Rats
Yer still a poo dented tho
Zach - I watched only an excuse again the other day and the bit where he does salmond and Lamont are best bits in it
He probably doesn't quite get it neddy enough for Lamont tho , she's a Stoater.
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King Laudrup
Are you Welsh? If so, is this being keenly watched in Wales and do you think it'll influence your country if there's a Yes vote?
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Yes I am Welsh, and it is being kinda watched but not much. The main feeling is that Westminster might devolve more powers to Wales, already promised by the Silk Report, as London and the South East can't keep ignoring the rest of the country like it is presently doing. I mentioned earlier a programme by Andrew Neil, watch it if you already haven't, it very enlightening.
Hector - Again, that's just an anti-politician argument. Fine, you don't trust politicians, but I don't see how that's an argument for the Union, if anything it's a good argument against it.
The point remains that I'd rather we elect our own politicians than rely on others to do it for us. Then, if we want to get rid of them, the people living here can vote them out. We simply cannot do that under the current arrangement. If Boris or Farage become MPs next election, they will have influence over Scottish affairs and there is absolutely nothing we can do about that.
And "Yes" actually won in 1979. Scotland still didn't get more powers. If you're banking on more powers, you're going to be left extremely disappointed.
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She's actually like a more inflated version of Lamont, who has had some of the air let oot
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Rats
Yer still a poo dented tho
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I've no idea what that means but it cut me to the bone!
TO THE FÜCKING BOOOOOOOOOONE!!!!
King Laudrup, I'll have a look for it mate
Its the same politicians that fkd the uk you want running a smaller state, with less resources, a poorer credit rating, no EU membership, no definitive plan for currency, no definitive plan for defence, no definitive plan for the NHS...
like I have already said, I'm minded to vote Yes, based on Nationistic reason but no Yes voter is helping me with the logical reasoning for doing so.
You see Brain? How's THAT for informed political debate?
Noo away an gie Mary Poppins a bawhum ya pie!
"Its the same politicians that fkd the uk you want running a smaller state, with less resources, a poorer credit rating, no EU membership, no definitive plan for currency, no definitive plan for defence, no definitive plan for the NHS..."
Being a smaller state isn't bad.
We'd have proportionally more resources.
The credit rating could be as good as AAA.
The EU would not kick out 5.3 million people.
There is a clear plan for currency.
There is a clear plan for defence.
The NHS is already fully devolved. That wouldn't change!
Again, we're back at the situation where people see Scotland as some sort of utterly unique freak of a country that couldn't possibly cope with being small, couldn't cope with its resources, would be the only country the EU kicked out, would be the only country without a currency, would be one of the few countries with no military & couldn't cope with something it already runs!
Some people have such a low opinion of Scotland. I'm not really one for patriotism, but amongst the no camp there's an insidious idea of anti-patriotism. A belief that Scotland is in some way uniquely bad. I don't understand this total absence of confidence.
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Hector, to try and answer some of your points.
You use the size of the country as a negative. In fact, being smaller is a positive.
https://www.credit-suisse.com/fr/en/news-and-expertise/news/economy/global-trends.article.html/article/pwp/news-and-expertise/2014/07/en/the-success-of-small-countries.html
It's unlikely we'll have a lower credit rating. We'll still have a AAA economy.
http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/independent-scotland-could-be-aaa-rated-standard-poors/
No EU membership? I think there's a huge argument that we will have EU membership that I've outlined elsewhere and I won't repeat. Look for the article titled 'Independence' from last night and read the last couple of pages if you want my view on that.
The NHS will be constitutionally protected in an independent Scotland.
Defence I admit I don't know enough about, and I accept the white paper isn't exactly great for that. That will have to come out in the wash I'm afraid.
Currency...we all know where that is and I don't think we need to go over that again.
You touch on having less resources:
Scotland has 8.3% of the population of the UK.
