comment by Rude Van Nist (U22799)
posted 42 seconds ago
It is because they are generally ignorant, stupid people who have no interest in changing their way of life.
===================
This, this is it.
this is how win hearts and minds.
ffs.
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You might not have noticed, but i'm just someone chatting on a football forum, not someone running for prime minister.
There's a reason why the "gammon" don't listen. They've got people with far less life experience insulting them and pretending that no matter what they say, this person knows better.
------------------
The term gammon was derived specifically for people who don't listen despite being shown evidence that they're wrong, to the point they work themselves into a frenzy and turn red with anger.
Life experience means sweet FA if you've been shown to be wrong.
@Shinjury, I was going to ask you how much is actually known about the relative carbon footprints of 3D printed houses vs traditional construction, but then thought 'why don't I just google it?' Really interesting reading about that, and indeed there's a lot of opportunity to make environmental savings. Thanks for drawing attention to it.
On the subject of homes, insulation of existing buildings is another important one.
Life experience means sweet FA if you've been shown to be wrong.
-----------------------------
Not when it come's to the amount of things people are asking others to change to fight climate change.
Divide and conquer. Used in all ways to maximise profit and to relinquish responsibility. Look at you products of the system blaming some old fart for climate change and calling him gammon, that's exactly what they want. The problem does not lie in the masses, the solution does.
The guilt and feeling of complicity from "consuming too much" is misdirected energy that could be used for mass mobilisation, a tactic far more likely to address the power structures that got us here in the first place.
And then I remember that people are stupid and don't care and stop writing.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 47 seconds ago
On the subject of homes, insulation of existing buildings is another important one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It helps a great deal to wear warmer clothing indoors rather than heat houses to summer temperatures so they can sit around in t-shirts and shorts.
Similarly, there's massive reductions in energy consumption to be had in regions with hot climates if people get used to the weather instead of trying to create penguin-friendly habitats in the middle of the Arizona desert.
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 46 seconds ago
There's a reason why the "gammon" don't listen. They've got people with far less life experience insulting them and pretending that no matter what they say, this person knows better.
------------------
The term gammon was derived specifically for people who don't listen despite being shown evidence that they're wrong, to the point they work themselves into a frenzy and turn red with anger.
Life experience means sweet FA if you've been shown to be wrong.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And if the term gammon was exclusively saved for those people, rather than anybody who happens to be from an older generation that even slightly disagrees with a millennial then your excuse for using it might be fair.
But it isn't.
And of course life experience means something, how utterly ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
Once again and I'll shout to ensure it gets heard - YOU ARE NOT 100% RIGHT 100% OF THE TIME. Nobody is.
comment by Luke Combs (U3979)
posted 38 seconds ago
And if the term gammon was exclusively saved for those people, rather than anybody who happens to be from an older generation that even slightly disagrees with a millennial then your excuse for using it might be fair.
But it isn't.
And of course life experience means something, how utterly ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
Once again and I'll shout to ensure it gets heard - YOU ARE NOT 100% RIGHT 100% OF THE TIME. Nobody is.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ok, boomer.
This thread gives us a little reminder that our behaviour and politics are very much tied to our sense of identity. Robb is totally correct that those with vested interests in putting the brakes on necessary adjustments will caricature the advocates of sustainable living to stoke and weaponise culture wars. Actually, I don't know why I used the future tense. They are doing that now, have been for a long time: it's a clearly observable phenomenon.
And because of that we need to be careful in our use of language to resist efforts to reduce everything to bad-faith narratives. 'Gammon' arose as a concept because, like most stereotypes, it has a ring of truth about it: there is a demographic of middle aged, affluent white dude who feels perplexed by increasingly complex modernity, embraces the politics of nostalgia and illiberalism and looks pretty agitated when talking about it. But using 'gammon' to talk about our political adversaries feeds and entrenches the culture war. It certainly doesn't encourage anyone who is hostile to protecting the environment to consider new ideas.
Once again and I'll shout to ensure it gets heard - YOU ARE NOT 100% RIGHT 100% OF THE TIME. Nobody is.
————
No one is saying they are. You seem to be getting very wound up. Thou doth protest too much methinks.
comment by Robbb Lasso 🇺🇦 🇦🇺 🇪🇸 (U22716)
posted 0 seconds ago
Once again and I'll shout to ensure it gets heard - YOU ARE NOT 100% RIGHT 100% OF THE TIME. Nobody is.
