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comment by Galvs. (U10415)
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anyway.....after all the typos

No one is saying that good religious people are not good......
The point is that the 'religion' part of that sentence is irrelevant, because as the above said 'it's not religion; it's people'......
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Well, yeah, kinda, but it's not irrelevant if you're trying to point out to someone that "religion is evil".
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A good person wont do evil/bad things.
God is not needed for this is all I say.
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Take God out of that equation and replace it with something else eg law or rules and we find that good people will do bad things unless its defined

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rossobianchi says WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB! -

Yes, it is condemning the treatment of women but is full of nonsense and religious propaganda that has no factual evidence behind it. Many of these cultural practices stem from religious beliefs.
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As did the Inquisition, the Crusades, the ritual slaughter of the Burmese by Buddhists, the witch hunts, the Bartholomew's Day Massacre, the Pogroms in Russia and Germany...

I am no fan of organised religion, in part because it has allowed centuries-old works of fiction to be twisted and manipulated to support the control of people.

But your point was that "things like this [have] given the left a bad rep and is making them disliked," referring to an article that condemns the mistreatment of women in modern-day autocratic Islamic regimes.

If an article, which actually tries to bring some context and evidence, works to persuade people that that under their Islamic beliefs they have an obligation to ensure the fair treatment of women, I fail to see how that's a negative.
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I think it's a negative because it's a distortion of the truth. I care about the facts first and foremost. The left can’t take a moral high ground in regards to telling the facts if they are willing to distort them just in order to be politically correct. I understand many in the left would also discredit articles such as this but similar articles can be found all across the left wing media.
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What in the article is a distortion of the truth?
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Suggesting that Muhammad was a feminist and that the religion promotes gender equality, failing to mention numerous texts and evidence that would discredit this claim...etc
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The funniest part about this is to suggest that Muhammad was a feminist and then speak of equality

feminism isnt about equality

What cannot be denied is that Muhammad did discuss and bring forth rights for women when they didnt exist. inheritance, property and voting

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Feminism is, by definition, about equality. You cannot be more wrong about that.
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I disagree. Even feminists cannot agree on a definition for feminism

most isms start on a platform that is good/reasonable but then exceed its boundaries

feminism is not about equality in the main but exceeding it

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comment by Galvs. (U10415)
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comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 1 minute ago
I really don't get why people get so angry about people doing something they're not doing.

It's funny, as angry athests telling people to not believe in god kind of proves my whole point that supposed religious troubles have nothing to do with the religion itself and all about people just being assh0les to each other.
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There is no anger...not towards peaceful people with or without faith....
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The anger for religion is there and plain to see.
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I have anger towards those who use religion to do evil things.
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that should be across the board and not just religion

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rossobianchi says WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB! -

Yes, it is condemning the treatment of women but is full of nonsense and religious propaganda that has no factual evidence behind it. Many of these cultural practices stem from religious beliefs.
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As did the Inquisition, the Crusades, the ritual slaughter of the Burmese by Buddhists, the witch hunts, the Bartholomew's Day Massacre, the Pogroms in Russia and Germany...

I am no fan of organised religion, in part because it has allowed centuries-old works of fiction to be twisted and manipulated to support the control of people.

But your point was that "things like this [have] given the left a bad rep and is making them disliked," referring to an article that condemns the mistreatment of women in modern-day autocratic Islamic regimes.

If an article, which actually tries to bring some context and evidence, works to persuade people that that under their Islamic beliefs they have an obligation to ensure the fair treatment of women, I fail to see how that's a negative.
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I think it's a negative because it's a distortion of the truth. I care about the facts first and foremost. The left can’t take a moral high ground in regards to telling the facts if they are willing to distort them just in order to be politically correct. I understand many in the left would also discredit articles such as this but similar articles can be found all across the left wing media.
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What in the article is a distortion of the truth?
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Suggesting that Muhammad was a feminist and that the religion promotes gender equality, failing to mention numerous texts and evidence that would discredit this claim...etc
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The funniest part about this is to suggest that Muhammad was a feminist and then speak of equality

feminism isnt about equality

What cannot be denied is that Muhammad did discuss and bring forth rights for women when they didnt exist. inheritance, property and voting

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Feminism is, by definition, about equality. You cannot be more wrong about that.
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This is a quote from Muhammad

"the rights of women are sacred and that they are the twin halves of men"

Clearly this states that men and women are equal.

