You have to wonder what Musk's agenda is here. He's basically Goebbels 2.0. He has an increasingly far right wing agenda and he's armed with the most sophisticated propaganda machine ever built. He can make those algorithms do what they want. There's so much more hate on Twitter than there ever was before. What's his reasoning? Why is he getting involved in British politics? He's fast becoming one of the most dangerous men on the planet for me.
No Love - we already are. Tommy as PM within 5 years is not impossible. What a rise though.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
i acknowledge that it is dangerously being gathered under a banner held by those with more malevolent intentions
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This should be more than an acknowledgement. It should be a large concern. Do I need to continue the Hitler analogies or are you getting it yet?
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Hitler is the most extreme of extreme examples.
I am concerned with the direction of travel but to suggest that Hitlers Germany is the logical end, or even relevant here, is way off the mark. Not helpful...and tbh not easy to identify when you are doing your usual left-field humour to make a point or making a serious point.
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So what do you think is the logical end?
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Its not a fascist dictatorship
Anyone thinking Reform coming to power (which will be the logical end if the Government fails to act across a wide range of issues) will be the equivalent to Hitlers N@zi party coming to power really is lacking a few braincells.
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IF reform get in and cannot fulfill their multiple empty promises, the immediate deportations etc and their base revolt, what then?
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Yeah a bit like the Labour Party promises!
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 minutes ago
No one is going to like me saying this but I think a lot of this is down to the fall of the west in a financial sense. No one has money, prospects are low, the NHS is at breaking point, US tarifs have crippled trade and the dominance of the west is now being replaced by the likes of China, who are looking far more prosperous. When you start to lose hope, radical desperate decisions are made. People either drift far right or far left as an act of either desperation or protest. I don't think we'd be seeing anywhere near as much division and hate if prospects and finances were good for the common man. I just think at the end of the day it comes down to a lack of education. Rather than think rationally, as things become more desperate, they're looking for someone or something to blame. It's misguided though. They think things weren't as good as they used to be and immigration is up - oh, it must be them to blame. It's completely absurd.
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Yea, this is the key issue, i think... AI and climate change are gonna add a lot more fuel to that fire too.
This makes it all the more laughable seeing the world's richest man up on screen, to huge applause.. But of course, that is by design... Divide and conquer.
Good point. Can someone put this into AI and see what it thinks the outcome will be? Musk PM cos he isn't allowed to be US president? What then? Please use as much info as possible to get the most informed result. Need to go to the gym so if someone can do that, it would be appreciated.
We're all heading in a very Handmaid's Tale direction. Hate, intolerance, misogyny and a growing interest in religion. It's truly dark.
Another classic Zionist tactic. By enlisting Tommy Robinson aka Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. They have found someone who speaks to inner racist amoung white folk in this country.
Divide and rule. Blame the muslims whilst they commit genocide and ethnic cleansing. Distract the masses into believing muslims are to blame for everything.
Now of course, illegal immigration is a problem but it is not as bad as it is made out and should not be dominating the news agenda as much as it is right now.
The zionist barstewards are very clever.
When you control the media, you control sheep and the agenda. Zionism.
The thread is getting funny now. I’m reading TR could be PM
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 3 seconds ago
The thread is getting funny now. I’m reading TR could be PM
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Well Farage is guaranteed. Or whoever is the Reform leader at the next election...
Back in 2016 people were saying Farage couldn’t be PM. Now he’s very likely to be. Things change.
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 28 minutes ago
I know what he stands for and i do not back him.
My point is that not all 150,000 people all stand for the same thing.
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AGAIN, it doesn't matter that they don't all stand for the same thing. What matters is what Tommy Robertson and his lot stand for. That is what they are giving support for, whether it is their intention or not.
It was the same with Hitler. The comparison is a good one.
If Tommy Roberston came out and his 3 policies were to obliterate the muslims, get rid of wokeness, and lower energy bills, would you have the same excuses for people voting for him because they were angry about their energy bills?
You show support for the founder of the EDL, you get the founder of the EDL, it doesn't matter your reasons for supporting him. It's the outcome that is important.
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This is what i mean by binary thinking.
They were at the march thus all massive racists.
Its like saying i support a certain party and endorse every one of their polices, view and actions.
I reject that logic. I get that that is how it may appear, but that is to look through a very simple lens.
Anyone at the march is either a massive racist or a supporter of massive racists.
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 11 minutes ago
The thread is getting funny now. I’m reading TR could be PM
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You see. Project Fear works for both sides.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 28 minutes ago
I know what he stands for and i do not back him.
