comment by manutdwinners (U23288)
posted 2 hours, 30 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/12/israeli-ex-commander-confirms-palestinian-casualties-are-more-than-200000
IDF confirming more than 200k dead in Gaza. How much of the population will left when this ends? Is this the goal of the west?
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It's a disgrace and the far right don't like people protesting about a Genocide yet the same people were more then likely behind Ukraine.
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
do you think that Israel are taking their genuine concerns too far? Or their actions are justified due to their genuine concerns? I heard that one of the Israeli gunmen who pulled the trigger to kill kids, actually thought he was pulling the trigger to unlock cheaper energy bills in the cost of living crisis. He had no idea that there was a genocide going on. Just wanted cheaper bills.
People just have genuine concerns and not everyone there committing genocide is there for the same reasons.
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You (or someone, I think it was you) made this point very effectively previously.
This doesn't work though. Imo anyway.
Whilst I agree that neither is defensible, there's a difference between voting for/supporting a party run by a racist for a non-racist reason, and killing children for a reason other than that you just enjoy killing children.
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 4 hours, 30 minutes ago
Funny how quiet Devonshire has gone since the video of that woman spouting her hate was posted...
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He is conspicuously quiet today
comment by Snooker_49 (U10665)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by manutdwinners (U23288)
posted 2 hours, 30 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/12/israeli-ex-commander-confirms-palestinian-casualties-are-more-than-200000
IDF confirming more than 200k dead in Gaza. How much of the population will left when this ends? Is this the goal of the west?
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It's a disgrace and the far right don't like people protesting about a Genocide yet the same people were more then likely behind Ukraine.
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Obviously only a minority, but Ukraine has strong ties with the far right, so very much more than likely.
Two of Ukraine's Presidents in the 21st century have made Narrsees Hero of Ukraine.
And of course the current Israeli government is far right.
But yes, whilst not a surprise, absolutely a disgrace.
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
do you think that Israel are taking their genuine concerns too far? Or their actions are justified due to their genuine concerns? I heard that one of the Israeli gunmen who pulled the trigger to kill kids, actually thought he was pulling the trigger to unlock cheaper energy bills in the cost of living crisis. He had no idea that there was a genocide going on. Just wanted cheaper bills.
People just have genuine concerns and not everyone there committing genocide is there for the same reasons.
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You (or someone, I think it was you) made this point very effectively previously.
This doesn't work though. Imo anyway.
Whilst I agree that neither is defensible, there's a difference between voting for/supporting a party run by a racist for a non-racist reason, and killing children for a reason other than that you just enjoy killing children.
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It does work. It was that video posted that made me realise that these people must all know what is going on but are still there. You'd surely leave after seeing that woman's speech if you were just there to protest the price of dishwasher tablets?
..with their genuine concerns.
Could create a great few sketch videos showing people claiming that they are not racist, just have genuine concern, then for each clip it shows them doing something more and more extreme under that guise.
Can start it with attending the Tommy Robertson rally and then work it up to gassing. With each stage in between as well.
Maybe even just one of those political comic strip things.
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
do you think that Israel are taking their genuine concerns too far? Or their actions are justified due to their genuine concerns? I heard that one of the Israeli gunmen who pulled the trigger to kill kids, actually thought he was pulling the trigger to unlock cheaper energy bills in the cost of living crisis. He had no idea that there was a genocide going on. Just wanted cheaper bills.
People just have genuine concerns and not everyone there committing genocide is there for the same reasons.
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You (or someone, I think it was you) made this point very effectively previously.
This doesn't work though. Imo anyway.
Whilst I agree that neither is defensible, there's a difference between voting for/supporting a party run by a racist for a non-racist reason, and killing children for a reason other than that you just enjoy killing children.
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It does work. It was that video posted that made me realise that these people must all know what is going on but are still there. You'd surely leave after seeing that woman's speech if you were just there to protest the price of dishwasher tablets?
..with their genuine concerns.
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I've not seen the video but I do get your point and agree with you. But hanging around at a rally you went to with good intentions, after you've seen someone who's part of it giving a racist rant (or whatever the woman said/did in the video) isn't the same as shooting children. It's not comparable, imo. Hanging around at a racist rally isn't the same as shooting children and it isn't the same as gassing people.
And personally I don't think this would make a funny or appropriate comedy sketch.
But hey. I agree with you that anyone (if genuinely any) who went to support Robinson's rally innocently, should have left once the organisation's racist intent became reasonably apparent, and that their excuse for innocently being there expired when they chose not to.
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
do you think that Israel are taking their genuine concerns too far? Or their actions are justified due to their genuine concerns? I heard that one of the Israeli gunmen who pulled the trigger to kill kids, actually thought he was pulling the trigger to unlock cheaper energy bills in the cost of living crisis. He had no idea that there was a genocide going on. Just wanted cheaper bills.
People just have genuine concerns and not everyone there committing genocide is there for the same reasons.
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You (or someone, I think it was you) made this point very effectively previously.
This doesn't work though. Imo anyway.
Whilst I agree that neither is defensible, there's a difference between voting for/supporting a party run by a racist for a non-racist reason, and killing children for a reason other than that you just enjoy killing children.
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It does work. It was that video posted that made me realise that these people must all know what is going on but are still there. You'd surely leave after seeing that woman's speech if you were just there to protest the price of dishwasher tablets?
..with their genuine concerns.
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I've not seen the video but I do get your point and agree with you. But hanging around at a rally you went to with good intentions, after you've seen someone who's part of it giving a racist rant (or whatever the woman said/did in the video) isn't the same as shooting children. It's not comparable, imo. Hanging around at a racist rally isn't the same as shooting children and it isn't the same as gassing people.
And personally I don't think this would make a funny or appropriate comedy sketch.
But hey. I agree with you that anyone (if genuinely any) who went to support Robinson's rally innocently, should have left once the organisation's racist intent became reasonably apparent, and that their excuse for innocently being there expired when they chose not to.
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It would be a FANTASTIC idea for a political comic strip. Even with a parallel strip with those attending Hitler's early marches, because they wanted to be proud of being German. And progressing from there.
