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comment by babyen ansikt snikmorder (U9094)
posted 41 seconds ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 16 seconds ago
If saving the planet is going to impact people’s daily lives and cost them in the short term, it ain’t gonna happen
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The cost of living for many people at the moment isn’t helping people to be environmentally friendly either unfortunately. Lots of families will buy cheap items out of necessity, and those items invariably have a detrimental effect on the environment.
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Exactly, the cost of living crisis which millions will now face will put saving the planet on the back burner, or in the bin

comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 20 seconds ago
Until we solve world poverty people won’t put climate change at the centre of their thinking. Start there
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Climate change is going to vastly increase world poverty.

comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 12 seconds ago
Acting like climate change is the result of the actions of regular people rather than governments and corporations >>>>
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It is literally the result of the actions of regular people who freely consume what they want from corporations offering all kinds of alternatives - sustainable and otherwise.

The same people who - in the developed world, at least - have democratically elected governments which have refused to legislate to contain the spectacular excesses of late-stage free market capitalism and curb emissions.
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I don't disagree that we have personal responsibility, just making fun of petey for acting like people can't complain about climate change unless they collect rainwater and reuse tissues

comment by babyen ansikt snikmorder (U9094)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 16 seconds ago
If saving the planet is going to impact people’s daily lives and cost them in the short term, it ain’t gonna happen
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The cost of living for many people at the moment isn’t helping people to be environmentally friendly either unfortunately. Lots of families will buy cheap items out of necessity, and those items invariably have a detrimental effect on the environment.
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I think this is a huge challenge for ethical and sustainable businesses, many of which already operate on very slim margins. There are some in our domain which have already hit the wall, including one with a fantastic reputation and respectable history in the UK.

Choices are going to be difficult for people; but unfortunately, now more than ever, the ones they make when they shop are going to be critical.

SMEs drive innovation and change in sustainable business development, and we’re in real danger of losing a lot of them - and with them a lot of hope, expertise, drive and dedication - through the coming recession.

I hope people think hard about doing what they *can* to support environmentally-focussed and aware small businesses in particular through the tough times coming.

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comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 12 seconds ago
Acting like climate change is the result of the actions of regular people rather than governments and corporations >>>>
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It is literally the result of the actions of regular people who freely consume what they want from corporations offering all kinds of alternatives - sustainable and otherwise.

The same people who - in the developed world, at least - have democratically elected governments which have refused to legislate to contain the spectacular excesses of late-stage free market capitalism and curb emissions.
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I don't disagree that we have personal responsibility, just making fun of petey for acting like people can't complain about climate change unless they collect rainwater and reuse tissues
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comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 8 seconds ago
People who can barely feed themselves day to day won’t be fixated on climate change, rather they will be fixated on survival. If you improve peoples circumstance s you will see them focus on matters such as climate change.
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There are a lot of basic things people can do in the West in terms of behavioural change in their consumption that can actually save people money *and* help those in the developing world in various ways.

It isn’t one or the other.

Us on our little open air island, aren’t going to save the planet from global warming. Places like china are destroying the planet and the masses of deforestation that has been going for years we need to worry about.

I got given a bottle of Argentinian wine that says ‘carbon neutral’ on it. It’s utter bollox like that people are getting ripped off on, or exploiting that’s ruining us. Same with all this green crap. It’s just not possible!

We buy gas and oil, at a massive expense to the normal average working people, when we have what we need already right here, what difference does it make? Until a proper doable, affordable, sensible plan is out in place, we are going to have to keep using fossil fuels.

Many working poor people in the UK are hoping that Green and social levies on their energy bills will be cancelled to ease the effects on their children going hungry and cold, or at worst entire families being made homeless due to the cost of living crisis. And you can understand their concerns and point of view.

Capitalism is finally eating itself.

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I have been vegan for almost a year - easy way to massively decrease your carbon footprint

comment by Wetherby White (U6810)
posted 17 seconds ago
Us on our little open air island, aren’t going to save the planet from global warming. Places like china are destroying the planet and the masses of deforestation that has been going for years we need to worry about.

I got given a bottle of Argentinian wine that says ‘carbon neutral’ on it. It’s utter bollox like that people are getting ripped off on, or exploiting that’s ruining us. Same with all this green crap. It’s just not possible!

We buy gas and oil, at a massive expense to the normal average working people, when we have what we need already right here, what difference does it make? Until a proper doable, affordable, sensible plan is out in place, we are going to have to keep using fossil fuels.
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It’s literally gonna take everyone though, isn’t it?

If the attitude of the more-than-half of the world that lives outside outside China and India is, “Well, they aren’t doing it, so I won’t,” (whether they’re right or wrong about that), then we’re screwed.

(A very large part of the reason why China’s carbon footprint is absolutely vast is that North American and European consumers continue to choose to buy vast amounts of products made for Western-owned and based companies in China.)

im eating double the amount of meat as normal to offset Crhistopher's good work

comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 1 minute ago
Rosso - I’m referring to people in country’s with very low gdp and widespread poverty, which accounts for billions of people.

