Who had the better season?

Chelsea. They won the FA Cup, Spurs won nothing.

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The CL stuff is irrelevant?

That is the holy grail of club football.

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More in the crux of the debate. The true achievement is qualifying for the CL ahead of two clubs who miss out and who often outspend them


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Okay, but my point still stands though.

Winning any domestic cup will never be as good as winning one of the cups in Europe. However, if the team that constantly 'makes up the numbers' and fails everything else against another team who occasionally missed out on the elite CL. Then all all that penny pinching would have been sacrificed for what exactly?
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Depends on the side

For United it would be seen as a relative failure

For a club like Spurs, constantly finishing in the top 2 or top 3 (as spurs have done for the past 3/4 seasons and probably will this season) it’s actually a great achievement considering how little they spend
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I get that with Spurs' status. And i get that they are trying to elevate their own status with the current consistent high finishes coupled with an upcoming bigger stadium.

But when they are trying to compete with their rivals who spend more, they have to realise that the'll always be at a disadvantage where it matters. And with the ballooning stadium costs affecting their player expenditures they can only ever huff and puff so much before they run out of steam, all while the others collect some honourable silverware amidst this imaginary Top 4 trophy.
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Well, last season is case in point

Chelsea finished 5th and won the fa cup.

Spurs finished 3rd and won nothing but performed immensely well in the CL

Who had the better season?
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Chelsea. They won a trophy.

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comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
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The CL stuff is irrelevant?

That is the holy grail of club football.

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More in the crux of the debate. The true achievement is qualifying for the CL ahead of two clubs who miss out and who often outspend them


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Okay, but my point still stands though.

Winning any domestic cup will never be as good as winning one of the cups in Europe. However, if the team that constantly 'makes up the numbers' and fails everything else against another team who occasionally missed out on the elite CL. Then all all that penny pinching would have been sacrificed for what exactly?
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Depends on the side

For United it would be seen as a relative failure

For a club like Spurs, constantly finishing in the top 2 or top 3 (as spurs have done for the past 3/4 seasons and probably will this season) it’s actually a great achievement considering how little they spend
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I get that with Spurs' status. And i get that they are trying to elevate their own status with the current consistent high finishes coupled with an upcoming bigger stadium.

But when they are trying to compete with their rivals who spend more, they have to realise that the'll always be at a disadvantage where it matters. And with the ballooning stadium costs affecting their player expenditures they can only ever huff and puff so much before they run out of steam, all while the others collect some honourable silverware amidst this imaginary Top 4 trophy.
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Well, last season is case in point

Chelsea finished 5th and won the fa cup.

Spurs finished 3rd and won nothing but performed immensely well in the CL

Who had the better season?
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In terms of success - Chelsea because they won something. In terms of achievement then Spurs.

But this is the thing, Chelsea are capable of getting top 4 while at times they may miss out on it but still manage to win a cup. The problem is, if Spurs miss out on the top 4 they are still incapable of winning a domestic cup.
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But Poch has only missed out on CL football once - in his first season. Since then he’s finished 3rd, 2nd and 3rd and this season is currently 2nd

Considering the likes of City and Liverpool are spending insane amounts of money that is a great achievement

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Who had the better season?

Chelsea. They won the FA Cup, Spurs won nothing.
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Which shows once again how small minded you are

To be fair at big clubs like Chelsea and Man Utd winning the fa cup but no CL is a sackable offense no matter how close you got to CL football.

I can see Man Utd winning the CL this season to qualify for it next season.

The lack of trophies are a legitimate concern with Pochettino. But it’s worth noting he’s managing Tottenham.

Who had the better season?

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Everyone, it appears, than Nobb_Better.

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Are we seriously comparing Pochettino and Redknapp?
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Apparently so

Elvis thinks he knows better than every Spurs supporter
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It is you that has. assumed to know what every spurs supported thinks. I have made no claim that I do. Projecting as usual. I merely asked what Poch has achieved more than Harry. Both managers progressed the team from where they started, developed some players and played attractive football. Neither won anything. One of them managed to make the CL quarter finals.
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Poch has done far more to develop a squad of footballers all signed up to a philosophy on how to play football and on very little money too. He’s kept them competitive when playing in an alien stadium for a couple of seasons and has them being insanely consistent in a way that spurs under Harry were
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And yet Harry managed to get to the CL quarter finals but Poch can't get past the RO16.