My point is that not all 150,000 people all stand for the same thing.
--------------------------------------------
AGAIN, it doesn't matter that they don't all stand for the same thing. What matters is what Tommy Robertson and his lot stand for. That is what they are giving support for, whether it is their intention or not.
It was the same with Hitler. The comparison is a good one.
If Tommy Roberston came out and his 3 policies were to obliterate the muslims, get rid of wokeness, and lower energy bills, would you have the same excuses for people voting for him because they were angry about their energy bills?
You show support for the founder of the EDL, you get the founder of the EDL, it doesn't matter your reasons for supporting him. It's the outcome that is important.
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This is what i mean by binary thinking.
They were at the march thus all massive racists.
Its like saying i support a certain party and endorse every one of their polices, view and actions.
I reject that logic. I get that that is how it may appear, but that is to look through a very simple lens.
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I didn't say they are massive racists. That's the point. I am saying Tommy Robertson is and that's the thing that matters and they are enabling him through attending these marches, whatever their personal reasons. Am I not explaining this very well? Does it make sense to anyone else?
"This is what i mean by binary thinking.
They were at the march thus all massive racists."
Literally no.one has said this either
Dev is essentially arguing with himself at this point
The thing is, people have nowhere to go with genuine concerns without being labelled racist by the very focal and powerful minority.
So they gravitate to something like this.
I didn't think it was possible, but I think something monumental is going to happen at the next election.
Conservatives are basically irrelevant and Labour are showing levels of incompetence I didn't think possible.
We are in for a rough 3-4 years and then god only knows what is going to happen.
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 28 minutes ago
I know what he stands for and i do not back him.
My point is that not all 150,000 people all stand for the same thing.
--------------------------------------------
AGAIN, it doesn't matter that they don't all stand for the same thing. What matters is what Tommy Robertson and his lot stand for. That is what they are giving support for, whether it is their intention or not.
It was the same with Hitler. The comparison is a good one.
If Tommy Roberston came out and his 3 policies were to obliterate the muslims, get rid of wokeness, and lower energy bills, would you have the same excuses for people voting for him because they were angry about their energy bills?
You show support for the founder of the EDL, you get the founder of the EDL, it doesn't matter your reasons for supporting him. It's the outcome that is important.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is what i mean by binary thinking.
They were at the march thus all massive racists.
Its like saying i support a certain party and endorse every one of their polices, view and actions.
I reject that logic. I get that that is how it may appear, but that is to look through a very simple lens.
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I didn't say they are massive racists. That's the point. I am saying Tommy Robertson is and that's the thing that matters and they are enabling him through attending these marches, whatever their personal reasons. Am I not explaining this very well? Does it make sense to anyone else?
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I do get you.
I get how being there you are at least notionally supporting him and it is not a good look.
But as i have said, and this is from seeing quite a bit of the news coverage, different interviews with a big range of views and issues expressed, being there is not the same as holding some far right, fascist views or, it if came to it, voting for that if it were an option.
You made a link to the end game being a version of Hitlers Germany, some sort of fascist dictatorship, and others have genuinely suggested that TF could come to power.
I am just saying that that is not the end game many will have had in their mind. Just because they were there doesnt mean they want someone like TF in a position of power or share his strong views. One can hold genuine, moderate concerns about free speech, immigration and and asylum seekers in this country without being anything like a TF supporter, but thats not what some want to hear and reject the notion of any nuance. If you were there you were my enemy, kind of attitude.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 28 minutes ago
I know what he stands for and i do not back him.
My point is that not all 150,000 people all stand for the same thing.
--------------------------------------------
AGAIN, it doesn't matter that they don't all stand for the same thing. What matters is what Tommy Robertson and his lot stand for. That is what they are giving support for, whether it is their intention or not.
It was the same with Hitler. The comparison is a good one.
If Tommy Roberston came out and his 3 policies were to obliterate the muslims, get rid of wokeness, and lower energy bills, would you have the same excuses for people voting for him because they were angry about their energy bills?
You show support for the founder of the EDL, you get the founder of the EDL, it doesn't matter your reasons for supporting him. It's the outcome that is important.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is what i mean by binary thinking.
They were at the march thus all massive racists.
Its like saying i support a certain party and endorse every one of their polices, view and actions.
I reject that logic. I get that that is how it may appear, but that is to look through a very simple lens.
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I'm sure Tommy Robinson is going round telling people that there were 150,000 people at his protest but most of them don't support him and is in no way emboldened.
comment by Bored As Fudge Again (U21998)
posted 9 minutes ago
The thing is, people have nowhere to go with genuine concerns without being labelled racist by the very focal and powerful minority.