————
No one is saying they are. You seem to be getting very wound up. Thou doth protest too much methinks.
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I do get wound up here because the very people who actually believe the right things are a big part of the problem. I agree that climate change is an immediate threat but the vast majority of people who see it that way are, rather than trying to educate, just using it as an excuse to shout at people and feel superior.
It incredibly frustrating.
comment by Robbb Lasso 🇺🇦 🇦🇺 🇪🇸 (U22716)
posted 3 seconds ago
Once again and I'll shout to ensure it gets heard - YOU ARE NOT 100% RIGHT 100% OF THE TIME. Nobody is.
————
No one is saying they are. You seem to be getting very wound up. Thou doth protest too much methinks.
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No he doesn't. you want him to be. there's a difference.
comment by Luke Combs (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 46 seconds ago
There's a reason why the "gammon" don't listen. They've got people with far less life experience insulting them and pretending that no matter what they say, this person knows better.
------------------
The term gammon was derived specifically for people who don't listen despite being shown evidence that they're wrong, to the point they work themselves into a frenzy and turn red with anger.
Life experience means sweet FA if you've been shown to be wrong.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And if the term gammon was exclusively saved for those people, rather than anybody who happens to be from an older generation that even slightly disagrees with a millennial then your excuse for using it might be fair.
But it isn't.
And of course life experience means something, how utterly ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
Once again and I'll shout to ensure it gets heard - YOU ARE NOT 100% RIGHT 100% OF THE TIME. Nobody is.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I never said life experience means nothing, I said it means nothing if you've been proven to be wrong.
If a 25 year old is saying 2+2=4, but the 70 year old is saying actually it's 5, you don't believe the 70 year old because he has more life experience do you?
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 47 seconds ago
On the subject of homes, insulation of existing buildings is another important one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It helps a great deal to wear warmer clothing indoors rather than heat houses to summer temperatures so they can sit around in t-shirts and shorts.
Similarly, there's massive reductions in energy consumption to be had in regions with hot climates if people get used to the weather instead of trying to create penguin-friendly habitats in the middle of the Arizona desert.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In affluent areas in hot parts of the US there are lots of communities that actually ban drying washing outside, using the free resource of warm air. Hanging up your washing is associated with poverty. It's the land of the free, up to the point where your behaviour risks driving down your neighbours' property prices.
We aren't reacting to a genocide in front of our eyes so we certainly won't bother doing anything about the climate until way too late.
Musk and co will be on Mars by then so we live on
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 3 seconds ago
We aren't reacting to a genocide in front of our eyes so we certainly won't bother doing anything about the climate until way too late.
Musk and co will be on Mars by then so we live on
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If we can live on Mars, we can certainly live on Earth no matter what climate change throws at us
There just won't be many of us left...
It helps a great deal to wear warmer clothing indoors rather than heat houses to summer temperatures so they can sit around in t-shirts and shorts.
===============================
I wear thick tracksuits but if that heating isnt on, its freezing, and its insulated.
Also people have to have their heating on to combat mould issues within houses.
comment by Luke Combs (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbb Lasso 🇺🇦 🇦🇺 🇪🇸 (U22716)
posted 0 seconds ago
Once again and I'll shout to ensure it gets heard - YOU ARE NOT 100% RIGHT 100% OF THE TIME. Nobody is.
————
No one is saying they are. You seem to be getting very wound up. Thou doth protest too much methinks.
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I do get wound up here because the very people who actually believe the right things are a big part of the problem. I agree that climate change is an immediate threat but the vast majority of people who see it that way are, rather than trying to educate, just using it as an excuse to shout at people and feel superior.
It incredibly frustrating.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Okay, but please accept that it’s entirely normal to get angry at those who are causing the issues and slowing down the progress of fixing the climate change issue.
All our children and grandchildren will suffer because a certain group of people today who are easily brainwashed by those who care about 💵 instead of 🌳 and it’s the rational reaction to lash out at that stupidity.
Of course the carrot over the stick approach is the wiser course of action but let’s be honest - us people on this side of the argument are fighting an enemy who fight far harder and dirtier than us.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 28 seconds ago
This thread gives us a little reminder that our behaviour and politics are very much tied to our sense of identity. Robb is totally correct that those with vested interests in putting the brakes on necessary adjustments will caricature the advocates of sustainable living to stoke and weaponise culture wars. Actually, I don't know why I used the future tense. They are doing that now, have been for a long time: it's a clearly observable phenomenon.
