I rarely comment on here but felt I could on this. I was RE co-ordinator in a state school in Sheffield. I was also brought up in NI as a Protestant where only Christianity was taught.
First point is that re is optional in all state schools in the UK . All parents have the right.to withdraw their children from those lessons as they are not on any national curriculum but each LA has their own.
Secondly the curriculum changed in 2014 to becoming comparative so instead of studying say Islam you would study a strand of religious practice say prayer and look at how different religions approach this. In ks1 children should study Christianity plus any other and in ks2 Christianity Islam plus one other.
3rd point which is key in new curriculum is that both humanism and athiethsm have been introduced to curriculum once children reach year 5.
I think in today's society it's crucial to teach religion not.to force beliefs upon anyone but to allow children to understand the world they live in and if taught properly helps lead to a multicultural and unified society.
I think in today's society it's crucial to teach religion not.to force beliefs upon anyone but to allow children to understand the world they live in and if taught properly helps lead to a multicultural and unified society.
This is a good point and is a far cry from the religion I was taught as a kid
I think it's important to teach children about different religions and what that means.
There's too much ignorance and bigotry in the world - removing this education is hardly likely to help.
Absolutely it should be phased out, to make room in the curriculum for Philosophy and Civics instead; or just let them spend more time on useful subjects that will help kids become more productive members of society.
It can easily be covered in one term under History or Social Studies, or at a pinch Story Time.
comment by Kuwaiti Manc (U9752)
posted 2 minutes ago
First point is that re is optional in all state schools in the UK . All parents have the right.to withdraw their children from those lessons as they are not on any national curriculum
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I think that applies more to secondary school doesn't it?
How does that stop hymns in assembly, prayer time before coming home and all that other stuff that goes on in Primary schools?
The truth is.....the land the schools are on are often owned by the church. It's why a large portion of Primary Schools are called St Luke's, Michaels, Thomas, John etc.
An essential part for integrating into a very diverse country. The school I went to in Manchester offered religious assembly for all main religions and I think it helps us all acclimate to the multicultural life that we have here in the UK.
In my opinion, any parent that wants their children to not even be educated about other religions in basic terms, is being ignorant and creating ignorance. you can be jewish, muslim, christian, jedi; whatever you want to be but there is no harm in learning a little bit about the other religions.
Don't think there is anything wrong with being educated ABOUT religion and it's background and the destruction it has caused but it should absolutely not be pushed on any child given we all know it is a complete and utter sham.
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Kuwaiti Manc (U9752)
posted 2 minutes ago
First point is that re is optional in all state schools in the UK . All parents have the right.to withdraw their children from those lessons as they are not on any national curriculum
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I think that applies more to secondary school doesn't it?
How does that stop hymns in assembly, prayer time before coming home and all that other stuff that goes on in Primary schools?
The truth is.....the land the schools are on are often owned by the church. It's why a large portion of Primary Schools are called St Luke's, Michaels, Thomas, John etc.
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I suppose it depends where you live. In Sheffield there were maybe 10% of schools controlled by church but in Derbyshire lots more country schools. If you choose to send you school to a church school where the church pays 10% of the budget you can't complain about RE being taught.
Any religious education is optional in all schools in UK. I would questions why a parent wants to remove however
comment by Cinciwolf--Top ten finish? Piece of pee (U11551)
posted 31 seconds ago
Don't think there is anything wrong with being educated ABOUT religion and it's background and the destruction it has caused but it should absolutely not be pushed on any child given we all know it is a complete and utter sham.
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Probably shouldn't teach politics, banking or estate agency either then.
Apart from anything else it's the most boring subject on the planet, I went to a catholic school and we had nuns teaching it, life doesn't get any worse than that
comment by Cinciwolf--Top ten finish? Piece of pee (U11551)
posted 1 minute ago
Don't think there is anything wrong with being educated ABOUT religion and it's background and the destruction it has caused but it should absolutely not be pushed on any child given we all know it is a complete and utter sham.
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How anything which gives joy and hope to millions can be called an utter sham shows a lack of tolerance and education. It's as bad as religious people saying athiest is evil. Each to there own.
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 24 seconds ago
Apart from anything else it's the most boring subject on the planet....
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You're kidding, it's all about stories and dragons ans sh-t.