In terms of in the west, people can cut down on many things they don’t need to do. Cut down on going out, takeaways, smoking and drinking etc will save people thousands. Reduce use of cars etc and less holidays etc etc
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don't people in the East go out, eat takeaways smoke, drink have holidays and drive cars?

comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 1 minute ago
Rosso - I’m referring to people in country’s with very low gdp and widespread poverty, which accounts for billions of people.

In terms of in the west, people can cut down on many things they don’t need to do. Cut down on going out, takeaways, smoking and drinking etc will save people thousands. Reduce use of cars etc and less holidays etc etc
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So basically unless your business is supply essential items or services, you go bust. I’m not saying your wrong in that families will now have to cut back, but it’s going to ruin the hospitality/restaurant trade as well as many others.

comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 58 seconds ago
I have been vegan for almost a year - easy way to massively decrease your carbon footprint
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Yep, makes a colossal difference. Even just cutting in half meat and dairy consumption makes a huge difference in Westerners’ carbon footprints, such are our habits.

Two of the biggest are long haul flights and food. Often account for well over half of middle class Westerners’ (bloated) carbon footprints.

comment by Pierre-Emerick Emiliano François Aubameyang (U3245)
posted 1 minute ago
im eating double the amount of meat as normal to offset Crhistopher's good work
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Your offset will be offset by the decrease in your life expectancy

comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Wetherby White (U6810)
posted 17 seconds ago
Us on our little open air island, aren’t going to save the planet from global warming. Places like china are destroying the planet and the masses of deforestation that has been going for years we need to worry about.

I got given a bottle of Argentinian wine that says ‘carbon neutral’ on it. It’s utter bollox like that people are getting ripped off on, or exploiting that’s ruining us. Same with all this green crap. It’s just not possible!

We buy gas and oil, at a massive expense to the normal average working people, when we have what we need already right here, what difference does it make? Until a proper doable, affordable, sensible plan is out in place, we are going to have to keep using fossil fuels.
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It’s literally gonna take everyone though, isn’t it?

If the attitude of the more-than-half of the world that lives outside outside China and India is, “Well, they aren’t doing it, so I won’t,” (whether they’re right or wrong about that), then we’re screwed.

(A very large part of the reason why China’s carbon footprint is absolutely vast is that North American and European consumers continue to choose to buy vast amounts of products made for Western-owned and based companies in China.)
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I’m absolutely not saying we shouldn’t be doing our bit. We make up a ridiculously small part of the worlds carbon footprint though, we should be able to do this properly and at a rate the average person can afford.

comment by Wetherby White (U6810)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 1 minute ago
Rosso - I’m referring to people in country’s with very low gdp and widespread poverty, which accounts for billions of people.

In terms of in the west, people can cut down on many things they don’t need to do. Cut down on going out, takeaways, smoking and drinking etc will save people thousands. Reduce use of cars etc and less holidays etc etc
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So basically unless your business is supply essential items or services, you go bust. I’m not saying your wrong in that families will now have to cut back, but it’s going to ruin the hospitality/restaurant trade as well as many others.
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Or people’s decisions feed trends that see those kinds of businesses change the products they offer for more sustainable alternatives?

In terms of your personal carbon footprint, depending on your choices, eating and drinking out can be a great way to spend your money.

comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pierre-Emerick Emiliano François Aubameyang (U3245)
posted 1 minute ago
im eating double the amount of meat as normal to offset Crhistopher's good work
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Your offset will be offset by the decrease in your life expectancy
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fak. I'll burn a forest down too then

comment by Wetherby White (U6810)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Wetherby White (U6810)
posted 17 seconds ago
Us on our little open air island, aren’t going to save the planet from global warming. Places like china are destroying the planet and the masses of deforestation that has been going for years we need to worry about.

I got given a bottle of Argentinian wine that says ‘carbon neutral’ on it. It’s utter bollox like that people are getting ripped off on, or exploiting that’s ruining us. Same with all this green crap. It’s just not possible!

We buy gas and oil, at a massive expense to the normal average working people, when we have what we need already right here, what difference does it make? Until a proper doable, affordable, sensible plan is out in place, we are going to have to keep using fossil fuels.
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It’s literally gonna take everyone though, isn’t it?

If the attitude of the more-than-half of the world that lives outside outside China and India is, “Well, they aren’t doing it, so I won’t,” (whether they’re right or wrong about that), then we’re screwed.

(A very large part of the reason why China’s carbon footprint is absolutely vast is that North American and European consumers continue to choose to buy vast amounts of products made for Western-owned and based companies in China.)
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I’m absolutely not saying we shouldn’t be doing our bit. We make up a ridiculously small part of the worlds carbon footprint though, we should be able to do this properly and at a rate the average person can afford.
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Sure

I think there’s more to be done by campaigners, enterprises in the various sustainable marketplaces, governments, in schools, in the media, etc. to help people understand how they can make more considered choices that don’t cost the Earth (no pun intended) too. Employers need to help their staff too.

There a lot that people might do that could help them save money, live a healthier lifestyle, *and* help control their carbon footprints.

More important things to worry about presently than this.

I better start planting trees too I guess

It’ll take government collaboration. I don’t think you can expect people to consciencely make changes.