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I don't believe the posters on here are blindly pro-EU, being part of and changing from within would have, I imagine, be the preferred option.
I appreciate that it suits the anti-bloc narrative, the Brexit was a great idea look at them now brigade, to insinuate that the EU is on the brink of collapse when it patently isn't.
No European thinks "look how well Brexit is working out for the Brits, let's do that. "
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it promotes the tribal mentality they claim they do not buy into as well
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That tribal mentality is seen against leave voters, unionists, so called conservatives and the working class who dare to vote differently, also.
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You're fooling nobody but yourself when you claim the working class voted for Brexit.
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I am not saying all did, but there was a snobbish remain tribalism in tory and labour and lib dem camps against "plebs for brexit" lets say.As ging said, those with nowt to lose went for brexit, ofyen with two fingers up to tories, Geldoff, Obama, Thornberry et al

This broke the old bonds between labour and millions of working people too...a final straw for many....but if you are not a working class leaver, you wil never get it.

Tony Parsons, of Labour, Daily Mirror etc put this well.
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You are saying all did by dint of the fact you keep saying "the working class" as if en mass when it's just such a stupid analysis when the vote was near enough 50/50 to claim a majority of working class people voted for Leave.
I'm a working class Remainer, tell me what I'm not getting about the people in my circles?
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So you get the working class leave voter now?

I am not saying the whole working class backed brexit at all..it may be 50% as you say, but there were snobs and haters in remain and on social media who called these working class leavers, deplorable, and when those attacking tje " gammon" and thick racist leavers were from labour, that lost labour more working class voters, on top of the corbyn chill factor and on going labour- working class discinnect.

This is not just an opinion.

Working class voters tell us all the time.
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Of course I get the leave mentality do you think you're a completely different species or something? FFS it's not rocket science!

As for hate filled snobs, have you seen the Vote Leave cabinet we have? what about Farage and the coterie of right wing journos from GBeebies to the Telegraph, real salt of the earth types!

I take it you are having a pro-Brexit day and not a reluctant Remainer due to economics day. All good but you're making a t1t of yourself claiming what you are.

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I don't believe the posters on here are blindly pro-EU, being part of and changing from within would have, I imagine, be the preferred option.
I appreciate that it suits the anti-bloc narrative, the Brexit was a great idea look at them now brigade, to insinuate that the EU is on the brink of collapse when it patently isn't.
No European thinks "look how well Brexit is working out for the Brits, let's do that. "
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it promotes the tribal mentality they claim they do not buy into as well
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That tribal mentality is seen against leave voters, unionists, so called conservatives and the working class who dare to vote differently, also.
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You're fooling nobody but yourself when you claim the working class voted for Brexit.
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I am not saying all did, but there was a snobbish remain tribalism in tory and labour and lib dem camps against "plebs for brexit" lets say.As ging said, those with nowt to lose went for brexit, ofyen with two fingers up to tories, Geldoff, Obama, Thornberry et al

This broke the old bonds between labour and millions of working people too...a final straw for many....but if you are not a working class leaver, you wil never get it.

Tony Parsons, of Labour, Daily Mirror etc put this well.
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You are saying all did by dint of the fact you keep saying "the working class" as if en mass when it's just such a stupid analysis when the vote was near enough 50/50 to claim a majority of working class people voted for Leave.
I'm a working class Remainer, tell me what I'm not getting about the people in my circles?
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So you get the working class leave voter now?

I am not saying the whole working class backed brexit at all..it may be 50% as you say, but there were snobs and haters in remain and on social media who called these working class leavers, deplorable, and when those attacking tje " gammon" and thick racist leavers were from labour, that lost labour more working class voters, on top of the corbyn chill factor and on going labour- working class discinnect.

This is not just an opinion.

Working class voters tell us all the time.
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It's not hard to understand the working class anger they've been suffering wage stagnation for a decade, strangely the same amount of time the Tory party has been in charge... coincidence?

You only need to hear what was said in Hartlepool by election, all our services have been cut, our hospital moved, court closed, jail closed. All because of the cuts the Tory party forced upon the region but somehow the people blame Labour? could it be a lot of people aren't seeing or being told the whole picture?


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Mass immigration and big business using this, hit the working classes, with cheap foreign labour, undercutting wages and conditions, and new competiition for all aspects of life from jobs to homes to schools, while community cohesion was broken as towns and cities changed rapidly....on top of that, being shafted by tory govts and mocked by labour, millions of working class brits, white, black and asian, voted for brexit.

At the same time, immigration helped sections of the economy and we need it, but people wanted limits and control, as they do worldwide on migration and migrant workers.

