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comment by Hector (U3606)
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I don't believe the posters on here are blindly pro-EU, being part of and changing from within would have, I imagine, be the preferred option.
I appreciate that it suits the anti-bloc narrative, the Brexit was a great idea look at them now brigade, to insinuate that the EU is on the brink of collapse when it patently isn't.
No European thinks "look how well Brexit is working out for the Brits, let's do that. "
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it promotes the tribal mentality they claim they do not buy into as well
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That tribal mentality is seen against leave voters, unionists, so called conservatives and the working class who dare to vote differently, also.
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You're fooling nobody but yourself when you claim the working class voted for Brexit.
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I am not saying all did, but there was a snobbish remain tribalism in tory and labour and lib dem camps against "plebs for brexit" lets say.As ging said, those with nowt to lose went for brexit, ofyen with two fingers up to tories, Geldoff, Obama, Thornberry et al

This broke the old bonds between labour and millions of working people too...a final straw for many....but if you are not a working class leaver, you wil never get it.

Tony Parsons, of Labour, Daily Mirror etc put this well.

close encounters of the 3rd kind...currently on C5

still a good film

Melinda Dillion and Teri Garr look fine too

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posted 15 minutes ago
“ On FOM, 12 EU states asking Brussels for money to build border walls to keep people out, and footage has emerged of Croat cops beating Afghan and Pakistani migrants, then driving them to the Bosnian borders.”

Has anyone figured out what this has to do with FOM?
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Nothing at all 🤔
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Really.

Are we sure migrants, asylum seekers, refugees etc entering the eu would not become part of FOM guidelines from EU?

I bow to superior knowledge.
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No.. they aren't only EU citizens have the right to freedom of movement TO WORK

Its FOM:TW everyone forgets that last bit, because we never exercised our right to send non workers home!
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Migrants become EU citixens.
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Eventually.

Walls to keep out illegal immigrants isnt the same though, is it?
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It does reflect the mentality of many in the EU on immigration and freedom of movement into Europe....and between European states.

Much of the EU is further right than blighty.

Was ma jist.
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There is no "freedom of movement IN TO EUROPE"

You are making stuff up here, the walls are nothing to do with fom:tw which is wildly popular across europe
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Racist then, no FOM into Europe?

If you want to play around with my words, lol.

Why are 12 EU nations building walls and asking for brussels money to do so?

Here is a hint...the EU contain folk more right wing than the uk, and do not practice what the EU preach.

So, all is not well int political union.

powerful film nearly 45 years after it was released

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posted 10 seconds ago
close encounters of the 3rd kind...currently on C5

still a good film

Melinda Dillion and Teri Garr look fine too
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Good Call

Check out Help with Stephen Graham, on our care home covid shame.

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posted 56 seconds ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 10 seconds ago
close encounters of the 3rd kind...currently on C5

still a good film

Melinda Dillion and Teri Garr look fine too
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Good Call

Check out Help with Stephen Graham, on our care home covid shame.
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yes i intend to watch that

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comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don't believe the posters on here are blindly pro-EU, being part of and changing from within would have, I imagine, be the preferred option.
I appreciate that it suits the anti-bloc narrative, the Brexit was a great idea look at them now brigade, to insinuate that the EU is on the brink of collapse when it patently isn't.
No European thinks "look how well Brexit is working out for the Brits, let's do that. "
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it promotes the tribal mentality they claim they do not buy into as well
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That tribal mentality is seen against leave voters, unionists, so called conservatives and the working class who dare to vote differently, also.
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You're fooling nobody but yourself when you claim the working class voted for Brexit.
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Yip brexit 100% a tribal vote about sovereignty and going it alone and we can do better ourselves but obviously those who voted against it who were looking for compromise and expanding the community are the tribal ones


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Is your spin on what i posted, about tribalism between remain and leave voters, tory skum and labour, unionist and nats.

What compromise and expansion do you speak of, as you mentioned that too?

