Chil Thaw (U22165)
I'm not deflecting.
I am hoping that when you realise that pedestrians also use the road, so would need identification by your 'logic' you might start to realise how ridiculous it sounds.
Perhaps that's a step too far for you.
So you only cross a road if there's a pedestrian crossing?
What about side roads?
comment by Chil Thaw (U22165)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
Chil Thaw (U22165)
Leave your house for a walk.
See how far you get before you need to use a road.
Let me know how you get on.
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Instead of deflecting why not answer the question?
As for yours, I live in a town with many paths. The only time I’d step onto a road would be to cross it using a pedestrian crossing
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You better not cross when it is not a green man or you deserve to die.
Yet another article laden with Winston's whataboutery.
All the best to cyclists for their commute home. This is coming from a big car driver as well!
comment by Declan McDaid (U1734)
posted 20 seconds ago
All the best to cyclists for their commute home. This is coming from a big car driver as well!
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Let's hope I dont get hit by a cyclist whilst crossing the road
How else do you see it working? Make it law but everyone has to buy it themselves from a private firm, meaning we then ask the police to enforce
Come on. Think it through.
____________________________________
Isn't that how car insurance works ?
All the best to pedestrians on their walk home tonight. This is coming from a red light skipping cyclist as well!
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 14 minutes ago
Chil Thaw (U22165)
I'm not deflecting.
I am hoping that when you realise that pedestrians also use the road, so would need identification by your 'logic' you might start to realise how ridiculous it sounds.
Perhaps that's a step too far for you.
So you only cross a road if there's a pedestrian crossing?
What about side roads?
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I honestly can’t believe this isn’t a WUM....
well done Winston, you got me
If it isn’t a wum...
I got back to my question
Please explain why you feel any vehicle using the road shouldn’t be identifiable?
Chil Thaw (U22165)
FFS.
No, it's not a wum. Pedestrians use the road. They do.
But here's a different attempt at helping you see why you're wrong.
Motor vehicles are not identifiable 'because the use the road'. Licence plates, licensing and insurance are things that were introduced to help solve a problem.
That problem relates to the scale of the damage and injury/death that motor vehicles cause.
Someone didn't wake up one day and think 'anything that uses the road must be identifiable'. That is ridiculous logic.
So the answer to your question is, because we should only have a legal requirement for visual identification i.e. licensing, if it's going to solve a problem in society and if it's going to have a genuinely credible impact on our society.
It's simply not good enough to say 'well cars have to have them, so should bikes'.
I will be very surprised if you're able to step back and realise the logic in what I'm trying to explain to you but hey, give it a go at least.
Just reading the last half a dozen pages of comments to catch up. Seems Winston has been taken to the cleaners here.
What do you do for work Winston? Other than not a lot obviously?
comment by Declan McDaid (U1734)
posted 15 seconds ago
What do you do for work Winston? Other than not a lot obviously?
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I run my own small company.
Wasted time on here I know, but it goes in peaks and troughs - I have got it to a point where I don't need to run day to day stuff.
You?
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 17 minutes ago
How else do you see it working? Make it law but everyone has to buy it themselves from a private firm, meaning we then ask the police to enforce
Come on. Think it through.
____________________________________
Isn't that how car insurance works ?
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No. Only people with a car have to buy car insurance.
Sorry been out came back, saw the comment and posted. Then saw it had been answered.
Which because Winston realised he was wrong decided it was boring.
Anyway just come back from the post office/bank. Got onto the pedestrian area, and I kid you not, one of the first things I saw was a young man on an electric bike texting, I had to laugh, knew nobody would believe me, but it's true all the same. No danger however, few walkers in the area;
The point is the town has 25000 students, loads of scooters, motor scooters, bike hire points all over. The result as you can imagine is lots of people on two wheels all over the town, which is a good thing except on the footpaths and pedestrian areas, which all to often are busy with a mix of walkers of all ages and faster moving two wheelers.
You don't have to be clever to know that sometimes collisions will happen. Now the fact that cars are much more dangerous doesn't console the person hit by a bike or other. So a free for all is not the best solution imo.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Declan McDaid (U1734)
posted 15 seconds ago
What do you do for work Winston? Other than not a lot obviously?
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I run my own small company.
Wasted time on here I know, but it goes in peaks and troughs - I have got it to a point where I don't need to run day to day stuff.
You?
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If I told you what I was working on just now then I'd have to kill you. With my car.
Yes, only people with cars. But still it is obligatory, it is policed, it is paid to your private company of choice, and is not a tax.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 17 minutes ago
How else do you see it working? Make it law but everyone has to buy it themselves from a private firm, meaning we then ask the police to enforce
Come on. Think it through.
____________________________________
Isn't that how car insurance works ?
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No. Only people with a car have to buy car insurance.
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Only people that decide to work have to pay income tax...
manusince52 (U9692)
Yes, because that's what I have been suggestion - a free for all.
Great debate
comment by Declan McDaid (U1734)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Declan McDaid (U1734)
posted 15 seconds ago
What do you do for work Winston? Other than not a lot obviously?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I run my own small company.
