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posted on 21/9/18

exactly, because instead of praying to be saved theyve already taken the lifeboats

posted on 21/9/18

comment by Adam 'The interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 27 seconds ago
Is atheism included in r.e now?
It wasnt for me but if you are teaching about religion, they should be teaching as to why athiests dont believe any of it.
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Yes, for me anyway. And I agree with that, (including education on atheism with all the major religions). Taught about Agnosticism too and everything in between. I’m guessing you’re ok with that?

posted on 21/9/18

comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 2 minutes ago
It's also a way of instilling fear into young children

"God is always watching you" etc etc

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That's just bad/lazy parenting.
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Yeah it should be Santa not God.

posted on 21/9/18

So far we've had:

Teach right from wrong
Learn about people who are different to us
Give hope and joy to millions.

All 3 things can be achieved by reading Harry Potter. Maybe my tongue in cheek comment wasn't as crazy as it first sounded?

What's the difference?

Should Scientology also be taught? It's got no less credibility considering there's zero proof to any form of god/gods ever existing?

Also still waiting for someone accidentally stumbling across this place called heaven. It's a real place but it's invisible apparently. Convenient.

posted on 21/9/18

comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 18 seconds ago
It’s a bit weird that people are against knowledge of any kind.
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It's mostly useless knowledge that's why

You might as well be studying wasps
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It depends how it’s being taught.

I don’t think kids should be taught that certain religions are true. The fundamentals should be taught and how those religions shaped history.

You can’t talk about the crusades without mentioning religion, The Roman Empire, Christianity and Constantine? Native Americans and the significance and impact of their religious practices on the way they lived.

Information about religion just has to be taught.
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In that case it could be incorporated into history, I seriously don't get why entire lessons should be taken up for this subject, it's just not that important in a child's development
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That’s what I suggested mate, I think you missed my earlier post.


posted on 21/9/18

You’ve already had two people on this thread that are grateful for the RE education they had in primary school. Pupils at GCSE level choose to learn about the subject. Even then you’re arguing semantics, if taught in ‘history’ on your kid’s timetable instead of ‘RE’ you’d still learn the same things.
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On a much smaller scale though, you wouldn't have 2-3 hours per week solely set aside for RE like we did at school, I honestly don't recall a single classmate who enjoyed the lesson

posted on 21/9/18

comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 1 minute ago
From the OP - "Numeracy, literacy etc are vital for a child's development."

What does the 'etc' bit stand for here? What other subjects do kids that age actually 'need' to know, to help them learn about the world, and form opinions and broaden their minds?

I don't think learning about erosion of river banks, or reading/writing like Shakespeare is really relevant or necessary.

I think RE was good for me in primary school ages, helped learn about all different religions around the world and what the different people believed, celebrated etc. Helped us understand Jehovah's witness kid more too.

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I don't happen to think Shakespeare is all that relevant either but then I never said it was. However literacy and therefore literature IS important.

Science is also very important. Instead of telling them that God made the sun and the trees and plants and rivers, I'd rather than just focus on the role they play in life which is Scientific and based on facts not myths.
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They do teach that as well though.

It's as if you think in history they just talk about how god made the earth, and then in science they teach how god made the animals and the plants.

RE is one subject, that's about all religions and is quite broad tbh from what I remember.
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I think Shakespeare takes up too much space in High School English. It should be touched upon as to show how people used to speak and write but I don't see the need for more than that. I don't seem to have benefited from reading MacBeth, R&J and the Merchant of Venice really. I'd be all for it being toned down on the curriculum.

posted on 21/9/18

Eric_the_king

Religion has shaped history, you can’t argue that it hasn’t. How do you teach history without talking about the worlds various religions. You have to teach the basics of each religion so children understand the historical context of certain events.

