True. Could change the premise slightly and go with him hunting down just one, have a Das Boot style film of cat and mouse between Vader and the Jedi. That could work imo as you don’t see a film of Vader just slaughtering Jedi

I’m with Guv after Ep9 let’s come away from what we’re used to and go explore something else.

Just seen Solo. Not disastrous but the bad bits overshadowed the good bits for me

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So does anyone think we might get a Maul anthology film? That the ending of Solo was setting his film up and not obi wans?

comment by Obers (U3904)
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
And of course giving Rian Johnson his own trilogy
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ridiculous decision to announce that before the reception of TLJ.

We now have a massively fractured fanbase because of how divisive the film proved to be and Disney have already signed him up to another trilogy.

Really strange decision from such a big brand.

There's no doubt that the poor box office from Solo is primarily down to the mixed reaction for TLJ.

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comment by Tiddles (U17634)
posted 7 hours, 52 minutes ago
So does anyone think we might get a Maul anthology film? That the ending of Solo was setting his film up and not obi wans?
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There's certainly a huge gap in his story from Clone Wars to Rebels. Its definitely one story that could have a lot of miles still in it.

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 10 minutes ago
Disney have made star wars far too political with the SJW overtness in Solo and the animal rights nonsense in TLJ.

Episode 9 is make or break for Disney. If that movie turns out to be poor, Star Wars will be plunged into darkness and all future projects will be in danger.
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meh, none of the political stuff really stood out for me or bothered me in any way.

I don;t think the quality of the movies will dictate what happens with future projects, just the box office.

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Just looking at the box office incomes for SW films.

TLJ only took a bit more than Rogue 1 and significantly less than TFA. Interestingly the opening weekends for TFA and TLJ were very similar. Very different after that.

Solo has taken less than any other major Star Wars film, including the originals almost 40 years ago.

It’s got to be a worry for them, it’s a trend they’ll want to reverse. Solo didn’t lose money but didn’t make much. I think there’ll be a lot of pressure on the Ep9 and frankly.

If anyone is interested:
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Star-Wars#tab=summary

* and frankly I feel a bit sorry for JJ.

comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 7 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by Tiddles (U17634)
posted 7 hours, 52 minutes ago
So does anyone think we might get a Maul anthology film? That the ending of Solo was setting his film up and not obi wans?
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There's certainly a huge gap in his story from Clone Wars to Rebels. Its definitely one story that could have a lot of miles still in it.
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That’s what i thought. There’s a lot of story to tell and one that could be a lot of fun.

I have liked all the films put out so far, only really loved 1 but liked them all, so I’m fine with them tackling it.

Also Guv I’m well aware the next anthology film will be Kenobi, my point was is the Maul ending setting up his own movie rather than setting up a kenobi film, as everyone seems to think. But if you’ve seen rebels you know why they can’t do a kenobi film with Maul in it, it would be a contradiction.

comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 7 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 4 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 10 minutes ago
Disney have made star wars far too political with the SJW overtness in Solo and the animal rights nonsense in TLJ.

Episode 9 is make or break for Disney. If that movie turns out to be poor, Star Wars will be plunged into darkness and all future projects will be in danger.
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meh, none of the political stuff really stood out for me or bothered me in any way.

I don;t think the quality of the movies will dictate what happens with future projects, just the box office.
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I'd disagree with the second part. TLJ was a film that divided the fan base but it made big money at the box office. If Episode 9 has a similar or even worse reaction but does big opening box office numbers based on the trailers, it will effect how Disney move forward with this franchise.
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If the movie makes a lot of money it wont make or break Disney at all.

Make money, make movies.

comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 2 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 7 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by Manfrombelmonty (U1705)
posted 4 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 10 minutes ago
Disney have made star wars far too political with the SJW overtness in Solo and the animal rights nonsense in TLJ.

Episode 9 is make or break for Disney. If that movie turns out to be poor, Star Wars will be plunged into darkness and all future projects will be in danger.
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meh, none of the political stuff really stood out for me or bothered me in any way.

I don;t think the quality of the movies will dictate what happens with future projects, just the box office.
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I'd disagree with the second part. TLJ was a film that divided the fan base but it made big money at the box office. If Episode 9 has a similar or even worse reaction but does big opening box office numbers based on the trailers, it will effect how Disney move forward with this franchise.
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If the movie makes a lot of money it wont make or break Disney at all.

Make money, make movies.
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Whilst usually I’d agree with this, Star Wars is a 4 bullion dollar asset to Disney.

It may have paid for itself in terms of revenue thus far but it’s still an asset. You just don’t devalue an asset of that size by eroding it’s fan base with mediocre films.

They’ve made 4.6 billion off just 4 films. And that’s only the films, then add in all the books, toys, merchandise etc and it’s a huge money maker for them.

TFA was an anomaly. TLJ was never going to make as much money as people had waited 12 years from the last one and it was seen by many as the “reboot” from the prequels which a lot of people didn’t like. TLJ is also the middle part so doesnt have as much hype as the first or last part of a trilogy.