Wasted time on here I know, but it goes in peaks and troughs - I have got it to a point where I don't need to run day to day stuff.
You?
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If I told you what I was working on just now then I'd have to kill you. With my car.
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comment by 🏆🏆🏆Allison Chains🏆🏆🏆 (U3979)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 17 minutes ago
How else do you see it working? Make it law but everyone has to buy it themselves from a private firm, meaning we then ask the police to enforce
Come on. Think it through.
____________________________________
Isn't that how car insurance works ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No. Only people with a car have to buy car insurance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Only people that decide to work have to pay income tax...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh dear.
Logic taking a real hit here, isn't it. What a laughable comment.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by 🏆🏆🏆Allison Chains🏆🏆🏆 (U3979)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 17 minutes ago
How else do you see it working? Make it law but everyone has to buy it themselves from a private firm, meaning we then ask the police to enforce
Come on. Think it through.
____________________________________
Isn't that how car insurance works ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No. Only people with a car have to buy car insurance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Only people that decide to work have to pay income tax...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh dear.
Logic taking a real hit here, isn't it. What a laughable comment.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How so?
Insurance is not a tax Winston...
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
Yes, only people with cars. But still it is obligatory, it is policed, it is paid to your private company of choice, and is not a tax.
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It's not compulsory though, so it makes sense that it is privatised.
Would you privatise the collection of a payment that every single person in the UK has to pay?
comment by 🏆🏆🏆Allison Chains🏆🏆🏆 (U3979)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by 🏆🏆🏆Allison Chains🏆🏆🏆 (U3979)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 17 minutes ago
How else do you see it working? Make it law but everyone has to buy it themselves from a private firm, meaning we then ask the police to enforce
Come on. Think it through.
____________________________________
Isn't that how car insurance works ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No. Only people with a car have to buy car insurance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Only people that decide to work have to pay income tax...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh dear.
Logic taking a real hit here, isn't it. What a laughable comment.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How so?
Insurance is not a tax Winston...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It would be in the scenario I described because it would effectively cease to become an insurance.
A bit like your national health contributions are not health insurance payments.
I am going to cycle to Decathlon to get some camping stuff. It's funny because the biggest danger at the moment is actually pedestrians as they've been pushing cyclists into the canal. Who'd have thought it was those pesky pedestrians that are the worst??
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Cyclists - part 2 (off topic)
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posted on 25/6/19
Chil Thaw (U22165)
I'm not deflecting.
I am hoping that when you realise that pedestrians also use the road, so would need identification by your 'logic' you might start to realise how ridiculous it sounds.
Perhaps that's a step too far for you.
So you only cross a road if there's a pedestrian crossing?
What about side roads?
posted on 25/6/19
comment by Chil Thaw (U22165)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
Chil Thaw (U22165)
Leave your house for a walk.
See how far you get before you need to use a road.
Let me know how you get on.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Instead of deflecting why not answer the question?
As for yours, I live in a town with many paths. The only time I’d step onto a road would be to cross it using a pedestrian crossing
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You better not cross when it is not a green man or you deserve to die.
posted on 25/6/19
Yet another article laden with Winston's whataboutery.
posted on 25/6/19
All the best to cyclists for their commute home. This is coming from a big car driver as well!
posted on 25/6/19
comment by Declan McDaid (U1734)
posted 20 seconds ago
All the best to cyclists for their commute home. This is coming from a big car driver as well!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Let's hope I dont get hit by a cyclist whilst crossing the road
posted on 25/6/19
How else do you see it working? Make it law but everyone has to buy it themselves from a private firm, meaning we then ask the police to enforce
Come on. Think it through.
____________________________________
Isn't that how car insurance works ?
posted on 25/6/19
All the best to pedestrians on their walk home tonight. This is coming from a red light skipping cyclist as well!
posted on 25/6/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 14 minutes ago
Chil Thaw (U22165)
I'm not deflecting.
I am hoping that when you realise that pedestrians also use the road, so would need identification by your 'logic' you might start to realise how ridiculous it sounds.
Perhaps that's a step too far for you.
So you only cross a road if there's a pedestrian crossing?
What about side roads?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I honestly can’t believe this isn’t a WUM....
well done Winston, you got me
posted on 25/6/19
If it isn’t a wum...
I got back to my question
Please explain why you feel any vehicle using the road shouldn’t be identifiable?
posted on 25/6/19
Chil Thaw (U22165)
FFS.
No, it's not a wum. Pedestrians use the road. They do.
But here's a different attempt at helping you see why you're wrong.
Motor vehicles are not identifiable 'because the use the road'. Licence plates, licensing and insurance are things that were introduced to help solve a problem.
That problem relates to the scale of the damage and injury/death that motor vehicles cause.
Someone didn't wake up one day and think 'anything that uses the road must be identifiable'. That is ridiculous logic.
So the answer to your question is, because we should only have a legal requirement for visual identification i.e. licensing, if it's going to solve a problem in society and if it's going to have a genuinely credible impact on our society.
It's simply not good enough to say 'well cars have to have them, so should bikes'.