Maybe not so many dragons. I took 'Commerce' for a year - now that was f-cking boring. What a mistake that was.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 46 seconds ago
An essential part for integrating into a very diverse country. The school I went to in Manchester offered religious assembly for all main religions and I think it helps us all acclimate to the multicultural life that we have here in the UK.
In my opinion, any parent that wants their children to not even be educated about other religions in basic terms, is being ignorant and creating ignorance. you can be jewish, muslim, christian, jedi; whatever you want to be but there is no harm in learning a little bit about the other religions.
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To quote Ricky Gervais " There are roughly 2,000 different gods said to have existed. I believe in none of them and a person of faith believes in just one less than I do"
At the end of the day. Religion is nothy more than stories. If religion was wiped from the earth entirely and returned 500 years later....would it be exactly the same? No!
If Science were would it return the same 500 years later? Yes it would because the same tests would be carried out leading to the same results.
Religion for me was simply a way of controlling people many many years ago that asked questions people simply had no answer for at the time.
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf--Top ten finish? Piece of pee (U11551)
posted 31 seconds ago
Don't think there is anything wrong with being educated ABOUT religion and it's background and the destruction it has caused but it should absolutely not be pushed on any child given we all know it is a complete and utter sham.
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Probably shouldn't teach politics, banking or estate agency either then.
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Aren't they real either then?
comment by Kuwaiti Manc (U9752)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cinciwolf--Top ten finish? Piece of pee (U11551)
posted 1 minute ago
Don't think there is anything wrong with being educated ABOUT religion and it's background and the destruction it has caused but it should absolutely not be pushed on any child given we all know it is a complete and utter sham.
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How anything which gives joy and hope to millions can be called an utter sham shows a lack of tolerance and education. It's as bad as religious people saying athiest is evil. Each to there own.
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No it doesnt show lack of tolerance or education, theres just nothing of substance that makes me even believe even a tiny bit that any of these stories are anything but what man made up
Pehaps if there was only 1 world religion id be inclined to possible believe it
Complete nonsense that it's taught to kids to indoctrinate. We live in a very multicultural society and simply learning about other faiths and their beliefs helps in understanding why religious people do what they do or carry out certain practices.
Look at the Yanks for example, they're too thick to recognise even the basic differences between a Sikh and a Muslim for example which lead to a remarkable number of hate crimes against the wrong identity. Not that hate crimes are right against anyone though.
Also don't get why a lot of atheists have such a huge problem with religious people - if someone else's God doesn't exist why does he bother you so much?
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 40 minutes ago
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posted 6 minutes ago
better than schools force feeding this lgbt agenda
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Yup.
To quote Ricky Gervais " There are roughly 2,000 different gods said to have existed. I believe in none of them and a person of faith believes in just one less than I do"
Is that really a quote? It seems more likely he would have said "...one more than I do", or have I missed something?
I've read this 500 years thing before, and I think it's wrong. I think that's there is so much common to all relgions, that it would come back pretty much as it is. Despite the apparent dogma involved in religion, they do all move on just at a slow pace. So maybe 500 years is pushing it a bit, but in a couple of thousand years I think you'd end up much where we are now.
oh btw
Gaianism > every other religion
I think people are getting confused between 'getting taught about religion' and their child getting indoctrinated to believe in God by the school headmaster. In primary school (even though it was a 'Christian' school at least historically) I learned about all 6 major religions, their history, beliefs, their celebrations. In particular I remember helped me understand more about my muslim friends eg. before that when the lads fasted / partially fasted for Eid I had no idea why.
Depends entirely on what is being taught.
If the subject exists to educate people on what other people believe, their customers, traditions, rituals, the history of beliefs, the diversity of beliefs, critiques of those beliefs and extensions of those subjects like ethical philosophy then... Great!
If the subject exists to essentially indoctrinate children into a particular line of faith, then obviously, no - not good. But is that actually happening in regularly RE lessons in non-Faith schools? I doubt it.
Numeracy, literacy etc are vital for a child's development. Learning about different cultures is also very important. But faith does not belong with culture yet it's often thrown in with it from my experience.
