I wouldnt put Kubica in, for all we know he could have flopped.

fair point, particularly the tyres.

as well as more overtaking though the cars are just a lot closer togethor than they have been for years. i dont see drs or kers being responsible for the closeness of the racing, and even if you discount the kers overtakes, you still have way more than there has been for a long long time dont you ?

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actually to be fair to me, i think my two points are being mixed up a little.

i said that this is a golden era because :

1. the drivers are very good
2. the racing is very competitive atm

i didnt say that the drivers are all as good as each other tbf.

I do not agree with that assessment as these aids were brought in to make overtaking easier and races closer. Overtaking is an art and unfortunately it has been cheapened because of these devices.

The simple solution would be, take them away, regulate the aerodynamics to mitigate drivers suffering from being too close to one another, ban all diffusers etc and then we separate the men from the boys

then we separate the men from the boys

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and encounter the dryest F1 racing since Button won with Brawn

Not true though, 2007 and 2008 seasons were quite good as well.

The current rules make for interesting television at a detriment to the sport in my humble opinion.

No testing, lottery with the tyres, unclear rules, varying punishments, exhaust gas manipulation etc.

The racer in me is not satisfied with the artificial overtakes and button pushing gimmicks

im sure they were brought in to make overtaking easier and races closer.

my latest point though - which i believe to be valid - is that these devices are not responsible for all of the overtakes, and that without them there are still more overtakes than there previously were.

whilst drs isnt my cup of tea either, the other changes and other factors which have made the races more closer and more exciting have rescued the sport imo.

whilst there may be the odd f1 snob about who claims that fq was better when there were 30 second gaps between each car and the only changes of position you would ever see were in the pits, i think that the vast vast majority of everyone in the sport and with any interest in it, considers that the return to racing on the track not only rescues the sport, but makes it much closer to its historically classic format.

You kidding? You complain about Vettel winning because he has the best car by far. If they took out the KERS and DRS he would have won this championship already IMO!

I do agree that it does take away the skill factor of racing and have a lot more to do with luck, but I would far rather enjoy the races like I am than appreciate the infrequent overtaking

No testing, lottery with the tyres, unclear rules, varying punishments, exhaust gas manipulation etc.

The racer in me is not satisfied with the artificial overtakes and button pushing gimmicks
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lottery with the tyres - so far as i can see, these tyres increase the driver skill required.

unclear rules - always been the case

varying punishments - always been the case

exhaust gas manipulation - not familiar with this, but things have always been manipulated

artificial overtakes and buttons - i agree about the buttons, but it's the way technology has developed. there were buttons 10 years ago aswell, just not a boost button. i would agree that the boost button is not ideal and not necessary. unfortunately it was brought in just at the time that it became unnecessary. i think the driver would find the overall experience much more satisfying atm though rather than staring into space for 2 hours wondering when he'll next catch sight of another vehicle.

whilst drs isnt my cup of tea either
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* kers *

2. another poster stated that hamilton contrived to throw away his only chance of WDC. Again he refuses to explain how.
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that's a lie isnt it.

you are referring to me, and i suggest you know damn well, that what i said was that he almost gave away his only title to date. which (in itself) is accurate.

This is the exact quote from your own article and in your own words

"Hamilton's, who let's not forget almost contrived to give away his only title to date in the final race of that season."

I asked you to explain this comment of yours and you have denied that you have made it despite the fact that is there before you very eyes.

Now are you going to explain it or not?

lottery with the tyres - so far as i can see, these tyres increase the driver skill required.
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Not accurate. The drivers have had to adapt their styles to the tyres which has stifled those with pace and race craft, turning racing into a tyre conservation sport and making qualifying a farce. Case in point, look at Kobayashi, he looks a shadow of the guy he used to be. The mercs rarely bother to qualify because of the tyres and when you push they fall off the cliff. Teams understand them better now but they still hamper flat out racing.


unclear rules - always been the case
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To an extent. You got punished for things though. This season we have seen drivers docked grid points for blocking in quali but Vettel got reprimands. How is that consistent?

varying punishments - always been the case
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See above

exhaust gas manipulation - not familiar with this, but things have always been manipulated
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That's the blown diffuser malarky. It's still happening but to a lesser extent. Things have always been manipulated but there is a rule that says, do not do this but people do it and do not get punished. Holes in floors and illegal engine maps that facilitate traction control. RedBull weren't punished for those infractions. If they were, Alonso would be world champion now. The same FIA are quick to clamp down on rear wings that do not conform to design specs.



artificial overtakes and buttons - i agree about the buttons, but it's the way technology has developed. there were buttons 10 years ago aswell, just not a boost button. i would agree that the boost button is not ideal and not necessary. unfortunately it was brought in just at the time that it became unnecessary. i think the driver would find the overall experience much more satisfying atm though rather than staring into space for 2 hours wondering when he'll next catch sight of another vehicle.
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KERS doesn't actually provide you with that much pace over a lap it's roughly 3-4 tenths a lap and if someone is 20 seconds ahead of you, except he has a disaster, that's the race over and done. Vettel has mastered this, inspite of the KERS


I agree that races can be boring and dire and needed some sprucing up but I think we've gone too far.

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It would be wise to not label me as anything my friend. I call a spade a spade.

If you do not like it, you can do one

This is the exact quote from your own article and in your own words

"Hamilton's, who let's not forget almost contrived to give away his only title to date in the final race of that season."
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so how do you square that with your claim that i said that

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hamilton contrived to throw away his only chance of WDC" ?

it's a totally different statement.

Divisional Director Brayns Bond (U16152)

So explain the statement you did make then. Simple

As usual you are trying any desperate avenue to escape explaining yourself.

(slow and painful shake of the head, with a 'why on earth am i wasting my time conversing with this person' expression)

It would be wise to not label me as anything my friend
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All I want to know is how he contrived to throw it away.

It is your comment why not substantiate it. You will then educate me.

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you what ?

You had to read it to delete it so that is good enough for me.

Up to you if you take my advice or not but you are still embarrising yourself by evading a simple question.

You had to read it to delete it so that is good enough for me.

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read it

laughed at it/you

deleted it