I will be very surprised if you're able to step back and realise the logic in what I'm trying to explain to you but hey, give it a go at least.
posted on 25/6/19
Just reading the last half a dozen pages of comments to catch up. Seems Winston has been taken to the cleaners here.
posted on 25/6/19
What do you do for work Winston? Other than not a lot obviously?
posted on 25/6/19
comment by Declan McDaid (U1734)
posted 15 seconds ago
What do you do for work Winston? Other than not a lot obviously?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I run my own small company.
Wasted time on here I know, but it goes in peaks and troughs - I have got it to a point where I don't need to run day to day stuff.
You?
posted on 25/6/19
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 17 minutes ago
How else do you see it working? Make it law but everyone has to buy it themselves from a private firm, meaning we then ask the police to enforce
Come on. Think it through.
____________________________________
Isn't that how car insurance works ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No. Only people with a car have to buy car insurance.
posted on 25/6/19
Sorry been out came back, saw the comment and posted. Then saw it had been answered.
Which because Winston realised he was wrong decided it was boring.
Anyway just come back from the post office/bank. Got onto the pedestrian area, and I kid you not, one of the first things I saw was a young man on an electric bike texting, I had to laugh, knew nobody would believe me, but it's true all the same. No danger however, few walkers in the area;
The point is the town has 25000 students, loads of scooters, motor scooters, bike hire points all over. The result as you can imagine is lots of people on two wheels all over the town, which is a good thing except on the footpaths and pedestrian areas, which all to often are busy with a mix of walkers of all ages and faster moving two wheelers.
You don't have to be clever to know that sometimes collisions will happen. Now the fact that cars are much more dangerous doesn't console the person hit by a bike or other. So a free for all is not the best solution imo.
posted on 25/6/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Declan McDaid (U1734)
posted 15 seconds ago
What do you do for work Winston? Other than not a lot obviously?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I run my own small company.
Wasted time on here I know, but it goes in peaks and troughs - I have got it to a point where I don't need to run day to day stuff.
You?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If I told you what I was working on just now then I'd have to kill you. With my car.
posted on 25/6/19
Yes, only people with cars. But still it is obligatory, it is policed, it is paid to your private company of choice, and is not a tax.
posted on 25/6/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 17 minutes ago
How else do you see it working? Make it law but everyone has to buy it themselves from a private firm, meaning we then ask the police to enforce
Come on. Think it through.
____________________________________
Isn't that how car insurance works ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No. Only people with a car have to buy car insurance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Only people that decide to work have to pay income tax...
posted on 25/6/19
manusince52 (U9692)
Yes, because that's what I have been suggestion - a free for all.
Great debate
posted on 25/6/19
comment by Declan McDaid (U1734)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Declan McDaid (U1734)
posted 15 seconds ago
What do you do for work Winston? Other than not a lot obviously?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I run my own small company.
Wasted time on here I know, but it goes in peaks and troughs - I have got it to a point where I don't need to run day to day stuff.
You?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If I told you what I was working on just now then I'd have to kill you. With my car.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 25/6/19
comment by 🏆🏆🏆Allison Chains🏆🏆🏆 (U3979)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 17 minutes ago
How else do you see it working? Make it law but everyone has to buy it themselves from a private firm, meaning we then ask the police to enforce
Come on. Think it through.
____________________________________
Isn't that how car insurance works ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No. Only people with a car have to buy car insurance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Only people that decide to work have to pay income tax...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh dear.
Logic taking a real hit here, isn't it. What a laughable comment.
posted on 25/6/19
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by 🏆🏆🏆Allison Chains🏆🏆🏆 (U3979)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 17 minutes ago
How else do you see it working? Make it law but everyone has to buy it themselves from a private firm, meaning we then ask the police to enforce
Come on. Think it through.
____________________________________
Isn't that how car insurance works ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No. Only people with a car have to buy car insurance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Only people that decide to work have to pay income tax...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh dear.
Logic taking a real hit here, isn't it. What a laughable comment.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How so?
Insurance is not a tax Winston...
posted on 25/6/19
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 3 minutes ago
Yes, only people with cars. But still it is obligatory, it is policed, it is paid to your private company of choice, and is not a tax.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's not compulsory though, so it makes sense that it is privatised.
Would you privatise the collection of a payment that every single person in the UK has to pay?
posted on 25/6/19
comment by 🏆🏆🏆Allison Chains🏆🏆🏆 (U3979)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by 🏆🏆🏆Allison Chains🏆🏆🏆 (U3979)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 17 minutes ago
How else do you see it working? Make it law but everyone has to buy it themselves from a private firm, meaning we then ask the police to enforce
Come on. Think it through.
____________________________________
Isn't that how car insurance works ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No. Only people with a car have to buy car insurance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Only people that decide to work have to pay income tax...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh dear.
Logic taking a real hit here, isn't it. What a laughable comment.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How so?
Insurance is not a tax Winston...
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It would be in the scenario I described because it would effectively cease to become an insurance.
A bit like your national health contributions are not health insurance payments.
posted on 25/6/19
I am going to cycle to Decathlon to get some camping stuff. It's funny because the biggest danger at the moment is actually pedestrians as they've been pushing cyclists into the canal. Who'd have thought it was those pesky pedestrians that are the worst??
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