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I don't believe the posters on here are blindly pro-EU, being part of and changing from within would have, I imagine, be the preferred option.
I appreciate that it suits the anti-bloc narrative, the Brexit was a great idea look at them now brigade, to insinuate that the EU is on the brink of collapse when it patently isn't.
No European thinks "look how well Brexit is working out for the Brits, let's do that. "
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it promotes the tribal mentality they claim they do not buy into as well
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That tribal mentality is seen against leave voters, unionists, so called conservatives and the working class who dare to vote differently, also.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're fooling nobody but yourself when you claim the working class voted for Brexit.
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I am not saying all did, but there was a snobbish remain tribalism in tory and labour and lib dem camps against "plebs for brexit" lets say.As ging said, those with nowt to lose went for brexit, ofyen with two fingers up to tories, Geldoff, Obama, Thornberry et al

This broke the old bonds between labour and millions of working people too...a final straw for many....but if you are not a working class leaver, you wil never get it.

Tony Parsons, of Labour, Daily Mirror etc put this well.
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You are saying all did by dint of the fact you keep saying "the working class" as if en mass when it's just such a stupid analysis when the vote was near enough 50/50 to claim a majority of working class people voted for Leave.
I'm a working class Remainer, tell me what I'm not getting about the people in my circles?
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So you get the working class leave voter now?

I am not saying the whole working class backed brexit at all..it may be 50% as you say, but there were snobs and haters in remain and on social media who called these working class leavers, deplorable, and when those attacking tje " gammon" and thick racist leavers were from labour, that lost labour more working class voters, on top of the corbyn chill factor and on going labour- working class discinnect.

This is not just an opinion.

Working class voters tell us all the time.
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It's not hard to understand the working class anger they've been suffering wage stagnation for a decade, strangely the same amount of time the Tory party has been in charge... coincidence?

You only need to hear what was said in Hartlepool by election, all our services have been cut, our hospital moved, court closed, jail closed. All because of the cuts the Tory party forced upon the region but somehow the people blame Labour? could it be a lot of people aren't seeing or being told the whole picture?


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Mass immigration and big business using this, hit the working classes, with cheap foreign labour, undercutting wages and conditions, and new competiition for all aspects of life from jobs to homes to schools, while community cohesion was broken as towns and cities changed rapidly....on top of that, being shafted by tory govts and mocked by labour, millions of working class brits, white, black and asian, voted for brexit.

At the same time, immigration helped sections of the economy and we need it, but people wanted limits and control, as they do worldwide on migration and migrant workers.
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Wages and working conditions were cut in the UK due to the destruction of the unions.

Go and look at some other EU countries and you'll see higher working conditions and higher average wages.

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99% of people do not read a party manifesto or referendum guide, and we here are a small cabal of political animals, unlike most humans, lol.

As i just posted, there were only 6 original EEC members, so we joined a much different club in the seventies.

It makes perfect sense for small nations to join and get funding, but sometimes, Germany and the uk resented paying the bill.

Again, in hindsight i get the money argument of being in the eu, but nearly 18 million brits rejected membership, so that must make alarm bells ring in brussels and remain camp.

You either feel part of some EU political union or you do not....and place more emphasis on national identity and self- determination, as nations around the world are encouraged to express.
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Haven't seen Germany resenting "paying the bill" anyone with half a brain and forethought knows that we were essentially creating markets for us to enrich ourselves.

How much richer have we got by investing in these nations, our economy would be nowhere near as big without the EU
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Germans do resent always paying out more for small poorer states in the EU, from German mouths, and you confirm the whole capitalist money grabbing ethos of the EU in your opening paragrapgh.

We got richer by investing in EU nations?.. but before and after Membership, that just stops, and does not exist outwith the 27 eu states?
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we also got richer by others investing in the UK and as intel and Tesla said recently they were considering investment in the UK but now they won't be.

because of Brexit, Even the mighty Brexit supporters aren't investing here, like Dyson moving to Singapore and Ratcliffe pulling his plans from Wales


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Big business follows money....always will.

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/partner-reports/peoples-stated-reasons-for-voting-leave-or-remain/

This report includes several different surveys and opinion polls asking Britons why they voted the way they did in the EU referendum. It identifies that the two main reasons people voted Leave were ‘immigration’ and ‘sovereignty’, whereas the main reason people voted Remain was ‘the economy’.

“The report also identifies several other resasons why people voted leave such as ‘to teach British politicians a lesson’ or a ‘protest vote’. Among possible reasons for voting Remain is ‘a strong attachment to Europe.”

They don’t know what they voted for nor the reasons they actually voted leave.

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99% of people do not read a party manifesto or referendum guide, and we here are a small cabal of political animals, unlike most humans, lol.

As i just posted, there were only 6 original EEC members, so we joined a much different club in the seventies.

It makes perfect sense for small nations to join and get funding, but sometimes, Germany and the uk resented paying the bill.

Again, in hindsight i get the money argument of being in the eu, but nearly 18 million brits rejected membership, so that must make alarm bells ring in brussels and remain camp.

You either feel part of some EU political union or you do not....and place more emphasis on national identity and self- determination, as nations around the world are encouraged to express.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Haven't seen Germany resenting "paying the bill" anyone with half a brain and forethought knows that we were essentially creating markets for us to enrich ourselves.

How much richer have we got by investing in these nations, our economy would be nowhere near as big without the EU
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Germans do resent always paying out more for small poorer states in the EU, from German mouths, and you confirm the whole capitalist money grabbing ethos of the EU in your opening paragrapgh.