I want OGS to stay. That is the new trend in choosing managers as in ex players but most importantly he has had success in managing attacking teams and knows Man Utd inside out and managed the reserves and got a lot of knowledge from SAF.

I can see him being our first long term manager since SAF.

comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)

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Robb did you know Poch got less points than LVG in 2 seasons they competed in PL and had a worse h2h and won nothing vs LVG 1 trophy.
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comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026) 
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Are we seriously comparing Pochettino and Redknapp?
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Apparently so

Elvis thinks he knows better than every Spurs supporter
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It is you that has. assumed to know what every spurs supported thinks. I have made no claim that I do. Projecting as usual. I merely asked what Poch has achieved more than Harry. Both managers progressed the team from where they started, developed some players and played attractive football. Neither won anything. One of them managed to make the CL quarter finals.
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Poch has done far more to develop a squad of footballers all signed up to a philosophy on how to play football and on very little money too. He’s kept them competitive when playing in an alien stadium for a couple of seasons and has them being insanely consistent in a way that spurs under Harry were
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And yet Harry managed to get to the CL quarter finals but Poch can't get past the RO16.
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One faced a shiiit AC Milan side and the other faced a very good Juventus side

Then Harry’s Spurs were humiliated by a not great Real side in the next round

Which shows once again how small minded you are

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Don't ask the question if the answer isn't going to be something you don't like.

You are having another Trump like tantrum.

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comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
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comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
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The CL stuff is irrelevant?

That is the holy grail of club football.

————

More in the crux of the debate. The true achievement is qualifying for the CL ahead of two clubs who miss out and who often outspend them


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Okay, but my point still stands though.

Winning any domestic cup will never be as good as winning one of the cups in Europe. However, if the team that constantly 'makes up the numbers' and fails everything else against another team who occasionally missed out on the elite CL. Then all all that penny pinching would have been sacrificed for what exactly?
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Depends on the side

For United it would be seen as a relative failure

For a club like Spurs, constantly finishing in the top 2 or top 3 (as spurs have done for the past 3/4 seasons and probably will this season) it’s actually a great achievement considering how little they spend
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I get that with Spurs' status. And i get that they are trying to elevate their own status with the current consistent high finishes coupled with an upcoming bigger stadium.

But when they are trying to compete with their rivals who spend more, they have to realise that the'll always be at a disadvantage where it matters. And with the ballooning stadium costs affecting their player expenditures they can only ever huff and puff so much before they run out of steam, all while the others collect some honourable silverware amidst this imaginary Top 4 trophy.
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Well, last season is case in point

Chelsea finished 5th and won the fa cup.

Spurs finished 3rd and won nothing but performed immensely well in the CL

Who had the better season?
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In terms of success - Chelsea because they won something. In terms of achievement then Spurs.

But this is the thing, Chelsea are capable of getting top 4 while at times they may miss out on it but still manage to win a cup. The problem is, if Spurs miss out on the top 4 they are still incapable of winning a domestic cup.
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But Poch has only missed out on CL football once - in his first season. Since then he’s finished 3rd, 2nd and 3rd and this season is currently 2nd

Considering the likes of City and Liverpool are spending insane amounts of money that is a great achievement
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Yes, like i said they have made great progress considering the outlay in spending comparisons. But it is the ability/mentality to win when it matters that separates a big club from a 'almost club'.

Spurs could finish in the top 3 for 10 years and not win anything, compared to lets say Chelsea who for example finish in the top 5 with 4 titles and 4 domestic cups in that time frame.

Then for all of Spurs' might, they wouldn't be seen as one the real threats to any silverware. Just an 'almost' club. And Chelsea would take all the real plaudits.