So they gravitate to something like this.
I didn't think it was possible, but I think something monumental is going to happen at the next election.
Conservatives are basically irrelevant and Labour are showing levels of incompetence I didn't think possible.
We are in for a rough 3-4 years and then god only knows what is going to happen.
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Exactly right
Which is why I urge either main party to not ignore the messages that are being sent, bin them all off as far right wing racists, but actually acknowledge the issues. Try and engage with the population in a way that frames these particularly issues in the right context, that being that they are not the cause of all our problems but they are a symptom of them, and a symptom of failed polices over years. An honest conversation about the issues we face and how some of the solutions will come through immigration, but then a plan to show how we can make that work best for the country.
Right now, there is no honesty on any side, there is no real debate, just name calling and certainly no plan for the last 5 years or so. People are sick of this. They want change, they voted for change and everything has got worse. Its desperate and some are making gains out of the malcontent.
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 8 minutes ago
TF?
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TR. Fat fingers! Not Thomas Frank
I'm not sure if I truly think that there is a possibility of Farage becoming PM, or it is just a 'teenage phase' that the UK is going through.
Having BJ as PM was ridiculous to me at the time, Trump took it further, and now Farage would be another level.
It really is a sad indictment of the other parties, especially as they are not really tackling what Reform are saying, but just trying to almost be milder versions of them.
And whilst Tommy R isn't Reform, they are the closest to his way of thinking
comment by Bored As Fudge Again (U21998)
posted 21 minutes ago
The thing is, people have nowhere to go with genuine concerns without being labelled racist by the very focal and powerful minority.
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That's a nonsense...
People can have a completely rational stance against immigration and be welcomed by any of the main parties. Labour use immigration as a key topic almost as much as the tories. I'm empathetic to people who have a genuine and thought out issue with it.
There are problems with mass immigration, failure to integrate etc.
These concerns are valid AND are listened to and acted upon by the current and previous governments.
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posted on 15/9/25
You have to wonder what Musk's agenda is here. He's basically Goebbels 2.0. He has an increasingly far right wing agenda and he's armed with the most sophisticated propaganda machine ever built. He can make those algorithms do what they want. There's so much more hate on Twitter than there ever was before. What's his reasoning? Why is he getting involved in British politics? He's fast becoming one of the most dangerous men on the planet for me.
posted on 15/9/25
No Love - we already are. Tommy as PM within 5 years is not impossible. What a rise though.
posted on 15/9/25
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
i acknowledge that it is dangerously being gathered under a banner held by those with more malevolent intentions
------------------------------------------
This should be more than an acknowledgement. It should be a large concern. Do I need to continue the Hitler analogies or are you getting it yet?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hitler is the most extreme of extreme examples.
I am concerned with the direction of travel but to suggest that Hitlers Germany is the logical end, or even relevant here, is way off the mark. Not helpful...and tbh not easy to identify when you are doing your usual left-field humour to make a point or making a serious point.
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So what do you think is the logical end?
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Its not a fascist dictatorship
Anyone thinking Reform coming to power (which will be the logical end if the Government fails to act across a wide range of issues) will be the equivalent to Hitlers N@zi party coming to power really is lacking a few braincells.
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IF reform get in and cannot fulfill their multiple empty promises, the immediate deportations etc and their base revolt, what then?
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Yeah a bit like the Labour Party promises!
posted on 15/9/25
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 minutes ago
No one is going to like me saying this but I think a lot of this is down to the fall of the west in a financial sense. No one has money, prospects are low, the NHS is at breaking point, US tarifs have crippled trade and the dominance of the west is now being replaced by the likes of China, who are looking far more prosperous. When you start to lose hope, radical desperate decisions are made. People either drift far right or far left as an act of either desperation or protest. I don't think we'd be seeing anywhere near as much division and hate if prospects and finances were good for the common man. I just think at the end of the day it comes down to a lack of education. Rather than think rationally, as things become more desperate, they're looking for someone or something to blame. It's misguided though. They think things weren't as good as they used to be and immigration is up - oh, it must be them to blame. It's completely absurd.
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Yea, this is the key issue, i think... AI and climate change are gonna add a lot more fuel to that fire too.
This makes it all the more laughable seeing the world's richest man up on screen, to huge applause.. But of course, that is by design... Divide and conquer.
posted on 15/9/25
Good point. Can someone put this into AI and see what it thinks the outcome will be? Musk PM cos he isn't allowed to be US president? What then? Please use as much info as possible to get the most informed result. Need to go to the gym so if someone can do that, it would be appreciated.
posted on 15/9/25
We're all heading in a very Handmaid's Tale direction. Hate, intolerance, misogyny and a growing interest in religion. It's truly dark.
posted on 15/9/25
Another classic Zionist tactic. By enlisting Tommy Robinson aka Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. They have found someone who speaks to inner racist amoung white folk in this country.