We got richer by investing in EU nations?.. but before and after Membership, that just stops, and does not exist outwith the 27 eu states?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
we also got richer by others investing in the UK and as intel and Tesla said recently they were considering investment in the UK but now they won't be.

because of Brexit, Even the mighty Brexit supporters aren't investing here, like Dyson moving to Singapore and Ratcliffe pulling his plans from Wales


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Big business follows money....always will.


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indeed it does, it's a shame as a nation a minority decided to considerably damage the country.

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posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don't believe the posters on here are blindly pro-EU, being part of and changing from within would have, I imagine, be the preferred option.
I appreciate that it suits the anti-bloc narrative, the Brexit was a great idea look at them now brigade, to insinuate that the EU is on the brink of collapse when it patently isn't.
No European thinks "look how well Brexit is working out for the Brits, let's do that. "
----------------------------------------------------------------------
it promotes the tribal mentality they claim they do not buy into as well
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That tribal mentality is seen against leave voters, unionists, so called conservatives and the working class who dare to vote differently, also.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're fooling nobody but yourself when you claim the working class voted for Brexit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I am not saying all did, but there was a snobbish remain tribalism in tory and labour and lib dem camps against "plebs for brexit" lets say.As ging said, those with nowt to lose went for brexit, ofyen with two fingers up to tories, Geldoff, Obama, Thornberry et al

This broke the old bonds between labour and millions of working people too...a final straw for many....but if you are not a working class leaver, you wil never get it.

Tony Parsons, of Labour, Daily Mirror etc put this well.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You are saying all did by dint of the fact you keep saying "the working class" as if en mass when it's just such a stupid analysis when the vote was near enough 50/50 to claim a majority of working class people voted for Leave.
I'm a working class Remainer, tell me what I'm not getting about the people in my circles?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So you get the working class leave voter now?

I am not saying the whole working class backed brexit at all..it may be 50% as you say, but there were snobs and haters in remain and on social media who called these working class leavers, deplorable, and when those attacking tje " gammon" and thick racist leavers were from labour, that lost labour more working class voters, on top of the corbyn chill factor and on going labour- working class discinnect.

This is not just an opinion.

Working class voters tell us all the time.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's not hard to understand the working class anger they've been suffering wage stagnation for a decade, strangely the same amount of time the Tory party has been in charge... coincidence?

You only need to hear what was said in Hartlepool by election, all our services have been cut, our hospital moved, court closed, jail closed. All because of the cuts the Tory party forced upon the region but somehow the people blame Labour? could it be a lot of people aren't seeing or being told the whole picture?


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Mass immigration and big business using this, hit the working classes, with cheap foreign labour, undercutting wages and conditions, and new competiition for all aspects of life from jobs to homes to schools, while community cohesion was broken as towns and cities changed rapidly....on top of that, being shafted by tory govts and mocked by labour, millions of working class brits, white, black and asian, voted for brexit.

At the same time, immigration helped sections of the economy and we need it, but people wanted limits and control, as they do worldwide on migration and migrant workers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Wages and working conditions were cut in the UK due to the destruction of the unions.

Go and look at some other EU countries and you'll see higher working conditions and higher average wages.


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Go look at other EU nations and most of the world and uk is living the dream, comparatively.

Unions had power when we had mines, ship building, heavy industry, engineering, car plants, steel works, but times changed.

I am in a union and go on strike, but labour and tory precide over our low pay rises, so i do not trust Labour or unions to save us.

“ I am in a union and go on strike, but labour and tory precide over our low pay rises, so i do not trust Labour or unions to save us.”

Non of this re Labour is actually true

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99% of people do not read a party manifesto or referendum guide, and we here are a small cabal of political animals, unlike most humans, lol.

As i just posted, there were only 6 original EEC members, so we joined a much different club in the seventies.

It makes perfect sense for small nations to join and get funding, but sometimes, Germany and the uk resented paying the bill.

Again, in hindsight i get the money argument of being in the eu, but nearly 18 million brits rejected membership, so that must make alarm bells ring in brussels and remain camp.

You either feel part of some EU political union or you do not....and place more emphasis on national identity and self- determination, as nations around the world are encouraged to express.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Haven't seen Germany resenting "paying the bill" anyone with half a brain and forethought knows that we were essentially creating markets for us to enrich ourselves.

How much richer have we got by investing in these nations, our economy would be nowhere near as big without the EU
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Germans do resent always paying out more for small poorer states in the EU, from German mouths, and you confirm the whole capitalist money grabbing ethos of the EU in your opening paragrapgh.

We got richer by investing in EU nations?.. but before and after Membership, that just stops, and does not exist outwith the 27 eu states?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
we also got richer by others investing in the UK and as intel and Tesla said recently they were considering investment in the UK but now they won't be.

because of Brexit, Even the mighty Brexit supporters aren't investing here, like Dyson moving to Singapore and Ratcliffe pulling his plans from Wales


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Big business follows money....always will.


