After 24 league games Leicester City sat 14 points clear of us despite us expecting to have higher expected goals, allowed far few expected goals against and should have had more expected points of 4 at the time. The irony was when Bruno Fernandes signed we should have been 4 clear instead of 14 points behind with 14 games to go and in the end we finished 4 points clear of them 14 games later although we deserved to finish 10 points clear of them by the end.
Anyway our main difference is, Allison is one of the best in the league and De Gea just is an average keeper these days. So many game in last 6 years the first shot on target by the opposition is a goal against us. That is why Romero keeps a lot more clean sheets than De Gea as he can make saving shots look easy as he covers the goal easily while De Gea lets anything in unless it is straight at him these days. De Gea actually reminds me of Kepa these days. It is funny De Gea has been praised so much since SAF left when he has in most seasons since SAF left averages just over 2 saves per game most seasons. That is like 1 save per half of football for nearly 7 years. Imagine if he played for Arsenal or Spurs who concede an insane amount of shots on goal against them in the same period?
I actually predicted we would lose against Sevilla and concede at least 2 when I saw De Gea starting from like 3 shots on target as he normally concedes that much. Both goals I think Romero would have saved easily but De Gea slow reaction both times cost a goal. Notice the semi-final defeats De Gea barely made a save in them? I think about 6 of the goals we conceded in those 3 semi-finals Romero would have easily saved.
If you look at pretty much all our league draws last season, I wouldn't be surprised if the opposition keepers made about 30 saves more in those 12 draws than De Gea managed.
Rant over. I know Liverpool have a better mentality than us. They want to win and not just play well. That is what Solskjaer has to change. If you look at most of our dropped points last season, it was very rare for any team to outplay us. Most of the games we dropped points we could have won just like Liverpool did but we bottled so many games due to howlers at both ends and it was a consistent pattern. Basically how Brighton bottled it against us was a common theme for us last season and made more frustrating knowing we could easily have won so many games
One more thing. Look at our last 5 league draws last season. Bottle jobs at both ends cost us easy wins.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 hours, 3 minutes ago
We need a Dof fast and maybe a coach like poch.
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A coach that has never won anything. We need better than Poch. But for now we need to rebuild properly. Not go through the same as we have for the last seven years.
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You really don't know how football works do you
So Poch won fuсk all, yes but that was because he was shafted by Levy instead of being backed to the extent that he wasn'tgiven a single new player over 2 or 3 windows.
If Levy had backed Poch when they were flying high and given him even half the players he wanted to strengthen the squad and keep it fresh, I reacon Spurs would be close to Liverpool / City.
If he goes to United and is backed as much as Ole is or Maureen & Van Gaal were before him he'll take you up to the next level.
As much as you'd hate to admit this, you know this is true and saying otherwise just makes you look idiotic.
I for one wouldn't want a coach like Poch anywhere near United. If he can get Spurs to 3 domestic semi-finals and a CL final on the meagre budget he had at Spurs, imagine what he could do with a 5 year contract and United levels of funding.
You need better than Poch, really? and you think Ole is that man.
You really need a few smacks around the head with a clue bat.
You need better than Poch, really? and you think Ole is that man.
....:
No I don’t. So that was a stupid comment.
......
You really need a few smacks around the head with a clue bat.
......
I clearly don’t. You obviously do though. I am not particularly a fan of Ole.
Off to the corner for you little child and put on the dunces hat.
I would laugh my Arrssse out when that "better" manager comes in. The joke you all are not understanding is managing this club with the ownership set up is only possible with certain characters. No "top" manager is going to succeed in this club with this type of set up and in fact the reason we can even talk of champions league this season was Ole did not throw a hissy fit for not getting Bruno early last year. He won't do so again this year if Sancho does not come and he will do better than any manager you can bring, "top" or otherwise.
Being able to control his emotions while they fack around and trying to motivate his players is his best ability. No magical tactic is saving us.
Can't wait for Poch's next job. It will be an eye opener for all the Poch in people here.
Poch is a really good coach, I’m not sure why he gets stick these days.
Is he one of the best managers in the world? No. Is he a very good coach who could do a brilliant job at a lot of clubs, absolutely
Knocking Poch for not winning trophies with Spurs is pretty strange when you actually look at how much he was allowed to spend compared to other teams. He’s a very very good coach who overachieved with Spurs and with bigger resources could and should achieve a lot more.
You do realise buying Sancho is a made up story by Sky to gain more stupid viewers don't you ?