They’re still making a lot of money off the films, and will continue to. Solo was a failure because they chose a film no one really wanted to see. And even then it’s still made 380 million so far.

TFA was an anomaly. TLJ was never going to make as much money as people had waited 12 years from the last one and it was seen by many as the “reboot” from the prequels which a lot of people didn’t like. TLJ is also the middle part so doesnt have as much hype as the first or last part of a trilogy.
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Yeah but there would have been a huge number of fans that saw TFA more than once, who didn't feel the same with TLJ because they were disappointed with it, me included. That will make a difference.



"They’re still making a lot of money off the films, and will continue to. Solo was a failure because they chose a film no one really wanted to see. And even then it’s still made 380 million so far."

Agreed that it was a film no-one really wanted, but if TLJ had been better and there hadn't been all the fuss with the director then it still would have been well received. I didn't want Rogue One, but on the back of TFA I happily went and watched it on opening day. I haven't seen Han Solo yet.

On a personal level I feel like the box office numbers perfectly correlate with how I feel about the franchise - an element of Star Wars fatigue mixed in with a growing sense of 'they don't know what they're doing'.

comment by Tiddles (U17634)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
They’ve made 4.6 billion off just 4 films. And that’s only the films, then add in all the books, toys, merchandise etc and it’s a huge money maker for them.

TFA was an anomaly. TLJ was never going to make as much money as people had waited 12 years from the last one and it was seen by many as the “reboot” from the prequels which a lot of people didn’t like. TLJ is also the middle part so doesnt have as much hype as the first or last part of a trilogy.

They’re still making a lot of money off the films, and will continue to. Solo was a failure because they chose a film no one really wanted to see. And even then it’s still made 380 million so far.
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They have made a huge amount of money and that says that there is a huge amount more to be made. How do you make that? Making good films people want to see, have them buying into the universe as a whole and retaining/growing the fan base.

If Disney have any sense (and they do) they’ll want to protect this massive investment and income stream. That means creating a good product.

I’m not saying Disney are going to go broke or they’ll ditch SW or anything daft. It’s not make or break. However they’ll want to reverse the trend. TLJ and Solo did little to grow be SW brand; the reverse could be argued.

Solo didn’t make 380m, that’s the revenue I believe. Production costs are said to be 250m then you have marketing and distribution. I doubt they’ll have lost money but I doubt they’ll be happy with the results of such a big project.

As a fan it’s all good as far as I’m concerned - motivation to make excellent film is ok by me!

Do you think it's clever holding off on making a Kenobi film? The fans want it soooo badly that it'll be an instant hit and the longer the delay the more the excitement.

Sorry Naby what i meant was it had made 380 million worldwide in terms of ticket sales, not net profit.

I would be surprised if it cost 250 million to make, unless your including all the marketing costs in there too?

I thought Solo was fine personally, didn’t find anything wrong with it.

Ultimately what is often lost a bit in the conversation regarding will it make money etc is there is a whole new generation growing up with it and being introduced to Star Wars because of these, and they love them. Work colleagues two teenage daughters had never seen Star Wars before TFA released and they love them now, get excited about any Star Wars news and go see the movies when they come out. The same is true for a lot of people that age.

Whilst the generation slightly older may not be as keen on it as them, they’re going to make so much money off them alone.

I’m not saying they shouldn’t look to improve or anything, but i don’t think there in any real trouble. Anyone who thought TLJ was going to get anywhere close to TFA at the box office was crazy. Only 3 films have ever cracked 2 billion at the box office, Avatar, Titanic and TFA. It just doesn’t happen.

comment by Tiddles (U17634)
posted 3 hours, 44 minutes ago
Sorry Naby what i meant was it had made 380 million worldwide in terms of ticket sales, not net profit.

I would be surprised if it cost 250 million to make, unless your including all the marketing costs in there too?

I thought Solo was fine personally, didn’t find anything wrong with it.

Ultimately what is often lost a bit in the conversation regarding will it make money etc is there is a whole new generation growing up with it and being introduced to Star Wars because of these, and they love them. Work colleagues two teenage daughters had never seen Star Wars before TFA released and they love them now, get excited about any Star Wars news and go see the movies when they come out. The same is true for a lot of people that age.

Whilst the generation slightly older may not be as keen on it as them, they’re going to make so much money off them alone.

I’m not saying they shouldn’t look to improve or anything, but i don’t think there in any real trouble. Anyone who thought TLJ was going to get anywhere close to TFA at the box office was crazy. Only 3 films have ever cracked 2 billion at the box office, Avatar, Titanic and TFA. It just doesn’t happen.
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I have inside knowledge, just what is reported - $250m for production & $150m for marketing:
https://variety.com/2018/film/news/solo-a-star-wars-story-box-office-losses-1202825432/

I don't think anyone expected TLJ to make TFA level money, as you said - few do. Given Rogue 1 made $1b however I'd be surprised if $1.3b is considered great. Obviously that's still a lot of money but it's all relative

* I have no inside knowledge

Important distinction!

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