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posted on 1/1/19

Poch is a very good manager Greg, that's why people want him. Though I would go for Blanc if Ole proves not good enough.

comment by Prem (U7618)

posted on 1/1/19

I'm starting to grow on Ole.

At first i was unsure, but under the current set up he really is changing the fortunes of the squad.

He isn't a big name manager in the elite world of football, but he is assured about his own beliefs and the forward thinking - no pun intended.

posted on 1/1/19

There is absoultely no guarantee poch will do well here. None.

If it comes to it, and I mean ole doing very well, why break up ole from the team when he has us playing well, and winning? It would be stupid.but that’s what woodward and co are known for being when it comes to football.

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posted on 1/1/19

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comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 1/1/19

comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)

posted 5 minutes ago

comment by Elvis (U7425) 
posted 1 minute ago
I think Poch would be a good fit but he hasn't won anything. What Ole has done at Molde shouldn't be discounted.
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I think the consistency he’s brought to Spurs in both the league and the CL in terms of qualification is pretty much a trophy in itself. Certainly a better achievement than what Ole did at Molde 
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Ole took a team that had never won the title in its 100 year history, that had just finished 11th, and that was tipped to be relegated, and won the league in his first season. Then he won it again the following season. As well as winning a cup. I'm sure the bookies would have priced the odds if him achieving what he did higher than than what Poch has done.

posted on 1/1/19

think the consistency he’s brought to Spurs in both the league and the CL in terms of qualification is pretty much a trophy in itself. Certainly a better achievement than what Ole did at Molde



Means very little. Poch could spectacularly fail here..

posted on 1/1/19

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)

posted 5 minutes ago

comment by Elvis (U7425) 
posted 1 minute ago
I think Poch would be a good fit but he hasn't won anything. What Ole has done at Molde shouldn't be discounted.
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I think the consistency he’s brought to Spurs in both the league and the CL in terms of qualification is pretty much a trophy in itself. Certainly a better achievement than what Ole did at Molde 
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Ole took a team that had never won the title in its 100 year history, that had just finished 11th, and that was tipped to be relegated, and won the league in his first season. Then he won it again the following season. As well as winning a cup. I'm sure the bookies would have priced the odds if him achieving what he did higher than than what Poch has done.
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He also got sacked at Cardiff

I’ve no doubt he’s got something about him and if he can get United into the top 4 this season I would be happy to see him be given a chance

But Poch has achieved more with this Spurs side than people seem to realise. I do call him a bottler and maybe that’s the case but Poch ticks a lot of boxes that scream future United manager

posted on 1/1/19

comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)

posted 5 minutes ago

comment by Elvis (U7425) 
posted 1 minute ago
I think Poch would be a good fit but he hasn't won anything. What Ole has done at Molde shouldn't be discounted.
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I think the consistency he’s brought to Spurs in both the league and the CL in terms of qualification is pretty much a trophy in itself. Certainly a better achievement than what Ole did at Molde 
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Ole took a team that had never won the title in its 100 year history, that had just finished 11th, and that was tipped to be relegated, and won the league in his first season. Then he won it again the following season. As well as winning a cup. I'm sure the bookies would have priced the odds if him achieving what he did higher than than what Poch has done.
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He also got sacked at Cardiff

I’ve no doubt he’s got something about him and if he can get United into the top 4 this season I would be happy to see him be given a chance

But Poch has achieved more with this Spurs side than people seem to realise. I do call him a bottler and maybe that’s the case but Poch ticks a lot of boxes that scream future United manager
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Robb, are you ed in disguise?

comment by Prem (U7618)

posted on 1/1/19

The one concern i have with Poch is, how would he handle under intense pressure at a fishbowl club like United.

Hypothetical scenario question...

How would Poch handle this - United 2/3 points ahead of their nearest competitors at the top of the league and there is 4 games to go?

He's been used to chasing the leading pack all this time. I don't want to get into quarrels about him falling short, just highlighting a point.

posted on 1/1/19

It’ll be Poch vs Ole in 11 days!

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 1/1/19

Fergie only won things with Aberdeen (maybe St Mirren too?) in Scotland before we got him.

Just because Ole has only won at Molde doesn't make him a better or worse manager than he is. Every manager starts somewhere, this should be treated at a job interview.

