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comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 1 minute ago
Huh. That bad eh?
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Depends what 'side' you're on I suppose...
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You tell me. Fiscally conservative, Socially moderate on issues in the states. Slightly right leaning if I had to label myself.
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
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comment by Galvs. (U10415)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 1 minute ago
Huh. That bad eh?
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Depends what 'side' you're on I suppose...
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You tell me. Fiscally conservative, Socially moderate on issues in the states. Slightly right leaning if I had to label myself.
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Sounds like a filthy Tory to me
comment by Vincent Janssen (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
Also I think another issue with politics is there is such a lack of people out there speaking 'the truth' or at least their version, that people get fixated by people like Jonathon Pie (in the OP).
They are even asking him to run for PM lol.
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His stuff does tickle me.
As for the Trump vs Hillary stuff, time will tell. What is true is that the entire US political framework is rotten and in the pay of big business, which comes at a cost to the blue collar worker in the street. Doubt that will change any time soon.
As far as left ruining the debate, id argue that there is little debate to be had as the left and right become more militant. It's a side effect of the human condition that it is virtually impossible to have folk change their mind through rational discussion. If Trump turns out to be really bad for the USA it will lead to a degree of revisionism from his supporters, who will post rationalise the decision till if fits with them. Eg. "I didn't like Trump, but hated Hillary more"
It's impossible to know in a kind of schrodingereqsue way whether Hillary would have been worse, or that Trump through is "friendship" with Putin avoided increasing destabilisation in the ME.
I'd be surprised if peoples lives would be marked improved one way or another, irrespective of who was elected.
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comment by rossobianchi says WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB! (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Galvs. (U10415)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 1 minute ago
Huh. That bad eh?
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Depends what 'side' you're on I suppose...
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You tell me. Fiscally conservative, Socially moderate on issues in the states. Slightly right leaning if I had to label myself.
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Sounds like a filthy Tory to me
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In seriousness, as I've said repeatedly through the last few months, American politics is very different from that of the UK and most of Western Europe insofar as the focus is, relatively speaking, much more on sociocultural issues, rather than on economo-fiscal politics.
Western Europe will see the US as, again relatively speaking, fiscally conservative regardless of whether the Democrats or Republicans are in power. The difference between the two parties is most striking in their progressive vs. traditionalist values.
The US I would imagine would see the UK as socioculturally liberal regardless of whether the Conservatives or Labour were in power. The difference between the two parties is most striking in their (quasi) socialist vs. neocapitalist values.
No, the left is definitely ruining a lot of debates with their over-emotional statements that have no evidence to support it. The kids are still blocking the streets a couple block away from my office. SMFH.
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Not when the traffic in downtown is blocked off and I'm an hour late to work.
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Western Europe will see the US as, again relatively speaking, fiscally conservative regardless of whether the Democrats or Republicans are in power. The difference between the two parties is most striking in their progressive vs. traditionalist values.
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TBH it doesn't hold for all Tories and all Democrats but I could see myself voting for David Cameron over Hilary Clinton.
Trump or Farage is a bit tougher admittedly....
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comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 6 minutes ago
Western Europe will see the US as, again relatively speaking, fiscally conservative regardless of whether the Democrats or Republicans are in power. The difference between the two parties is most striking in their progressive vs. traditionalist values.
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TBH it doesn't hold for all Tories and all Democrats but I could see myself voting for David Cameron over Hilary Clinton.
Trump or Farage is a bit tougher admittedly....
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Yep, there's an argument to say Cameron without Osborne might've been more fiscally liberal than Hillary.
Under four years of Trump or Clinton, the working and middle classes would've ended up proportionately much worse off than the already wealthy.
Although that has been true under every British and American government over the last 40 plus years.
Don't see how Farage has ran away from his responsibilities.now Cameron that's a different ball game.
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comment by Galvs. (U10415)
posted 18 minutes ago
Nah I'd go Trump over Farage personally....
At least Trump hasn't already run away from his responsibilities....whether he sticks to his rhetoric is another thing.
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There's also the chance that Trump is just a campaign populist an actually quite rational, if a little unpleasant.
Farage, on the other hand, we know to be a nasty, prejudiced
(dont tell me that wasn't HIS policy.....)
It wasn't though was it...
His policy was to get us out of the EU,mission accomplished,you didn't actually believe that about the money going to the NHS?
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Boris wasn't given a choice, both are still involved in some way to politics, boris especially
US politics is desperately radical though.
The difference between two candidates is pro-life & pro-choice. One is pro guns & the other is intelligent etc.
The difference between our parties is to do with public funding, much more civil.
The Primaries are supposed to be radical and then they tone it down for the GE but this year, it's been all extreme talk and poo flinging the whole way through.
2016 is unprecedented in terms of American Politics.
Actually, as soon as I knew Leicester was going to win the Premier League, I should've put some money on Trump becoming our next president. 2016 is a weird-ass year.
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His policy was to get us out of the EU,mission accomplished
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posted on 15/11/16
comment by Galvs. (U10415)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 1 minute ago
Huh. That bad eh?
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Depends what 'side' you're on I suppose...
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You tell me. Fiscally conservative, Socially moderate on issues in the states. Slightly right leaning if I had to label myself.
posted on 15/11/16
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Galvs. (U10415)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 1 minute ago
Huh. That bad eh?