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comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don't believe the posters on here are blindly pro-EU, being part of and changing from within would have, I imagine, be the preferred option.
I appreciate that it suits the anti-bloc narrative, the Brexit was a great idea look at them now brigade, to insinuate that the EU is on the brink of collapse when it patently isn't.
No European thinks "look how well Brexit is working out for the Brits, let's do that. "
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it promotes the tribal mentality they claim they do not buy into as well
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That tribal mentality is seen against leave voters, unionists, so called conservatives and the working class who dare to vote differently, also.
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You're fooling nobody but yourself when you claim the working class voted for Brexit.
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Yip brexit 100% a tribal vote about sovereignty and going it alone and we can do better ourselves but obviously those who voted against it who were looking for compromise and expanding the community are the tribal ones


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Is your spin on what i posted, about tribalism between remain and leave voters, tory skum and labour, unionist and nats.

What compromise and expansion do you speak of, as you mentioned that too?
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what compromise? maybe the 40 years of cooperation and democratic decisions that allowed the UK to become an extremely wealthy nation

comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don't believe the posters on here are blindly pro-EU, being part of and changing from within would have, I imagine, be the preferred option.
I appreciate that it suits the anti-bloc narrative, the Brexit was a great idea look at them now brigade, to insinuate that the EU is on the brink of collapse when it patently isn't.
No European thinks "look how well Brexit is working out for the Brits, let's do that. "
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it promotes the tribal mentality they claim they do not buy into as well
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That tribal mentality is seen against leave voters, unionists, so called conservatives and the working class who dare to vote differently, also.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're fooling nobody but yourself when you claim the working class voted for Brexit.
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Yip brexit 100% a tribal vote about sovereignty and going it alone and we can do better ourselves but obviously those who voted against it who were looking for compromise and expanding the community are the tribal ones


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Replace the word brexit with (Scots) indy.

See what hole you dug, haha.

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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don't believe the posters on here are blindly pro-EU, being part of and changing from within would have, I imagine, be the preferred option.
I appreciate that it suits the anti-bloc narrative, the Brexit was a great idea look at them now brigade, to insinuate that the EU is on the brink of collapse when it patently isn't.
No European thinks "look how well Brexit is working out for the Brits, let's do that. "
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it promotes the tribal mentality they claim they do not buy into as well
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That tribal mentality is seen against leave voters, unionists, so called conservatives and the working class who dare to vote differently, also.
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You're fooling nobody but yourself when you claim the working class voted for Brexit.
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I am not saying all did, but there was a snobbish remain tribalism in tory and labour and lib dem camps against "plebs for brexit" lets say.As ging said, those with nowt to lose went for brexit, ofyen with two fingers up to tories, Geldoff, Obama, Thornberry et al

This broke the old bonds between labour and millions of working people too...a final straw for many....but if you are not a working class leaver, you wil never get it.

Tony Parsons, of Labour, Daily Mirror etc put this well.
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You are saying all did by dint of the fact you keep saying "the working class" as if en mass when it's just such a stupid analysis when the vote was near enough 50/50 to claim a majority of working class people voted for Leave.
I'm a working class Remainer, tell me what I'm not getting about the people in my circles?

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posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don't believe the posters on here are blindly pro-EU, being part of and changing from within would have, I imagine, be the preferred option.
I appreciate that it suits the anti-bloc narrative, the Brexit was a great idea look at them now brigade, to insinuate that the EU is on the brink of collapse when it patently isn't.
No European thinks "look how well Brexit is working out for the Brits, let's do that. "
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it promotes the tribal mentality they claim they do not buy into as well
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That tribal mentality is seen against leave voters, unionists, so called conservatives and the working class who dare to vote differently, also.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're fooling nobody but yourself when you claim the working class voted for Brexit.
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Yip brexit 100% a tribal vote about sovereignty and going it alone and we can do better ourselves but obviously those who voted against it who were looking for compromise and expanding the community are the tribal ones


----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is your spin on what i posted, about tribalism between remain and leave voters, tory skum and labour, unionist and nats.