Don't you think it funny that they are the only ones talking about it, with nothing heard from the clubs or the player. No, course you don't as you have fallen into their "let's keep pitching a story until their fans all beleive it" routine.
Oh and do you really think Sancho can get you the title all on his own. Really ?
Sky pay the footballers wages, alongside BT, so of course they are unleashed to make up any ballacks they want.
Sky grow the vegetables, the clubs pick them, the players wrap them up in nice pretty packages and we buy and eat them.
Before shtting them out through the week, handing back the compost so the club can be ready for the fresh harvest the next weekend
It’s a circular economy
I think it's a clear as day that Pool are currently the complete package, & the rest of us are on catch up...
I'm hoping my club are going in the right direction, by spending the Hazard money wisely...well mostly - hopefully we've corrected the keeping error
comment by Shinjury list (U1700)
posted 23 minutes ago
Sky pay the footballers wages, alongside BT, so of course they are unleashed to make up any ballacks they want.
Sky grow the vegetables, the clubs pick them, the players wrap them up in nice pretty packages and we buy and eat them.
Before shtting them out through the week, handing back the compost so the club can be ready for the fresh harvest the next weekend
It’s a circular economy
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Shin...do you have an allotment...just wondering..
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 8 hours, 33 minutes ago
Imo we ain’t getting a DoF anytime soon. No football guy worth his salt will want to come in and be an impotent force answering to Ed.
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This is point is something I've read that led to the failure of getting in a Technical Director. The scope of the job basically means you become someone who takes the stick instead of Ed yet you have very little power to do so. It was apparently why Paul Mitchell rejected to take up the role.
Give Ole time.
Please, it's funny.
It's two games into the season.
Two games.
The negativity is tiring.
Yes, Liverpool are streets ahead. But that is also true for every other PL club at the moment and as someone on here said - it only took them four years to achieve it.
I think it's time to get behind the manager and the players and reassess later this season.
I think it's time to get behind the manager and the players and reassess later this season.
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The same time it's been since he joined.
comment by HB Fash - 2008 UEFA Cup Champions - Awarded 2020* (U21935)
posted 29 seconds ago
I think it's time to get behind the manager and the players and reassess later this season.
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The same time it's been since he joined.
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Yes, probably.
Although if last season had ended badly, then perhaps not.
But it didn't. It ended well. And now we're 180 minutes into a new season ffs.
*200 minutes allowing for VAR
Madness is repeating the same thing expecting different results.
comment by Robb Pacino (U22311)
posted 9 hours, 5 minutes ago
Imo we ain’t getting a DoF anytime soon. No football guy worth his salt will want to come in and be an impotent force answering to Ed. The guy has too much power at the club and short of the Glazers selling we’ll be stuck in this loop time and time again. They’re happy to make top 4 every season and anything else is a bonus.
The only joy we can expect until any sale happens is to bring in a manager who can make gold from what he has at his disposal. You all know my feelings about Ole and he scraped another season but while no one expects a title challenge this season he should be looking to push on and I doubt he’ll go anywhere while he can still make the bare minimum of top 4. As Roy Keane said tonight , he’s toast without it.
The ghost of Pochettino is there, not only for Ole but for Lampard too. Wonder which of us will get to him first?
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Welcome back, Robb. Hope all went well with the move and that you’re settled in
Scholay is seriously missing you. He’s been busy (since half time on Saturday, probably) trying to argue that the manager deserves a good sacking already because - despite admitting that our players aren’t good enough to compete with Liverpool’s or City’s - Ole isn’t competing with Liverpool and City.
He’ll be more excited than anyone to see you back I’d expect
comment by HB Fash - 2008 UEFA Cup Champions - Awarded 2020* (U21935)
posted 30 seconds ago
Madness is repeating the same thing expecting different results.
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Tactically updating us, improving the style of play, improving cohesion on the field, improving results, noticeably improving some players’ output, bringing a new wave of youngsters through.
Yeah, happy to see that repeated.
comment by HB Fash - 2008 UEFA Cup Champions - Awarded 2020* (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
Madness is repeating the same thing expecting different results.
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This bears no relation to my point or United's situation.