Or are you saying there is something wrong with being proud to be British/German???
Interesting listening to last nights ep of the NewsAgents.
"I'm here because Britain is becoming more like North Korea"
"I'm here because of what happened to Charlie Kirk"
"I'm here because immigrants are 70% more likely to commit SA than white people"
All legitimate concerns apparently.
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
do you think that Israel are taking their genuine concerns too far? Or their actions are justified due to their genuine concerns? I heard that one of the Israeli gunmen who pulled the trigger to kill kids, actually thought he was pulling the trigger to unlock cheaper energy bills in the cost of living crisis. He had no idea that there was a genocide going on. Just wanted cheaper bills.
People just have genuine concerns and not everyone there committing genocide is there for the same reasons.
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You (or someone, I think it was you) made this point very effectively previously.
This doesn't work though. Imo anyway.
Whilst I agree that neither is defensible, there's a difference between voting for/supporting a party run by a racist for a non-racist reason, and killing children for a reason other than that you just enjoy killing children.
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It does work. It was that video posted that made me realise that these people must all know what is going on but are still there. You'd surely leave after seeing that woman's speech if you were just there to protest the price of dishwasher tablets?
..with their genuine concerns.
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I've not seen the video but I do get your point and agree with you. But hanging around at a rally you went to with good intentions, after you've seen someone who's part of it giving a racist rant (or whatever the woman said/did in the video) isn't the same as shooting children. It's not comparable, imo. Hanging around at a racist rally isn't the same as shooting children and it isn't the same as gassing people.
And personally I don't think this would make a funny or appropriate comedy sketch.
But hey. I agree with you that anyone (if genuinely any) who went to support Robinson's rally innocently, should have left once the organisation's racist intent became reasonably apparent, and that their excuse for innocently being there expired when they chose not to.
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It would be a FANTASTIC idea for a political comic strip. Even with a parallel strip with those attending Hitler's early marches, because they wanted to be proud of being German. And progressing from there.
Or are you saying there is something wrong with being proud to be British/German???
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I don't much like the direction of this exchange.
I think I'd probably have more 'sympathy' though with someone supporting a German nationalist movement in the early 30s, than I would someone supporting a racist British nationalist movement today.
I'm not sure whether you have time bearing in mind all your comedy script writing about children being shot etc, but Mephisto is a very interesting (fictional) insight into that period in Germany and the political influences on individuals and on the country. The 72 film Cabaret (also fictional) gives a little bit of insight as well.
To be clear, as ever, it is not mocking the victims of these tragedies, it is mocking those who are trying to make further events happen. Like when paedos/Jimmy Saville are mocked, it is not at the expense of their victims, it's at their expense.
People joining marches of EDL founder Tommy Robertson, featuring anti Muslim speeches, should definitely be mocked and it is entirely appropriate and even necessary to make comparisons with other events around the world and throughout history.
These people deserved to be MOCKED, not saying things like "they just have legitimate concerns" to defend them being there, when you know fine well what the organiser stands for and wants to achieve.
They need to be mocked and belittled. Yes, they are stupid and these marches are entirely inappropriate places for addressing their so called innocent concerns. Fack them.
Even just the lack of self awareness associated with attending one of these marches, if you are at all associated with anyone intelligent or respectable. Would you want to see your dad there, or your work colleague? Your son? Would you not think what the faack are they doing at a Tommy Robertson rally? I am not sure I would be able to show my face at work or around family or friends.
But if you aren't are a respectable person, or intelligent, then I can see why you could go without consequence to your day to day life.
This lack of intelligence isn't me calling them stupid. I am just saying they are not not stupid.
Their lack of intelligence should continue to be highlighted as the main reason for them attending, for many reasons.
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 13 minutes ago
To be clear, as ever, it is not mocking the victims of these tragedies, it is mocking those who are trying to make further events happen. Like when paedos/Jimmy Saville are mocked, it is not at the expense of their victims, it's at their expense.
People joining marches of EDL founder Tommy Robertson, featuring anti Muslim speeches, should definitely be mocked and it is entirely appropriate and even necessary to make comparisons with other events around the world and throughout history.
These people deserved to be MOCKED, not saying things like "they just have legitimate concerns" to defend them being there, when you know fine well what the organiser stands for and wants to achieve.
They need to be mocked and belittled. Yes, they are stupid and these marches are entirely inappropriate places for addressing their so called innocent concerns. Fack them.
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comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 13 minutes ago
To be clear, as ever, it is not mocking the victims of these tragedies, it is mocking those who are trying to make further events happen. Like when paedos/Jimmy Saville are mocked, it is not at the expense of their victims, it's at their expense.
People joining marches of EDL founder Tommy Robertson, featuring anti Muslim speeches, should definitely be mocked and it is entirely appropriate and even necessary to make comparisons with other events around the world and throughout history.
These people deserved to be MOCKED, not saying things like "they just have legitimate concerns" to defend them being there, when you know fine well what the organiser stands for and wants to achieve.
They need to be mocked and belittled. Yes, they are stupid and these marches are entirely inappropriate places for addressing their so called innocent concerns. Fack them.
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it sounds like you feel that you want to create comedy sketches about children being shot and people being gassed, for a legitimate reason.
I think I'd probably have more 'sympathy' though with someone supporting a German nationalist movement in the early 30s, than I would someone supporting a racist British nationalist movement today.
Why?
German nationalist movement in the 30s was as racist as you can get
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 13 minutes ago
To be clear, as ever, it is not mocking the victims of these tragedies, it is mocking those who are trying to make further events happen. Like when paedos/Jimmy Saville are mocked, it is not at the expense of their victims, it's at their expense.
People joining marches of EDL founder Tommy Robertson, featuring anti Muslim speeches, should definitely be mocked and it is entirely appropriate and even necessary to make comparisons with other events around the world and throughout history.
These people deserved to be MOCKED, not saying things like "they just have legitimate concerns" to defend them being there, when you know fine well what the organiser stands for and wants to achieve.