People shouldn’t be against knowledge of any kind.

posted on 21/9/18

comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
You’ve already had two people on this thread that are grateful for the RE education they had in primary school. Pupils at GCSE level choose to learn about the subject. Even then you’re arguing semantics, if taught in ‘history’ on your kid’s timetable instead of ‘RE’ you’d still learn the same things.
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On a much smaller scale though, you wouldn't have 2-3 hours per week solely set aside for RE like we did at school, I honestly don't recall a single classmate who enjoyed the lesson
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..ok fair enough. I had 1 hour/week (or even every two weeks) and that was probably fine looking back. I found the lessons interesting personally.

posted on 21/9/18

Do we need to teach all of these religions anyway? Could we not get someone of authority to decide which is the correct religion and go with that? Then the followers of the incorrect religions could be sent to festivals/camps to stop them from being distracted by their incorrect beliefs. We could call them concentration festivals or something. It would mean we only have the people left that follow the correct religion and we wouldn’t have all of this war and hatred in the world.

posted on 21/9/18

comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 1 minute ago
From the OP - "Numeracy, literacy etc are vital for a child's development."

What does the 'etc' bit stand for here? What other subjects do kids that age actually 'need' to know, to help them learn about the world, and form opinions and broaden their minds?

I don't think learning about erosion of river banks, or reading/writing like Shakespeare is really relevant or necessary.

I think RE was good for me in primary school ages, helped learn about all different religions around the world and what the different people believed, celebrated etc. Helped us understand Jehovah's witness kid more too.

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I don't happen to think Shakespeare is all that relevant either but then I never said it was. However literacy and therefore literature IS important.

Science is also very important. Instead of telling them that God made the sun and the trees and plants and rivers, I'd rather than just focus on the role they play in life which is Scientific and based on facts not myths.
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They do teach that as well though.

It's as if you think in history they just talk about how god made the earth, and then in science they teach how god made the animals and the plants.

RE is one subject, that's about all religions and is quite broad tbh from what I remember.
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I think Shakespeare takes up too much space in High School English. It should be touched upon as to show how people used to speak and write but I don't see the need for more than that. I don't seem to have benefited from reading MacBeth, R&J and the Merchant of Venice really. I'd be all for it being toned down on the curriculum.
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Agree, it should be a small section of English Literature once you get to year 10 and it's split into Lang/Lit but that's it.

posted on 21/9/18

comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Adam 'The interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 27 seconds ago
Is atheism included in r.e now?
It wasnt for me but if you are teaching about religion, they should be teaching as to why athiests dont believe any of it.
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Yes, for me anyway. And I agree with that, (including education on atheism with all the major religions). Taught about Agnosticism too and everything in between. I’m guessing you’re ok with that?
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Yeah, that solves my main issue, now that i know that im okay with it aslong as its given the same amount of attention (though i would be interested to see how they teach it, i'd hope they point out the issues with each religion that atheists have)

posted on 21/9/18

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posted on 21/9/18

comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 minutes ago
So far we've had:

Teach right from wrong
Learn about people who are different to us
Give hope and joy to millions.

All 3 things can be achieved by reading Harry Potter. Maybe my tongue in cheek comment wasn't as crazy as it first sounded?

What's the difference?

Should Scientology also be taught? It's got no less credibility considering there's zero proof to any form of god/gods ever existing?

Also still waiting for someone accidentally stumbling across this place called heaven. It's a real place but it's invisible apparently. Convenient.
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For like the third time..you not believing in other people’s religions isn’t a good enough reason why your kids shouldn’t be educated on the core beliefs, traditions and celebrations those religions entail. And how you want your kids to learn about other people’s culture not not religion is still a question I have - how would you even begin to do that? Tell me how you want kids to be exposed to (third time I’ve used this example) South Asian culture while wilfully ignoring Islam, Hinduism and Sikhism?

posted on 21/9/18

Why shouldn't they teach religion? They teach other fiction in English. How is Islam any different from Lord of the Flies?

posted on 21/9/18

comment by TheSpecialWUM (U9028)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 12 minutes ago

I've read this 500 years thing before, and I think it's wrong. I think that's there is so much common to all relgions, that it would come back pretty much as it is. Despite the apparent dogma involved in religion, they do all move on just at a slow pace. So maybe 500 years is pushing it a bit, but in a couple of thousand years I think you'd end up much where we are now.
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Clearly your thinking is flawed.