In fairness, AC Milan weren’t as good as this Juve side.

'Is going to be'

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comment by Vidicschin (U3584) 
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Who had the better season?

Chelsea. They won the FA Cup, Spurs won nothing.
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Which shows once again how small minded you are
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I think it shows that you are out of touch with most football fans. The trophy comes first.

Then Harry’s Spurs were humiliated by a not great Real side in the next round
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lol that Real Madrid side were close to the CL final with better luck.

Spurs could take a leaf out of Juve's book in how to be frugal with expenditure (in general) and remain successful.

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Which shows once again how small minded you are

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Don't ask the question if the answer isn't going to be something you don't like.

You are having another Trump like tantrum.
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Am I having a tantrum? Weird, I’m pretty chilled

You look at a trophy and think that tells the whole story of a season. I saw a very poor Chelsea side play poorly for most of the season and then pick up a trophy that didn’t really do much to elevate the side

Then I saw a Spurs side who didn’t win a trophy but played great stuff and proved themselves against the very best in the CL and get their fans excited about what was to come


Ironically on an article on short termism I’m seeing the vast majority of united supporters on here trying to look a short term gains as the be all and end all when what poch is doing at Spurs is exactly the type of long term management that these same united supporters claim to want

comment by Ed The King Woodward (U10026)
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In fairness, AC Milan weren’t as good as this Juve side.
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Jose just beat this Juve side.

See, any one can do this.

Ironically on an article on short termism I’m seeing the vast majority of united supporters on here trying to look a short term gains as the be all and end all when what poch is doing at Spurs is exactly the type of long term management that these same united supporters claim to want
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This is a fair point, actually. Pochettino’s ability to build a team and develop them over the longer term, especially with youngsters, is one of the most appealing things about appointing him.

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comment by Vidicschin (U3584) 
posted 22 seconds ago
Which shows once again how small minded you are

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Don't ask the question if the answer isn't going to be something you don't like.

You are having another Trump like tantrum.
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Am I having a tantrum? Weird, I’m pretty chilled 

You look at a trophy and think that tells the whole story of a season. I saw a very poor Chelsea side play poorly for most of the season and then pick up a trophy that didn’t really do much to elevate the side

Then I saw a Spurs side who didn’t win a trophy but played great stuff and proved themselves against the very best in the CL and get their fans excited about what was to come 


Ironically on an article on short termism I’m seeing the vast majority of united supporters on here trying to look a short term gains as the be all and end all when what poch is doing at Spurs is exactly the type of long term management that these same united supporters claim to want
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Classic moving of the goalposts. You said that 4th place is a trophy. It isn't. The FA Cup is a trophy. Chelsea had the better season and that is what the record books will show.

Robb Poch has been very lucky this season. They haven't played great but won a lot of games they have been poor in. This is like the worst season in performances under Poch but getting lots of undeserved wins has made them look good. Having lethal finishing with a keeper that stops near certain goals has Spurs riding really high.

You look at a trophy and think that tells the whole story of a season.

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Not true. Stop telling lies.

What it does tell you is who won what.

comment by Robb Ferguson (U21234)
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comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 22 seconds ago
Which shows once again how small minded you are

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Don't ask the question if the answer isn't going to be something you don't like.

You are having another Trump like tantrum.
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Am I having a tantrum? Weird, I’m pretty chilled

You look at a trophy and think that tells the whole story of a season. I saw a very poor Chelsea side play poorly for most of the season and then pick up a trophy that didn’t really do much to elevate the side

Then I saw a Spurs side who didn’t win a trophy but played great stuff and proved themselves against the very best in the CL and get their fans excited about what was to come


Ironically on an article on short termism I’m seeing the vast majority of united supporters on here trying to look a short term gains as the be all and end all when what poch is doing at Spurs is exactly the type of long term management that these same united supporters claim to want
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But Poch is being held back by cheapskate Levy.

And then you have the mental block of the squad.

While it is good to have a long term planning to build for a better future, how long is that wait going to be? He's already been building for what - 4/5 seasons now?