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Also 'faith does not belong with culture' is a pretty silly thing to say. If you want your child to be exposed and taught about different cultures expect them to be taught about different religions too.
comment by Kuwaiti Manc (U9752)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf--Top ten finish? Piece of pee (U11551)
posted 1 minute ago
Don't think there is anything wrong with being educated ABOUT religion and it's background and the destruction it has caused but it should absolutely not be pushed on any child given we all know it is a complete and utter sham.
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How anything which gives joy and hope to millions can be called an utter sham shows a lack of tolerance and education. It's as bad as religious people saying athiest is evil. Each to there own.
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I believe it to be a sham but I don't care one bit if others do or don't. That doesn't mean impressionable young children should be taught it regardless.
You want your kids to be religious. Take them to the church, mosque or wherever on your own time. Leave my kid out of it. I'd rather my child be taught about facts not fiction.
Harry Potter may as well be a subject. It's got as much relevance and kids would be far more enthused.
Religion for me was simply a way of controlling people many many years ago that asked questions people simply had no answer for at the time.
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Couldn't agree more but the point at hand is about mixing it up and I think that RS helps that a lot. I can't remember too much of it as it was 20 odd years ago now but I like that I can say that I will know bits about all of the major religions as it shows that I willing and 'interested' in other people's religions/cultures even though I agree that it was just a way of giving the masses a set of rules to live by, at least initially that's what they're all about.
comment by Cinciwolf--Top ten finish? Piece of pee (U11551)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf--Top ten finish? Piece of pee (U11551)
posted 31 seconds ago
Don't think there is anything wrong with being educated ABOUT religion and it's background and the destruction it has caused but it should absolutely not be pushed on any child given we all know it is a complete and utter sham.
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Probably shouldn't teach politics, banking or estate agency either then.
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Aren't they real either then?
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Well if you put it like that - can you touch politics, can you eat politics, can you breathe poltics, does politics keep you warm? No they are not real. They are all social stations designed to make life a little easier in largely intangible ways. Like religion.
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posted on 21/9/18
I rarely comment on here but felt I could on this. I was RE co-ordinator in a state school in Sheffield. I was also brought up in NI as a Protestant where only Christianity was taught.
First point is that re is optional in all state schools in the UK . All parents have the right.to withdraw their children from those lessons as they are not on any national curriculum but each LA has their own.
Secondly the curriculum changed in 2014 to becoming comparative so instead of studying say Islam you would study a strand of religious practice say prayer and look at how different religions approach this. In ks1 children should study Christianity plus any other and in ks2 Christianity Islam plus one other.
3rd point which is key in new curriculum is that both humanism and athiethsm have been introduced to curriculum once children reach year 5.
I think in today's society it's crucial to teach religion not.to force beliefs upon anyone but to allow children to understand the world they live in and if taught properly helps lead to a multicultural and unified society.
posted on 21/9/18
I think in today's society it's crucial to teach religion not.to force beliefs upon anyone but to allow children to understand the world they live in and if taught properly helps lead to a multicultural and unified society.
This is a good point and is a far cry from the religion I was taught as a kid
posted on 21/9/18
I think it's important to teach children about different religions and what that means.
There's too much ignorance and bigotry in the world - removing this education is hardly likely to help.
posted on 21/9/18
Absolutely it should be phased out, to make room in the curriculum for Philosophy and Civics instead; or just let them spend more time on useful subjects that will help kids become more productive members of society.
It can easily be covered in one term under History or Social Studies, or at a pinch Story Time.
posted on 21/9/18
comment by Kuwaiti Manc (U9752)
posted 2 minutes ago
First point is that re is optional in all state schools in the UK . All parents have the right.to withdraw their children from those lessons as they are not on any national curriculum
--------------------------
I think that applies more to secondary school doesn't it?
How does that stop hymns in assembly, prayer time before coming home and all that other stuff that goes on in Primary schools?
The truth is.....the land the schools are on are often owned by the church. It's why a large portion of Primary Schools are called St Luke's, Michaels, Thomas, John etc.
posted on 21/9/18
An essential part for integrating into a very diverse country. The school I went to in Manchester offered religious assembly for all main religions and I think it helps us all acclimate to the multicultural life that we have here in the UK.