They need to be mocked and belittled. Yes, they are stupid and these marches are entirely inappropriate places for addressing their so called innocent concerns. Fack them.
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it sounds like you feel that you want to create comedy sketches about children being shot and people being gassed, for a legitimate reason.
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I just have legitimate concerns, that's all.
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 13 minutes ago
To be clear, as ever, it is not mocking the victims of these tragedies, it is mocking those who are trying to make further events happen. Like when paedos/Jimmy Saville are mocked, it is not at the expense of their victims, it's at their expense.
People joining marches of EDL founder Tommy Robertson, featuring anti Muslim speeches, should definitely be mocked and it is entirely appropriate and even necessary to make comparisons with other events around the world and throughout history.
These people deserved to be MOCKED, not saying things like "they just have legitimate concerns" to defend them being there, when you know fine well what the organiser stands for and wants to achieve.
They need to be mocked and belittled. Yes, they are stupid and these marches are entirely inappropriate places for addressing their so called innocent concerns. Fack them.
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it sounds like you feel that you want to create comedy sketches about children being shot and people being gassed, for a legitimate reason.
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I just have legitimate concerns, that's all.
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comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 3 minutes ago
I think I'd probably have more 'sympathy' though with someone supporting a German nationalist movement in the early 30s, than I would someone supporting a racist British nationalist movement today.
Why?
German nationalist movement in the 30s was as racist as you can get
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I was going to try and give my reasoning, but it's a bit pointless. Don't mean to be rude at all, but I have no motivation to take the conversation further. It's not really of particular interest to me, was just thinking out loud.
I would recommend Mephisto though. Cracking movie about that period.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 13 minutes ago
To be clear, as ever, it is not mocking the victims of these tragedies, it is mocking those who are trying to make further events happen. Like when paedos/Jimmy Saville are mocked, it is not at the expense of their victims, it's at their expense.
People joining marches of EDL founder Tommy Robertson, featuring anti Muslim speeches, should definitely be mocked and it is entirely appropriate and even necessary to make comparisons with other events around the world and throughout history.
These people deserved to be MOCKED, not saying things like "they just have legitimate concerns" to defend them being there, when you know fine well what the organiser stands for and wants to achieve.
They need to be mocked and belittled. Yes, they are stupid and these marches are entirely inappropriate places for addressing their so called innocent concerns. Fack them.
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it sounds like you feel that you want to create comedy sketches about children being shot and people being gassed, for a legitimate reason.
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I just have legitimate concerns, that's all.
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well that was my point.
you can't have legitimate concerns about going to a nationalist rally, but you can have legitimate reasons for wanting to make comedy sketches about children being shot. apparently. if you're intelligent anyway.
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 6 minutes ago
you can't have legitimate concerns about going to a nationalist rally, but you can have legitimate reasons for wanting to make comedy sketches about children being shot. apparently. if you're intelligent anyway.
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Yeah it's funny how it works eh? It's why comedians like Frankie Boyle were so good.
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 6 minutes ago
you can't have legitimate concerns about going to a nationalist rally, but you can have legitimate reasons for wanting to make comedy sketches about children being shot. apparently. if you're intelligent anyway.
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Yeah it's funny how it works eh? It's why comedians like Frankie Boyle were so good.
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You aren't motivated to do good comedy though, right? Your aim is to bring society together and make people less likely to be swayed by political messaging which has racist overtones? You aim to do this by randomly name dropping Jimmy Saville and writing jokes about people on Robinson's march gassing people and shooting children?
Incidentally on Boyle:
complaints were received about comments he made regarding English Olympic swimmer Rebecca Adlington on Mock the Week, saying that... her boyfriend must be attracted to her due to an aspect of her sexual behaviour. The BBC ruled that the jokes were indeed "humiliating" (2008)
This caused many to complain about the state that the BBC had come to, with Conservative MP David Davies calling the joke a "disgracefully foul comment". Boyle was eventually cleared of any misconduct by the BBC Trust, although they called the comment "sexist and ageist". (2008)
The audience member explained that her five-year-old daughter had the condition and strongly criticised Boyle's portrayal of people with Down's syndrome. Mencap spokesman Ismail Kaji said that the comments could be misconstrued and seen as "no different to bullying". (2010)
This was condemned by the End Violence Against Women Coalition. (2012)
This was deemed so distasteful that his entire six-minute performance was cut out of the broadcast version of the 3.5-hour show. (2013)
Conservative MP Caroline Nokes strongly criticised Boyle's use of rape as a subject for jokes (2022)
I must say, I read SOME of the jokes which these controversies relate to, and part of me is wanting to laugh, although the part of me that recognises that they're distasteful is my dominant feeling.
Whilst admittedly I've not seen the proposed sketches, I can't find anything at all funny though about depicting people being gassed to death or children being shot dead. Boyle's made some objectively morally objectionable if not deplorable jokes, but none of the controversies he'd been involved in seem to relate to jokes as extreme as what you're describing. I appreciate that people vent their feelings in different ways, but tbh they just strikes me on the face of it as sick.
I also don't see that the 'comedian' has ownership of whether or not such matters are "at the expense of (the) victims", or at least whether they are offensive to victims or their relatives.
I can't imagine bereaved parents of children who were shot dead by the IDF, seeing the funny side of portraying someone who attends a protest march as a child killer. I also can't see British Muslims or British Jews for that matter seeing the funny side of comedy sketches depicting people being gassed by racists.
I also just find the whole attitude in the posts above destructive tbh. I don't personally see this as being the antidote to the current problems in UK society, irrespective of how intelligent the person writing the jokes is.
Such intelligence would be more beneficially deployed and be more likely to have positive effect, by being more constructive and showing people a degree of understanding and being prepared to listen.
People are there to be persuaded, if they feel included, but hateful ridicule is probably only going to distance them further.
Just listen to these Israelis: https://youtu.be/nMyyVaiY4V8?si=HA3HtqbzhCDmLYoD
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 6 minutes ago
you can't have legitimate concerns about going to a nationalist rally, but you can have legitimate reasons for wanting to make comedy sketches about children being shot. apparently. if you're intelligent anyway.
