I don't think so Mud. You are simply guilty of going along with the 'Jose doesn't use youth products.' Who exactly are you comparing him with on his use of youth products FFS?

I suspect this attemot at tarnishing Jose's reputation has a lot to do with your love of LVG.

Wow, this is awkward, VC and Mud disagreeing. Has this happened before??(

comment by Reddevilsdouble- il just say it was a joke (U12215)

posted 15 seconds ago

Wow, this is awkward, VC and Mud disagreeing.

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Why would this be awkward? MUDd and I disagree quite often. We just don't make a song and dance about it.

Not sure what you think I am disagreeing with him on, on here, though.

It's all in the thread.

comment by Reddevilsdouble- il just say it was a joke (U12215)
posted 1 minute ago

It's all in the thread.

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It really isn't.

MUDd and I have not disagreed on anything as far as I am aware. I have only made a few comments to MUDd, and none of them were in disagreement to anything he has said.

Well I suppose Kakuta could be one. But the point is that under Jose Chelsea had more players loaned out, than the number in the squad. So it's a fair bet that very few of them are going to get games at Chelsea are they?
It's just stockpiling because they can afford to, and hope they get another Curtois.

I'v never heard anyone say Jose 'wasting' youngsters,thats an invention of the OP. Just that he prefers using his main,experienced squad over the season. It has won him trophies, but at a price.
One being that every player costs money.
Few of them are comitted to the club in the same way as an ex trainee.
Plus if every manager did the same, where would the players come from ?

Rdd, you have not established José's ability to develop a player coming through the ranks.

The Chelsea fans have confirmed this and I'm sure Porto, Inter, Madrid and Chelsea fans again will confirm this to you.

You really are one of the most stupid people I have encountered in my lifetime.

manusinse52

Stop showing the OP some common sense. His brain will explode.

Kakuta came under Carlo Ancelotti if I'm not mistaken

Right, time for lunch. I am sure that RDD will have made himself look an even bigger prune by the time I get back.

Finally RDD, as you are the one defending Jose's record, I think it is incumbent on you to provide a list of the players Jose has brought through from the Chelsea youth team.
Nobody has said he is wasting players, just that he doesn't promote youth often, so perhaps you can show that viewpoint to be wrong.

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
Finally RDD, as you are the one defending Jose's record, I think it is incumbent on you to provide a list of the players Jose has brought through from the Chelsea youth team.
Nobody has said he is wasting players, just that he doesn't promote youth often, so perhaps you can show that viewpoint to be wrong.
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He was asked to do this on page 1 along with him being told the premise of is argument was flawed.

Did he listen? Nope,it is rdd and his hunger to make a fool out of himself

Maybe the Chelsea academics aren't that good enough then.

RLC has appeared to be a lazy player, Jose comment on that in pre season. A certain Josh was preferred above Lampard by some fans during Ancelotti time yet Josh has gone into oblivion today and Lampard the last time I checked did well with Man city.
Ake is doing ok with Watford, but nothing special, Bamford went on loan to Palace and can't secure a place.

Jose may not be a fan of the academics just as most elite coaches doesn't do such.

Barca with their great academic has no one in their present first 11. Signing Neymar and Suarez instead of giving those from the academics the opportunity to step up.

Arsenal with their academic record has not won a dine with them until they start fielding real first team players in their FA cup



Remember, you don't win stuff with kids

Yeah, I saw that MUD, but it was seven pages ago, so I thought he may have forgotten the question.

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 36 seconds ago
Yeah, I saw that MUD, but it was seven pages ago, so I thought he may have forgotten the question.
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You are dealing with a special individual here mate.

Good luck

Mud - the key to this is has Jose had the youth products to use? I asked in the OP for the names of those youth products he hasn't used. Nobody has provided any.

Well, I rather think its up to you to tell us the ones he has used.
Or are we to believe Chelsea, with all their resources have not had at least a few to give chances to.
Someone good enough to play regularly in the first team. We have, as have Liverpool and Spurs and others, like the league leaders.

I dont think the likes of Varela and Rashford have anything to worry about if Jose becomes our next manager. Its a myth that Jose doesnt play youngsters. Jose has played plenty of young players in his career, if they already proven they are good enough.we have a decent chunk of the season ahead of us, so if our youngsters can perform well and prove that they are good enough for the PL, Jose will play them If/when he takes over.

Jose's major flaw is that he doesnt trust untested youngsters. Therefore, its the academy players that still havent got a decent run in the side that are in danger of not getting any game time. Young players like Martial, Memphis, Shaw, Lingard, CBJ, Varela and Rashford will be fine as long as they do what they were told.

Building a squad doesnt have to take a linear path of either relying on youngsters or buying established players. Every great squad is build upon a combination of both.

We dont need a manager that focuses on blooding in youngsters, Our squad have plenty of them already. We need more experienced players. If Carrick and Rooney are to leave the club at the end of the season, we dont have many experience players to guide our promising youngsters.

IMO jose is the perfect manager to take over at United given the current state of our squad. Our squad is full of players who are either under the age of 25 or over 31. We need players who are between the age of 25 and 30, players who are currently playing at their peak.

We need a few ready made top players to provide consistency in our performances and provide guidance to our young players, I think we can all agree that Jose is pretty good at buying those ready made players.

comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
Well, I rather think its up to you to tell us the ones he has used.
Or are we to believe Chelsea, with all their resources have not had at least a few to give chances to.
Someone good enough to play regularly in the first team. We have, as have Liverpool and Spurs and others, like the league leaders.

On the flip side, can you name the ones established since 2007 by any other Chelsea manager? Thought not.

In fact I'm almost certain Mourinho gave out more first team debuts to academy players than any other manager we've had in that time.

He's no different to 90% of the managers at the biggest clubs. When was the last time a United or a Barca introduced almost an entire team of youngsters into their squad to establish them?

Just a fact these days that the better clubs mostly introduce young players they've bought rather than ones they've produced

LvG has given 14 players from the Academy their debuts in less than two seasons. And Jose in all his time at Chelsea ?

How many of those 14 were because of injuries?

It's not a dig at United or defending Jose, just a fact that managers at top clubs won't use many academy players, if any.

I would think about half because of injuries. Looking at an article in the Guardian at least half replaced or were replaced by a senior player. Or given their debut in CC game.

Looks to me like the only ones who didn't get played either as a debut or the ones who made follow up appearences were James Wilson and Lingaard.

just a fact that managers at top clubs won't use many academy players, if any.

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Really? The only two top clubs I can think of that don't really use academy players are Chelsea and City.

To be fair, City have done so this season.