If he smashes it, who better for us to take on?

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 1/1/19

comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 1 minute ago
It’ll be Poch vs Ole in 11 days!
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Potchs team vs Jose's team though.

Even if we had guaridola come in two weeks ago I wouldn't expect a win.

If we do win, it would be an incredible result. If we are competitive I will be happy.

posted on 1/1/19

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
Fergie only won things with Aberdeen (maybe St Mirren too?) in Scotland before we got him.

Just because Ole has only won at Molde doesn't make him a better or worse manager than he is. Every manager starts somewhere, this should be treated at a job interview.

If he smashes it, who better for us to take on?

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I don’t think a single person on here would begrudge Ole a permanent role if he smashes it this season.

But Poch has shown himself to be a brilliant manager and I just think he has more to him than Ole

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 1/1/19

comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)

posted 5 minutes ago

comment by Elvis (U7425) 
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)

posted 5 minutes ago

comment by Elvis (U7425) 
posted 1 minute ago
I think Poch would be a good fit but he hasn't won anything. What Ole has done at Molde shouldn't be discounted.
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I think the consistency he’s brought to Spurs in both the league and the CL in terms of qualification is pretty much a trophy in itself. Certainly a better achievement than what Ole did at Molde 
--------

Ole took a team that had never won the title in its 100 year history, that had just finished 11th, and that was tipped to be relegated, and won the league in his first season. Then he won it again the following season. As well as winning a cup. I'm sure the bookies would have priced the odds if him achieving what he did higher than than what Poch has done.
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He also got sacked at Cardiff

I’ve no doubt he’s got something about him and if he can get United into the top 4 this season I would be happy to see him be given a chance 

But Poch has achieved more with this Spurs side than people seem to realise. I do call him a bottler and maybe that’s the case but Poch ticks a lot of boxes that scream future United manager
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The Cardiff job was a bad move. The club was in turmoil with the owner apparently trying to pick the team before Mackay left. He should have stayed away from it.

Poch has done a good job at Spurs. If he gets the job then id be happy with him. But I don't think he has done any more than Ole. And Ole has shown then he can handle the pressure when it is squeeky bum time and get his team over the line and win a trophy. Poch hasn't.

comment by Prem (U7618)

posted on 1/1/19

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
Fergie only won things with Aberdeen (maybe St Mirren too?) in Scotland before we got him.

Just because Ole has only won at Molde doesn't make him a better or worse manager than he is. Every manager starts somewhere, this should be treated at a job interview.

If he smashes it, who better for us to take on?

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SAF had the audacity to break up the duopoly of the Old Firm. It was almost unheard of how anyone dared to challenge them back then in a period amongst many other periods where it was always one or the other winning the league.

Although it did take SAF an uncomfortable while to get things rolling, his credibility shone through afterwards. But that was back in an era when the pressure (financial side) was much less, and more based on pride.

I'm not saying Poch wouldn't succeed at United, but the biggest tests will be when it is the biggest tests. How will he fare?

With Ole, we're just enjoying the free flowing ride at the moment. There is no guarantee that Ole will become successful at United neither. But he has the United foundations drilled into him, and he's trying his best to lead United back up to where we belong.

posted on 1/1/19

Certainly a better achievement than what Ole did at Molde

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No it isn't.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 1/1/19

comment by Prem (U7618)

posted 8 minutes ago

The one concern i have with Poch is, how would he handle under intense pressure at a fishbowl club like United.

Hypothetical scenario question...

How would Poch handle this - United 2/3 points ahead of their nearest competitors at the top of the league and there is 4 games to go? 

He's been used to chasing the leading pack all this time. I don't want to get into quarrels about him falling short, just highlighting a point.
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A fair point. Ole understands the pressure associated with United and has delivered on the biggest stage, albeit as a player.

posted on 1/1/19

comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Greg- (U1192)
posted 9 minutes ago
The whole poch thing annoys the fack out of me to be honest.