If somehow all human knowledge was lost including every single book/record etc.

In 500 years time, humans could re-discover Mathematics, Physics, Chemistry etc. exactly as they are now.
Two plus two will still be four. A water molecule will still contain Hydrogen and Oxygen.

As for religion - do you think we are going to get a repeat of what has happened previously i.e. some "virgin" is going to give birth to a god, or some crazy dude is going to get high on a mountain and hear voices? Or are people going to make up the exact same stories?
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That is not what I mean at all. Of course the stories wouldn't be the same; as I said in my post "there is so much common to all relgions (lots of different stories), that it would come back pretty much as it is."

The point is that the ideas and concepts behind the stories would be exactly the same, probably leading to much the same stories.

posted on 21/9/18

comment by Adam 'The interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Adam 'The interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 27 seconds ago
Is atheism included in r.e now?
It wasnt for me but if you are teaching about religion, they should be teaching as to why athiests dont believe any of it.
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Yes, for me anyway. And I agree with that, (including education on atheism with all the major religions). Taught about Agnosticism too and everything in between. I’m guessing you’re ok with that?
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Yeah, that solves my main issue, now that i know that im okay with itaslong as its given the same amount of attention (though i would be interested to see how they teach it, i'd hope they point out the issues with each religion that atheists have)
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I went to primary school in early 2000s so things may have been different at that point..it is noted with me a lot of the comments here seem from a previous generation. But yes we did learn about atheism and in secondary school especially learnt critically about the different theories for and against monotheism. (Upto year 9 or age 14)

posted on 21/9/18

Replace all the time currently allocated to religious poison and instead teach something useful (desperately needed) like cooking and exercise.

posted on 21/9/18

comment by Adam 'The interview' Lallana (U20650)
posted 10 minutes ago
Is atheism included in r.e now?
It wasnt for me but if you are teaching about religion, they should be teaching as to why athiests dont believe any of it.
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Yes but only from y5/6

posted on 21/9/18

There are much more relevant subjects that children could learn about that would stand them in good stead for adult life like Debt, recession, PPI, mortgages etc

posted on 21/9/18

comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 2 minutes ago
Eric_the_king

Religion has shaped history, you can’t argue that it hasn’t. How do you teach history without talking about the worlds various religions. You have to teach the basics of each religion so children understand the historical context of certain events.

People shouldn’t be against knowledge of any kind.
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Religion has shaped history in as many bad ways as good. Some would argue more bad ways.

It's absolute nonsense that you can't learn about different cultures without learning about religion. I'm interested in the clothing, music, cuisine, hobbies of countries not which God they choose to waste their time (in my humble opinion) praying to.

I love Bob Marley and reggae music. It's my favourite music to listen to and it's deeply religious and I'm an atheist. So how does that work? I like it because of the beat and how the music makes me feel. I don't particularly agree with Bob's words on Jah though.

posted on 21/9/18

comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 1 minute ago
Why shouldn't they teach religion? They teach other fiction in English. How is Islam any different from Lord of the Flies?
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The author/publisher won't behead you if you give the Lord of the Flies a bad review.

posted on 21/9/18

comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 1 second ago
Replace all the time currently allocated to religious poison and instead teach something useful (desperately needed) like cooking and exercise.
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Cooking and exercise already covered. In fact, PE lessons in Wales are double what they were when I first went into education.

posted on 21/9/18

comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 44 seconds ago
There are much more relevant subjects that children could learn about that would stand them in good stead for adult life like Debt, recession, PPI, mortgages etc
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Yep I’d love to be taught that in primary school

posted on 21/9/18

comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 1 minute ago
Replace all the time currently allocated to religious poison and instead teach something useful (desperately needed) like cooking and exercise.
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How many of you guys have kids who’ve gone school recently? Cooking lessons commonplace in secondary school along with sports.

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