Divide and rule. Blame the muslims whilst they commit genocide and ethnic cleansing. Distract the masses into believing muslims are to blame for everything.
Now of course, illegal immigration is a problem but it is not as bad as it is made out and should not be dominating the news agenda as much as it is right now.
The zionist barstewards are very clever.
posted on 15/9/25
When you control the media, you control sheep and the agenda. Zionism.
posted on 15/9/25
The thread is getting funny now. I’m reading TR could be PM
posted on 15/9/25
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 3 seconds ago
The thread is getting funny now. I’m reading TR could be PM
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Well Farage is guaranteed. Or whoever is the Reform leader at the next election...
posted on 15/9/25
Back in 2016 people were saying Farage couldn’t be PM. Now he’s very likely to be. Things change.
posted on 15/9/25
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 28 minutes ago
I know what he stands for and i do not back him.
My point is that not all 150,000 people all stand for the same thing.
--------------------------------------------
AGAIN, it doesn't matter that they don't all stand for the same thing. What matters is what Tommy Robertson and his lot stand for. That is what they are giving support for, whether it is their intention or not.
It was the same with Hitler. The comparison is a good one.
If Tommy Roberston came out and his 3 policies were to obliterate the muslims, get rid of wokeness, and lower energy bills, would you have the same excuses for people voting for him because they were angry about their energy bills?
You show support for the founder of the EDL, you get the founder of the EDL, it doesn't matter your reasons for supporting him. It's the outcome that is important.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is what i mean by binary thinking.
They were at the march thus all massive racists.
Its like saying i support a certain party and endorse every one of their polices, view and actions.
I reject that logic. I get that that is how it may appear, but that is to look through a very simple lens.
posted on 15/9/25
Anyone at the march is either a massive racist or a supporter of massive racists.
posted on 15/9/25
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 11 minutes ago
The thread is getting funny now. I’m reading TR could be PM
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You see. Project Fear works for both sides.
posted on 15/9/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 28 minutes ago
I know what he stands for and i do not back him.
My point is that not all 150,000 people all stand for the same thing.
--------------------------------------------
AGAIN, it doesn't matter that they don't all stand for the same thing. What matters is what Tommy Robertson and his lot stand for. That is what they are giving support for, whether it is their intention or not.
It was the same with Hitler. The comparison is a good one.
If Tommy Roberston came out and his 3 policies were to obliterate the muslims, get rid of wokeness, and lower energy bills, would you have the same excuses for people voting for him because they were angry about their energy bills?
You show support for the founder of the EDL, you get the founder of the EDL, it doesn't matter your reasons for supporting him. It's the outcome that is important.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is what i mean by binary thinking.
They were at the march thus all massive racists.
Its like saying i support a certain party and endorse every one of their polices, view and actions.
I reject that logic. I get that that is how it may appear, but that is to look through a very simple lens.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I didn't say they are massive racists. That's the point. I am saying Tommy Robertson is and that's the thing that matters and they are enabling him through attending these marches, whatever their personal reasons. Am I not explaining this very well? Does it make sense to anyone else?
posted on 15/9/25
"This is what i mean by binary thinking.
They were at the march thus all massive racists."
Literally no.one has said this either
Dev is essentially arguing with himself at this point
posted on 15/9/25
The thing is, people have nowhere to go with genuine concerns without being labelled racist by the very focal and powerful minority.
So they gravitate to something like this.
I didn't think it was possible, but I think something monumental is going to happen at the next election.
Conservatives are basically irrelevant and Labour are showing levels of incompetence I didn't think possible.
We are in for a rough 3-4 years and then god only knows what is going to happen.
posted on 15/9/25
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 28 minutes ago
I know what he stands for and i do not back him.
My point is that not all 150,000 people all stand for the same thing.
--------------------------------------------
AGAIN, it doesn't matter that they don't all stand for the same thing. What matters is what Tommy Robertson and his lot stand for. That is what they are giving support for, whether it is their intention or not.
It was the same with Hitler. The comparison is a good one.
If Tommy Roberston came out and his 3 policies were to obliterate the muslims, get rid of wokeness, and lower energy bills, would you have the same excuses for people voting for him because they were angry about their energy bills?