In my opinion, any parent that wants their children to not even be educated about other religions in basic terms, is being ignorant and creating ignorance. you can be jewish, muslim, christian, jedi; whatever you want to be but there is no harm in learning a little bit about the other religions.
posted on 21/9/18
Don't think there is anything wrong with being educated ABOUT religion and it's background and the destruction it has caused but it should absolutely not be pushed on any child given we all know it is a complete and utter sham.
posted on 21/9/18
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Kuwaiti Manc (U9752)
posted 2 minutes ago
First point is that re is optional in all state schools in the UK . All parents have the right.to withdraw their children from those lessons as they are not on any national curriculum
--------------------------
I think that applies more to secondary school doesn't it?
How does that stop hymns in assembly, prayer time before coming home and all that other stuff that goes on in Primary schools?
The truth is.....the land the schools are on are often owned by the church. It's why a large portion of Primary Schools are called St Luke's, Michaels, Thomas, John etc.
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I suppose it depends where you live. In Sheffield there were maybe 10% of schools controlled by church but in Derbyshire lots more country schools. If you choose to send you school to a church school where the church pays 10% of the budget you can't complain about RE being taught.
Any religious education is optional in all schools in UK. I would questions why a parent wants to remove however
posted on 21/9/18
comment by Cinciwolf--Top ten finish? Piece of pee (U11551)
posted 31 seconds ago
Don't think there is anything wrong with being educated ABOUT religion and it's background and the destruction it has caused but it should absolutely not be pushed on any child given we all know it is a complete and utter sham.
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Probably shouldn't teach politics, banking or estate agency either then.
posted on 21/9/18
Apart from anything else it's the most boring subject on the planet, I went to a catholic school and we had nuns teaching it, life doesn't get any worse than that
posted on 21/9/18
comment by Cinciwolf--Top ten finish? Piece of pee (U11551)
posted 1 minute ago
Don't think there is anything wrong with being educated ABOUT religion and it's background and the destruction it has caused but it should absolutely not be pushed on any child given we all know it is a complete and utter sham.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How anything which gives joy and hope to millions can be called an utter sham shows a lack of tolerance and education. It's as bad as religious people saying athiest is evil. Each to there own.
posted on 21/9/18
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 24 seconds ago
Apart from anything else it's the most boring subject on the planet....
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You're kidding, it's all about stories and dragons ans sh-t.
Maybe not so many dragons. I took 'Commerce' for a year - now that was f-cking boring. What a mistake that was.
posted on 21/9/18
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 46 seconds ago
An essential part for integrating into a very diverse country. The school I went to in Manchester offered religious assembly for all main religions and I think it helps us all acclimate to the multicultural life that we have here in the UK.
In my opinion, any parent that wants their children to not even be educated about other religions in basic terms, is being ignorant and creating ignorance. you can be jewish, muslim, christian, jedi; whatever you want to be but there is no harm in learning a little bit about the other religions.
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To quote Ricky Gervais " There are roughly 2,000 different gods said to have existed. I believe in none of them and a person of faith believes in just one less than I do"
At the end of the day. Religion is nothy more than stories. If religion was wiped from the earth entirely and returned 500 years later....would it be exactly the same? No!
If Science were would it return the same 500 years later? Yes it would because the same tests would be carried out leading to the same results.
Religion for me was simply a way of controlling people many many years ago that asked questions people simply had no answer for at the time.
posted on 21/9/18
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf--Top ten finish? Piece of pee (U11551)
posted 31 seconds ago
Don't think there is anything wrong with being educated ABOUT religion and it's background and the destruction it has caused but it should absolutely not be pushed on any child given we all know it is a complete and utter sham.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Probably shouldn't teach politics, banking or estate agency either then.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Aren't they real either then?
posted on 21/9/18
comment by Kuwaiti Manc (U9752)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cinciwolf--Top ten finish? Piece of pee (U11551)
posted 1 minute ago
Don't think there is anything wrong with being educated ABOUT religion and it's background and the destruction it has caused but it should absolutely not be pushed on any child given we all know it is a complete and utter sham.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How anything which gives joy and hope to millions can be called an utter sham shows a lack of tolerance and education. It's as bad as religious people saying athiest is evil. Each to there own.
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No it doesnt show lack of tolerance or education, theres just nothing of substance that makes me even believe even a tiny bit that any of these stories are anything but what man made up
Pehaps if there was only 1 world religion id be inclined to possible believe it
posted on 21/9/18
Complete nonsense that it's taught to kids to indoctrinate. We live in a very multicultural society and simply learning about other faiths and their beliefs helps in understanding why religious people do what they do or carry out certain practices.
