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posted on 20/1/14

I am British DJ, at no point did I mention the USA in my initial comment or poke my tongue out going nah nah nah nah!
Fletcher acted like a yob, I likened it as such.

You then made it about the USA, not me, your comment developed the argument.
You could have said something simple like ' bit harsh cinci', to which I would likely have said 'yeah maybe a little'.......but you didn't, you went on the offensive.

Anyway, pointless going on, my apologies to anyone who got cheesed off with it

posted on 20/1/14

You could have said something simple like ' bit harsh cinci'

Yes I could but what I chose to say was that it was an unprovoked and totally senseless and false insult about the UK - which is what it was

to which I would likely have said 'yeah maybe a little - yes you could which would have shown a total disregard and disrespect to everyone who reacted to your comments

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posted on 20/1/14

Aaaaaand you're off...

"So you quite literally have not heard of terms like broken Britain ulf? Seen the news show where it is discussed time and again?"

Have you heard the term flying saucer Cinci? The existence of words or terms doesn't prove the existence of what they signify.

What news show are you talking about? Time and time again? Seriously, what the hell are you talking about? You're just spouting nonsense...if there is a talk show which discusses your "broken Britain", does that make it a reality? Obviously, quite clearly not. Where are you getting all these things from? Where's your evidence?

Haven't you seen the news shows that talk about Britain being like the garden of Eden that are on all the time and talked about a million times unless you live under a rock? You know, the one that everybody talks about and knows.

Just please, for once, make a reasoned argument or show some evidence and don't rely on making up stuff or, if it is true, placing enormous weight on quite insignificant things.

I don't love Britain at all but the idea that you can't walk the streets for gangs making mayhem is absolute nonsense.

posted on 20/1/14

posted on 20/1/14

There's good and bad in all countries. The internet gets abused by people like Fletch, Leslie Grantham etc., but it is useful overall, and a fantastic utility. As well as keeping up with pals on forums, Facebook, Twitter etc, it's amazing what you learn.

Apparently in Italy a nun has had a baby. Good luck to the mother and child of course, but a curious todo, if ever I heard one. She's keeping quiet about how it came to be but authorities are picking up clues and now have a name. She's been heard to say Benedictus several times...

posted on 20/1/14

Bizarre argument, most bizarre. To be fair, Cinci is not pro USA at all and he doesn't slag the UK off. He has often slagged the yanks off and their way of life. I would say he is a Brit and a proud one at that.

posted on 20/1/14

Thank you plod and yes, that is quite right.

posted on 20/1/14

comment by DJ, ay we (U17289)
posted 21 hours, 35 minutes ago
Cinci - Is that comment meant to reflect that in the drug ridden, murder ridden, crime ridden cities of USA all the kids are angels?
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I would say that it was this comment that turned this article into the chaos that followed. Your hatred for the USA is quite evident as you have pointed out to us for ages.

posted on 20/1/14

I have been to the USA a number of times for holidays and love visiting there. But I wouldn't and haven't chosen to live there.

If you read hatred of USA into my comments then without doubt you will be able to read hatred of the UK into cinci's comments I guess, but he isn't on the list of people you argue with is he.

So as you have read this thread why haven't you answered the question I asked you. What does the last part of this sentence mean?
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I can tell you now that there were and still are no-go areas in the UK and guess who rules those areas too.

posted on 20/1/14

i'll try to avoid bringing the argument down to personalities and just comment on some of the bollócks arguments put forward:

to suggest that the uk is a more dangerous place to live than South Africa or the USA based on an article from the daily názi shows an absolute lack of understanding of the criminal justice system, statistics, interpretive mathematics and the british media.

in 2012, South Africa had a population of around 52million people and crime records reported around 20,000 murders, and 65,000 rapes or serious sexual assaults.

in a similar period the UK, with a population of around 65m, had 550 homicides and 54,000 serious sexual offences.

in the usa, with a population of around 314m (just under 5 times the uk), there were nearly 15,000 murders - over 25 times MORE than the UK. there were c85,000 forcible rapes, more than 5 times the 12,000 reported in the UK.

the USA does not record punching someone, or kicking them, or slapping them, or a bit of drunken hair pulling, as assault and all of these offences are not recorded in their violent crime stats. that is the same in a lot of other countries. some more civilised nations, such as the UK and Canada, do record these offences in their violent crime stats. this is clearly a strong factor in reported violent crime in the UK being higher than in many EU and other countries. but a very limited amount of effort, rather than simply regurgitating an out of date daily názi headline, can highlight why that statement is incorrect.

and frankly, even if I am more likely to get slapped by a drunken teenager here than in America, I will happily accept those odds compared with the far greater chance of getting murdered in the USA or South Africa. glibly rolling up all levels of violent crime and attaching the same level of impact or hurt to a teenager getting mugged for his phone as to a schoolyard shooting spree just to prove a point is a pretty poor way to try to win an argument.

posted on 21/1/14

Fair enough GB, but having lived in both i know which one is safer.

posted on 21/1/14

based on what cinci??

you have probably lived in about three or four parts of two countries for any major length of time. i don't know for sure, but i suspect you have never lived for a length of time in either the worst areas of the UK or the USA so would struggle to provide an experience based assessment. the stats don't support what yr saying, the independent international bodies don't support what yr saying, you have nothing at all to back up yr point and quite annoyingly fail to respond to the weight of evidence when presented other than to say you know which is safer.

the good news is, you can explain to the families of the 15,000 murdered people in America why they should feel some consolation that if they lived in the UK things would be much worse for them.

posted on 21/1/14

Well this backs it up.

http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/United-Kingdom/United-States/Crime

Quite a fascinating site in general.