We also have:
32% land area
61% sea area
90% surface fresh water
65% north sea natural gas production
90% north sea oil production
47% open cast coal production
81% coal reserves not in production
62% timber production
46% total forest area
92% hydro electric production
40% wind wave and solar production
60% fish landings (scottish vessels)
55% fish landings from scottish waters
30% beef herd (breedable stock)
20% sheep herd (breedable stock)
9% dairy herd
10% pig herd
15% cereal holdings
20% potato holdings
That's pretty substantial resources considering we only have 8.3% of the population of the UK.
It's not about being able to cope or having a low opinion of Scotland, it's about whats better for those those that follow us. Having lived in an independent Ireland for a decade, I see why their emigration rate is so high, the unemployment levels, the cliques, the domination by like-minded thinkers in the media, the nepotism., the low-tax economy that was closer to Boston than Brussels, the shambles of their public services and the massive increase in drug gangs killing someone every other day.
The treatment of Murphy because he has a differing opinion is a taste of what could come, rather than using logical argument, they heckle and call him a Quisling, now it could be fair to call them a minority, but in any PR government minorities hold a lot of power.
Hector, in fairness Murphy is a controversial figure who stood on a stand shouting at people through a microphone. It's not like he was calmly going about explaining why a No vote is best. He was rabble rousing. He got a rabble.
I don't remember outrage when Prescott got egged (then lamped the boy who egged him) and I certainly don't remember outrage when Nick Griffin was egged.
FFS, the people of Dundee used to heckle Winston Churchill when he was our MP.
It's been seized upon by the media for whatever reason and escalated to be much more significant than it was.
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Ivan
I want positives.
I want to feel that by voting Yes (even though I'm denied the vote for daring to want to provide for my family) I would be doing the right thing.
I'm struggling with the whole point of it, bar the 1 tory MP in Scotland argument, thats a failure of the Tory party not of the Westminster government.
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posted on 3/9/14
Rats
Yer still a poo dented tho
posted on 3/9/14
Zach - I watched only an excuse again the other day and the bit where he does salmond and Lamont are best bits in it
He probably doesn't quite get it neddy enough for Lamont tho , she's a Stoater.
posted on 3/9/14
comment by IvanGolacIsMagic (U5291)
posted 2 minutes ago
King Laudrup
Are you Welsh? If so, is this being keenly watched in Wales and do you think it'll influence your country if there's a Yes vote?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes I am Welsh, and it is being kinda watched but not much. The main feeling is that Westminster might devolve more powers to Wales, already promised by the Silk Report, as London and the South East can't keep ignoring the rest of the country like it is presently doing. I mentioned earlier a programme by Andrew Neil, watch it if you already haven't, it very enlightening.
posted on 3/9/14
Hector - Again, that's just an anti-politician argument. Fine, you don't trust politicians, but I don't see how that's an argument for the Union, if anything it's a good argument against it.
The point remains that I'd rather we elect our own politicians than rely on others to do it for us. Then, if we want to get rid of them, the people living here can vote them out. We simply cannot do that under the current arrangement. If Boris or Farage become MPs next election, they will have influence over Scottish affairs and there is absolutely nothing we can do about that.
And "Yes" actually won in 1979. Scotland still didn't get more powers. If you're banking on more powers, you're going to be left extremely disappointed.
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She's actually like a more inflated version of Lamont, who has had some of the air let oot
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comment by Ibrox Elite-OTCAS (U5255)
posted 5 minutes ago
Rats
Yer still a poo dented tho
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I've no idea what that means but it cut me to the bone!
TO THE FÜCKING BOOOOOOOOOONE!!!!
posted on 3/9/14
King Laudrup, I'll have a look for it mate
posted on 3/9/14
Its the same politicians that fkd the uk you want running a smaller state, with less resources, a poorer credit rating, no EU membership, no definitive plan for currency, no definitive plan for defence, no definitive plan for the NHS...
like I have already said, I'm minded to vote Yes, based on Nationistic reason but no Yes voter is helping me with the logical reasoning for doing so.
posted on 3/9/14
You see Brain? How's THAT for informed political debate?
