comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 (U15631)
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comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
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comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
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comment by Mourinho delenda est (U6426)
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comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
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& they all only give Charity to 'their people' and their 'mythical religion' so even in charity is is plugging divisiveness and prejudice.
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False
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it isn't false....alot of British muslims are sending money straight abroad to muslim charities over home ones.
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so "they all" is not "allot" and all religiosn are nwo Musilm?
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just one of many examples for you, don't jump on the muslim soapbox, it is one of many divisive religions
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Don't try get away from your first commentI'm standing on no soap box.

You know what you claimed, why not just say OK I was wrong in how I said that then provide your examples?
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No I made an example of a situation where people are sending money to charities abroad over home charities based on the money going to people who are the same religion over fellow British people, an example of divisiveness that comes from religion, don't try and turn it into a muslim thing to shut the debate down.
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Again this is people not religion, if you want to go out on a limb, it may be cultural, but again not religious.
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If I might just interrupt, a second ago you were telling me I had "no clue" because all charities are founded in religion? Which is it?

There was evidence that some blokes exhausted that had those names. Big whoop

comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
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comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 (U15631)
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comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
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comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
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comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
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comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
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comment by Mourinho delenda est (U6426)
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comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
posted 33 seconds ago
& they all only give Charity to 'their people' and their 'mythical religion' so even in charity is is plugging divisiveness and prejudice.
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False
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it isn't false....alot of British muslims are sending money straight abroad to muslim charities over home ones.
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so "they all" is not "allot" and all religiosn are nwo Musilm?
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just one of many examples for you, don't jump on the muslim soapbox, it is one of many divisive religions
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Don't try get away from your first commentI'm standing on no soap box.

You know what you claimed, why not just say OK I was wrong in how I said that then provide your examples?
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No I made an example of a situation where people are sending money to charities abroad over home charities based on the money going to people who are the same religion over fellow British people, an example of divisiveness that comes from religion, don't try and turn it into a muslim thing to shut the debate down.
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Again this is people not religion, if you want to go out on a limb, it may be cultural, but again not religious.
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No I'm sorry it is religious, a follower of one religion values their life over a follower of another religion or a general non-believer like me, as prejudiced and divisive as it gets.
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Again not true A regular catholic will not walk away from helping someone if they;re nto the same religion, I'd argue they don't value the life of a non catholic over the life of prwcticign one either.

If you;re talking about extermists of any religion then yeah faor enough however we're not talking about that.

comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 1 minute ago
There was evidence that some blokes exhausted that had those names. Big whoop
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Existed? Or were they just really tired?

Apologies for all they typos I type faster then I shoud and make such a mess at tiems

My autocorrect is beautiful

FFS I even messed up my sorry for the typos post

I really don't get why people get so angry about people doing something they're not doing.

It's funny, as angry athests telling people to not believe in god kind of proves my whole point that supposed religious troubles have nothing to do with the religion itself and all about people just being assh0les to each other.

comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
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comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 (U15631)
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comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
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comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
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comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
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comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
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comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
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comment by Mourinho delenda est (U6426)
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comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
posted 33 seconds ago
& they all only give Charity to 'their people' and their 'mythical religion' so even in charity is is plugging divisiveness and prejudice.
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False
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it isn't false....alot of British muslims are sending money straight abroad to muslim charities over home ones.
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so "they all" is not "allot" and all religiosn are nwo Musilm?
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just one of many examples for you, don't jump on the muslim soapbox, it is one of many divisive religions
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Don't try get away from your first commentI'm standing on no soap box.

You know what you claimed, why not just say OK I was wrong in how I said that then provide your examples?
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No I made an example of a situation where people are sending money to charities abroad over home charities based on the money going to people who are the same religion over fellow British people, an example of divisiveness that comes from religion, don't try and turn it into a muslim thing to shut the debate down.
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Again this is people not religion, if you want to go out on a limb, it may be cultural, but again not religious.
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No I'm sorry it is religious, a follower of one religion values their life over a follower of another religion or a general non-believer like me, as prejudiced and divisive as it gets.
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I cannot speak for everybody else but what I do know is that religion has always been about accepting others, regardless of what religion they are. If you look at history you will see that there have been many times when different types of religions have come together for good of man kind.