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Depends what 'side' you're on I suppose...
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You tell me. Fiscally conservative, Socially moderate on issues in the states. Slightly right leaning if I had to label myself.
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Sounds like a filthy Tory to me
posted on 15/11/16
comment by Vincent Janssen (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
Also I think another issue with politics is there is such a lack of people out there speaking 'the truth' or at least their version, that people get fixated by people like Jonathon Pie (in the OP).
They are even asking him to run for PM lol.
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His stuff does tickle me.
As for the Trump vs Hillary stuff, time will tell. What is true is that the entire US political framework is rotten and in the pay of big business, which comes at a cost to the blue collar worker in the street. Doubt that will change any time soon.
As far as left ruining the debate, id argue that there is little debate to be had as the left and right become more militant. It's a side effect of the human condition that it is virtually impossible to have folk change their mind through rational discussion. If Trump turns out to be really bad for the USA it will lead to a degree of revisionism from his supporters, who will post rationalise the decision till if fits with them. Eg. "I didn't like Trump, but hated Hillary more"
It's impossible to know in a kind of schrodingereqsue way whether Hillary would have been worse, or that Trump through is "friendship" with Putin avoided increasing destabilisation in the ME.
I'd be surprised if peoples lives would be marked improved one way or another, irrespective of who was elected.
posted on 15/11/16
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posted on 15/11/16
comment by rossobianchi says WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB! (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Galvs. (U10415)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Freedom FC (Welcome to Texas) (U7214)
posted 1 minute ago
Huh. That bad eh?
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Depends what 'side' you're on I suppose...
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You tell me. Fiscally conservative, Socially moderate on issues in the states. Slightly right leaning if I had to label myself.
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Sounds like a filthy Tory to me
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In seriousness, as I've said repeatedly through the last few months, American politics is very different from that of the UK and most of Western Europe insofar as the focus is, relatively speaking, much more on sociocultural issues, rather than on economo-fiscal politics.
Western Europe will see the US as, again relatively speaking, fiscally conservative regardless of whether the Democrats or Republicans are in power. The difference between the two parties is most striking in their progressive vs. traditionalist values.
The US I would imagine would see the UK as socioculturally liberal regardless of whether the Conservatives or Labour were in power. The difference between the two parties is most striking in their (quasi) socialist vs. neocapitalist values.
posted on 15/11/16
No, the left is definitely ruining a lot of debates with their over-emotional statements that have no evidence to support it. The kids are still blocking the streets a couple block away from my office. SMFH.
posted on 15/11/16
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posted on 15/11/16
Not when the traffic in downtown is blocked off and I'm an hour late to work.
posted on 15/11/16
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posted on 15/11/16
Western Europe will see the US as, again relatively speaking, fiscally conservative regardless of whether the Democrats or Republicans are in power. The difference between the two parties is most striking in their progressive vs. traditionalist values.
...................................
TBH it doesn't hold for all Tories and all Democrats but I could see myself voting for David Cameron over Hilary Clinton.
Trump or Farage is a bit tougher admittedly....
posted on 15/11/16
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posted on 15/11/16
comment by Yes way Jose (U5768)
posted 6 minutes ago
Western Europe will see the US as, again relatively speaking, fiscally conservative regardless of whether the Democrats or Republicans are in power. The difference between the two parties is most striking in their progressive vs. traditionalist values.
...................................
TBH it doesn't hold for all Tories and all Democrats but I could see myself voting for David Cameron over Hilary Clinton.
Trump or Farage is a bit tougher admittedly....
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Yep, there's an argument to say Cameron without Osborne might've been more fiscally liberal than Hillary.
Under four years of Trump or Clinton, the working and middle classes would've ended up proportionately much worse off than the already wealthy.
Although that has been true under every British and American government over the last 40 plus years.
posted on 15/11/16
Don't see how Farage has ran away from his responsibilities.now Cameron that's a different ball game.
posted on 15/11/16
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posted on 15/11/16
comment by Galvs. (U10415)
posted 18 minutes ago
Nah I'd go Trump over Farage personally....
At least Trump hasn't already run away from his responsibilities....whether he sticks to his rhetoric is another thing.
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There's also the chance that Trump is just a campaign populist an actually quite rational, if a little unpleasant.
Farage, on the other hand, we know to be a nasty, prejudiced
posted on 15/11/16
(dont tell me that wasn't HIS policy.....)
It wasn't though was it...
posted on 15/11/16
His policy was to get us out of the EU,mission accomplished,you didn't actually believe that about the money going to the NHS?
posted on 15/11/16
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posted on 15/11/16
Boris wasn't given a choice, both are still involved in some way to politics, boris especially
posted on 15/11/16
US politics is desperately radical though.
The difference between two candidates is pro-life & pro-choice. One is pro guns & the other is intelligent etc.
The difference between our parties is to do with public funding, much more civil.
posted on 15/11/16
The Primaries are supposed to be radical and then they tone it down for the GE but this year, it's been all extreme talk and poo flinging the whole way through.
2016 is unprecedented in terms of American Politics.
posted on 15/11/16
Actually, as soon as I knew Leicester was going to win the Premier League, I should've put some money on Trump becoming our next president. 2016 is a weird-ass year.
posted on 15/11/16
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posted on 15/11/16
His policy was to get us out of the EU,mission accomplished
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We haven't left.
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