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Yeah it's funny how it works eh? It's why comedians like Frankie Boyle were so good.
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You aren't motivated to do good comedy though, right? Your aim is to bring society together and make people less likely to be swayed by political messaging which has racist overtones? You aim to do this by randomly name dropping Jimmy Saville and writing jokes about people on Robinson's march gassing people and shooting children?
Incidentally on Boyle:
complaints were received about comments he made regarding English Olympic swimmer Rebecca Adlington on Mock the Week, saying that... her boyfriend must be attracted to her due to an aspect of her sexual behaviour. The BBC ruled that the jokes were indeed "humiliating" (2008)
This caused many to complain about the state that the BBC had come to, with Conservative MP David Davies calling the joke a "disgracefully foul comment". Boyle was eventually cleared of any misconduct by the BBC Trust, although they called the comment "sexist and ageist". (2008)
The audience member explained that her five-year-old daughter had the condition and strongly criticised Boyle's portrayal of people with Down's syndrome. Mencap spokesman Ismail Kaji said that the comments could be misconstrued and seen as "no different to bullying". (2010)
This was condemned by the End Violence Against Women Coalition. (2012)
This was deemed so distasteful that his entire six-minute performance was cut out of the broadcast version of the 3.5-hour show. (2013)
Conservative MP Caroline Nokes strongly criticised Boyle's use of rape as a subject for jokes (2022)
I must say, I read SOME of the jokes which these controversies relate to, and part of me is wanting to laugh, although the part of me that recognises that they're distasteful is my dominant feeling.
Whilst admittedly I've not seen the proposed sketches, I can't find anything at all funny though about depicting people being gassed to death or children being shot dead. Boyle's made some objectively morally objectionable if not deplorable jokes, but none of the controversies he'd been involved in seem to relate to jokes as extreme as what you're describing. I appreciate that people vent their feelings in different ways, but tbh they just strikes me on the face of it as sick.
I also don't see that the 'comedian' has ownership of whether or not such matters are "at the expense of (the) victims", or at least whether they are offensive to victims or their relatives.
I can't imagine bereaved parents of children who were shot dead by the IDF, seeing the funny side of portraying someone who attends a protest march as a child killer. I also can't see British Muslims or British Jews for that matter seeing the funny side of comedy sketches depicting people being gassed by racists.
I also just find the whole attitude in the posts above destructive tbh. I don't personally see this as being the antidote to the current problems in UK society, irrespective of how intelligent the person writing the jokes is.
Such intelligence would be more beneficially deployed and be more likely to have positive effect, by being more constructive and showing people a degree of understanding and being prepared to listen.
People are there to be persuaded, if they feel included, but hateful ridicule is probably only going to distance them further.
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Outraged by the description of a 17 year old joke. Now thats comedy!
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 2 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 6 minutes ago
you can't have legitimate concerns about going to a nationalist rally, but you can have legitimate reasons for wanting to make comedy sketches about children being shot. apparently. if you're intelligent anyway.
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Yeah it's funny how it works eh? It's why comedians like Frankie Boyle were so good.
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You aren't motivated to do good comedy though, right? Your aim is to bring society together and make people less likely to be swayed by political messaging which has racist overtones? You aim to do this by randomly name dropping Jimmy Saville and writing jokes about people on Robinson's march gassing people and shooting children?
Incidentally on Boyle:
complaints were received about comments he made regarding English Olympic swimmer Rebecca Adlington on Mock the Week, saying that... her boyfriend must be attracted to her due to an aspect of her sexual behaviour. The BBC ruled that the jokes were indeed "humiliating" (2008)
This caused many to complain about the state that the BBC had come to, with Conservative MP David Davies calling the joke a "disgracefully foul comment". Boyle was eventually cleared of any misconduct by the BBC Trust, although they called the comment "sexist and ageist". (2008)
The audience member explained that her five-year-old daughter had the condition and strongly criticised Boyle's portrayal of people with Down's syndrome. Mencap spokesman Ismail Kaji said that the comments could be misconstrued and seen as "no different to bullying". (2010)
This was condemned by the End Violence Against Women Coalition. (2012)
This was deemed so distasteful that his entire six-minute performance was cut out of the broadcast version of the 3.5-hour show. (2013)
Conservative MP Caroline Nokes strongly criticised Boyle's use of rape as a subject for jokes (2022)
I must say, I read SOME of the jokes which these controversies relate to, and part of me is wanting to laugh, although the part of me that recognises that they're distasteful is my dominant feeling.
Whilst admittedly I've not seen the proposed sketches, I can't find anything at all funny though about depicting people being gassed to death or children being shot dead. Boyle's made some objectively morally objectionable if not deplorable jokes, but none of the controversies he'd been involved in seem to relate to jokes as extreme as what you're describing. I appreciate that people vent their feelings in different ways, but tbh they just strikes me on the face of it as sick.
I also don't see that the 'comedian' has ownership of whether or not such matters are "at the expense of (the) victims", or at least whether they are offensive to victims or their relatives.
I can't imagine bereaved parents of children who were shot dead by the IDF, seeing the funny side of portraying someone who attends a protest march as a child killer. I also can't see British Muslims or British Jews for that matter seeing the funny side of comedy sketches depicting people being gassed by racists.
I also just find the whole attitude in the posts above destructive tbh. I don't personally see this as being the antidote to the current problems in UK society, irrespective of how intelligent the person writing the jokes is.
Such intelligence would be more beneficially deployed and be more likely to have positive effect, by being more constructive and showing people a degree of understanding and being prepared to listen.
People are there to be persuaded, if they feel included, but hateful ridicule is probably only going to distance them further.
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Cancel culture nonsense. I'm off to a march
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comment by manutdwinners (U23288)
posted 2 hours, 30 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/12/israeli-ex-commander-confirms-palestinian-casualties-are-more-than-200000
IDF confirming more than 200k dead in Gaza. How much of the population will left when this ends? Is this the goal of the west?