What compromise and expansion do you speak of, as you mentioned that too?
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what compromise? maybe the 40 years of cooperation and democratic decisions that allowed the UK to become an extremely wealthy nation


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Yea, we were nothing before the EU saved us, lmao.

Check out who was the main liberal democracy in Europe, and who did not fall under communist, facist and natzi dictatorships in the twentieth century.

Much of europe and the current EU were once communist, facist or natzi in the 20th century, and the brits and Nato resisted that, so the uk did not import democratic decision making from the EU.

Honestly, i have heard it all noo.

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comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 15 minutes ago
“ On FOM, 12 EU states asking Brussels for money to build border walls to keep people out, and footage has emerged of Croat cops beating Afghan and Pakistani migrants, then driving them to the Bosnian borders.”

Has anyone figured out what this has to do with FOM?
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Nothing at all 🤔
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Really.

Are we sure migrants, asylum seekers, refugees etc entering the eu would not become part of FOM guidelines from EU?

I bow to superior knowledge.
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No.. they aren't only EU citizens have the right to freedom of movement TO WORK

Its FOM:TW everyone forgets that last bit, because we never exercised our right to send non workers home!
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Migrants become EU citixens.
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Eventually.

Walls to keep out illegal immigrants isnt the same though, is it?
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It does reflect the mentality of many in the EU on immigration and freedom of movement into Europe....and between European states.

Much of the EU is further right than blighty.

Was ma jist.
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There is no "freedom of movement IN TO EUROPE"

You are making stuff up here, the walls are nothing to do with fom:tw which is wildly popular across europe
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Racist then, no FOM into Europe?

If you want to play around with my words, lol.

Why are 12 EU nations building walls and asking for brussels money to do so?

Here is a hint...the EU contain folk more right wing than the uk, and do not practice what the EU preach.

So, all is not well int political union.
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There is no such thing as FOM into Europe from non EU countries.

comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
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posted 20 minutes ago
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posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don't believe the posters on here are blindly pro-EU, being part of and changing from within would have, I imagine, be the preferred option.
I appreciate that it suits the anti-bloc narrative, the Brexit was a great idea look at them now brigade, to insinuate that the EU is on the brink of collapse when it patently isn't.
No European thinks "look how well Brexit is working out for the Brits, let's do that. "
----------------------------------------------------------------------
it promotes the tribal mentality they claim they do not buy into as well
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That tribal mentality is seen against leave voters, unionists, so called conservatives and the working class who dare to vote differently, also.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're fooling nobody but yourself when you claim the working class voted for Brexit.
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Yip brexit 100% a tribal vote about sovereignty and going it alone and we can do better ourselves but obviously those who voted against it who were looking for compromise and expanding the community are the tribal ones


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Replace the word brexit with (Scots) indy.

See what hole you dug, haha.
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Scotland would look to rejoin the EU if it votes to break the union, so not going it alone, in fact, the complete opposite of going it alone.

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posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don't believe the posters on here are blindly pro-EU, being part of and changing from within would have, I imagine, be the preferred option.
I appreciate that it suits the anti-bloc narrative, the Brexit was a great idea look at them now brigade, to insinuate that the EU is on the brink of collapse when it patently isn't.
No European thinks "look how well Brexit is working out for the Brits, let's do that. "
----------------------------------------------------------------------
it promotes the tribal mentality they claim they do not buy into as well
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That tribal mentality is seen against leave voters, unionists, so called conservatives and the working class who dare to vote differently, also.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're fooling nobody but yourself when you claim the working class voted for Brexit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yip brexit 100% a tribal vote about sovereignty and going it alone and we can do better ourselves but obviously those who voted against it who were looking for compromise and expanding the community are the tribal ones


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Replace the word brexit with (Scots) indy.

