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Who are you all voting for then, come on?

I'm predicting a well-hung parliament. As in, it's gonna be even more split than last time.

Hoping for a surprise Labour majority though. Can't have the tories running a muck for another 5 years for fΓΊcks sakes.

If you need any more reasons as to why you should not be voting Tory (which you shouldn't), please visit my twitter account @thedailybmuk
There should be more than enough information there. Yes, this thread is biased

posted 10 hours, 13 minutes ago

comment by The Black Hawk War, or, How to Demolish an Entire Civilization and Still Feel Good About Yourself in the Morning (U16342)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
Going down the rabbit hole of interpretation - for me the bible will interpreted relative to those who hold "power". It's worth noting that "power" in this case is not a conspiracy, or particularly negative.

NPE's belief that what is taught these days, is influenced by a particular ideology of our time. He uses the term multiculturalism - I'm personally not a fan of the term, as it's a little loaded.

I would prefer the term "liberalism"; I tend to agree though that our interpretation of the bible has changed due to this particular ideology. Or at least in the case of many people. This would be also true of people in the past - living under feudalism, and we've seen the bible more generally used to justify many societal norms.

Personally, I'm liberal in a sense, but I do believe it's important to shine a light on this power dichotomy, mostly because we know how knowledge and ideas are not fixed.
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Good post Hawk....and nice to see you use that name again.

Am easily confused and could have insulted you, not knowing who you were.

9nly half joking as I say stuff to folk who if we did not know each other, could lead to all sorts of issues.😊😊

posted 10 hours, 10 minutes ago

comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 45 minutes ago
Shipping is an interesting world

The tanker that was seized was under our flag but the company owning it were Swedish and the crew all international (mostly Russian)
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Truly internationalist, capitalist and globalist.

Insured by Lloyds, facing pirates from Somalia, South China sea ship seizures against UN laws, and western nucleur subs off the coast of middle eastern countries who then send crack army teams to Nick a ship in international water going about their lawful business.

posted 9 hours, 58 minutes ago

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 6 hours, 6 minutes ago
Interesting to not in the Times today that a number of European countries are increasingly making behind the scenes moves to broker a far more palatable deal now that a no deal risk is even greater under Boris whilst admiring that indeed for themselves is far more damaging and chaotic than previously acknowledged.

Meanwhile our only “hand grenade” as it was referred to is still being seen as something many in parliament are prepared to give away to the point of bringing down the government and leader that they will in one party vote in on Tuesday.

Who knows what will transpire as ever but you would be forgiven to believe that now some feel that the UK being prepared to actually leave with no deal for the first time ever as opposed to an empty “threat” it has actually brought them back to the table.

Interesting.
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Good post.

Fear of no deal works wonders.

Alternative arrangements put forward by Coveney on Marr....border checks are now being arranged over here.....by the Irish side fearing no deal.

So we can have checks after all....just on the southern side???

Hmmm.

And no civil war republican Armageddon.

That changed quickly.
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Not so sure if the reliability of this Times article as member states have not, and do not negotiate individually.

Whilst it's politically difficult for both sides to admit it, the EU's enforcement checks (especially SPS) are required to be completed at the border.

https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/customs-controls/safety-health-environment-customs-controls/sanitary-phytosanitary-requirements_en
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They of course have to agree anything as a bloc of 27 but when read alongside the article on French fears does raise the possibility that perhaps pragmatism will prevail. I hope so.
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Hope so too....

For all our sakes.

Compromise between the UK and eu is seen as a dirty word, but with such a complex and potentially dangerous situation rolling towards the unknown, we all need assurance.

Do not give the new ra boys an excuse to kick off, and do not ruin economies in the UK, Ireland and eu with stubborn positioning red line bollox....and that relates to London, Brussels and Dublin...Tories, dup, SF and
ERG.

Remember who elected you and why you are in jobs...to serve.

Peace and out.πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚

posted 9 hours, 38 minutes ago

Funny what happens when we know someone will definitely go for no deal. One of those situations like nuclear deterrent where knowing someone definitely will something makes it far less likely to happen. No deal preparations should have been done from the start instead of 3 wasted years saying No deal is better than a bad deal to the public and saying no deal will never happen to the EU. No deal preparation is a small price to pay for the much bigger likelihood of leaving with a good deal.

comment by Hector (U3606)

posted 9 hours, 14 minutes ago

Preparations should have started before triggering A50.

Knowing what we wanted before starting the process would have saved a lot if bother, would have brought people along, would have stopped us looking like fcuknig clueless panicking imbeciles.