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posted on 29/9/20
After 24 league games Leicester City sat 14 points clear of us despite us expecting to have higher expected goals, allowed far few expected goals against and should have had more expected points of 4 at the time. The irony was when Bruno Fernandes signed we should have been 4 clear instead of 14 points behind with 14 games to go and in the end we finished 4 points clear of them 14 games later although we deserved to finish 10 points clear of them by the end.
posted on 29/9/20
Anyway our main difference is, Allison is one of the best in the league and De Gea just is an average keeper these days. So many game in last 6 years the first shot on target by the opposition is a goal against us. That is why Romero keeps a lot more clean sheets than De Gea as he can make saving shots look easy as he covers the goal easily while De Gea lets anything in unless it is straight at him these days. De Gea actually reminds me of Kepa these days. It is funny De Gea has been praised so much since SAF left when he has in most seasons since SAF left averages just over 2 saves per game most seasons. That is like 1 save per half of football for nearly 7 years. Imagine if he played for Arsenal or Spurs who concede an insane amount of shots on goal against them in the same period?
posted on 29/9/20
I actually predicted we would lose against Sevilla and concede at least 2 when I saw De Gea starting from like 3 shots on target as he normally concedes that much. Both goals I think Romero would have saved easily but De Gea slow reaction both times cost a goal. Notice the semi-final defeats De Gea barely made a save in them? I think about 6 of the goals we conceded in those 3 semi-finals Romero would have easily saved.
posted on 29/9/20
If you look at pretty much all our league draws last season, I wouldn't be surprised if the opposition keepers made about 30 saves more in those 12 draws than De Gea managed.
posted on 29/9/20
Rant over. I know Liverpool have a better mentality than us. They want to win and not just play well. That is what Solskjaer has to change. If you look at most of our dropped points last season, it was very rare for any team to outplay us. Most of the games we dropped points we could have won just like Liverpool did but we bottled so many games due to howlers at both ends and it was a consistent pattern. Basically how Brighton bottled it against us was a common theme for us last season and made more frustrating knowing we could easily have won so many games
posted on 29/9/20
One more thing. Look at our last 5 league draws last season. Bottle jobs at both ends cost us easy wins.
posted on 29/9/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 hours, 3 minutes ago
We need a Dof fast and maybe a coach like poch.
.....
A coach that has never won anything. We need better than Poch. But for now we need to rebuild properly. Not go through the same as we have for the last seven years.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You really don't know how football works do you
So Poch won fuсk all, yes but that was because he was shafted by Levy instead of being backed to the extent that he wasn'tgiven a single new player over 2 or 3 windows.
If Levy had backed Poch when they were flying high and given him even half the players he wanted to strengthen the squad and keep it fresh, I reacon Spurs would be close to Liverpool / City.
If he goes to United and is backed as much as Ole is or Maureen & Van Gaal were before him he'll take you up to the next level.
As much as you'd hate to admit this, you know this is true and saying otherwise just makes you look idiotic.
I for one wouldn't want a coach like Poch anywhere near United. If he can get Spurs to 3 domestic semi-finals and a CL final on the meagre budget he had at Spurs, imagine what he could do with a 5 year contract and United levels of funding.
You need better than Poch, really? and you think Ole is that man.
You really need a few smacks around the head with a clue bat.
posted on 29/9/20
You need better than Poch, really? and you think Ole is that man.
....:
No I don’t. So that was a stupid comment.
......
You really need a few smacks around the head with a clue bat.
......
I clearly don’t. You obviously do though. I am not particularly a fan of Ole.
Off to the corner for you little child and put on the dunces hat.
posted on 29/9/20
I would laugh my Arrssse out when that "better" manager comes in. The joke you all are not understanding is managing this club with the ownership set up is only possible with certain characters. No "top" manager is going to succeed in this club with this type of set up and in fact the reason we can even talk of champions league this season was Ole did not throw a hissy fit for not getting Bruno early last year. He won't do so again this year if Sancho does not come and he will do better than any manager you can bring, "top" or otherwise.
Being able to control his emotions while they fack around and trying to motivate his players is his best ability. No magical tactic is saving us.
Can't wait for Poch's next job. It will be an eye opener for all the Poch in people here.
posted on 29/9/20
Poch is a really good coach, I’m not sure why he gets stick these days.
Is he one of the best managers in the world? No. Is he a very good coach who could do a brilliant job at a lot of clubs, absolutely
posted on 29/9/20
Knocking Poch for not winning trophies with Spurs is pretty strange when you actually look at how much he was allowed to spend compared to other teams. He’s a very very good coach who overachieved with Spurs and with bigger resources could and should achieve a lot more.
posted on 29/9/20
You do realise buying Sancho is a made up story by Sky to gain more stupid viewers don't you ?