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comment by Sir Digby (U6039)
posted 2 minutes ago
There was evidence that some blokes exhausted that had those names. Big whoop
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existed and put forward an ideology, just like many people before and since. The ideology then can and did get taken by some and used for their own purposes

The issue here is now using peoples practices today as a way of knocking that ideology, when the practise is far removed form that ideology

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comment by rossobianchi says WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB! (U17054)
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comment by The Sniper (U21079)
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comment by rossobianchi says WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB! (U17054)
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comment by The Sniper (U21079)
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rossobianchi says WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB! -

Yes, it is condemning the treatment of women but is full of nonsense and religious propaganda that has no factual evidence behind it. Many of these cultural practices stem from religious beliefs.
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As did the Inquisition, the Crusades, the ritual slaughter of the Burmese by Buddhists, the witch hunts, the Bartholomew's Day Massacre, the Pogroms in Russia and Germany...

I am no fan of organised religion, in part because it has allowed centuries-old works of fiction to be twisted and manipulated to support the control of people.

But your point was that "things like this [have] given the left a bad rep and is making them disliked," referring to an article that condemns the mistreatment of women in modern-day autocratic Islamic regimes.

If an article, which actually tries to bring some context and evidence, works to persuade people that that under their Islamic beliefs they have an obligation to ensure the fair treatment of women, I fail to see how that's a negative.
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I think it's a negative because it's a distortion of the truth. I care about the facts first and foremost. The left can’t take a moral high ground in regards to telling the facts if they are willing to distort them just in order to be politically correct. I understand many in the left would also discredit articles such as this but similar articles can be found all across the left wing media.
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What in the article is a distortion of the truth?
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Suggesting that Muhammad was a feminist and that the religion promotes gender equality, failing to mention numerous texts and evidence that would discredit this claim...etc

comment by Galvs. (U10415)
posted 19 seconds ago
anyway.....after all the typos

No one is saying that good religious people are not good......
The point is that the 'religion' part of that sentence is irrelevant, because as the above said 'it's not religion; it's people'......
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Well, yeah, kinda, but it's not irrelevant if you're trying to point out to someone that "religion is evil".

^isn't

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comment by Galvs. (U10415)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 1 minute ago
I really don't get why people get so angry about people doing something they're not doing.

It's funny, as angry athests telling people to not believe in god kind of proves my whole point that supposed religious troubles have nothing to do with the religion itself and all about people just being assh0les to each other.
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There is no anger...not towards peaceful people with or without faith....
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Maybe not anger from you corner, Galv. But it is there, or at least the words are, if not the actual sentiment.

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comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
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comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
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comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 (U15631)
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comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
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comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
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comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
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comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
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comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
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comment by Mourinho delenda est (U6426)
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comment by KoemanYouBlues (U21156)
posted 33 seconds ago
& they all only give Charity to 'their people' and their 'mythical religion' so even in charity is is plugging divisiveness and prejudice.
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False
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it isn't false....alot of British muslims are sending money straight abroad to muslim charities over home ones.
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so "they all" is not "allot" and all religiosn are nwo Musilm?
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just one of many examples for you, don't jump on the muslim soapbox, it is one of many divisive religions
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Don't try get away from your first commentI'm standing on no soap box.

You know what you claimed, why not just say OK I was wrong in how I said that then provide your examples?
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No I made an example of a situation where people are sending money to charities abroad over home charities based on the money going to people who are the same religion over fellow British people, an example of divisiveness that comes from religion, don't try and turn it into a muslim thing to shut the debate down.
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Again this is people not religion, if you want to go out on a limb, it may be cultural, but again not religious.
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No I'm sorry it is religious, a follower of one religion values their life over a follower of another religion or a general non-believer like me, as prejudiced and divisive as it gets.
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Again not trueA regular catholic will not walk away from helping someone if they;re nto the same religion, I'd argue they don't value the life of a non catholic over the life of prwcticign one either.

If you;re talking about extermists of any religion then yeah faor enough however we're not talking about that.
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This is a theme in the mainstream religious texts, for those who actually care to read them and try to understand the messages they are sending.

Muhammad saidÇ

“Beware! Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, or curtails their rights, or burdens them with more than they can bear, or takes anything from them against their free will; I will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment.”

The same kind of message appears all through the Koran, Bible, Torah...

comment by The Sniper (U21079)
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comment by rossobianchi says WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB! (U17054)
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comment by The Sniper (U21079)
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comment by rossobianchi says WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB! (U17054)
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comment by The Sniper (U21079)
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rossobianchi says WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB! -

Yes, it is condemning the treatment of women but is full of nonsense and religious propaganda that has no factual evidence behind it. Many of these cultural practices stem from religious beliefs.
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As did the Inquisition, the Crusades, the ritual slaughter of the Burmese by Buddhists, the witch hunts, the Bartholomew's Day Massacre, the Pogroms in Russia and Germany...