See what hole you dug, haha.
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Scotland would look to rejoin the EU if it votes to break the union, so not going it alone, in fact, the complete opposite of going it alone.
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don't tbab won't understand or proclaim it's something entirely different.

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posted 20 minutes ago
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posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don't believe the posters on here are blindly pro-EU, being part of and changing from within would have, I imagine, be the preferred option.
I appreciate that it suits the anti-bloc narrative, the Brexit was a great idea look at them now brigade, to insinuate that the EU is on the brink of collapse when it patently isn't.
No European thinks "look how well Brexit is working out for the Brits, let's do that. "
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it promotes the tribal mentality they claim they do not buy into as well
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That tribal mentality is seen against leave voters, unionists, so called conservatives and the working class who dare to vote differently, also.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're fooling nobody but yourself when you claim the working class voted for Brexit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yip brexit 100% a tribal vote about sovereignty and going it alone and we can do better ourselves but obviously those who voted against it who were looking for compromise and expanding the community are the tribal ones


----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is your spin on what i posted, about tribalism between remain and leave voters, tory skum and labour, unionist and nats.

What compromise and expansion do you speak of, as you mentioned that too?
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what compromise? maybe the 40 years of cooperation and democratic decisions that allowed the UK to become an extremely wealthy nation


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Yea, we were nothing before the EU saved us, lmao.

Check out who was the main liberal democracy in Europe, and who did not fall under communist, facist and natzi dictatorships in the twentieth century.

Much of europe and the current EU were once communist, facist or natzi in the 20th century, and the brits and Nato resisted that, so the uk did not import democratic decision making from the EU.

Honestly, i have heard it all noo.
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Maybe you should re-read what was written.

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comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
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comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
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comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don't believe the posters on here are blindly pro-EU, being part of and changing from within would have, I imagine, be the preferred option.
I appreciate that it suits the anti-bloc narrative, the Brexit was a great idea look at them now brigade, to insinuate that the EU is on the brink of collapse when it patently isn't.
No European thinks "look how well Brexit is working out for the Brits, let's do that. "
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it promotes the tribal mentality they claim they do not buy into as well
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That tribal mentality is seen against leave voters, unionists, so called conservatives and the working class who dare to vote differently, also.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're fooling nobody but yourself when you claim the working class voted for Brexit.
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Yip brexit 100% a tribal vote about sovereignty and going it alone and we can do better ourselves but obviously those who voted against it who were looking for compromise and expanding the community are the tribal ones


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Replace the word brexit with (Scots) indy.

See what hole you dug, haha.




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See cannot anser the argument I presented and changed the subject, supporters of Scottish independence don't appear to want to be isolationist,

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posted 23 minutes ago
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99% of people do not read a party manifesto or referendum guide, and we here are a small cabal of political animals, unlike most humans, lol.

As i just posted, there were only 6 original EEC members, so we joined a much different club in the seventies.

It makes perfect sense for small nations to join and get funding, but sometimes, Germany and the uk resented paying the bill.

Again, in hindsight i get the money argument of being in the eu, but nearly 18 million brits rejected membership, so that must make alarm bells ring in brussels and remain camp.

You either feel part of some EU political union or you do not....and place more emphasis on national identity and self- determination, as nations around the world are encouraged to express.
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Haven't seen Germany resenting "paying the bill" anyone with half a brain and forethought knows that we were essentially creating markets for us to enrich ourselves.