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indeed it does, it's a shame as a nation a minority decided to considerably damage the country.
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For many reasons, not wanting to damage anything, people voted.

EU positives were sold badly and voters were belittled by the establishment, from all sides.

You reference unions losing power, and although i am a union member of nipsa, i do read about seventies union actions wrecking the place and leading voters to go for Thatcher, because unions overayed their jand, so it is always more complex than, unions lost power, fir example.

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99% of people do not read a party manifesto or referendum guide, and we here are a small cabal of political animals, unlike most humans, lol.

As i just posted, there were only 6 original EEC members, so we joined a much different club in the seventies.

It makes perfect sense for small nations to join and get funding, but sometimes, Germany and the uk resented paying the bill.

Again, in hindsight i get the money argument of being in the eu, but nearly 18 million brits rejected membership, so that must make alarm bells ring in brussels and remain camp.

You either feel part of some EU political union or you do not....and place more emphasis on national identity and self- determination, as nations around the world are encouraged to express.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Haven't seen Germany resenting "paying the bill" anyone with half a brain and forethought knows that we were essentially creating markets for us to enrich ourselves.

How much richer have we got by investing in these nations, our economy would be nowhere near as big without the EU
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Germans do resent always paying out more for small poorer states in the EU, from German mouths, and you confirm the whole capitalist money grabbing ethos of the EU in your opening paragrapgh.

We got richer by investing in EU nations?.. but before and after Membership, that just stops, and does not exist outwith the 27 eu states?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
we also got richer by others investing in the UK and as intel and Tesla said recently they were considering investment in the UK but now they won't be.

because of Brexit, Even the mighty Brexit supporters aren't investing here, like Dyson moving to Singapore and Ratcliffe pulling his plans from Wales


----------------------------------------------------------------------
Big business follows money....always will.


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indeed it does, it's a shame as a nation a minority decided to considerably damage the country.
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For many reasons, not wanting to damage anything, people voted.

EU positives were sold badly and voters were belittled by the establishment, from all sides.

You reference unions losing power, and although i am a union member of nipsa, i do read about seventies union actions wrecking the place and leading voters to go for Thatcher, because unions overayed their jand, so it is always more complex than, unions lost power, fir example.


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"voters were belittled by the establishment, from all sides."

they were not, they were told not to believe the lies the leave campaign telling them. and project fear was the term they were told shout as they shut their eyes and stuck their fingers in their ears

The leave campaign was shameful, it even broke the law

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44856992

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99% of people do not read a party manifesto or referendum guide, and we here are a small cabal of political animals, unlike most humans, lol.

As i just posted, there were only 6 original EEC members, so we joined a much different club in the seventies.

It makes perfect sense for small nations to join and get funding, but sometimes, Germany and the uk resented paying the bill.

Again, in hindsight i get the money argument of being in the eu, but nearly 18 million brits rejected membership, so that must make alarm bells ring in brussels and remain camp.

You either feel part of some EU political union or you do not....and place more emphasis on national identity and self- determination, as nations around the world are encouraged to express.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Haven't seen Germany resenting "paying the bill" anyone with half a brain and forethought knows that we were essentially creating markets for us to enrich ourselves.

How much richer have we got by investing in these nations, our economy would be nowhere near as big without the EU
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Germans do resent always paying out more for small poorer states in the EU, from German mouths, and you confirm the whole capitalist money grabbing ethos of the EU in your opening paragrapgh.

We got richer by investing in EU nations?.. but before and after Membership, that just stops, and does not exist outwith the 27 eu states?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
we also got richer by others investing in the UK and as intel and Tesla said recently they were considering investment in the UK but now they won't be.

because of Brexit, Even the mighty Brexit supporters aren't investing here, like Dyson moving to Singapore and Ratcliffe pulling his plans from Wales


----------------------------------------------------------------------
Big business follows money....always will.


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indeed it does, it's a shame as a nation a minority decided to considerably damage the country.
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One might say that is what SNP voters do, as economically, (and now Scottish oil is evil in the green coalition) voting indy could wreck Scotland....like NI, Scots receive much more than they pay in, and you can hardly rely on British currency going forward, so should you not reject indy, just in case?

Counter argument is get rid of london rule, as seen with brexit and brussels rule, of course.

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99% of people do not read a party manifesto or referendum guide, and we here are a small cabal of political animals, unlike most humans, lol.

As i just posted, there were only 6 original EEC members, so we joined a much different club in the seventies.

It makes perfect sense for small nations to join and get funding, but sometimes, Germany and the uk resented paying the bill.

Again, in hindsight i get the money argument of being in the eu, but nearly 18 million brits rejected membership, so that must make alarm bells ring in brussels and remain camp.

You either feel part of some EU political union or you do not....and place more emphasis on national identity and self- determination, as nations around the world are encouraged to express.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Haven't seen Germany resenting "paying the bill" anyone with half a brain and forethought knows that we were essentially creating markets for us to enrich ourselves.