I am no fan of organised religion, in part because it has allowed centuries-old works of fiction to be twisted and manipulated to support the control of people.

But your point was that "things like this [have] given the left a bad rep and is making them disliked," referring to an article that condemns the mistreatment of women in modern-day autocratic Islamic regimes.

If an article, which actually tries to bring some context and evidence, works to persuade people that that under their Islamic beliefs they have an obligation to ensure the fair treatment of women, I fail to see how that's a negative.
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I think it's a negative because it's a distortion of the truth. I care about the facts first and foremost. The left can’t take a moral high ground in regards to telling the facts if they are willing to distort them just in order to be politically correct. I understand many in the left would also discredit articles such as this but similar articles can be found all across the left wing media.
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What in the article is a distortion of the truth?
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Suggesting that Muhammad was a feminist and that the religion promotes gender equality, failing to mention numerous texts and evidence that would discredit this claim...etc
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The funniest part about this is to suggest that Muhammad was a feminist and then speak of equality

feminism isnt about equality

What cannot be denied is that Muhammad did discuss and bring forth rights for women when they didnt exist. inheritance, property and voting

As MUDD was basically saying above, people and power structures are the problem, not books and belief.

comment by Galvs. (U10415)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 1 minute ago
I really don't get why people get so angry about people doing something they're not doing.

It's funny, as angry athests telling people to not believe in god kind of proves my whole point that supposed religious troubles have nothing to do with the religion itself and all about people just being assh0les to each other.
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There is no anger...not towards peaceful people with or without faith....
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The anger for religion is there and plain to see.

comment by Galvs. (U10415)
posted 6 minutes ago
anyway.....after all the typos

No one is saying that good religious people are not good......
The point is that the 'religion' part of that sentence is irrelevant, because as the above said 'it's not religion; it's people'......
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But it's only irrelevant to you Galv based on your beliefs, that's the poitn I'm trying to make.

And I don't think it's fair to simply dismiss these peoples beliefs when they only use these beliefs to try be better people.

you don't think they need religion to do this, but they do, and I'm struggling to see why this is such a bad thing in your opinion.

comment by Zlatanariyan (U19849)
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comment by The Sniper (U21079)
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comment by rossobianchi says WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB! (U17054)
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comment by The Sniper (U21079)
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comment by rossobianchi says WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB! (U17054)
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comment by The Sniper (U21079)
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rossobianchi says WUBBA LUBBA DUB DUB! -

Yes, it is condemning the treatment of women but is full of nonsense and religious propaganda that has no factual evidence behind it. Many of these cultural practices stem from religious beliefs.
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As did the Inquisition, the Crusades, the ritual slaughter of the Burmese by Buddhists, the witch hunts, the Bartholomew's Day Massacre, the Pogroms in Russia and Germany...

I am no fan of organised religion, in part because it has allowed centuries-old works of fiction to be twisted and manipulated to support the control of people.

But your point was that "things like this [have] given the left a bad rep and is making them disliked," referring to an article that condemns the mistreatment of women in modern-day autocratic Islamic regimes.

If an article, which actually tries to bring some context and evidence, works to persuade people that that under their Islamic beliefs they have an obligation to ensure the fair treatment of women, I fail to see how that's a negative.
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I think it's a negative because it's a distortion of the truth. I care about the facts first and foremost. The left can’t take a moral high ground in regards to telling the facts if they are willing to distort them just in order to be politically correct. I understand many in the left would also discredit articles such as this but similar articles can be found all across the left wing media.
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What in the article is a distortion of the truth?
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Suggesting that Muhammad was a feminist and that the religion promotes gender equality, failing to mention numerous texts and evidence that would discredit this claim...etc
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The funniest part about this is to suggest that Muhammad was a feminist and then speak of equality

feminism isnt about equality

What cannot be denied is that Muhammad did discuss and bring forth rights for women when they didnt exist. inheritance, property and voting

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Feminism is, by definition, about equality. You cannot be more wrong about that.

comment by Galvs. (U10415)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by Galvs. (U10415)
posted 19 seconds ago
anyway.....after all the typos

No one is saying that good religious people are not good......
The point is that the 'religion' part of that sentence is irrelevant, because as the above said 'it's not religion; it's people'......
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Well, yeah, kinda, but it's not irrelevant if you're trying to point out to someone that "religion is evil".
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A good person wont do evil/bad things.
God is not needed for this is all I say.
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I said exactly that half an hour ago. No argument here.