And because of that we need to be careful in our use of language to resist efforts to reduce everything to bad-faith narratives. 'Gammon' arose as a concept because, like most stereotypes, it has a ring of truth about it: there is a demographic of middle aged, affluent white dude who feels perplexed by increasingly complex modernity, embraces the politics of nostalgia and illiberalism and looks pretty agitated when talking about it. But using 'gammon' to talk about our political adversaries feeds and entrenches the culture war. It certainly doesn't encourage anyone who is hostile to protecting the environment to consider new ideas.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It is a very interesting decade in this respect actually as the gammons who were previously in charge at big companies, in politics etc. are retiring and being replaced by more forward thinking, younger folk. The power is being taken away from the gammon generation and handed to the woke generation. Gradually over the next decade, gammons will have less and less influence within organisations, but they will still be a majority when it comes to elections etc. So votes will go their way, i.e. Tories pretending they will make Britain how it used to be. Then this isn't delivered in reality because it is the woke generation that are now our teachers etc and more influential within most industries. Going forward anyway.
Until eventually the gammons are in their retirement homes complaining about the young people who are literally keeping them alive.
It is a problem (attitude) that may well just die out.
Admin should get all users to nail their colours to the meat mast
You’re either Gammon of Quorn, this could be denoted by a “G” or “Q” in your user number
Just so everyone knows who’s in which camp for future threads
comment by Robbb Lasso 🇺🇦 🇦🇺 🇪🇸 (U22716)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Luke Combs (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbb Lasso 🇺🇦 🇦🇺 🇪🇸 (U22716)
posted 0 seconds ago
Once again and I'll shout to ensure it gets heard - YOU ARE NOT 100% RIGHT 100% OF THE TIME. Nobody is.
————
No one is saying they are. You seem to be getting very wound up. Thou doth protest too much methinks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I do get wound up here because the very people who actually believe the right things are a big part of the problem. I agree that climate change is an immediate threat but the vast majority of people who see it that way are, rather than trying to educate, just using it as an excuse to shout at people and feel superior.
It incredibly frustrating.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Okay, but please accept that it’s entirely normal to get angry at those who are causing the issues and slowing down the progress of fixing the climate change issue.
All our children and grandchildren will suffer because a certain group of people today who are easily brainwashed by those who care about 💵 instead of 🌳 and it’s the rational reaction to lash out at that stupidity.
Of course the carrot over the stick approach is the wiser course of action but let’s be honest - us people on this side of the argument are fighting an enemy who fight far harder and dirtier than us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think there are extremists of equal stupidity on both sides.
comment by Luke Combs (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
I do get wound up here because the very people who actually believe the right things are a big part of the problem. I agree that climate change is an immediate threat but the vast majority of people who see it that way are, rather than trying to educate, just using it as an excuse to shout at people and feel superior.
It incredibly frustrating.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I guess you would agree that the existential threat of climate change is a greater problem than people acting in a condescending way to each other.
If that's the case, maybe the most constructive thing would be to suggest to us all alternative, more effective ways to convince the older demographics (which consistently support in higher numbers parties and politicians who are less supportive of environmental protection) to take climate change more seriously. The argument you are having is a distraction from the serious point of this thread, but maybe we could derive some valuable insights from it.
Ironically to live on Mars we’d have to artificially create a climate change effect to melt the ice caps to create water to terraform the planet
I think a big problem is there's an awful lot of people stuck in their ways/viewpoint who won't really listen to any evidence, which goes for both sides of any argument, but it makes the whole open discussion thing pointless a lot of the time.
My dad doesn't believe in man made climate change, and no matter how many times I've shown him evidence he still won't change his opinion. Thankfully he's drastically reduced his carbon footprint anyway because it's cheaper for him, but there's not really anything else I can do to convince him.
Barry, I was waiting for the punchline and didn't find it. It's always disarming when you do that.
I fear we can't just rely on younger people to be the right-thinking heroes who save us all. We're essentially wired the same way, whatever age we are, and subject to the limitations of the human condition. We're also subject to the gravitational pull of market forces and the outsized cultural influence of billionaires.
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posted on 5/4/22
comment by Rude Van Nist (U22799)
posted 42 seconds ago
It is because they are generally ignorant, stupid people who have no interest in changing their way of life.
===================
This, this is it.
this is how win hearts and minds.
ffs.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You might not have noticed, but i'm just someone chatting on a football forum, not someone running for prime minister.
posted on 5/4/22
There's a reason why the "gammon" don't listen. They've got people with far less life experience insulting them and pretending that no matter what they say, this person knows better.