How much richer have we got by investing in these nations, our economy would be nowhere near as big without the EU
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Germans do resent always paying out more for small poorer states in the EU, from German mouths, and you confirm the whole capitalist money grabbing ethos of the EU in your opening paragrapgh.

We got richer by investing in EU nations?.. but before and after Membership, that just stops, and does not exist outwith the 27 eu states?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
we also got richer by others investing in the UK and as intel and Tesla said recently they were considering investment in the UK but now they won't be.

because of Brexit, Even the mighty Brexit supporters aren't investing here, like Dyson moving to Singapore and Ratcliffe pulling his plans from Wales


----------------------------------------------------------------------
Big business follows money....always will.


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indeed it does, it's a shame as a nation a minority decided to considerably damage the country.
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One might say that is what SNP voters do, as economically, (and now Scottish oil is evil in the green coalition) voting indy could wreck Scotland....like NI, Scots receive much more than they pay in, and you can hardly rely on British currency going forward, so should you not reject indy, just in case?

Counter argument is get rid of london rule, as seen with brexit and brussels rule, of course.
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"Scots receive much more than they pay in,"

this is not true

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99% of people do not read a party manifesto or referendum guide, and we here are a small cabal of political animals, unlike most humans, lol.

As i just posted, there were only 6 original EEC members, so we joined a much different club in the seventies.

It makes perfect sense for small nations to join and get funding, but sometimes, Germany and the uk resented paying the bill.

Again, in hindsight i get the money argument of being in the eu, but nearly 18 million brits rejected membership, so that must make alarm bells ring in brussels and remain camp.

You either feel part of some EU political union or you do not....and place more emphasis on national identity and self- determination, as nations around the world are encouraged to express.
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Haven't seen Germany resenting "paying the bill" anyone with half a brain and forethought knows that we were essentially creating markets for us to enrich ourselves.

How much richer have we got by investing in these nations, our economy would be nowhere near as big without the EU
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Germans do resent always paying out more for small poorer states in the EU, from German mouths, and you confirm the whole capitalist money grabbing ethos of the EU in your opening paragrapgh.

We got richer by investing in EU nations?.. but before and after Membership, that just stops, and does not exist outwith the 27 eu states?
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we also got richer by others investing in the UK and as intel and Tesla said recently they were considering investment in the UK but now they won't be.

because of Brexit, Even the mighty Brexit supporters aren't investing here, like Dyson moving to Singapore and Ratcliffe pulling his plans from Wales


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Big business follows money....always will.


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indeed it does, it's a shame as a nation a minority decided to considerably damage the country.
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One might say that is what SNP voters do, as economically, (and now Scottish oil is evil in the green coalition) voting indy could wreck Scotland....like NI, Scots receive much more than they pay in, and you can hardly rely on British currency going forward, so should you not reject indy, just in case?

Counter argument is get rid of london rule, as seen with brexit and brussels rule, of course.
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"Scots receive much more than they pay in,"

this is not true
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and obviously is off topic because you are unable to deal with the issues.

but hey oh Scotland game is on so I will leave to it.

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99% of people do not read a party manifesto or referendum guide, and we here are a small cabal of political animals, unlike most humans, lol.

As i just posted, there were only 6 original EEC members, so we joined a much different club in the seventies.

It makes perfect sense for small nations to join and get funding, but sometimes, Germany and the uk resented paying the bill.

Again, in hindsight i get the money argument of being in the eu, but nearly 18 million brits rejected membership, so that must make alarm bells ring in brussels and remain camp.

You either feel part of some EU political union or you do not....and place more emphasis on national identity and self- determination, as nations around the world are encouraged to express.
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Haven't seen Germany resenting "paying the bill" anyone with half a brain and forethought knows that we were essentially creating markets for us to enrich ourselves.

How much richer have we got by investing in these nations, our economy would be nowhere near as big without the EU
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Germans do resent always paying out more for small poorer states in the EU, from German mouths, and you confirm the whole capitalist money grabbing ethos of the EU in your opening paragrapgh.

We got richer by investing in EU nations?.. but before and after Membership, that just stops, and does not exist outwith the 27 eu states?
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we also got richer by others investing in the UK and as intel and Tesla said recently they were considering investment in the UK but now they won't be.

because of Brexit, Even the mighty Brexit supporters aren't investing here, like Dyson moving to Singapore and Ratcliffe pulling his plans from Wales


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Big business follows money....always will.


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indeed it does, it's a shame as a nation a minority decided to considerably damage the country.
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For many reasons, not wanting to damage anything, people voted.

EU positives were sold badly and voters were belittled by the establishment, from all sides.

You reference unions losing power, and although i am a union member of nipsa, i do read about seventies union actions wrecking the place and leading voters to go for Thatcher, because unions overayed their jand, so it is always more complex than, unions lost power, fir example.


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"voters were belittled by the establishment, from all sides."

they were not, they were told not to believe the lies the leave campaign telling them. and project fear was the term they were told shout as they shut their eyes and stuck their fingers in their ears

The leave campaign was shameful, it even broke the law

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44856992


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Leave lied and spun too, but remain were the good guys, right?