And GB, you can bang the drum about murder rates all you like, you will never have an ounce of the disdain i have for american gun laws, it is absurd.

I don't have a horse in this race, my comments on this site quite clearly sum up my opinions on the USA, but my opinion on this topic is based on what i have seen, felt, discussed since being here.

And incidently, i have frequented what is regarded as americas most dangerous neighbourhood by many, Over-the-Rhine, in Cincinnati, thoroughly enjoy the place, great drinking.

posted on 21/1/14

http://voices.yahoo.com/new-study-shows-great-britain-8830691.html

Heres the one without the daily mail posting it, which was in fact irrelevant anyway, they clearly obtained the info from a statistical analysis.

posted on 21/1/14

A semi interesting one

posted on 21/1/14

I think there is a good reason as to why the assualt numbers are far higher in the UK, and that is the legal age of drinking, daft as the law is at 21, it does keep youngsters out of the bars and off the streets, invariably taking them to the basement of a mates house and not wandering the streets.
If only the States put more weight behind curtailing gun crime as they do under age drinking, they would be doing wonders.

Another reason is that these guys don't like footpaths, why build one when you can drive across the street, walking is frowned upon

And a third reason would be the brutal weather for large portions of the year, intense heat or brutal cold keeps the louts of the streets.

posted on 21/1/14

Obama is your most dangerous weapon.

posted on 21/1/14

Fair enough GB, but having lived in both i know which one is safer.

Comments like ' its meant to reflect the well known issues currently being dealt with in the UK with shameful attacks on many people in the streets and yobs on every corner causing mayhem' and ' as bad as the rest of the scúmbags infesting British streets in recent years'

Well. its quite clear you don't have the faintest idea what the majority of the UK is like and I am certain that you don't have the faintest idea what the majority of the USA is like.

But from someone that reads a couple of comments on another clubs forum then tries to persuade us that he knows what the majority of supporters of that club are feeling then I guess we are the guilty ones for not treating everything you say as a joke.

I know because I have been to them all that I would for sure stand more chance of posting on here next week if I spent the weekend wandering around the poor areas of Wolverhampton, Liverpool or Glasgow than if I walked around the Hispanic areas of Miami or LA or the wrong part of town in Dallas or New Orleans

posted on 21/1/14

I'm off to South Africa at the weekend. Thank goodness that's so much safer than the US and the UK.

posted on 21/1/14

I think the biggest joke is that those who literally have no idea, having not lived in both, are telling those that have lived in both, that what they feel regarding safety is in fact wrong.
Only on 606

posted on 21/1/14

The biggest joke is you cinci. We just cannot compete with the garbage you write.

You have lived in a couple of places in USA so of course you know how it feels in the entire nation,. nobody would dispute that. And of course you know that every street in the UK has gangs of youths at each end waiting to beat people up.

You are the sage cinci. And a complete idiot to boot

posted on 21/1/14



I am pretty sure nobody on this planet has lived all over both countries, the suggestion that that is what it takes is absurd, nothing else.

What i have done is lived in like for like areas, and being a guy who frequents a bar or two i am yet to see a bar brawl, but yet i would see them on a regular basis in the UK.
I would also see the usual gang of kids outside the local store, or precinct, i have yet to see that here either.
And as i have said previously, i have in fact hung out in one of the USA's most dangerous areas, and a healthy police presence has meant that there also i have not encountered any issues, and i think that is likely the biggest reason the streets in general feel safer, there is an obvious police presence, you don't have to wait long to see a police car drive by, something you rarely see in the UKs towns.

None of that is a put down to the UK, just my own observations, and it is down to how these countries are indeed quite different in their make up.

I am more likely to get shot than in the UK, but that likelihood is on a par with dying in a traffic accident, so not actually very likely.

posted on 21/1/14


Vinnie, I wasn't slagging off my country, I love the UK, more than the USA that's for sure.
To be fair, Cinci is not pro USA at all and he doesn't slag the UK off
Thank you plod and yes, that is quite right

Hypocrisy could be your specialist subject on mastermind cinci

A real shame, held Fletcher in quite high regard, as bad as the rest of the scúmbags infesting British streets in recent years.

No DJ, its meant to reflect the well known issues currently being dealt with in the UK with shameful attacks on many people in the streets and yobs on every corner causing mayhem

It is more amazing that some of you are pretending it is not a reality.

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Apologies if my comment came across as an attack, it certainly was not meant that way.

Yeah right



posted on 21/1/14

Given your clear love of the UK I am astonished you decided to live in the USA

posted on 21/1/14

So criticising the well documented yob element that gave rise to the catchphrase ''broken britain'' a political term no less, is slagging off Britain?

I would say it is just something that is out there and there is no need to get so defensive when it is brought up, though i understand patriotism kicks in, i act the same way here if someone takes a pop at the UK.

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