not, i'm not sure.
I wouldn't be surprised if Musk and Robertson (and whatever other stakeholders) are having talks this week based on the success of the march. It was almost a test the waters event to test the support for him. The removal of Starmer with a general election being called could be achievable pretty soon now.
No Love - and that will create the perfect conditions for Farage to be replaced by Tommy.
comment by manutdwinners (U23288)
posted 1 minute ago
No Love - and that will create the perfect conditions for Farage to be replaced by Tommy.
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If that were to happen we'd be facked and finished.
I know what he stands for and i do not back him.
My point is that not all 150,000 people all stand for the same thing.
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AGAIN, it doesn't matter that they don't all stand for the same thing. What matters is what Tommy Robertson and his lot stand for. That is what they are giving support for, whether it is their intention or not.
It was the same with Hitler. The comparison is a good one.
If Tommy Roberston came out and his 3 policies were to obliterate the muslims, get rid of wokeness, and lower energy bills, would you have the same excuses for people voting for him because they were angry about their energy bills?
You show support for the founder of the EDL, you get the founder of the EDL, it doesn't matter your reasons for supporting him. It's the outcome that is important.
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posted on 15/9/25
comment by manutdwinners (U23288)
posted 18 minutes ago
Irishred - not at all. It’s very important to be able to anticipate potential harm so you can avoid it. The trajectory is clear. People will get poorer, immigration will continue and Muslims will be blamed. Things will continue to deteriorate. A Muslim dying is not a big issue in western nations, as Muslims are seen as subhuman and we can see this with Palestinians. A child dying is just a number. So if let’s say 1 million Muslims were killed in western countries, I don’t think there would be any major outcry. It’s imperative for safety reasons to leave.
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Yeah you’re nuts
posted on 15/9/25
RB&W exactly. I always here even from my Muslims friends. “It will be okay, I doubt anything really bad can happen”. Pure delusion. Very bad things can happen and will happen. Palestinians today for example are seen as subhuman. A child with their brain half sticking out after being shot, is not an issue. You think they will care for you when your child or wife is dragged and beaten in the street? Of course not. It will be considered the norm and okay because you are the enemy. That’s the reality and the trajectory for western nations. Escaping before it’s only too late is the best option. The professionals amongst the community could do great things in their country of origin and help develop it. You can easily turn a negative situation into a positive.
posted on 15/9/25
See, the march has even emboldened Nolhman to have another crack on here.
posted on 15/9/25
A minor thing that irks me with the march was yet more imported American b@llocks. We've seen it on all sides of the political spectrum over here and it does my head in.
Seeing protestors shout things like "Christ is king" when they've probably never even set foot in a church.
posted on 15/9/25
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 minutes ago
A minor thing that irks me with the march was yet more imported American b@llocks. We've seen it on all sides of the political spectrum over here and it does my head in.
Seeing protestors shout things like "Christ is king" when they've probably never even set foot in a church.
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Wait until they realise where he was from...
posted on 15/9/25
Hear*
My comments are not that radical. They may seem far fetched but we have seen this before in human history. There is precedence. It’s not impossible. Attitudes can change. The world is changing. International law has been shown to be useless and a facade. These last few years have seen major changes. Far right is rising and will take over.
posted on 15/9/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
i acknowledge that it is dangerously being gathered under a banner held by those with more malevolent intentions
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This should be more than an acknowledgement. It should be a large concern. Do I need to continue the Hitler analogies or are you getting it yet?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hitler is the most extreme of extreme examples.
I am concerned with the direction of travel but to suggest that Hitlers Germany is the logical end, or even relevant here, is way off the mark. Not helpful...and tbh not easy to identify when you are doing your usual left-field humour to make a point or making a serious point.
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So what do you think is the logical end?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its not a fascist dictatorship
Anyone thinking Reform coming to power (which will be the logical end if the Government fails to act across a wide range of issues) will be the equivalent to Hitlers N@zi party coming to power really is lacking a few braincells.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
IF reform get in and cannot fulfill their multiple empty promises, the immediate deportations etc and their base revolt, what then?
posted on 15/9/25
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 5 minutes ago
A minor thing that irks me with the march was yet more imported American b@llocks. We've seen it on all sides of the political spectrum over here and it does my head in.
Seeing protestors shout things like "Christ is king" when they've probably never even set foot in a church.
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Also, if they were true patriots they would be pagans, as Christianity is an imported religion.
posted on 15/9/25
If reform get in and fail, then the next logical conclusion will be a government even further right. Reform will fail and many will say because they were not extreme enough. Country will slip further right and people you thought were ordinary nice people, will be doing things incomprehensible.
posted on 15/9/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
i acknowledge that it is dangerously being gathered under a banner held by those with more malevolent intentions
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This should be more than an acknowledgement. It should be a large concern. Do I need to continue the Hitler analogies or are you getting it yet?