Look at the Yanks for example, they're too thick to recognise even the basic differences between a Sikh and a Muslim for example which lead to a remarkable number of hate crimes against the wrong identity. Not that hate crimes are right against anyone though.
Also don't get why a lot of atheists have such a huge problem with religious people - if someone else's God doesn't exist why does he bother you so much?
posted on 21/9/18
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by (U21947)
posted 6 minutes ago
better than schools force feeding this lgbt agenda
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Yup.
posted on 21/9/18
To quote Ricky Gervais " There are roughly 2,000 different gods said to have existed. I believe in none of them and a person of faith believes in just one less than I do"
Is that really a quote? It seems more likely he would have said "...one more than I do", or have I missed something?
I've read this 500 years thing before, and I think it's wrong. I think that's there is so much common to all relgions, that it would come back pretty much as it is. Despite the apparent dogma involved in religion, they do all move on just at a slow pace. So maybe 500 years is pushing it a bit, but in a couple of thousand years I think you'd end up much where we are now.
posted on 21/9/18
oh btw
Gaianism > every other religion
posted on 21/9/18
I think people are getting confused between 'getting taught about religion' and their child getting indoctrinated to believe in God by the school headmaster. In primary school (even though it was a 'Christian' school at least historically) I learned about all 6 major religions, their history, beliefs, their celebrations. In particular I remember helped me understand more about my muslim friends eg. before that when the lads fasted / partially fasted for Eid I had no idea why.
posted on 21/9/18
Depends entirely on what is being taught.
If the subject exists to educate people on what other people believe, their customers, traditions, rituals, the history of beliefs, the diversity of beliefs, critiques of those beliefs and extensions of those subjects like ethical philosophy then... Great!
If the subject exists to essentially indoctrinate children into a particular line of faith, then obviously, no - not good. But is that actually happening in regularly RE lessons in non-Faith schools? I doubt it.
posted on 21/9/18
Numeracy, literacy etc are vital for a child's development. Learning about different cultures is also very important. But faith does not belong with culture yet it's often thrown in with it from my experience.
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Also 'faith does not belong with culture' is a pretty silly thing to say. If you want your child to be exposed and taught about different cultures expect them to be taught about different religions too.
posted on 21/9/18
comment by Kuwaiti Manc (U9752)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf--Top ten finish? Piece of pee (U11551)
posted 1 minute ago
Don't think there is anything wrong with being educated ABOUT religion and it's background and the destruction it has caused but it should absolutely not be pushed on any child given we all know it is a complete and utter sham.
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How anything which gives joy and hope to millions can be called an utter sham shows a lack of tolerance and education. It's as bad as religious people saying athiest is evil. Each to there own.
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I believe it to be a sham but I don't care one bit if others do or don't. That doesn't mean impressionable young children should be taught it regardless.
You want your kids to be religious. Take them to the church, mosque or wherever on your own time. Leave my kid out of it. I'd rather my child be taught about facts not fiction.
Harry Potter may as well be a subject. It's got as much relevance and kids would be far more enthused.
posted on 21/9/18
Religion for me was simply a way of controlling people many many years ago that asked questions people simply had no answer for at the time.
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Couldn't agree more but the point at hand is about mixing it up and I think that RS helps that a lot. I can't remember too much of it as it was 20 odd years ago now but I like that I can say that I will know bits about all of the major religions as it shows that I willing and 'interested' in other people's religions/cultures even though I agree that it was just a way of giving the masses a set of rules to live by, at least initially that's what they're all about.
posted on 21/9/18
comment by Cinciwolf--Top ten finish? Piece of pee (U11551)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf--Top ten finish? Piece of pee (U11551)
posted 31 seconds ago
Don't think there is anything wrong with being educated ABOUT religion and it's background and the destruction it has caused but it should absolutely not be pushed on any child given we all know it is a complete and utter sham.
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Probably shouldn't teach politics, banking or estate agency either then.
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Aren't they real either then?
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Well if you put it like that - can you touch politics, can you eat politics, can you breathe poltics, does politics keep you warm? No they are not real. They are all social stations designed to make life a little easier in largely intangible ways. Like religion.
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