Cameron and Osborne lied about economic collapse right away in June 2016 and mass unemployment, more isis terror attacks without EU intel, civil war in Ulster etc etc, which was meant to happen the day after brexit vote in June 2016, so massive remainer lies too.

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99% of people do not read a party manifesto or referendum guide, and we here are a small cabal of political animals, unlike most humans, lol.

As i just posted, there were only 6 original EEC members, so we joined a much different club in the seventies.

It makes perfect sense for small nations to join and get funding, but sometimes, Germany and the uk resented paying the bill.

Again, in hindsight i get the money argument of being in the eu, but nearly 18 million brits rejected membership, so that must make alarm bells ring in brussels and remain camp.

You either feel part of some EU political union or you do not....and place more emphasis on national identity and self- determination, as nations around the world are encouraged to express.
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Haven't seen Germany resenting "paying the bill" anyone with half a brain and forethought knows that we were essentially creating markets for us to enrich ourselves.

How much richer have we got by investing in these nations, our economy would be nowhere near as big without the EU
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Germans do resent always paying out more for small poorer states in the EU, from German mouths, and you confirm the whole capitalist money grabbing ethos of the EU in your opening paragrapgh.

We got richer by investing in EU nations?.. but before and after Membership, that just stops, and does not exist outwith the 27 eu states?
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we also got richer by others investing in the UK and as intel and Tesla said recently they were considering investment in the UK but now they won't be.

because of Brexit, Even the mighty Brexit supporters aren't investing here, like Dyson moving to Singapore and Ratcliffe pulling his plans from Wales


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Big business follows money....always will.


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indeed it does, it's a shame as a nation a minority decided to considerably damage the country.
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One might say that is what SNP voters do, as economically, (and now Scottish oil is evil in the green coalition) voting indy could wreck Scotland....like NI, Scots receive much more than they pay in, and you can hardly rely on British currency going forward, so should you not reject indy, just in case?

Counter argument is get rid of london rule, as seen with brexit and brussels rule, of course.
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"Scots receive much more than they pay in,"

this is not true
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Check figures.

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99% of people do not read a party manifesto or referendum guide, and we here are a small cabal of political animals, unlike most humans, lol.

As i just posted, there were only 6 original EEC members, so we joined a much different club in the seventies.

It makes perfect sense for small nations to join and get funding, but sometimes, Germany and the uk resented paying the bill.

Again, in hindsight i get the money argument of being in the eu, but nearly 18 million brits rejected membership, so that must make alarm bells ring in brussels and remain camp.

You either feel part of some EU political union or you do not....and place more emphasis on national identity and self- determination, as nations around the world are encouraged to express.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Haven't seen Germany resenting "paying the bill" anyone with half a brain and forethought knows that we were essentially creating markets for us to enrich ourselves.

How much richer have we got by investing in these nations, our economy would be nowhere near as big without the EU
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Germans do resent always paying out more for small poorer states in the EU, from German mouths, and you confirm the whole capitalist money grabbing ethos of the EU in your opening paragrapgh.

We got richer by investing in EU nations?.. but before and after Membership, that just stops, and does not exist outwith the 27 eu states?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
we also got richer by others investing in the UK and as intel and Tesla said recently they were considering investment in the UK but now they won't be.

because of Brexit, Even the mighty Brexit supporters aren't investing here, like Dyson moving to Singapore and Ratcliffe pulling his plans from Wales


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Big business follows money....always will.


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indeed it does, it's a shame as a nation a minority decided to considerably damage the country.
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One might say that is what SNP voters do, as economically, (and now Scottish oil is evil in the green coalition) voting indy could wreck Scotland....like NI, Scots receive much more than they pay in, and you can hardly rely on British currency going forward, so should you not reject indy, just in case?

Counter argument is get rid of london rule, as seen with brexit and brussels rule, of course.
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"Scots receive much more than they pay in,"

this is not true
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and obviously is off topic because you are unable to deal with the issues.

but hey oh Scotland game is on so I will leave to it.
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I am dealing with the issues, ie. Indy referendums.

One good, one bad, is all?

Good luck Scotland v Israel and Norn iron v Swiss.

Cheers for chat, Samus....i was trying to stay off the booze today, Sober October, and none for weeks after becoming a lockdown lush, so ta for enabling my sobriety and putting up with my manic mayhem, lol.

Cheers, wi coffee.♥️

Sober October? Is this a thing?
I prefer Oktoberfest.
This thread reminds me of a Billy Preston song.
Willie go round in circles.

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99% of people do not read a party manifesto or referendum guide, and we here are a small cabal of political animals, unlike most humans, lol.

As i just posted, there were only 6 original EEC members, so we joined a much different club in the seventies.

It makes perfect sense for small nations to join and get funding, but sometimes, Germany and the uk resented paying the bill.

Again, in hindsight i get the money argument of being in the eu, but nearly 18 million brits rejected membership, so that must make alarm bells ring in brussels and remain camp.