Don't you think it funny that they are the only ones talking about it, with nothing heard from the clubs or the player. No, course you don't as you have fallen into their "let's keep pitching a story until their fans all beleive it" routine.
Oh and do you really think Sancho can get you the title all on his own. Really ?
posted on 29/9/20
Sky pay the footballers wages, alongside BT, so of course they are unleashed to make up any ballacks they want.
Sky grow the vegetables, the clubs pick them, the players wrap them up in nice pretty packages and we buy and eat them.
Before shtting them out through the week, handing back the compost so the club can be ready for the fresh harvest the next weekend
It’s a circular economy
posted on 29/9/20
I think it's a clear as day that Pool are currently the complete package, & the rest of us are on catch up...
I'm hoping my club are going in the right direction, by spending the Hazard money wisely...well mostly - hopefully we've corrected the keeping error
posted on 29/9/20
comment by Shinjury list (U1700)
posted 23 minutes ago
Sky pay the footballers wages, alongside BT, so of course they are unleashed to make up any ballacks they want.
Sky grow the vegetables, the clubs pick them, the players wrap them up in nice pretty packages and we buy and eat them.
Before shtting them out through the week, handing back the compost so the club can be ready for the fresh harvest the next weekend
It’s a circular economy
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Shin...do you have an allotment...just wondering..
posted on 29/9/20
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 8 hours, 33 minutes ago
Imo we ain’t getting a DoF anytime soon. No football guy worth his salt will want to come in and be an impotent force answering to Ed.
-------
This is point is something I've read that led to the failure of getting in a Technical Director. The scope of the job basically means you become someone who takes the stick instead of Ed yet you have very little power to do so. It was apparently why Paul Mitchell rejected to take up the role.
posted on 29/9/20
Give Ole time.
Please, it's funny.
posted on 29/9/20
It's two games into the season.
Two games.
The negativity is tiring.
Yes, Liverpool are streets ahead. But that is also true for every other PL club at the moment and as someone on here said - it only took them four years to achieve it.
I think it's time to get behind the manager and the players and reassess later this season.
posted on 29/9/20
I think it's time to get behind the manager and the players and reassess later this season.
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The same time it's been since he joined.
posted on 29/9/20
comment by HB Fash - 2008 UEFA Cup Champions - Awarded 2020* (U21935)
posted 29 seconds ago
I think it's time to get behind the manager and the players and reassess later this season.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
The same time it's been since he joined.
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Yes, probably.
Although if last season had ended badly, then perhaps not.
But it didn't. It ended well. And now we're 180 minutes into a new season ffs.
posted on 29/9/20
*200 minutes allowing for VAR
posted on 29/9/20
Madness is repeating the same thing expecting different results.
posted on 29/9/20
comment by Robb Pacino (U22311)
posted 9 hours, 5 minutes ago
Imo we ain’t getting a DoF anytime soon. No football guy worth his salt will want to come in and be an impotent force answering to Ed. The guy has too much power at the club and short of the Glazers selling we’ll be stuck in this loop time and time again. They’re happy to make top 4 every season and anything else is a bonus.
The only joy we can expect until any sale happens is to bring in a manager who can make gold from what he has at his disposal. You all know my feelings about Ole and he scraped another season but while no one expects a title challenge this season he should be looking to push on and I doubt he’ll go anywhere while he can still make the bare minimum of top 4. As Roy Keane said tonight , he’s toast without it.
The ghost of Pochettino is there, not only for Ole but for Lampard too. Wonder which of us will get to him first?
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Welcome back, Robb. Hope all went well with the move and that you’re settled in
Scholay is seriously missing you. He’s been busy (since half time on Saturday, probably) trying to argue that the manager deserves a good sacking already because - despite admitting that our players aren’t good enough to compete with Liverpool’s or City’s - Ole isn’t competing with Liverpool and City.
He’ll be more excited than anyone to see you back I’d expect
posted on 29/9/20
comment by HB Fash - 2008 UEFA Cup Champions - Awarded 2020* (U21935)
posted 30 seconds ago
Madness is repeating the same thing expecting different results.
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Tactically updating us, improving the style of play, improving cohesion on the field, improving results, noticeably improving some players’ output, bringing a new wave of youngsters through.
Yeah, happy to see that repeated.
posted on 29/9/20
comment by HB Fash - 2008 UEFA Cup Champions - Awarded 2020* (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
Madness is repeating the same thing expecting different results.
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This bears no relation to my point or United's situation.
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