How much richer have we got by investing in these nations, our economy would be nowhere near as big without the EU

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posted 20 minutes ago
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posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don't believe the posters on here are blindly pro-EU, being part of and changing from within would have, I imagine, be the preferred option.
I appreciate that it suits the anti-bloc narrative, the Brexit was a great idea look at them now brigade, to insinuate that the EU is on the brink of collapse when it patently isn't.
No European thinks "look how well Brexit is working out for the Brits, let's do that. "
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it promotes the tribal mentality they claim they do not buy into as well
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That tribal mentality is seen against leave voters, unionists, so called conservatives and the working class who dare to vote differently, also.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're fooling nobody but yourself when you claim the working class voted for Brexit.
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Yip brexit 100% a tribal vote about sovereignty and going it alone and we can do better ourselves but obviously those who voted against it who were looking for compromise and expanding the community are the tribal ones


----------------------------------------------------------------------
Replace the word brexit with (Scots) indy.

See what hole you dug, haha.
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Scotland would look to rejoin the EU if it votes to break the union, so not going it alone, in fact, the complete opposite of going it alone.
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So a border? 🤣
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Eh!? There is a border now!

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posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don't believe the posters on here are blindly pro-EU, being part of and changing from within would have, I imagine, be the preferred option.
I appreciate that it suits the anti-bloc narrative, the Brexit was a great idea look at them now brigade, to insinuate that the EU is on the brink of collapse when it patently isn't.
No European thinks "look how well Brexit is working out for the Brits, let's do that. "
----------------------------------------------------------------------
it promotes the tribal mentality they claim they do not buy into as well
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That tribal mentality is seen against leave voters, unionists, so called conservatives and the working class who dare to vote differently, also.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're fooling nobody but yourself when you claim the working class voted for Brexit.
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I am not saying all did, but there was a snobbish remain tribalism in tory and labour and lib dem camps against "plebs for brexit" lets say.As ging said, those with nowt to lose went for brexit, ofyen with two fingers up to tories, Geldoff, Obama, Thornberry et al

This broke the old bonds between labour and millions of working people too...a final straw for many....but if you are not a working class leaver, you wil never get it.

Tony Parsons, of Labour, Daily Mirror etc put this well.
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You are saying all did by dint of the fact you keep saying "the working class" as if en mass when it's just such a stupid analysis when the vote was near enough 50/50 to claim a majority of working class people voted for Leave.
I'm a working class Remainer, tell me what I'm not getting about the people in my circles?
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So you get the working class leave voter now?

I am not saying the whole working class backed brexit at all..it may be 50% as you say, but there were snobs and haters in remain and on social media who called these working class leavers, deplorable, and when those attacking tje " gammon" and thick racist leavers were from labour, that lost labour more working class voters, on top of the corbyn chill factor and on going labour- working class discinnect.

This is not just an opinion.

Working class voters tell us all the time.

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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don't believe the posters on here are blindly pro-EU, being part of and changing from within would have, I imagine, be the preferred option.
I appreciate that it suits the anti-bloc narrative, the Brexit was a great idea look at them now brigade, to insinuate that the EU is on the brink of collapse when it patently isn't.
No European thinks "look how well Brexit is working out for the Brits, let's do that. "
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it promotes the tribal mentality they claim they do not buy into as well
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That tribal mentality is seen against leave voters, unionists, so called conservatives and the working class who dare to vote differently, also.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're fooling nobody but yourself when you claim the working class voted for Brexit.
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I am not saying all did, but there was a snobbish remain tribalism in tory and labour and lib dem camps against "plebs for brexit" lets say.As ging said, those with nowt to lose went for brexit, ofyen with two fingers up to tories, Geldoff, Obama, Thornberry et al

This broke the old bonds between labour and millions of working people too...a final straw for many....but if you are not a working class leaver, you wil never get it.

Tony Parsons, of Labour, Daily Mirror etc put this well.
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You are saying all did by dint of the fact you keep saying "the working class" as if en mass when it's just such a stupid analysis when the vote was near enough 50/50 to claim a majority of working class people voted for Leave.
I'm a working class Remainer, tell me what I'm not getting about the people in my circles?
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So you get the working class leave voter now?

I am not saying the whole working class backed brexit at all..it may be 50% as you say, but there were snobs and haters in remain and on social media who called these working class leavers, deplorable, and when those attacking tje " gammon" and thick racist leavers were from labour, that lost labour more working class voters, on top of the corbyn chill factor and on going labour- working class discinnect.