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It's a disgrace and the far right don't like people protesting about a Genocide yet the same people were more then likely behind Ukraine.
posted on 16/9/25
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
do you think that Israel are taking their genuine concerns too far? Or their actions are justified due to their genuine concerns? I heard that one of the Israeli gunmen who pulled the trigger to kill kids, actually thought he was pulling the trigger to unlock cheaper energy bills in the cost of living crisis. He had no idea that there was a genocide going on. Just wanted cheaper bills.
People just have genuine concerns and not everyone there committing genocide is there for the same reasons.
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You (or someone, I think it was you) made this point very effectively previously.
This doesn't work though. Imo anyway.
Whilst I agree that neither is defensible, there's a difference between voting for/supporting a party run by a racist for a non-racist reason, and killing children for a reason other than that you just enjoy killing children.
posted on 16/9/25
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 4 hours, 30 minutes ago
Funny how quiet Devonshire has gone since the video of that woman spouting her hate was posted...
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He is conspicuously quiet today
posted on 16/9/25
comment by Snooker_49 (U10665)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by manutdwinners (U23288)
posted 2 hours, 30 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/12/israeli-ex-commander-confirms-palestinian-casualties-are-more-than-200000
IDF confirming more than 200k dead in Gaza. How much of the population will left when this ends? Is this the goal of the west?
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It's a disgrace and the far right don't like people protesting about a Genocide yet the same people were more then likely behind Ukraine.
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Obviously only a minority, but Ukraine has strong ties with the far right, so very much more than likely.
Two of Ukraine's Presidents in the 21st century have made Narrsees Hero of Ukraine.
And of course the current Israeli government is far right.
But yes, whilst not a surprise, absolutely a disgrace.
posted on 16/9/25
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
do you think that Israel are taking their genuine concerns too far? Or their actions are justified due to their genuine concerns? I heard that one of the Israeli gunmen who pulled the trigger to kill kids, actually thought he was pulling the trigger to unlock cheaper energy bills in the cost of living crisis. He had no idea that there was a genocide going on. Just wanted cheaper bills.
People just have genuine concerns and not everyone there committing genocide is there for the same reasons.
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You (or someone, I think it was you) made this point very effectively previously.
This doesn't work though. Imo anyway.
Whilst I agree that neither is defensible, there's a difference between voting for/supporting a party run by a racist for a non-racist reason, and killing children for a reason other than that you just enjoy killing children.
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It does work. It was that video posted that made me realise that these people must all know what is going on but are still there. You'd surely leave after seeing that woman's speech if you were just there to protest the price of dishwasher tablets?
..with their genuine concerns.
Could create a great few sketch videos showing people claiming that they are not racist, just have genuine concern, then for each clip it shows them doing something more and more extreme under that guise.
Can start it with attending the Tommy Robertson rally and then work it up to gassing. With each stage in between as well.
Maybe even just one of those political comic strip things.
posted on 16/9/25
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
do you think that Israel are taking their genuine concerns too far? Or their actions are justified due to their genuine concerns? I heard that one of the Israeli gunmen who pulled the trigger to kill kids, actually thought he was pulling the trigger to unlock cheaper energy bills in the cost of living crisis. He had no idea that there was a genocide going on. Just wanted cheaper bills.
People just have genuine concerns and not everyone there committing genocide is there for the same reasons.
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You (or someone, I think it was you) made this point very effectively previously.
This doesn't work though. Imo anyway.
Whilst I agree that neither is defensible, there's a difference between voting for/supporting a party run by a racist for a non-racist reason, and killing children for a reason other than that you just enjoy killing children.
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It does work. It was that video posted that made me realise that these people must all know what is going on but are still there. You'd surely leave after seeing that woman's speech if you were just there to protest the price of dishwasher tablets?
..with their genuine concerns.
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I've not seen the video but I do get your point and agree with you. But hanging around at a rally you went to with good intentions, after you've seen someone who's part of it giving a racist rant (or whatever the woman said/did in the video) isn't the same as shooting children. It's not comparable, imo. Hanging around at a racist rally isn't the same as shooting children and it isn't the same as gassing people.
And personally I don't think this would make a funny or appropriate comedy sketch.
But hey. I agree with you that anyone (if genuinely any) who went to support Robinson's rally innocently, should have left once the organisation's racist intent became reasonably apparent, and that their excuse for innocently being there expired when they chose not to.
posted on 16/9/25
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
do you think that Israel are taking their genuine concerns too far? Or their actions are justified due to their genuine concerns? I heard that one of the Israeli gunmen who pulled the trigger to kill kids, actually thought he was pulling the trigger to unlock cheaper energy bills in the cost of living crisis. He had no idea that there was a genocide going on. Just wanted cheaper bills.
People just have genuine concerns and not everyone there committing genocide is there for the same reasons.
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You (or someone, I think it was you) made this point very effectively previously.
This doesn't work though. Imo anyway.
Whilst I agree that neither is defensible, there's a difference between voting for/supporting a party run by a racist for a non-racist reason, and killing children for a reason other than that you just enjoy killing children.
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It does work. It was that video posted that made me realise that these people must all know what is going on but are still there. You'd surely leave after seeing that woman's speech if you were just there to protest the price of dishwasher tablets?
..with their genuine concerns.
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I've not seen the video but I do get your point and agree with you. But hanging around at a rally you went to with good intentions, after you've seen someone who's part of it giving a racist rant (or whatever the woman said/did in the video) isn't the same as shooting children. It's not comparable, imo. Hanging around at a racist rally isn't the same as shooting children and it isn't the same as gassing people.
And personally I don't think this would make a funny or appropriate comedy sketch.
But hey. I agree with you that anyone (if genuinely any) who went to support Robinson's rally innocently, should have left once the organisation's racist intent became reasonably apparent, and that their excuse for innocently being there expired when they chose not to.
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It would be a FANTASTIC idea for a political comic strip. Even with a parallel strip with those attending Hitler's early marches, because they wanted to be proud of being German. And progressing from there.
Or are you saying there is something wrong with being proud to be British/German???
posted on 16/9/25
Interesting listening to last nights ep of the NewsAgents.