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comment by Galvs. (U10415)
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rossobianchi says WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB! -

Yes, it is condemning the treatment of women but is full of nonsense and religious propaganda that has no factual evidence behind it. Many of these cultural practices stem from religious beliefs.
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As did the Inquisition, the Crusades, the ritual slaughter of the Burmese by Buddhists, the witch hunts, the Bartholomew's Day Massacre, the Pogroms in Russia and Germany...

I am no fan of organised religion, in part because it has allowed centuries-old works of fiction to be twisted and manipulated to support the control of people.

But your point was that "things like this [have] given the left a bad rep and is making them disliked," referring to an article that condemns the mistreatment of women in modern-day autocratic Islamic regimes.

If an article, which actually tries to bring some context and evidence, works to persuade people that that under their Islamic beliefs they have an obligation to ensure the fair treatment of women, I fail to see how that's a negative.
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I think it's a negative because it's a distortion of the truth. I care about the facts first and foremost. The left can’t take a moral high ground in regards to telling the facts if they are willing to distort them just in order to be politically correct. I understand many in the left would also discredit articles such as this but similar articles can be found all across the left wing media.
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What in the article is a distortion of the truth?
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Suggesting that Muhammad was a feminist and that the religion promotes gender equality, failing to mention numerous texts and evidence that would discredit this claim...etc
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The funniest part about this is to suggest that Muhammad was a feminist and then speak of equality

feminism isnt about equality

What cannot be denied is that Muhammad did discuss and bring forth rights for women when they didnt exist. inheritance, property and voting

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And his child bride? Is this true? or has that been distorted?
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Ah, child brides, again this is cultural not religious

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comment by Galvs. (U10415)
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rossobianchi says WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB! -

Yes, it is condemning the treatment of women but is full of nonsense and religious propaganda that has no factual evidence behind it. Many of these cultural practices stem from religious beliefs.
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As did the Inquisition, the Crusades, the ritual slaughter of the Burmese by Buddhists, the witch hunts, the Bartholomew's Day Massacre, the Pogroms in Russia and Germany...

I am no fan of organised religion, in part because it has allowed centuries-old works of fiction to be twisted and manipulated to support the control of people.

But your point was that "things like this [have] given the left a bad rep and is making them disliked," referring to an article that condemns the mistreatment of women in modern-day autocratic Islamic regimes.

If an article, which actually tries to bring some context and evidence, works to persuade people that that under their Islamic beliefs they have an obligation to ensure the fair treatment of women, I fail to see how that's a negative.
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I think it's a negative because it's a distortion of the truth. I care about the facts first and foremost. The left can’t take a moral high ground in regards to telling the facts if they are willing to distort them just in order to be politically correct. I understand many in the left would also discredit articles such as this but similar articles can be found all across the left wing media.
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What in the article is a distortion of the truth?
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Suggesting that Muhammad was a feminist and that the religion promotes gender equality, failing to mention numerous texts and evidence that would discredit this claim...etc
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The funniest part about this is to suggest that Muhammad was a feminist and then speak of equality

feminism isnt about equality

What cannot be denied is that Muhammad did discuss and bring forth rights for women when they didnt exist. inheritance, property and voting

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And his child bride? Is this true? or has that been distorted?
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Bit of both

But even that was about stopping certain practices of the time.