This is not just an opinion.

Working class voters tell us all the time.
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It's not hard to understand the working class anger they've been suffering wage stagnation for a decade, strangely the same amount of time the Tory party has been in charge... coincidence?

You only need to hear what was said in Hartlepool by election, all our services have been cut, our hospital moved, court closed, jail closed. All because of the cuts the Tory party forced upon the region but somehow the people blame Labour? could it be a lot of people aren't seeing or being told the whole picture?

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posted 23 minutes ago
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99% of people do not read a party manifesto or referendum guide, and we here are a small cabal of political animals, unlike most humans, lol.

As i just posted, there were only 6 original EEC members, so we joined a much different club in the seventies.

It makes perfect sense for small nations to join and get funding, but sometimes, Germany and the uk resented paying the bill.

Again, in hindsight i get the money argument of being in the eu, but nearly 18 million brits rejected membership, so that must make alarm bells ring in brussels and remain camp.

You either feel part of some EU political union or you do not....and place more emphasis on national identity and self- determination, as nations around the world are encouraged to express.
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Haven't seen Germany resenting "paying the bill" anyone with half a brain and forethought knows that we were essentially creating markets for us to enrich ourselves.

How much richer have we got by investing in these nations, our economy would be nowhere near as big without the EU
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Germans do resent always paying out more for small poorer states in the EU, from German mouths, and you confirm the whole capitalist money grabbing ethos of the EU in your opening paragrapgh.

We got richer by investing in EU nations?.. but before and after Membership, that just stops, and does not exist outwith the 27 eu states?

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I don't believe the posters on here are blindly pro-EU, being part of and changing from within would have, I imagine, be the preferred option.
I appreciate that it suits the anti-bloc narrative, the Brexit was a great idea look at them now brigade, to insinuate that the EU is on the brink of collapse when it patently isn't.
No European thinks "look how well Brexit is working out for the Brits, let's do that. "
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it promotes the tribal mentality they claim they do not buy into as well
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That tribal mentality is seen against leave voters, unionists, so called conservatives and the working class who dare to vote differently, also.
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You're fooling nobody but yourself when you claim the working class voted for Brexit.
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I am not saying all did, but there was a snobbish remain tribalism in tory and labour and lib dem camps against "plebs for brexit" lets say.As ging said, those with nowt to lose went for brexit, ofyen with two fingers up to tories, Geldoff, Obama, Thornberry et al

This broke the old bonds between labour and millions of working people too...a final straw for many....but if you are not a working class leaver, you wil never get it.

Tony Parsons, of Labour, Daily Mirror etc put this well.
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You are saying all did by dint of the fact you keep saying "the working class" as if en mass when it's just such a stupid analysis when the vote was near enough 50/50 to claim a majority of working class people voted for Leave.
I'm a working class Remainer, tell me what I'm not getting about the people in my circles?
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So you get the working class leave voter now?

I am not saying the whole working class backed brexit at all..it may be 50% as you say, but there were snobs and haters in remain and on social media who called these working class leavers, deplorable, and when those attacking tje " gammon" and thick racist leavers were from labour, that lost labour more working class voters, on top of the corbyn chill factor and on going labour- working class discinnect.

This is not just an opinion.

Working class voters tell us all the time.
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It's not hard to understand the working class anger they've been suffering wage stagnation for a decade, strangely the same amount of time the Tory party has been in charge... coincidence?

You only need to hear what was said in Hartlepool by election, all our services have been cut, our hospital moved, court closed, jail closed. All because of the cuts the Tory party forced upon the region but somehow the people blame Labour? could it be a lot of people aren't seeing or being told the whole picture?


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Yes, the leave vote also relates to those left behind and alienated by tory govt and leaders, austerity, cheap foreign labour, Blair govt, Corbynism, tory PM Dave and Osborne who told them to vote remain.