You either feel part of some EU political union or you do not....and place more emphasis on national identity and self- determination, as nations around the world are encouraged to express.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Haven't seen Germany resenting "paying the bill" anyone with half a brain and forethought knows that we were essentially creating markets for us to enrich ourselves.

How much richer have we got by investing in these nations, our economy would be nowhere near as big without the EU
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Germans do resent always paying out more for small poorer states in the EU, from German mouths, and you confirm the whole capitalist money grabbing ethos of the EU in your opening paragrapgh.

We got richer by investing in EU nations?.. but before and after Membership, that just stops, and does not exist outwith the 27 eu states?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
we also got richer by others investing in the UK and as intel and Tesla said recently they were considering investment in the UK but now they won't be.

because of Brexit, Even the mighty Brexit supporters aren't investing here, like Dyson moving to Singapore and Ratcliffe pulling his plans from Wales


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Big business follows money....always will.


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indeed it does, it's a shame as a nation a minority decided to considerably damage the country.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
One might say that is what SNP voters do, as economically, (and now Scottish oil is evil in the green coalition) voting indy could wreck Scotland....like NI, Scots receive much more than they pay in, and you can hardly rely on British currency going forward, so should you not reject indy, just in case?

Counter argument is get rid of london rule, as seen with brexit and brussels rule, of course.
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"Scots receive much more than they pay in,"

this is not true
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Barnett Formula, budget in recent years, Scotland received 121% per person, compared to an English person, with NI on 125%, and Wales 118%, so budget figures suggests England is paying more in for us celts.

If any of us leave, we need to make up the difference, so voting indy is iffy, Dublin and SNP take note.

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Sober October? Is this a thing?
I prefer Oktoberfest.
This thread reminds me of a Billy Preston song.
Willie go round in circles.
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Aye, Sober October is real.....ly boring, lol.

I did you tell you about Rangers trip to Munich 89 during Oktoberfest?

Thousands of bears on the lash for days, i slept in a puddle in our tent, as i always got in last, and had an indentation from the steins in my finger for ages aftereards, including when signing in to Uni with the shakes, haha.

An Italian bloke on our campsite met us and said he wanted to be a proddy, as el pappa takes all our money.

Misdionary work, man.

comment by son of quebec (U8127)
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Sober October? Is this a thing?
I prefer Oktoberfest.
This thread reminds me of a Billy Preston song.
Willie go round in circles.
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Pointy doing sober October too.

He said, "i never realised life was so dull" lol

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99% of people do not read a party manifesto or referendum guide, and we here are a small cabal of political animals, unlike most humans, lol.

As i just posted, there were only 6 original EEC members, so we joined a much different club in the seventies.

It makes perfect sense for small nations to join and get funding, but sometimes, Germany and the uk resented paying the bill.

Again, in hindsight i get the money argument of being in the eu, but nearly 18 million brits rejected membership, so that must make alarm bells ring in brussels and remain camp.

You either feel part of some EU political union or you do not....and place more emphasis on national identity and self- determination, as nations around the world are encouraged to express.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Haven't seen Germany resenting "paying the bill" anyone with half a brain and forethought knows that we were essentially creating markets for us to enrich ourselves.

How much richer have we got by investing in these nations, our economy would be nowhere near as big without the EU
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Germans do resent always paying out more for small poorer states in the EU, from German mouths, and you confirm the whole capitalist money grabbing ethos of the EU in your opening paragrapgh.

We got richer by investing in EU nations?.. but before and after Membership, that just stops, and does not exist outwith the 27 eu states?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
we also got richer by others investing in the UK and as intel and Tesla said recently they were considering investment in the UK but now they won't be.

because of Brexit, Even the mighty Brexit supporters aren't investing here, like Dyson moving to Singapore and Ratcliffe pulling his plans from Wales


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Big business follows money....always will.


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indeed it does, it's a shame as a nation a minority decided to considerably damage the country.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
One might say that is what SNP voters do, as economically, (and now Scottish oil is evil in the green coalition) voting indy could wreck Scotland....like NI, Scots receive much more than they pay in, and you can hardly rely on British currency going forward, so should you not reject indy, just in case?

Counter argument is get rid of london rule, as seen with brexit and brussels rule, of course.
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"Scots receive much more than they pay in,"

this is not true
----------------------------------------------------------------------
and obviously is off topic because you are unable to deal with the issues.

but hey oh Scotland game is on so I will leave to it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I am dealing with the issues, ie. Indy referendums.

One good, one bad, is all?

Good luck Scotland v Israel and Norn iron v Swiss.

Cheers for chat, Samus....i was trying to stay off the booze today, Sober October, and none for weeks after becoming a lockdown lush, so ta for enabling my sobriety and putting up with my manic mayhem, lol.

Cheers, wi coffee.♥️


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you can't say cheers with a coffee!

irish it up a bit

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99% of people do not read a party manifesto or referendum guide, and we here are a small cabal of political animals, unlike most humans, lol.

As i just posted, there were only 6 original EEC members, so we joined a much different club in the seventies.

It makes perfect sense for small nations to join and get funding, but sometimes, Germany and the uk resented paying the bill.