You show support for the founder of the EDL, you get the founder of the EDL, it doesn't matter your reasons for supporting him. It's the outcome that is important.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is what i mean by binary thinking.
They were at the march thus all massive racists.
Its like saying i support a certain party and endorse every one of their polices, view and actions.
I reject that logic. I get that that is how it may appear, but that is to look through a very simple lens.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I didn't say they are massive racists. That's the point. I am saying Tommy Robertson is and that's the thing that matters and they are enabling him through attending these marches, whatever their personal reasons. Am I not explaining this very well? Does it make sense to anyone else?
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I do get you.
I get how being there you are at least notionally supporting him and it is not a good look.
But as i have said, and this is from seeing quite a bit of the news coverage, different interviews with a big range of views and issues expressed, being there is not the same as holding some far right, fascist views or, it if came to it, voting for that if it were an option.
You made a link to the end game being a version of Hitlers Germany, some sort of fascist dictatorship, and others have genuinely suggested that TF could come to power.
I am just saying that that is not the end game many will have had in their mind. Just because they were there doesnt mean they want someone like TF in a position of power or share his strong views. One can hold genuine, moderate concerns about free speech, immigration and and asylum seekers in this country without being anything like a TF supporter, but thats not what some want to hear and reject the notion of any nuance. If you were there you were my enemy, kind of attitude.
posted on 15/9/25
TF?
posted on 15/9/25
Tommy Farage
posted on 15/9/25
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 28 minutes ago
I know what he stands for and i do not back him.
My point is that not all 150,000 people all stand for the same thing.
--------------------------------------------
AGAIN, it doesn't matter that they don't all stand for the same thing. What matters is what Tommy Robertson and his lot stand for. That is what they are giving support for, whether it is their intention or not.
It was the same with Hitler. The comparison is a good one.
If Tommy Roberston came out and his 3 policies were to obliterate the muslims, get rid of wokeness, and lower energy bills, would you have the same excuses for people voting for him because they were angry about their energy bills?
You show support for the founder of the EDL, you get the founder of the EDL, it doesn't matter your reasons for supporting him. It's the outcome that is important.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is what i mean by binary thinking.
They were at the march thus all massive racists.
Its like saying i support a certain party and endorse every one of their polices, view and actions.
I reject that logic. I get that that is how it may appear, but that is to look through a very simple lens.
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I'm sure Tommy Robinson is going round telling people that there were 150,000 people at his protest but most of them don't support him and is in no way emboldened.
posted on 15/9/25
comment by Bored As Fudge Again (U21998)
posted 9 minutes ago
The thing is, people have nowhere to go with genuine concerns without being labelled racist by the very focal and powerful minority.
So they gravitate to something like this.
I didn't think it was possible, but I think something monumental is going to happen at the next election.
Conservatives are basically irrelevant and Labour are showing levels of incompetence I didn't think possible.
We are in for a rough 3-4 years and then god only knows what is going to happen.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly right
Which is why I urge either main party to not ignore the messages that are being sent, bin them all off as far right wing racists, but actually acknowledge the issues. Try and engage with the population in a way that frames these particularly issues in the right context, that being that they are not the cause of all our problems but they are a symptom of them, and a symptom of failed polices over years. An honest conversation about the issues we face and how some of the solutions will come through immigration, but then a plan to show how we can make that work best for the country.
Right now, there is no honesty on any side, there is no real debate, just name calling and certainly no plan for the last 5 years or so. People are sick of this. They want change, they voted for change and everything has got worse. Its desperate and some are making gains out of the malcontent.
posted on 15/9/25
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 8 minutes ago
TF?
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TR. Fat fingers! Not Thomas Frank
posted on 15/9/25
I'm not sure if I truly think that there is a possibility of Farage becoming PM, or it is just a 'teenage phase' that the UK is going through.
Having BJ as PM was ridiculous to me at the time, Trump took it further, and now Farage would be another level.
It really is a sad indictment of the other parties, especially as they are not really tackling what Reform are saying, but just trying to almost be milder versions of them.
And whilst Tommy R isn't Reform, they are the closest to his way of thinking
posted on 15/9/25
comment by Bored As Fudge Again (U21998)
posted 21 minutes ago
The thing is, people have nowhere to go with genuine concerns without being labelled racist by the very focal and powerful minority.
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That's a nonsense...
People can have a completely rational stance against immigration and be welcomed by any of the main parties. Labour use immigration as a key topic almost as much as the tories. I'm empathetic to people who have a genuine and thought out issue with it.
There are problems with mass immigration, failure to integrate etc.
These concerns are valid AND are listened to and acted upon by the current and previous governments.
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