The EU aren't talking about reopening the WA, they're talking about possible changes to the political declaration.

posted 7 hours, 27 minutes ago

Canada has been in negotiations with EU for 10+/- years on CETA. Champagne corks flying the other day because 50% of EU countries have signed off
These things take years even decades to get agreement.
Even then you can have a guy like Trump come in and gut it like he did with NAFTA. Then when you think that's going well, he throws the Buy America clause up to 95% (Government contracts at all levels.)

I think a lot of leave people may might just regret their wishes coming true.





TBBAB, so you're a libertarian?
I'm more of a libertine.

posted 6 hours, 38 minutes ago

Preparations should have started at the beginning for No Deal. Even if you don’t want it maybe the EU would have pushed us toward that you never know!

The EU stopped believing we’d go for No Deal (if they ever did) and stopped believing that Parliament would accept any form of brexit.

As a result they came to the conclusion this was a domestic battle. They realised May isn’t the person they are negotiating with or her government reps. It was parliament that had 650 versions of brexit.

Why would the EU want to continue negotiations with a party that doesn’t have a clear united vision of what it wants?

I think if the new PM could form a United brexit plan then they may actually consider reopening it. But that won’t happen

comment by Hector (U3606)

posted 5 hours, 20 minutes ago

It's wrong to say there was 650 different versions within Parliament. The majority are Remain.

The Tories failure is in their refusal to consult. It was the red lines that restricted any form of consensus.
3 years down the line and the best we can do is play the role of wrecking ball, everybody hurts and then we expect the EU to go into trade talks with a clean sheet and no recriminations.

Whatever good will still remains with our European partners will evaporate when our behaviour causes job losses and severe disruption across the continent.

The UK is meant to be a mature, serious country. Why are we jeapordizing decades long alliances and economic growth for intangibles?

Other countries, China and Iran at the moment, see we'rd weakening ourselves and are taking the pizz, the won't be the last.

posted 5 hours, 8 minutes ago

comment by πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ Emperor Kami πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§πŸ‡¬πŸ‡§ (U9880)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
Preparations should have started at the beginning for No Deal. Even if you don’t want it maybe the EU would have pushed us toward that you never know!

The EU stopped believing we’d go for No Deal (if they ever did) and stopped believing that Parliament would accept any form of brexit.

As a result they came to the conclusion this was a domestic battle. They realised May isn’t the person they are negotiating with or her government reps. It was parliament that had 650 versions of brexit.

Why would the EU want to continue negotiations with a party that doesn’t have a clear united vision of what it wants?

I think if the new PM could form a United brexit plan then they may actually consider reopening it. But that won’t happen
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There's only so many things the government could plan for.

Iain Duncan Smith was on Marr this morning confidently proclaiming there were now "17" agreements in place with the EU in the event of no deal. And therefore the widespread forecasts of economic ruin were wide of the mark.

What he didn't say, is that these arrangements are short term (up to 3/6 months) continuity agreements which barely touch the surface.

posted 3 hours, 6 minutes ago

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
It's wrong to say there was 650 different versions within Parliament. The majority are Remain.

The Tories failure is in their refusal to consult. It was the red lines that restricted any form of consensus.
3 years down the line and the best we can do is play the role of wrecking ball, everybody hurts and then we expect the EU to go into trade talks with a clean sheet and no recriminations.

Whatever good will still remains with our European partners will evaporate when our behaviour causes job losses and severe disruption across the continent.

The UK is meant to be a mature, serious country. Why are we jeapordizing decades long alliances and economic growth for intangibles?

Other countries, China and Iran at the moment, see we'rd weakening ourselves and are taking the pizz, the won't be the last.
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I know there aren’t actually 650 different versions, just making the point everyone has a different mindset of what they want albeit remain or leave.

The fact is there are MPs out there who have campaigned for years or decades for Brexit. They have formed their own idea or dream of brexit. The deal that may negotiated with the EU doesn’t match their dream and therefore they vote against it.

Both sides need to find a compromise yet both are hardening towards either hard leave or remain.

No one is prepared to meet in the middle like in most other ideas as this is such a big important issue for people.

If we leave with no deal it could potentially harm this country’s economy and what’s left of our reputation internationally

If we have a second referendum many will see it as ignoring democracy and public faith in the system will he lost.

If we accept the deal then everyone will be living in a situation neither party want.

As a result, the government now need to make a decision where they will anger one or several groups of people.

This division will not be settled for years whether we leave or remain

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