------------------
The term gammon was derived specifically for people who don't listen despite being shown evidence that they're wrong, to the point they work themselves into a frenzy and turn red with anger.
Life experience means sweet FA if you've been shown to be wrong.
posted on 5/4/22
@Shinjury, I was going to ask you how much is actually known about the relative carbon footprints of 3D printed houses vs traditional construction, but then thought 'why don't I just google it?' Really interesting reading about that, and indeed there's a lot of opportunity to make environmental savings. Thanks for drawing attention to it.
On the subject of homes, insulation of existing buildings is another important one.
posted on 5/4/22
Life experience means sweet FA if you've been shown to be wrong.
-----------------------------
Not when it come's to the amount of things people are asking others to change to fight climate change.
posted on 5/4/22
Divide and conquer. Used in all ways to maximise profit and to relinquish responsibility. Look at you products of the system blaming some old fart for climate change and calling him gammon, that's exactly what they want. The problem does not lie in the masses, the solution does.
The guilt and feeling of complicity from "consuming too much" is misdirected energy that could be used for mass mobilisation, a tactic far more likely to address the power structures that got us here in the first place.
And then I remember that people are stupid and don't care and stop writing.
posted on 5/4/22
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 47 seconds ago
On the subject of homes, insulation of existing buildings is another important one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It helps a great deal to wear warmer clothing indoors rather than heat houses to summer temperatures so they can sit around in t-shirts and shorts.
Similarly, there's massive reductions in energy consumption to be had in regions with hot climates if people get used to the weather instead of trying to create penguin-friendly habitats in the middle of the Arizona desert.
posted on 5/4/22
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 46 seconds ago
There's a reason why the "gammon" don't listen. They've got people with far less life experience insulting them and pretending that no matter what they say, this person knows better.
------------------
The term gammon was derived specifically for people who don't listen despite being shown evidence that they're wrong, to the point they work themselves into a frenzy and turn red with anger.
Life experience means sweet FA if you've been shown to be wrong.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And if the term gammon was exclusively saved for those people, rather than anybody who happens to be from an older generation that even slightly disagrees with a millennial then your excuse for using it might be fair.
But it isn't.
And of course life experience means something, how utterly ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
Once again and I'll shout to ensure it gets heard - YOU ARE NOT 100% RIGHT 100% OF THE TIME. Nobody is.
posted on 5/4/22
comment by Luke Combs (U3979)
posted 38 seconds ago
And if the term gammon was exclusively saved for those people, rather than anybody who happens to be from an older generation that even slightly disagrees with a millennial then your excuse for using it might be fair.
But it isn't.
And of course life experience means something, how utterly ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
Once again and I'll shout to ensure it gets heard - YOU ARE NOT 100% RIGHT 100% OF THE TIME. Nobody is.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ok, boomer.
posted on 5/4/22
This thread gives us a little reminder that our behaviour and politics are very much tied to our sense of identity. Robb is totally correct that those with vested interests in putting the brakes on necessary adjustments will caricature the advocates of sustainable living to stoke and weaponise culture wars. Actually, I don't know why I used the future tense. They are doing that now, have been for a long time: it's a clearly observable phenomenon.
And because of that we need to be careful in our use of language to resist efforts to reduce everything to bad-faith narratives. 'Gammon' arose as a concept because, like most stereotypes, it has a ring of truth about it: there is a demographic of middle aged, affluent white dude who feels perplexed by increasingly complex modernity, embraces the politics of nostalgia and illiberalism and looks pretty agitated when talking about it. But using 'gammon' to talk about our political adversaries feeds and entrenches the culture war. It certainly doesn't encourage anyone who is hostile to protecting the environment to consider new ideas.
posted on 5/4/22
Once again and I'll shout to ensure it gets heard - YOU ARE NOT 100% RIGHT 100% OF THE TIME. Nobody is.
————
No one is saying they are. You seem to be getting very wound up. Thou doth protest too much methinks.
posted on 5/4/22
comment by Robbb Lasso 🇺🇦 🇦🇺 🇪🇸 (U22716)
posted 0 seconds ago
Once again and I'll shout to ensure it gets heard - YOU ARE NOT 100% RIGHT 100% OF THE TIME. Nobody is.