The whole picture is more nuanced.

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99% of people do not read a party manifesto or referendum guide, and we here are a small cabal of political animals, unlike most humans, lol.

As i just posted, there were only 6 original EEC members, so we joined a much different club in the seventies.

It makes perfect sense for small nations to join and get funding, but sometimes, Germany and the uk resented paying the bill.

Again, in hindsight i get the money argument of being in the eu, but nearly 18 million brits rejected membership, so that must make alarm bells ring in brussels and remain camp.

You either feel part of some EU political union or you do not....and place more emphasis on national identity and self- determination, as nations around the world are encouraged to express.
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Haven't seen Germany resenting "paying the bill" anyone with half a brain and forethought knows that we were essentially creating markets for us to enrich ourselves.

How much richer have we got by investing in these nations, our economy would be nowhere near as big without the EU
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Germans do resent always paying out more for small poorer states in the EU, from German mouths, and you confirm the whole capitalist money grabbing ethos of the EU in your opening paragrapgh.

We got richer by investing in EU nations?.. but before and after Membership, that just stops, and does not exist outwith the 27 eu states?
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we also got richer by others investing in the UK and as intel and Tesla said recently they were considering investment in the UK but now they won't be.

because of Brexit, Even the mighty Brexit supporters aren't investing here, like Dyson moving to Singapore and Ratcliffe pulling his plans from Wales

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I don't believe the posters on here are blindly pro-EU, being part of and changing from within would have, I imagine, be the preferred option.
I appreciate that it suits the anti-bloc narrative, the Brexit was a great idea look at them now brigade, to insinuate that the EU is on the brink of collapse when it patently isn't.
No European thinks "look how well Brexit is working out for the Brits, let's do that. "
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it promotes the tribal mentality they claim they do not buy into as well
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That tribal mentality is seen against leave voters, unionists, so called conservatives and the working class who dare to vote differently, also.
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You're fooling nobody but yourself when you claim the working class voted for Brexit.
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I am not saying all did, but there was a snobbish remain tribalism in tory and labour and lib dem camps against "plebs for brexit" lets say.As ging said, those with nowt to lose went for brexit, ofyen with two fingers up to tories, Geldoff, Obama, Thornberry et al

This broke the old bonds between labour and millions of working people too...a final straw for many....but if you are not a working class leaver, you wil never get it.

Tony Parsons, of Labour, Daily Mirror etc put this well.
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You are saying all did by dint of the fact you keep saying "the working class" as if en mass when it's just such a stupid analysis when the vote was near enough 50/50 to claim a majority of working class people voted for Leave.
I'm a working class Remainer, tell me what I'm not getting about the people in my circles?
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So you get the working class leave voter now?

I am not saying the whole working class backed brexit at all..it may be 50% as you say, but there were snobs and haters in remain and on social media who called these working class leavers, deplorable, and when those attacking tje " gammon" and thick racist leavers were from labour, that lost labour more working class voters, on top of the corbyn chill factor and on going labour- working class discinnect.

This is not just an opinion.

Working class voters tell us all the time.
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It's not hard to understand the working class anger they've been suffering wage stagnation for a decade, strangely the same amount of time the Tory party has been in charge... coincidence?

You only need to hear what was said in Hartlepool by election, all our services have been cut, our hospital moved, court closed, jail closed. All because of the cuts the Tory party forced upon the region but somehow the people blame Labour? could it be a lot of people aren't seeing or being told the whole picture?


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Yes, the leave vote also relates to those left behind and alienated by tory govt and leaders, austerity, cheap foreign labour, Blair govt, Corbynism, tory PM Dave and Osborne who told them to vote remain.

The whole picture is more nuanced.
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no it isn't really, a very small majority was won on the back of a campaign of lies. It was a disguisting campaign that was almost entirely about pushing immigration as a bad thing for the UK despite of the reality.