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Hitler is the most extreme of extreme examples.
I am concerned with the direction of travel but to suggest that Hitlers Germany is the logical end, or even relevant here, is way off the mark. Not helpful...and tbh not easy to identify when you are doing your usual left-field humour to make a point or making a serious point.
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So what do you think is the logical end?
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Its not a fascist dictatorship
Anyone thinking Reform coming to power (which will be the logical end if the Government fails to act across a wide range of issues) will be the equivalent to Hitlers N@zi party coming to power really is lacking a few braincells.
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People said the same about Trump this time and he now has his secret police and is using the army to crack down on states ran by his opponents.
posted on 15/9/25
It's all very obvious. Tommy started on day one of Kier Starmer's reign, trying to start riots to show how bad Britain has come under Labour. Thought it would have been a bit soon for people to be taken in by it, but underestimated how stupid they are.
Tommy has deliberately distanced himself from Farage. But Reform getting in benefits him. They are massive odds on favourites to win the next election (essentially guaranteed).
Day one again, he will be calling out Farage for not delivering, trying to start riots to show that Farage has lost control. Continuing to highlight individual cases where Muslims have been bad. He will then campaign for Farage to be removed (backed every day on twitter by Musk) to be replaced by himself.
Then he can use his mandate by the British people to carry out what he has wanted to do since he founded the EDL.
Actually wouldn't rule out this happening before the next election so that Tommy leads Reform into it.
posted on 15/9/25
Whether or not Farage ends up taking power and starts sticking people in gas chambers, it is perfectly reasonable to draw parallels between modern day right wing parties to the Nazzi party. We should actively encourage people to call it out where they see it.
I really dont get this hesitancy (even from some on the left) to draw Hitler comparisons, as if it is totally impossible that could ever happen again. The way we stop it happening, in fact, is to call it out wherever we can.
posted on 15/9/25
Not to mention how USA is disappearing people.
posted on 15/9/25
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 5 minutes ago
A minor thing that irks me with the march was yet more imported American b@llocks. We've seen it on all sides of the political spectrum over here and it does my head in.
Seeing protestors shout things like "Christ is king" when they've probably never even set foot in a church.
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Also, if they were true patriots they would be pagans, as Christianity is an imported religion.
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If Jesus was alive now they would deport him for being a brown man.
posted on 15/9/25
Reform has already won the election as labour is going to fail on immigration and the economy. Conservatives are done. Easy win for reform. And then it’s let the games begin. Far right will be emboldened. They will have the state right behind them.
posted on 15/9/25
comment by manutdwinners (U23288)
posted 1 minute ago
Reform has already won the election as labour is going to fail on immigration and the economy. Conservatives are done. Easy win for reform. And then it’s let the games begin. Far right will be emboldened. They will have the state right behind them.
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Who would you vote for?
posted on 15/9/25
Sam - I definitely see Tommy as PM one day. The way you played it out seems quite likely.
posted on 15/9/25
Sam Irving - I hope I’ll be out of the country by then.
posted on 15/9/25
Anyone dressing that march up as anything other than divisive, racist and a total regression of all cultural progress made in the last 50 years, is frankly delusional.
What exactly is the protest against? Freedom of speech? You've got that. Be grateful you're in a country that allows it, just as anyone on the left can protest the opposite. I really struggle to understand what it is about this country that these Robinson types find so contemptible. If it's so terrible, I'm sure we can put everyone marching on those boats they love to moan about. They can feck off and we can replace them with hard working immigrants that have basically propped up the NHS for the last 70 years or so.
Why do so many of these people always seems to have a residence elsewhere too? Reformers like Richard Tice and Isabel Oakshott have the brazen cheek to moan about economic migrants and immigration in general, whilst residing in Qatar and not paying a penny into the British system. I mean, you cannot even make up that level of feckin hypocrisy.
No one is going to like me saying this but I think a lot of this is down to the fall of the west in a financial sense. No one has money, prospects are low, the NHS is at breaking point, US tarifs have crippled trade and the dominance of the west is now being replaced by the likes of China, who are looking far more prosperous. When you start to lose hope, radical desperate decisions are made. People either drift far right or far left as an act of either desperation or protest. I don't think we'd be seeing anywhere near as much division and hate if prospects and finances were good for the common man. I just think at the end of the day it comes down to a lack of education. Rather than think rationally, as things become more desperate, they're looking for someone or something to blame. It's misguided though. They think things weren't as good as they used to be and immigration is up - oh, it must be them to blame. It's completely absurd.
