Find the last argument on here that didn't involve cinci or wolfie or both. Bit difficult I guess. But hey the only thing we know for certain is its never their fault.
Tell you what DJ, go and look at the dodge the rodge thread, it tells you all you need to know.
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Good thread for anyone wanting to jump on a bandwagon to criticise players, I think you mean.
So you said earlier, i have yet to find the offending comments though.
Anybody with half a brain can see it's Wednesday.
Sunny/Cinci without wading two footed into this debate can I just ask a question?
What difference does it make if tens of thousands of the murders that occur in USA every year are of poor black people in areas where you don’t live?
Are you really that crass that you can dismiss them out of hand just because the victims don’t look like you or have the same socioeconomic backgrounds as you?
The debate isn’t about absolute risk to any given individual – your chances of being murdered are tiny in ANY country – it’s about the type of societies we live in and this....
“most of the murders over here (like I said before) are crimes of passion and street gang, (drug) related. Most cops over here don't do much investigation into the later of those two.”
...is incredibly telling about the sort of society that the USA has built.
Murders are fine and should be swept under the carpet and not worried about if the victim is a disenfranchised black youth.
DJ, you know exactly the people I'm referring to in my previous comment.
I don't know what you are talking about wolfie which is why I asked so enlighten me.
Sorry tats, didn't see this.
To me the debate was about safety, and the point of bringing up for example the black on black crime was that it has no bearing on the general safety of the nation.
The point being made by some as to why the USA is dangerous was in highlighting the high murder rates, those high murder rates when broken down result in little threat to the general public and give a false impression.
Can't speak for Wolfie, but no murder is fine and til these guys sort out the ludicrous gun laws the guns will be out there.
If I may contribute... Pretty well all murders have little threat to the general public.
Possibly a fair point bute.
Which is why I think high assault, muggings etc give a better view. Call it street crime.
That to me is what impacts the general public most.
That to me is what impacts the general public most.
Unquestionably the case if it happens on the street corner of every street as a result of sc'mbags gathering there every day - if that's what you would have us believe
Dunno about every street corner, but outside my mums local 7-11 that was the case, resulted in a murder incidently, girl i went to school with lost her son after he picked on the wrong guy, paid with his life and the guy got off I believe.
Not on well over 99% of street corners in the UK but lets not quibble, if you say its every then I am sure you know best
DJ, instead of being a smart ass how about you just discuss the topic at hand. You know as well as i do that its not every corner.
But you also know as well as I do that if you drove around the streets in your average town you will come across 3 or 4 pockets of kids hanging out, and unfortunately that invariably leads to issues. That is certainly the case where I lived, and that includes the affluent Windsor.
Does it prove anything? Maybe not, but i can tell you that you will not find those same pockets of kids hanging out in the towns here..........I am not sure on this, maybe Wolfie or simon know the answer, but I believe the police have some law stating that they can break up any more than 4 or 5 or something like that.
The UK was discussing a similar policy when I left weren't they?
You know as well as i do that its not every corner
Yes I do know that and I said that to you on a number of occasions on this thread but all you did was defend and reiterate what you had said which was
No DJ, its meant to reflect the well known issues currently being dealt with in the UK with shameful attacks on many people in the streets and yobs on every corner causing mayhem.
Its not me being a smart ass its you being a dumb ass that caused this stupid exchange
No its not DJ, the comment was clearly not literal and i have not defended the 'every corner' comment as being literally correct.
So as you wriggle out of any blame for this argument we have to take your comments as not literal, other people's response as literal and ignore your follow up comments like
It is more amazing that some of you are pretending it is not a reality.
DJ, my initial comment was very straight forward
Ok I get it
That's right DJ, I literally meant every corner, of course i did, you quite literally cannot walk down the street these days
kids hanging around are not necessarily a problem. the perception of safety is a very different issue to actual safety as crime and criminology surveys will point out. I hung around street corners and shopping areas when I was a kid as did most of the people I knew...because there was rarely anywhere else to go and no money to go there with. it didn't make me or my friends a threat to society. what yr displaying is simply the difference in perspective that becoming an old gít gives you...which is perhaps why the rantings of the daily mail struck such a chord with you and why you seem to echo the very worst of the white van man, talk sport, cliché phrases 'broken britain'.
btw - as yr so keen to dismiss 18,000 murders as not telling the true picture of safety, have you also done the same for the 550 or so in the UK? do you not think that most of the most serious violent crime here is also gang related? or that most of our much lesser offences which we bother to report which the USA do not, don't occur within the same few square miles of our biggest towns between 11 and 2.00 am on a weekend? which by yr logic means they have no bearing on how safe the country is because they can be avoided by anyone not looking to be out and píssed on broad street at chucking out time.
I agree regarding murders GB, i don't think that has any real bearing on how safety should be perceived.