————
No one is saying they are. You seem to be getting very wound up. Thou doth protest too much methinks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I do get wound up here because the very people who actually believe the right things are a big part of the problem. I agree that climate change is an immediate threat but the vast majority of people who see it that way are, rather than trying to educate, just using it as an excuse to shout at people and feel superior.
It incredibly frustrating.
posted on 5/4/22
comment by Robbb Lasso 🇺🇦 🇦🇺 🇪🇸 (U22716)
posted 3 seconds ago
Once again and I'll shout to ensure it gets heard - YOU ARE NOT 100% RIGHT 100% OF THE TIME. Nobody is.
————
No one is saying they are. You seem to be getting very wound up. Thou doth protest too much methinks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No he doesn't. you want him to be. there's a difference.
posted on 5/4/22
comment by Luke Combs (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 46 seconds ago
There's a reason why the "gammon" don't listen. They've got people with far less life experience insulting them and pretending that no matter what they say, this person knows better.
------------------
The term gammon was derived specifically for people who don't listen despite being shown evidence that they're wrong, to the point they work themselves into a frenzy and turn red with anger.
Life experience means sweet FA if you've been shown to be wrong.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And if the term gammon was exclusively saved for those people, rather than anybody who happens to be from an older generation that even slightly disagrees with a millennial then your excuse for using it might be fair.
But it isn't.
And of course life experience means something, how utterly ridiculous to suggest otherwise.
Once again and I'll shout to ensure it gets heard - YOU ARE NOT 100% RIGHT 100% OF THE TIME. Nobody is.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I never said life experience means nothing, I said it means nothing if you've been proven to be wrong.
If a 25 year old is saying 2+2=4, but the 70 year old is saying actually it's 5, you don't believe the 70 year old because he has more life experience do you?
posted on 5/4/22
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 47 seconds ago
On the subject of homes, insulation of existing buildings is another important one.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It helps a great deal to wear warmer clothing indoors rather than heat houses to summer temperatures so they can sit around in t-shirts and shorts.
Similarly, there's massive reductions in energy consumption to be had in regions with hot climates if people get used to the weather instead of trying to create penguin-friendly habitats in the middle of the Arizona desert.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In affluent areas in hot parts of the US there are lots of communities that actually ban drying washing outside, using the free resource of warm air. Hanging up your washing is associated with poverty. It's the land of the free, up to the point where your behaviour risks driving down your neighbours' property prices.
posted on 5/4/22
We aren't reacting to a genocide in front of our eyes so we certainly won't bother doing anything about the climate until way too late.
Musk and co will be on Mars by then so we live on
posted on 5/4/22
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 3 seconds ago
We aren't reacting to a genocide in front of our eyes so we certainly won't bother doing anything about the climate until way too late.
Musk and co will be on Mars by then so we live on
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If we can live on Mars, we can certainly live on Earth no matter what climate change throws at us
There just won't be many of us left...
posted on 5/4/22
It helps a great deal to wear warmer clothing indoors rather than heat houses to summer temperatures so they can sit around in t-shirts and shorts.
===============================
I wear thick tracksuits but if that heating isnt on, its freezing, and its insulated.
Also people have to have their heating on to combat mould issues within houses.
posted on 5/4/22
comment by Luke Combs (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbb Lasso 🇺🇦 🇦🇺 🇪🇸 (U22716)
posted 0 seconds ago
Once again and I'll shout to ensure it gets heard - YOU ARE NOT 100% RIGHT 100% OF THE TIME. Nobody is.
————
No one is saying they are. You seem to be getting very wound up. Thou doth protest too much methinks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I do get wound up here because the very people who actually believe the right things are a big part of the problem. I agree that climate change is an immediate threat but the vast majority of people who see it that way are, rather than trying to educate, just using it as an excuse to shout at people and feel superior.
It incredibly frustrating.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Okay, but please accept that it’s entirely normal to get angry at those who are causing the issues and slowing down the progress of fixing the climate change issue.
All our children and grandchildren will suffer because a certain group of people today who are easily brainwashed by those who care about 💵 instead of 🌳 and it’s the rational reaction to lash out at that stupidity.
Of course the carrot over the stick approach is the wiser course of action but let’s be honest - us people on this side of the argument are fighting an enemy who fight far harder and dirtier than us.
posted on 5/4/22
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 28 seconds ago
This thread gives us a little reminder that our behaviour and politics are very much tied to our sense of identity. Robb is totally correct that those with vested interests in putting the brakes on necessary adjustments will caricature the advocates of sustainable living to stoke and weaponise culture wars. Actually, I don't know why I used the future tense. They are doing that now, have been for a long time: it's a clearly observable phenomenon.