"I'm here because Britain is becoming more like North Korea"
"I'm here because of what happened to Charlie Kirk"
"I'm here because immigrants are 70% more likely to commit SA than white people"
All legitimate concerns apparently.
posted on 16/9/25
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
do you think that Israel are taking their genuine concerns too far? Or their actions are justified due to their genuine concerns? I heard that one of the Israeli gunmen who pulled the trigger to kill kids, actually thought he was pulling the trigger to unlock cheaper energy bills in the cost of living crisis. He had no idea that there was a genocide going on. Just wanted cheaper bills.
People just have genuine concerns and not everyone there committing genocide is there for the same reasons.
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You (or someone, I think it was you) made this point very effectively previously.
This doesn't work though. Imo anyway.
Whilst I agree that neither is defensible, there's a difference between voting for/supporting a party run by a racist for a non-racist reason, and killing children for a reason other than that you just enjoy killing children.
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It does work. It was that video posted that made me realise that these people must all know what is going on but are still there. You'd surely leave after seeing that woman's speech if you were just there to protest the price of dishwasher tablets?
..with their genuine concerns.
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I've not seen the video but I do get your point and agree with you. But hanging around at a rally you went to with good intentions, after you've seen someone who's part of it giving a racist rant (or whatever the woman said/did in the video) isn't the same as shooting children. It's not comparable, imo. Hanging around at a racist rally isn't the same as shooting children and it isn't the same as gassing people.
And personally I don't think this would make a funny or appropriate comedy sketch.
But hey. I agree with you that anyone (if genuinely any) who went to support Robinson's rally innocently, should have left once the organisation's racist intent became reasonably apparent, and that their excuse for innocently being there expired when they chose not to.
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It would be a FANTASTIC idea for a political comic strip. Even with a parallel strip with those attending Hitler's early marches, because they wanted to be proud of being German. And progressing from there.
Or are you saying there is something wrong with being proud to be British/German???
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I don't much like the direction of this exchange.
I think I'd probably have more 'sympathy' though with someone supporting a German nationalist movement in the early 30s, than I would someone supporting a racist British nationalist movement today.
I'm not sure whether you have time bearing in mind all your comedy script writing about children being shot etc, but Mephisto is a very interesting (fictional) insight into that period in Germany and the political influences on individuals and on the country. The 72 film Cabaret (also fictional) gives a little bit of insight as well.
posted on 16/9/25
To be clear, as ever, it is not mocking the victims of these tragedies, it is mocking those who are trying to make further events happen. Like when paedos/Jimmy Saville are mocked, it is not at the expense of their victims, it's at their expense.
People joining marches of EDL founder Tommy Robertson, featuring anti Muslim speeches, should definitely be mocked and it is entirely appropriate and even necessary to make comparisons with other events around the world and throughout history.
These people deserved to be MOCKED, not saying things like "they just have legitimate concerns" to defend them being there, when you know fine well what the organiser stands for and wants to achieve.
They need to be mocked and belittled. Yes, they are stupid and these marches are entirely inappropriate places for addressing their so called innocent concerns. Fack them.
posted on 16/9/25
Even just the lack of self awareness associated with attending one of these marches, if you are at all associated with anyone intelligent or respectable. Would you want to see your dad there, or your work colleague? Your son? Would you not think what the faack are they doing at a Tommy Robertson rally? I am not sure I would be able to show my face at work or around family or friends.
But if you aren't are a respectable person, or intelligent, then I can see why you could go without consequence to your day to day life.
This lack of intelligence isn't me calling them stupid. I am just saying they are not not stupid.
Their lack of intelligence should continue to be highlighted as the main reason for them attending, for many reasons.
posted on 16/9/25
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 13 minutes ago
To be clear, as ever, it is not mocking the victims of these tragedies, it is mocking those who are trying to make further events happen. Like when paedos/Jimmy Saville are mocked, it is not at the expense of their victims, it's at their expense.
People joining marches of EDL founder Tommy Robertson, featuring anti Muslim speeches, should definitely be mocked and it is entirely appropriate and even necessary to make comparisons with other events around the world and throughout history.
These people deserved to be MOCKED, not saying things like "they just have legitimate concerns" to defend them being there, when you know fine well what the organiser stands for and wants to achieve.
They need to be mocked and belittled. Yes, they are stupid and these marches are entirely inappropriate places for addressing their so called innocent concerns. Fack them.
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posted on 16/9/25
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 13 minutes ago
To be clear, as ever, it is not mocking the victims of these tragedies, it is mocking those who are trying to make further events happen. Like when paedos/Jimmy Saville are mocked, it is not at the expense of their victims, it's at their expense.
People joining marches of EDL founder Tommy Robertson, featuring anti Muslim speeches, should definitely be mocked and it is entirely appropriate and even necessary to make comparisons with other events around the world and throughout history.
These people deserved to be MOCKED, not saying things like "they just have legitimate concerns" to defend them being there, when you know fine well what the organiser stands for and wants to achieve.
They need to be mocked and belittled. Yes, they are stupid and these marches are entirely inappropriate places for addressing their so called innocent concerns. Fack them.
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it sounds like you feel that you want to create comedy sketches about children being shot and people being gassed, for a legitimate reason.
posted on 16/9/25
I think I'd probably have more 'sympathy' though with someone supporting a German nationalist movement in the early 30s, than I would someone supporting a racist British nationalist movement today.
Why?
German nationalist movement in the 30s was as racist as you can get
posted on 16/9/25
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 13 minutes ago
To be clear, as ever, it is not mocking the victims of these tragedies, it is mocking those who are trying to make further events happen. Like when paedos/Jimmy Saville are mocked, it is not at the expense of their victims, it's at their expense.
People joining marches of EDL founder Tommy Robertson, featuring anti Muslim speeches, should definitely be mocked and it is entirely appropriate and even necessary to make comparisons with other events around the world and throughout history.
These people deserved to be MOCKED, not saying things like "they just have legitimate concerns" to defend them being there, when you know fine well what the organiser stands for and wants to achieve.