It's a combination western economic status, an agenda from those with real power (i.e the people with the money, not the government), social media (and all the propaganda that coems with it) and enough desperation for the masses to make stupid decisions.
No one is born to hate this much.
posted on 15/9/25
comment by manutdwinners (U23288)
posted 2 minutes ago
Reform has already won the election as labour is going to fail on immigration and the economy. Conservatives are done. Easy win for reform. And then it’s let the games begin. Far right will be emboldened. They will have the state right behind them.
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They won't have the state behind them. That's what they think will happen but it absolutely won't be the case. It will all be a ruse.
Farage is coming in to take care of the economic interests his rich backers, the rest is a charade. Any actions will be cosmetic and he won't actually do fack all but make the rich richer and drive the country closer to the brink.
posted on 15/9/25
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
Yeah it's not a concern at all that the most powerful man in the world, who controls the media (that these people consume), promotes Tommy Robertson as his number one guy on his social media site.
You've been played Devonspur. A few years ago, those backing Tommy Robertson would justifiably be called massive racists. Now you are genuinely justifying those supporting him by saying they just have "genuine concerns".
You've been done over and Musk will continue this until he has his puppet Tommy Robertson in power. There's not a lot you can do, but Devon, it's good to acknowledge and at least be aware of what is happening.
We have got to the point, where you, as a pretty intelligent poster are now saying that people are right to back Tommy Robertson because there is no longer a crown on pint glasses, when you know full well what Robertson actually stands for..
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I know what he stands for and i do not back him.
My point is that not all 150,000 people all stand for the same thing.
If you think all of them are massive racists like TR, then i disagree.
What i take from this event is that i was surprised how many turned out. I knew what we would get from TR and his speakers and it stuff i completely reject.
What i think the danger is is that this action is just passed off as 150000 massive racists making an unpleasant noise in the capital.
I believe it points to a larger level of unrest that is drawn from many issues. TR wants to put this under a banner of "free speech", because he want to try and legitimise his views and spout his bile with impunity, and there will be many there lapping up this nonsense. I have concerns about free speech in this country but i would never align my views with TR.
You are right that many people are not able to diagnose the problems of this country, they are complex and interlinked, so many will be drawn to this simple answers provided by Robinson and his like.
My belief is that the majority of people are pretty moderate, not at the extreme end like Robinson et al and that if the Government or any party offered some acknowledgement, solutions and action then most moderate people would get on board. Currently this Govt offers nothing, Starmer offers nothing and some decisions have appeared actively working against the people. This march was a chance to push back on things like that but when it comes to voting they will be driven to the only party who discuss the issues, Reform. The fact their propaganda and some of their policies go beyond moderate is the downside of aligning with a party who at least acknowledge and present solutions, but some will feel that is the only option, the only party offering something towards their concerns.
This is why i push back hard against the binary approach to debate, the polarisation of views. Whether done by either side, it just creates more division and ends up as a slanging match at the extremes with the actual issues informing peoples positions being overlooked. It will just push more people to the extremes
That's why just labelling them all as massive racists and moving on achieves nothing, in the same way as those on stage labelling any counter argument as woke non sense and rejecting that is equally as stupid.
People only tend to deal in extremes these days. Nothing else gets attention and this is driven by social media where no one cares for a moderate view, you're either all racists or woke, nothing else gets traction. Youve done the same by likening this situation to N@zi Germany and Hitler. Whether for comedic effect or not, i'm not sure.
posted on 15/9/25
I wouldn't be surprised if Musk and Robertson (and whatever other stakeholders) are having talks this week based on the success of the march. It was almost a test the waters event to test the support for him. The removal of Starmer with a general election being called could be achievable pretty soon now.
posted on 15/9/25
No Love - and that will create the perfect conditions for Farage to be replaced by Tommy.
posted on 15/9/25
comment by manutdwinners (U23288)
posted 1 minute ago
No Love - and that will create the perfect conditions for Farage to be replaced by Tommy.
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If that were to happen we'd be facked and finished.
posted on 15/9/25
I know what he stands for and i do not back him.
My point is that not all 150,000 people all stand for the same thing.
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AGAIN, it doesn't matter that they don't all stand for the same thing. What matters is what Tommy Robertson and his lot stand for. That is what they are giving support for, whether it is their intention or not.
It was the same with Hitler. The comparison is a good one.
If Tommy Roberston came out and his 3 policies were to obliterate the muslims, get rid of wokeness, and lower energy bills, would you have the same excuses for people voting for him because they were angry about their energy bills?
You show support for the founder of the EDL, you get the founder of the EDL, it doesn't matter your reasons for supporting him. It's the outcome that is important.
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