Again, in hindsight i get the money argument of being in the eu, but nearly 18 million brits rejected membership, so that must make alarm bells ring in brussels and remain camp.

You either feel part of some EU political union or you do not....and place more emphasis on national identity and self- determination, as nations around the world are encouraged to express.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Haven't seen Germany resenting "paying the bill" anyone with half a brain and forethought knows that we were essentially creating markets for us to enrich ourselves.

How much richer have we got by investing in these nations, our economy would be nowhere near as big without the EU
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Germans do resent always paying out more for small poorer states in the EU, from German mouths, and you confirm the whole capitalist money grabbing ethos of the EU in your opening paragrapgh.

We got richer by investing in EU nations?.. but before and after Membership, that just stops, and does not exist outwith the 27 eu states?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
we also got richer by others investing in the UK and as intel and Tesla said recently they were considering investment in the UK but now they won't be.

because of Brexit, Even the mighty Brexit supporters aren't investing here, like Dyson moving to Singapore and Ratcliffe pulling his plans from Wales


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Big business follows money....always will.


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indeed it does, it's a shame as a nation a minority decided to considerably damage the country.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
One might say that is what SNP voters do, as economically, (and now Scottish oil is evil in the green coalition) voting indy could wreck Scotland....like NI, Scots receive much more than they pay in, and you can hardly rely on British currency going forward, so should you not reject indy, just in case?

Counter argument is get rid of london rule, as seen with brexit and brussels rule, of course.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Scots receive much more than they pay in,"

this is not true
----------------------------------------------------------------------
and obviously is off topic because you are unable to deal with the issues.

but hey oh Scotland game is on so I will leave to it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I am dealing with the issues, ie. Indy referendums.

One good, one bad, is all?

Good luck Scotland v Israel and Norn iron v Swiss.

Cheers for chat, Samus....i was trying to stay off the booze today, Sober October, and none for weeks after becoming a lockdown lush, so ta for enabling my sobriety and putting up with my manic mayhem, lol.

Cheers, wi coffee.♥️


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you can't say cheers with a coffee!

irish it up a bit
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Haha, cannae do it, as lost my celtic daft mum in law this time last year in a care home, so wife, her sister and daughters are out and i am teddy bear taxi later.

And my daughter is out for mates 14th, so have to collect her tonight, as not letting girls walk hame.

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99% of people do not read a party manifesto or referendum guide, and we here are a small cabal of political animals, unlike most humans, lol.

As i just posted, there were only 6 original EEC members, so we joined a much different club in the seventies.

It makes perfect sense for small nations to join and get funding, but sometimes, Germany and the uk resented paying the bill.

Again, in hindsight i get the money argument of being in the eu, but nearly 18 million brits rejected membership, so that must make alarm bells ring in brussels and remain camp.

You either feel part of some EU political union or you do not....and place more emphasis on national identity and self- determination, as nations around the world are encouraged to express.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Haven't seen Germany resenting "paying the bill" anyone with half a brain and forethought knows that we were essentially creating markets for us to enrich ourselves.

How much richer have we got by investing in these nations, our economy would be nowhere near as big without the EU
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Germans do resent always paying out more for small poorer states in the EU, from German mouths, and you confirm the whole capitalist money grabbing ethos of the EU in your opening paragrapgh.

We got richer by investing in EU nations?.. but before and after Membership, that just stops, and does not exist outwith the 27 eu states?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
we also got richer by others investing in the UK and as intel and Tesla said recently they were considering investment in the UK but now they won't be.

because of Brexit, Even the mighty Brexit supporters aren't investing here, like Dyson moving to Singapore and Ratcliffe pulling his plans from Wales


----------------------------------------------------------------------
Big business follows money....always will.


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indeed it does, it's a shame as a nation a minority decided to considerably damage the country.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
One might say that is what SNP voters do, as economically, (and now Scottish oil is evil in the green coalition) voting indy could wreck Scotland....like NI, Scots receive much more than they pay in, and you can hardly rely on British currency going forward, so should you not reject indy, just in case?

Counter argument is get rid of london rule, as seen with brexit and brussels rule, of course.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Scots receive much more than they pay in,"

this is not true
----------------------------------------------------------------------
and obviously is off topic because you are unable to deal with the issues.

but hey oh Scotland game is on so I will leave to it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I am dealing with the issues, ie. Indy referendums.

One good, one bad, is all?

Good luck Scotland v Israel and Norn iron v Swiss.

Cheers for chat, Samus....i was trying to stay off the booze today, Sober October, and none for weeks after becoming a lockdown lush, so ta for enabling my sobriety and putting up with my manic mayhem, lol.

Cheers, wi coffee.♥️


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you can't say cheers with a coffee!

irish it up a bit
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Israel 2-1 up....

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I see some Afghan refugees are asking to go back to Afghanistan. Being ruled by the Taliban is better than Britain.

Dunno whether to laugh or cry. 🤣😭🤣
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Local comedians put up a video of border cops stopping guys at Larne port under a lorry, on their way to kabul..."No guys, you have to remain in Larne"