They need to be mocked and belittled. Yes, they are stupid and these marches are entirely inappropriate places for addressing their so called innocent concerns. Fack them.
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it sounds like you feel that you want to create comedy sketches about children being shot and people being gassed, for a legitimate reason.
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I just have legitimate concerns, that's all.
posted on 16/9/25
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 13 minutes ago
To be clear, as ever, it is not mocking the victims of these tragedies, it is mocking those who are trying to make further events happen. Like when paedos/Jimmy Saville are mocked, it is not at the expense of their victims, it's at their expense.
People joining marches of EDL founder Tommy Robertson, featuring anti Muslim speeches, should definitely be mocked and it is entirely appropriate and even necessary to make comparisons with other events around the world and throughout history.
These people deserved to be MOCKED, not saying things like "they just have legitimate concerns" to defend them being there, when you know fine well what the organiser stands for and wants to achieve.
They need to be mocked and belittled. Yes, they are stupid and these marches are entirely inappropriate places for addressing their so called innocent concerns. Fack them.
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it sounds like you feel that you want to create comedy sketches about children being shot and people being gassed, for a legitimate reason.
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I just have legitimate concerns, that's all.
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posted on 16/9/25
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 3 minutes ago
I think I'd probably have more 'sympathy' though with someone supporting a German nationalist movement in the early 30s, than I would someone supporting a racist British nationalist movement today.
Why?
German nationalist movement in the 30s was as racist as you can get
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I was going to try and give my reasoning, but it's a bit pointless. Don't mean to be rude at all, but I have no motivation to take the conversation further. It's not really of particular interest to me, was just thinking out loud.
I would recommend Mephisto though. Cracking movie about that period.
posted on 16/9/25
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 13 minutes ago
To be clear, as ever, it is not mocking the victims of these tragedies, it is mocking those who are trying to make further events happen. Like when paedos/Jimmy Saville are mocked, it is not at the expense of their victims, it's at their expense.
People joining marches of EDL founder Tommy Robertson, featuring anti Muslim speeches, should definitely be mocked and it is entirely appropriate and even necessary to make comparisons with other events around the world and throughout history.
These people deserved to be MOCKED, not saying things like "they just have legitimate concerns" to defend them being there, when you know fine well what the organiser stands for and wants to achieve.
They need to be mocked and belittled. Yes, they are stupid and these marches are entirely inappropriate places for addressing their so called innocent concerns. Fack them.
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it sounds like you feel that you want to create comedy sketches about children being shot and people being gassed, for a legitimate reason.
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I just have legitimate concerns, that's all.
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well that was my point.
posted on 16/9/25
you can't have legitimate concerns about going to a nationalist rally, but you can have legitimate reasons for wanting to make comedy sketches about children being shot. apparently. if you're intelligent anyway.
posted on 16/9/25
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 6 minutes ago
you can't have legitimate concerns about going to a nationalist rally, but you can have legitimate reasons for wanting to make comedy sketches about children being shot. apparently. if you're intelligent anyway.
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Yeah it's funny how it works eh? It's why comedians like Frankie Boyle were so good.
posted on 16/9/25
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 6 minutes ago
you can't have legitimate concerns about going to a nationalist rally, but you can have legitimate reasons for wanting to make comedy sketches about children being shot. apparently. if you're intelligent anyway.
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Yeah it's funny how it works eh? It's why comedians like Frankie Boyle were so good.
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You aren't motivated to do good comedy though, right? Your aim is to bring society together and make people less likely to be swayed by political messaging which has racist overtones? You aim to do this by randomly name dropping Jimmy Saville and writing jokes about people on Robinson's march gassing people and shooting children?
Incidentally on Boyle:
complaints were received about comments he made regarding English Olympic swimmer Rebecca Adlington on Mock the Week, saying that... her boyfriend must be attracted to her due to an aspect of her sexual behaviour. The BBC ruled that the jokes were indeed "humiliating" (2008)
This caused many to complain about the state that the BBC had come to, with Conservative MP David Davies calling the joke a "disgracefully foul comment". Boyle was eventually cleared of any misconduct by the BBC Trust, although they called the comment "sexist and ageist". (2008)
The audience member explained that her five-year-old daughter had the condition and strongly criticised Boyle's portrayal of people with Down's syndrome. Mencap spokesman Ismail Kaji said that the comments could be misconstrued and seen as "no different to bullying". (2010)
This was condemned by the End Violence Against Women Coalition. (2012)
This was deemed so distasteful that his entire six-minute performance was cut out of the broadcast version of the 3.5-hour show. (2013)
Conservative MP Caroline Nokes strongly criticised Boyle's use of rape as a subject for jokes (2022)
I must say, I read SOME of the jokes which these controversies relate to, and part of me is wanting to laugh, although the part of me that recognises that they're distasteful is my dominant feeling.
Whilst admittedly I've not seen the proposed sketches, I can't find anything at all funny though about depicting people being gassed to death or children being shot dead. Boyle's made some objectively morally objectionable if not deplorable jokes, but none of the controversies he'd been involved in seem to relate to jokes as extreme as what you're describing. I appreciate that people vent their feelings in different ways, but tbh they just strikes me on the face of it as sick.
I also don't see that the 'comedian' has ownership of whether or not such matters are "at the expense of (the) victims", or at least whether they are offensive to victims or their relatives.
I can't imagine bereaved parents of children who were shot dead by the IDF, seeing the funny side of portraying someone who attends a protest march as a child killer. I also can't see British Muslims or British Jews for that matter seeing the funny side of comedy sketches depicting people being gassed by racists.
I also just find the whole attitude in the posts above destructive tbh. I don't personally see this as being the antidote to the current problems in UK society, irrespective of how intelligent the person writing the jokes is.
Such intelligence would be more beneficially deployed and be more likely to have positive effect, by being more constructive and showing people a degree of understanding and being prepared to listen.