Noo away an gie Mary Poppins a bawhum ya pie!
posted on 3/9/14
"Its the same politicians that fkd the uk you want running a smaller state, with less resources, a poorer credit rating, no EU membership, no definitive plan for currency, no definitive plan for defence, no definitive plan for the NHS..."
Being a smaller state isn't bad.
We'd have proportionally more resources.
The credit rating could be as good as AAA.
The EU would not kick out 5.3 million people.
There is a clear plan for currency.
There is a clear plan for defence.
The NHS is already fully devolved. That wouldn't change!
Again, we're back at the situation where people see Scotland as some sort of utterly unique freak of a country that couldn't possibly cope with being small, couldn't cope with its resources, would be the only country the EU kicked out, would be the only country without a currency, would be one of the few countries with no military & couldn't cope with something it already runs!
Some people have such a low opinion of Scotland. I'm not really one for patriotism, but amongst the no camp there's an insidious idea of anti-patriotism. A belief that Scotland is in some way uniquely bad. I don't understand this total absence of confidence.
posted on 3/9/14
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posted on 3/9/14
Hector, to try and answer some of your points.
You use the size of the country as a negative. In fact, being smaller is a positive.
https://www.credit-suisse.com/fr/en/news-and-expertise/news/economy/global-trends.article.html/article/pwp/news-and-expertise/2014/07/en/the-success-of-small-countries.html
It's unlikely we'll have a lower credit rating. We'll still have a AAA economy.
http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/independent-scotland-could-be-aaa-rated-standard-poors/
No EU membership? I think there's a huge argument that we will have EU membership that I've outlined elsewhere and I won't repeat. Look for the article titled 'Independence' from last night and read the last couple of pages if you want my view on that.
The NHS will be constitutionally protected in an independent Scotland.
Defence I admit I don't know enough about, and I accept the white paper isn't exactly great for that. That will have to come out in the wash I'm afraid.
Currency...we all know where that is and I don't think we need to go over that again.
You touch on having less resources:
Scotland has 8.3% of the population of the UK.
We also have:
32% land area
61% sea area
90% surface fresh water
65% north sea natural gas production
90% north sea oil production
47% open cast coal production
81% coal reserves not in production
62% timber production
46% total forest area
92% hydro electric production
40% wind wave and solar production
60% fish landings (scottish vessels)
55% fish landings from scottish waters
30% beef herd (breedable stock)
20% sheep herd (breedable stock)
9% dairy herd
10% pig herd
15% cereal holdings
20% potato holdings
That's pretty substantial resources considering we only have 8.3% of the population of the UK.
posted on 3/9/14
It's not about being able to cope or having a low opinion of Scotland, it's about whats better for those those that follow us. Having lived in an independent Ireland for a decade, I see why their emigration rate is so high, the unemployment levels, the cliques, the domination by like-minded thinkers in the media, the nepotism., the low-tax economy that was closer to Boston than Brussels, the shambles of their public services and the massive increase in drug gangs killing someone every other day.
The treatment of Murphy because he has a differing opinion is a taste of what could come, rather than using logical argument, they heckle and call him a Quisling, now it could be fair to call them a minority, but in any PR government minorities hold a lot of power.
posted on 3/9/14
Hector, in fairness Murphy is a controversial figure who stood on a stand shouting at people through a microphone. It's not like he was calmly going about explaining why a No vote is best. He was rabble rousing. He got a rabble.
I don't remember outrage when Prescott got egged (then lamped the boy who egged him) and I certainly don't remember outrage when Nick Griffin was egged.
FFS, the people of Dundee used to heckle Winston Churchill when he was our MP.
It's been seized upon by the media for whatever reason and escalated to be much more significant than it was.
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Ivan
I want positives.
I want to feel that by voting Yes (even though I'm denied the vote for daring to want to provide for my family) I would be doing the right thing.
I'm struggling with the whole point of it, bar the 1 tory MP in Scotland argument, thats a failure of the Tory party not of the Westminster government.
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