And because of that we need to be careful in our use of language to resist efforts to reduce everything to bad-faith narratives. 'Gammon' arose as a concept because, like most stereotypes, it has a ring of truth about it: there is a demographic of middle aged, affluent white dude who feels perplexed by increasingly complex modernity, embraces the politics of nostalgia and illiberalism and looks pretty agitated when talking about it. But using 'gammon' to talk about our political adversaries feeds and entrenches the culture war. It certainly doesn't encourage anyone who is hostile to protecting the environment to consider new ideas.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It is a very interesting decade in this respect actually as the gammons who were previously in charge at big companies, in politics etc. are retiring and being replaced by more forward thinking, younger folk. The power is being taken away from the gammon generation and handed to the woke generation. Gradually over the next decade, gammons will have less and less influence within organisations, but they will still be a majority when it comes to elections etc. So votes will go their way, i.e. Tories pretending they will make Britain how it used to be. Then this isn't delivered in reality because it is the woke generation that are now our teachers etc and more influential within most industries. Going forward anyway.
Until eventually the gammons are in their retirement homes complaining about the young people who are literally keeping them alive.
It is a problem (attitude) that may well just die out.
posted on 5/4/22
Admin should get all users to nail their colours to the meat mast
You’re either Gammon of Quorn, this could be denoted by a “G” or “Q” in your user number
Just so everyone knows who’s in which camp for future threads
posted on 5/4/22
comment by Robbb Lasso 🇺🇦 🇦🇺 🇪🇸 (U22716)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Luke Combs (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbb Lasso 🇺🇦 🇦🇺 🇪🇸 (U22716)
posted 0 seconds ago
Once again and I'll shout to ensure it gets heard - YOU ARE NOT 100% RIGHT 100% OF THE TIME. Nobody is.
————
No one is saying they are. You seem to be getting very wound up. Thou doth protest too much methinks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I do get wound up here because the very people who actually believe the right things are a big part of the problem. I agree that climate change is an immediate threat but the vast majority of people who see it that way are, rather than trying to educate, just using it as an excuse to shout at people and feel superior.
It incredibly frustrating.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Okay, but please accept that it’s entirely normal to get angry at those who are causing the issues and slowing down the progress of fixing the climate change issue.
All our children and grandchildren will suffer because a certain group of people today who are easily brainwashed by those who care about 💵 instead of 🌳 and it’s the rational reaction to lash out at that stupidity.
Of course the carrot over the stick approach is the wiser course of action but let’s be honest - us people on this side of the argument are fighting an enemy who fight far harder and dirtier than us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think there are extremists of equal stupidity on both sides.
posted on 5/4/22
comment by Luke Combs (U3979)
posted 1 minute ago
I do get wound up here because the very people who actually believe the right things are a big part of the problem. I agree that climate change is an immediate threat but the vast majority of people who see it that way are, rather than trying to educate, just using it as an excuse to shout at people and feel superior.
It incredibly frustrating.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I guess you would agree that the existential threat of climate change is a greater problem than people acting in a condescending way to each other.
If that's the case, maybe the most constructive thing would be to suggest to us all alternative, more effective ways to convince the older demographics (which consistently support in higher numbers parties and politicians who are less supportive of environmental protection) to take climate change more seriously. The argument you are having is a distraction from the serious point of this thread, but maybe we could derive some valuable insights from it.
posted on 5/4/22
Ironically to live on Mars we’d have to artificially create a climate change effect to melt the ice caps to create water to terraform the planet
posted on 5/4/22
I think a big problem is there's an awful lot of people stuck in their ways/viewpoint who won't really listen to any evidence, which goes for both sides of any argument, but it makes the whole open discussion thing pointless a lot of the time.
My dad doesn't believe in man made climate change, and no matter how many times I've shown him evidence he still won't change his opinion. Thankfully he's drastically reduced his carbon footprint anyway because it's cheaper for him, but there's not really anything else I can do to convince him.
posted on 5/4/22
Barry, I was waiting for the punchline and didn't find it. It's always disarming when you do that.
I fear we can't just rely on younger people to be the right-thinking heroes who save us all. We're essentially wired the same way, whatever age we are, and subject to the limitations of the human condition. We're also subject to the gravitational pull of market forces and the outsized cultural influence of billionaires.
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