Personally speaking, i have drawn my conclusions from where i have lived, Totton for one, a very average British town, obviously being my home town i can remember all the issues and assaults, several of which led to deaths.
Since being here i have heard very very few crimes of assault and brutal beatings going down in the street, maybe it just isn't the american way(maybe they fetch a gun ).
This town i live in now has 30,000 students alone, you would assume a hotbed for violence given all the alcohol sloshing around, i have yet to see an issue and i am frequently in and around the bars and downtown.
On a different track, we definitely have more of a homeless problem here for some reason, we had one in Totton for about 15 years, Mo the tramp, almost a celebrity......here we must have at least 10 ''regulars''.
Regarding murder rates, i have just travelled through what are regarded by many sources as the 2 most dangerous countries on the planet when it comes to murders, Honduras and El Salvador.
Never felt in danger at any point.
Adding my ten penneth:
It's the fear of crime or the perception of crime that's the real problem and that leads to stigmatisation of some areas.
For example, I went to South Africa last year (and am off there again this years). We drove through parts of Johannesburg and there are gangs of youths "hanging about" on most street corners there, especially at traffic light junctions. Having never experienced this before, we were initially intimidated, especially as they approached our car. It soon became apparent, however that the reason that they were there was to sell or give away newspapers, leaflets, fruit, nuts or other such produce as they were poor and this was how they could make some sort of living.
Of course there is crime in SA, just as there is in the US and the UK, however it is much exaggerated and sensationalised to sell newspapers like the Sun, the Daily Mail and the Mirror etc...
"Personally speaking, i have drawn my conclusions from where i have lived, Totton for one, a very average British town, obviously being my home town i can remember all the issues and assaults, several of which led to deaths."
Aha! THIS is the root of the problem Cinci. I don't think Totton is a very average British town so much as it is an absolute shitehole! I also think your safety concerns (kids hanging around, muggings, low level crime) are particularly prevalent somewhere like this, a pretty poor, run down town. But the vast majority of people in the UK live in cities, villages and average towns which suffer different levels and types of crime but less of that low level crime as a proportion.
Did you go to Totton College Cinci? I can't remember.
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posted on 21/1/14
Find the last argument on here that didn't involve cinci or wolfie or both. Bit difficult I guess. But hey the only thing we know for certain is its never their fault.
posted on 21/1/14
Tell you what DJ, go and look at the dodge the rodge thread, it tells you all you need to know.
posted on 22/1/14
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posted on 22/1/14
Good thread for anyone wanting to jump on a bandwagon to criticise players, I think you mean.
posted on 22/1/14
So you said earlier, i have yet to find the offending comments though.
posted on 22/1/14
Anybody with half a brain can see it's Wednesday.
posted on 22/1/14
It's quite foggy.
posted on 22/1/14
Sunny/Cinci without wading two footed into this debate can I just ask a question?
What difference does it make if tens of thousands of the murders that occur in USA every year are of poor black people in areas where you don’t live?
Are you really that crass that you can dismiss them out of hand just because the victims don’t look like you or have the same socioeconomic backgrounds as you?
The debate isn’t about absolute risk to any given individual – your chances of being murdered are tiny in ANY country – it’s about the type of societies we live in and this....
“most of the murders over here (like I said before) are crimes of passion and street gang, (drug) related. Most cops over here don't do much investigation into the later of those two.”
...is incredibly telling about the sort of society that the USA has built.
Murders are fine and should be swept under the carpet and not worried about if the victim is a disenfranchised black youth.
posted on 22/1/14
DJ, you know exactly the people I'm referring to in my previous comment.
I don't know what you are talking about wolfie which is why I asked so enlighten me.
posted on 22/1/14
Sorry tats, didn't see this.
To me the debate was about safety, and the point of bringing up for example the black on black crime was that it has no bearing on the general safety of the nation.
The point being made by some as to why the USA is dangerous was in highlighting the high murder rates, those high murder rates when broken down result in little threat to the general public and give a false impression.
Can't speak for Wolfie, but no murder is fine and til these guys sort out the ludicrous gun laws the guns will be out there.
posted on 22/1/14
If I may contribute... Pretty well all murders have little threat to the general public.
posted on 22/1/14
Possibly a fair point bute.
Which is why I think high assault, muggings etc give a better view. Call it street crime.
That to me is what impacts the general public most.
posted on 22/1/14
That to me is what impacts the general public most.
Unquestionably the case if it happens on the street corner of every street as a result of sc'mbags gathering there every day - if that's what you would have us believe
posted on 22/1/14
Dunno about every street corner, but outside my mums local 7-11 that was the case, resulted in a murder incidently, girl i went to school with lost her son after he picked on the wrong guy, paid with his life and the guy got off I believe.
posted on 22/1/14
Not on well over 99% of street corners in the UK but lets not quibble, if you say its every then I am sure you know best
posted on 22/1/14
DJ, instead of being a smart ass how about you just discuss the topic at hand. You know as well as i do that its not every corner.