People are there to be persuaded, if they feel included, but hateful ridicule is probably only going to distance them further.
posted on 16/9/25
Just listen to these Israelis: https://youtu.be/nMyyVaiY4V8?si=HA3HtqbzhCDmLYoD
posted on 16/9/25
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 6 minutes ago
you can't have legitimate concerns about going to a nationalist rally, but you can have legitimate reasons for wanting to make comedy sketches about children being shot. apparently. if you're intelligent anyway.
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Yeah it's funny how it works eh? It's why comedians like Frankie Boyle were so good.
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You aren't motivated to do good comedy though, right? Your aim is to bring society together and make people less likely to be swayed by political messaging which has racist overtones? You aim to do this by randomly name dropping Jimmy Saville and writing jokes about people on Robinson's march gassing people and shooting children?
Incidentally on Boyle:
complaints were received about comments he made regarding English Olympic swimmer Rebecca Adlington on Mock the Week, saying that... her boyfriend must be attracted to her due to an aspect of her sexual behaviour. The BBC ruled that the jokes were indeed "humiliating" (2008)
This caused many to complain about the state that the BBC had come to, with Conservative MP David Davies calling the joke a "disgracefully foul comment". Boyle was eventually cleared of any misconduct by the BBC Trust, although they called the comment "sexist and ageist". (2008)
The audience member explained that her five-year-old daughter had the condition and strongly criticised Boyle's portrayal of people with Down's syndrome. Mencap spokesman Ismail Kaji said that the comments could be misconstrued and seen as "no different to bullying". (2010)
This was condemned by the End Violence Against Women Coalition. (2012)
This was deemed so distasteful that his entire six-minute performance was cut out of the broadcast version of the 3.5-hour show. (2013)
Conservative MP Caroline Nokes strongly criticised Boyle's use of rape as a subject for jokes (2022)
I must say, I read SOME of the jokes which these controversies relate to, and part of me is wanting to laugh, although the part of me that recognises that they're distasteful is my dominant feeling.
Whilst admittedly I've not seen the proposed sketches, I can't find anything at all funny though about depicting people being gassed to death or children being shot dead. Boyle's made some objectively morally objectionable if not deplorable jokes, but none of the controversies he'd been involved in seem to relate to jokes as extreme as what you're describing. I appreciate that people vent their feelings in different ways, but tbh they just strikes me on the face of it as sick.
I also don't see that the 'comedian' has ownership of whether or not such matters are "at the expense of (the) victims", or at least whether they are offensive to victims or their relatives.
I can't imagine bereaved parents of children who were shot dead by the IDF, seeing the funny side of portraying someone who attends a protest march as a child killer. I also can't see British Muslims or British Jews for that matter seeing the funny side of comedy sketches depicting people being gassed by racists.
I also just find the whole attitude in the posts above destructive tbh. I don't personally see this as being the antidote to the current problems in UK society, irrespective of how intelligent the person writing the jokes is.
Such intelligence would be more beneficially deployed and be more likely to have positive effect, by being more constructive and showing people a degree of understanding and being prepared to listen.
People are there to be persuaded, if they feel included, but hateful ridicule is probably only going to distance them further.
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posted on 16/9/25
Outraged by the description of a 17 year old joke. Now thats comedy!
posted on 16/9/25
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 2 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Sam Irving (U1734)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by plus vincit saepius (U23088)
posted 6 minutes ago
you can't have legitimate concerns about going to a nationalist rally, but you can have legitimate reasons for wanting to make comedy sketches about children being shot. apparently. if you're intelligent anyway.
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Yeah it's funny how it works eh? It's why comedians like Frankie Boyle were so good.
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You aren't motivated to do good comedy though, right? Your aim is to bring society together and make people less likely to be swayed by political messaging which has racist overtones? You aim to do this by randomly name dropping Jimmy Saville and writing jokes about people on Robinson's march gassing people and shooting children?
Incidentally on Boyle:
complaints were received about comments he made regarding English Olympic swimmer Rebecca Adlington on Mock the Week, saying that... her boyfriend must be attracted to her due to an aspect of her sexual behaviour. The BBC ruled that the jokes were indeed "humiliating" (2008)
This caused many to complain about the state that the BBC had come to, with Conservative MP David Davies calling the joke a "disgracefully foul comment". Boyle was eventually cleared of any misconduct by the BBC Trust, although they called the comment "sexist and ageist". (2008)
The audience member explained that her five-year-old daughter had the condition and strongly criticised Boyle's portrayal of people with Down's syndrome. Mencap spokesman Ismail Kaji said that the comments could be misconstrued and seen as "no different to bullying". (2010)
This was condemned by the End Violence Against Women Coalition. (2012)
This was deemed so distasteful that his entire six-minute performance was cut out of the broadcast version of the 3.5-hour show. (2013)
Conservative MP Caroline Nokes strongly criticised Boyle's use of rape as a subject for jokes (2022)
I must say, I read SOME of the jokes which these controversies relate to, and part of me is wanting to laugh, although the part of me that recognises that they're distasteful is my dominant feeling.
Whilst admittedly I've not seen the proposed sketches, I can't find anything at all funny though about depicting people being gassed to death or children being shot dead. Boyle's made some objectively morally objectionable if not deplorable jokes, but none of the controversies he'd been involved in seem to relate to jokes as extreme as what you're describing. I appreciate that people vent their feelings in different ways, but tbh they just strikes me on the face of it as sick.
I also don't see that the 'comedian' has ownership of whether or not such matters are "at the expense of (the) victims", or at least whether they are offensive to victims or their relatives.
I can't imagine bereaved parents of children who were shot dead by the IDF, seeing the funny side of portraying someone who attends a protest march as a child killer. I also can't see British Muslims or British Jews for that matter seeing the funny side of comedy sketches depicting people being gassed by racists.
I also just find the whole attitude in the posts above destructive tbh. I don't personally see this as being the antidote to the current problems in UK society, irrespective of how intelligent the person writing the jokes is.
Such intelligence would be more beneficially deployed and be more likely to have positive effect, by being more constructive and showing people a degree of understanding and being prepared to listen.
People are there to be persuaded, if they feel included, but hateful ridicule is probably only going to distance them further.
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Cancel culture nonsense. I'm off to a march
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