A hero is a fool before he becomes a hero?

What, no.

"Its an insult not to belive what they believe"

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Not at all, but I haven't called anyone stupid or ignorant because of it.

Id say its braver to not accept any ideas as true. Study the world and see how it works. I find the idea of a set of rules that determine HOW the universe works far more worth pursuing than a set of rules specific to us.

Question to those religious. Do u believe people on this earth and the observable universe are all that god looks over? Or could there be other planets? Or even dimensions or 'worlds' outside our thinking capabilities?

Religion may not have started as such but certainly In Europe religion was used to keep the masses down on behalf of the rich and powerful.
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What does this actually mean?

A secular society does the same. There always has to be a form of control for the masses otherwise a state cannot exist.

Religion and politics throughout history have almost become mutually exclusive.

I'm not sure if you're suggesting it, so forgive me if I'm wrong, but many claim that religion has only ever existed with the sole aim of controlling the masses, as if to say that a state cannot control the masses if it decided to reject it, which to me is not true as theistic states have always been existence prior to the our mainstream religions as theism was always the rational prior to the scientific revolutions of the last few hundred years.

Call it brave if you like, I call it stupidity?

And I was taught about various faiths, went yo a faith school, so don't try to suggest I don't understand or comprehend, I've Ben there done that, then raw he'd an age when I discovered I could think for myself, it's called self awareness, try it you might like it
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That's like saying my neighbour is black therefore I'm not racist. Going to a faith school doesn't make you religious. In fact it could do the opposite if you already have an anti religion mentality.

comment by The Post Nearly Man. I just left Hotel Amnesia. Where it is I can't remember. (U1270)
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whats the point in teaching glorified fairy tales? surely there are far more relevant and useful subjects teach"

Sure, but like it or not it has relevance to the world we live in, simply because it exists and it has so much impact on world affairs. I can actually see the benefit as long as it's strictly factual and helps them understand where people are coming from.
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Its difficult to keep things factual when teaching religion though isnt it. not the best way to teach tolerance as well imo

Ultimately, how do any of us know what is real and what isn't. How do you know that the world around you isn't a subconcious invention of your mind? Your whole life and everything in it could be a dream, invented by your subconcious. I could ask 'how do I know you people really exist?' and you could say 'because we're on here communicating with you' to which i could respond 'ahhh but how can i be certain that my subconscious hasn't invented that retort as part of this non-existent universe in which i may or may not reside?'

Afterall, what are dreams if not merely a creation - often very realistic, with emotion, tastes and physical elements - of our subconcious mind? You're whole life could be my dream... prove to me it isn't.

Thus is give you, faith in God.

Bottom line, none of you on either side of the fence can prove anything either way because nobody knows what is real.

http://www.footstats.co.uk/index.cfm?task=Leagues

And go on the shots tab. You are wrong.

Apologies, wrong thread!

Darren, essentially people want power and are incredibly selfish once power has been gained. Religious people appear all across the spectrum from rich to poor, at least historically

By not teaching about religion you're deliberately not teaching about culture and ensuring kids will be ignorant and unprepared for the world around them. Which is a pretty stupid thing to do.

Pretending billions of people don't practise religion and completely denying their existence (when religions factually exist, no one can deny that) is a petty and vindictive "I'm right and you're wrong" tantrum by hardliner athiests.

Next time I see a woman in a Burka or a man with a big hat and wicked long sideburns an my kid asks me why they're dressed like that I'll just say "you didn't see anything, they don't exist. Please stare straight ahead and stop asking questions with religious answers. Because you're not supposed to know anything about that, it's fairy tales, nonsense and dangerous"

Probably because they are on the side of logic..

Imagine having a conversation with a man about his pet dragon that is invisible and passes through things and has no discerable effect on the world....

Now imagine there are millions of people like this man who can make important decisions and affect government policy because of their pets...

Imagine our history was littered with deaths, wars and tyrants that were partially the fault of these pet dragon people...

You would probably struggle to be polite whilst informing him of how stupid this dragon idea is...

comment by Ilori - Skrtel To Zenit. (U18764)

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A hero is a fool before he becomes a hero?

What, no.

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I'll give you a scenario..
In a subway/underground station. A baby has just fallen unto the rails 50 metres away is train coming towards the baby. Now wouldn't it be foolish for someone to jump in to try to rescue the baby when he's foolishly risking his own life?

The answer is yes..

"Bottom line, none of you on either side of the fence can prove anything either way because nobody knows what is real."

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^. This.

I'm always interested in how believers square the fact that there are millions of people with different faiths - are they all wrong so have no chance of meeting the big man when they die?

I love that melton's argument with Hafi has accidentally creeped onto an article about religion.

Also has anyone observed that Medical Doctors are
never atheists?
It is mostly physicists that make that claim. I think it
is because the strongest claim to intelligent design is
found in the body, human and animal.

You must have noticed that among doctors too?

Honest liverpool would you say you feel something from religion that nothing else can give? Like a different emotion or spiritual feeling?

I consider myself spiritual but no religious, just curious as you seemed to imply something like that to me

I'll give you a scenario..
In a subway/underground station. A baby has just fallen unto the rails 50 metres away is train coming towards the baby. Now wouldn't it be foolish for someone to jump in to try to rescue the baby when he's foolishly risking his own life?

The answer yes


You cant apply that to religion and claim that as an excuse to believe in something with no proof

There's a massive difference between a culture and a faith, maybe one influences another?

Go back to Iran, Iraq or Afghanistan in the 69's and women wore shirts, didn't cover their hair, many drank, not anymore, they are controlled by their faith. If you like that sort of thing fire in, me I like freedom of thought!

You would think I would have learned by now Darren!

Post nearly - you will be lucky to get an answer from that.
I have been trying to find out why they believe in god? A simple question nobody answers !!

Hafi is a religion and should be taught in schools

Hafi is hilarious.

Honest liverpool would you say you feel something from religion that nothing else can give? Like a different emotion or spiritual feeling?
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Depends on what you mean by feel..
I'm not the biggest Bible reader but I like to think that Christianity has helped me in life.