But you also know as well as I do that if you drove around the streets in your average town you will come across 3 or 4 pockets of kids hanging out, and unfortunately that invariably leads to issues. That is certainly the case where I lived, and that includes the affluent Windsor.
Does it prove anything? Maybe not, but i can tell you that you will not find those same pockets of kids hanging out in the towns here..........I am not sure on this, maybe Wolfie or simon know the answer, but I believe the police have some law stating that they can break up any more than 4 or 5 or something like that.
The UK was discussing a similar policy when I left weren't they?
posted on 22/1/14
You know as well as i do that its not every corner
Yes I do know that and I said that to you on a number of occasions on this thread but all you did was defend and reiterate what you had said which was
No DJ, its meant to reflect the well known issues currently being dealt with in the UK with shameful attacks on many people in the streets and yobs on every corner causing mayhem.
Its not me being a smart ass its you being a dumb ass that caused this stupid exchange
posted on 22/1/14
No its not DJ, the comment was clearly not literal and i have not defended the 'every corner' comment as being literally correct.
posted on 22/1/14
So as you wriggle out of any blame for this argument we have to take your comments as not literal, other people's response as literal and ignore your follow up comments like
It is more amazing that some of you are pretending it is not a reality.
DJ, my initial comment was very straight forward
Ok I get it
posted on 22/1/14
That's right DJ, I literally meant every corner, of course i did, you quite literally cannot walk down the street these days
posted on 23/1/14
kids hanging around are not necessarily a problem. the perception of safety is a very different issue to actual safety as crime and criminology surveys will point out. I hung around street corners and shopping areas when I was a kid as did most of the people I knew...because there was rarely anywhere else to go and no money to go there with. it didn't make me or my friends a threat to society. what yr displaying is simply the difference in perspective that becoming an old gít gives you...which is perhaps why the rantings of the daily mail struck such a chord with you and why you seem to echo the very worst of the white van man, talk sport, cliché phrases 'broken britain'.
btw - as yr so keen to dismiss 18,000 murders as not telling the true picture of safety, have you also done the same for the 550 or so in the UK? do you not think that most of the most serious violent crime here is also gang related? or that most of our much lesser offences which we bother to report which the USA do not, don't occur within the same few square miles of our biggest towns between 11 and 2.00 am on a weekend? which by yr logic means they have no bearing on how safe the country is because they can be avoided by anyone not looking to be out and píssed on broad street at chucking out time.
posted on 23/1/14
I agree regarding murders GB, i don't think that has any real bearing on how safety should be perceived.
Personally speaking, i have drawn my conclusions from where i have lived, Totton for one, a very average British town, obviously being my home town i can remember all the issues and assaults, several of which led to deaths.
Since being here i have heard very very few crimes of assault and brutal beatings going down in the street, maybe it just isn't the american way(maybe they fetch a gun ).
This town i live in now has 30,000 students alone, you would assume a hotbed for violence given all the alcohol sloshing around, i have yet to see an issue and i am frequently in and around the bars and downtown.
On a different track, we definitely have more of a homeless problem here for some reason, we had one in Totton for about 15 years, Mo the tramp, almost a celebrity......here we must have at least 10 ''regulars''.
posted on 23/1/14
Regarding murder rates, i have just travelled through what are regarded by many sources as the 2 most dangerous countries on the planet when it comes to murders, Honduras and El Salvador.
Never felt in danger at any point.
posted on 23/1/14
Adding my ten penneth:
It's the fear of crime or the perception of crime that's the real problem and that leads to stigmatisation of some areas.
For example, I went to South Africa last year (and am off there again this years). We drove through parts of Johannesburg and there are gangs of youths "hanging about" on most street corners there, especially at traffic light junctions. Having never experienced this before, we were initially intimidated, especially as they approached our car. It soon became apparent, however that the reason that they were there was to sell or give away newspapers, leaflets, fruit, nuts or other such produce as they were poor and this was how they could make some sort of living.
Of course there is crime in SA, just as there is in the US and the UK, however it is much exaggerated and sensationalised to sell newspapers like the Sun, the Daily Mail and the Mirror etc...
posted on 23/1/14
"Personally speaking, i have drawn my conclusions from where i have lived, Totton for one, a very average British town, obviously being my home town i can remember all the issues and assaults, several of which led to deaths."
Aha! THIS is the root of the problem Cinci. I don't think Totton is a very average British town so much as it is an absolute shitehole! I also think your safety concerns (kids hanging around, muggings, low level crime) are particularly prevalent somewhere like this, a pretty poor, run down town. But the vast majority of people in the UK live in cities, villages and average towns which suffer different levels and types of crime but less of that low level crime as a proportion.
Did you go to Totton College Cinci? I can't remember.
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