If united werent a useless heap of shiet the past year and if arsenal stopped pissing about as well as Chelsea, spurs really wouldnt get a look in the top 4 considering liverpool are now one of the best teams in the league.
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So if Poch hadn’t turned Spurs into a better team than Arsenal it Chelsea over the last few years Spurs wouldn’t be finishing above them? You’re talking out of your arrsehole mate, go and have a lay down.
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Are Spurs a better team though?
Or have united just been garbage, and Chelsea and arsenal.
United came second last year.... that alone shows how poor the other clubs were

You need to start thinking with your little brain Ace rather than believing the hype of spurs and the precious poch.

posted on 1/1/19

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 33 seconds ago
Certainly a better achievement than what Ole did at Molde

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No it isn't.
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Poch has Spurs qualifying every season for the CL, doing to places like Dortmund and winning, outplaying Barcelona in their own backyard, beating Real, smashing United and Liverpool and having the second best away record in all of Europe in 2018

And to add to that he had zero money to spend this summer just gone

I have doubts about his ability to bottle but how much of that is down to having to play home games at Wembley every week and zero money to spend? Even with that they’re ahead of City as we speak

Brilliant manager

posted on 1/1/19

Poch hasn't won anything Nobb.

Until he does anything he has done with Spurs will be of little consequence.

You take Ole's spell at Cardiff and use it to beat him with. I look at the positives instead which has him winning stuff with Molde, a team no one had heard of until we bought him from them.

posted on 1/1/19

comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 33 seconds ago
Certainly a better achievement than what Ole did at Molde

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No it isn't.
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Poch has Spurs qualifying every season for the CL, doing to places like Dortmund and winning, outplaying Barcelona in their own backyard, beating Real, smashing United and Liverpool and having the second best away record in all of Europe in 2018

And to add to that he had zero money to spend this summer just gone

I have doubts about his ability to bottle but how much of that is down to having to play home games at Wembley every week and zero money to spend? Even with that they’re ahead of City as we speak

Brilliant manager
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He also in a league surrounded by money, even if spurs haven’t spent as much as competitors.

I’d like to see how he’d do if in ole’s shoes in molde. Who knows?

There is no guarantee poch will be good here..

Ole has actually won more than him..

posted on 1/1/19


Until he does anything he has done with Spurs will be of little consequence
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One of the dumbest things you’ve ever said so well done

comment by Prem (U7618)

posted on 1/1/19

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Prem (U7618)

posted 8 minutes ago

The one concern i have with Poch is, how would he handle under intense pressure at a fishbowl club like United.

Hypothetical scenario question...

How would Poch handle this - United 2/3 points ahead of their nearest competitors at the top of the league and there is 4 games to go? 

He's been used to chasing the leading pack all this time. I don't want to get into quarrels about him falling short, just highlighting a point.
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A fair point. Ole understands the pressure associated with United and has delivered on the biggest stage, albeit as a player.
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Yes Ole does, even if it was experienced as a player.

But Ole was always one of the smart players that took notice of what the opposition did. Obviously Poch is a smart manager, but with all the clubs he has managed, he has always been an 'almost manager'.

Maybe he needs the better players to achieve the promised land?

One thing i should also highlight is, how would Poch handle certain players with big egos?

As far i know he has never had that experience yet. Yes he has players who have matured on the big stage, but they were always players that he had nurtured and therefore that mutual respect would be present.

If fortunes changed for the worse at United, how would Poch try to change the mindset of a big status player?

posted on 1/1/19

comment by baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 33 seconds ago
Certainly a better achievement than what Ole did at Molde

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No it isn't.
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Poch has Spurs qualifying every season for the CL, doing to places like Dortmund and winning, outplaying Barcelona in their own backyard, beating Real, smashing United and Liverpool and having the second best away record in all of Europe in 2018

And to add to that he had zero money to spend this summer just gone

I have doubts about his ability to bottle but how much of that is down to having to play home games at Wembley every week and zero money to spend? Even with that they’re ahead of City as we speak

Brilliant manager
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He also in a league surrounded by money, even if spurs haven’t spent as much as competitors.

I’d like to see how he’d do if in ole’s shoes in molde. Who knows?

There is no guarantee poch will be good here..

Ole has actually won more than him..
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Poch has spent absolutely nothing this summer and is ahead of City in the table and qualified for the next round of the CL

That in itself is a great achievement

As for Molde, Poch is exactly the type of manager you’d expect to go to Molde and get players playing better than they do under other coaches

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posted on 1/1/19

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