In simple terms the accepted ages of marriage to girls from rabbis and priests was when the girl was only a few months old and sleeping with them

The marriage to Aisha was about setting a ruling that girls cannot get married before certain ages

Its interesting that the age issue was never relevant for those who attacked Muhammad over everything back in the day

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Ah, child brides, again this is cultural not religious
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So the prophet having a child bride is not religious?
OK
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The prophet was a human being, a man. May I remind you, you are talking about a time when this was also the norm, a cultural thing that use to happen in that part of the world and probably still does. This is not religion this is culture. I think you are getting mixed up between the two.

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By the way I am still yet to find anything that states Muhammad married a child.

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comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 (U15631)
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rossobianchi says WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB! -

Yes, it is condemning the treatment of women but is full of nonsense and religious propaganda that has no factual evidence behind it. Many of these cultural practices stem from religious beliefs.
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As did the Inquisition, the Crusades, the ritual slaughter of the Burmese by Buddhists, the witch hunts, the Bartholomew's Day Massacre, the Pogroms in Russia and Germany...

I am no fan of organised religion, in part because it has allowed centuries-old works of fiction to be twisted and manipulated to support the control of people.

But your point was that "things like this [have] given the left a bad rep and is making them disliked," referring to an article that condemns the mistreatment of women in modern-day autocratic Islamic regimes.

If an article, which actually tries to bring some context and evidence, works to persuade people that that under their Islamic beliefs they have an obligation to ensure the fair treatment of women, I fail to see how that's a negative.
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I think it's a negative because it's a distortion of the truth. I care about the facts first and foremost. The left can’t take a moral high ground in regards to telling the facts if they are willing to distort them just in order to be politically correct. I understand many in the left would also discredit articles such as this but similar articles can be found all across the left wing media.
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What in the article is a distortion of the truth?
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Suggesting that Muhammad was a feminist and that the religion promotes gender equality, failing to mention numerous texts and evidence that would discredit this claim...etc
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The funniest part about this is to suggest that Muhammad was a feminist and then speak of equality

feminism isnt about equality

What cannot be denied is that Muhammad did discuss and bring forth rights for women when they didnt exist. inheritance, property and voting

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And his child bride? Is this true? or has that been distorted?
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Ah, child brides, again this is cultural not religious
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So the prophet having a child bride is not religious?
OK

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Teh actions of Muhammad were indeed religious and its clear that a muslim follows the Quran (seen as the word of God) and the actions of Muhammad

As with most things around Islam today people resort to sloganism without adding the context and what the action bought forth. This can be from muslim as well as non muslim and again context can be applied here too. For example a muslim from a third world country is more than likely to be illiterate

The issue addressed with Aisha and her marriage was a huge issue at the time

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comment by Galvs. (U10415)
posted 36 seconds ago
Certain ages being?

I'm not attacking one religion here...I'm just trying to ascertain how far a seemingly rational person will go to defend their own faith... against what their own morals might forbid if religion wasn't involved.
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Fair enough, but what annoys me is that people always mix cultural things with religion. They are not the same. An Indian Muslim will have more wedding ceremonies than an Arab Muslim. Same religion different culture.

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You're talking about stuff that happened a long time ago - I'm pretty sure any historical figure you might chose to pick would have something about their life we'd find dubious now. I'm not expert on the Koran, but assuming it doesn't say "feck kids", I'm not sure how Mo's marriage is relevant.

comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 (U15631)
posted 1 minute ago
By the way I am still yet to find anything that states Muhammad married a child.
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The issue with Aisha was more than just marriage. It was the process from beginning to end that is the message that defined the rulings. People as usual get caught up on 1 bit

You are muslim right?

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Answer: they have a bit. Right aren't much better.

Internet has destroyed debate, too many trolls.

comment by Galvs. (U10415)
posted 4 minutes ago
OK which one of you has the truth ?

I'm trying to understand here.....
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The truth is the only 1. However the issue is one of general ruling and specific ruling

For example the general ruing for a muslim is Pork is not allowed. Yet there is s pecific ruling that in circumstances of starvation and risk to life Pork is allowed. Some will not eat pork and die and some will be slightly peckish and throw a hog on the BBQ. Both are wrong but will justify their stance

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