http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBSH2oWVGEs

this is a great debate

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Do you actually believe what you've just written? Put aside the fact that religion has consistently refuted science and hindered progression
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I like to think the hindrance has made science more focused and better overall.

It's not ignorance..it's a made up story. Not a single scrap of evidence in the whole history of time and space. Brainwashing for the masses !
Look at the Philippines, ridiculously brainwashed by Catholicism, massive natural disaster.

"Where was their god then. "
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just wow

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My personal belief is that science proves a single God exists.

To believe that particles can appear from nothing is to disprove science completely. What you're basically saying is that energy and mass can be created from nothing.

Let's use the chicken and the egg conundrum. What came first? Eventually you would have to come to the realisation that one of them had to come first, and that one has to defy everything else that science and logic disproves. So, something, or someone, had to have the power to create something else, without being created itself. I know this might sound confusing to some (or all?), but to say that there is no logical proof that God exists is nonsensical.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PdxeAM1y5ZU&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DPdxeAM1y5ZU

This is the full Hitchens religion debate. With intelegent input from both sides.

It's been entertaining gentlemen, but time to go home

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comment by Greatteamswinit4times (U6008)




posted 55 seconds ago



mancinicity- My issue is that your belief that things would somehow be worse if Christianity didn't exist? What about the things the church has hindered over the years? The scientists and artists that had to retreat from public because of their lack of belief and what the church would do?
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Most of these positive changes throughout history have always been brought about by the non conformist Christians and not the established religious elites. Recall I said earlier that the religious guys killed Christ because he was a non conformist. Men like Galileo, Copernicus were persecuted for their ideas by the religious elites. But all positive changes to our modern world was brought about by Christians. I have done a lot of recent study and I can assure you that we should be grateful for our past generations.

It was Christians that ended the Gladiators in Rome. Theodore Filner trained hundreds of peasants in Germany to care for the poor and needy as nurses. This was what inspired Florence Nightingale to establish nursing schools all over the world. Florence left a life of luxury to serve her God by providing service to her people.
If you are in employment today and you have additional pecks of office such as private healthcare, holidays, good pay etc, know that it all started with Christians like George Cadbury who decided to treat their workers as equal. Before then, man, wife and kids from age 5 have to work just to keep their heads above water.
Google Robert Raikes - he started teaching poor kids in England how to read and write mainly on Sundays - this was what came to be known as Sunday School. It led the king to enact a law which then made education compulsory for kids in England - And yes, Robert was motivated by his Faith in Christ.
GOOGLE THESE FACTS AND YOU WILL BE SURPRISED AT HOW christianity changed us for good compared to what the press would have you believe today
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Also remember Church hindered the development of science and technology for centuries which set us back ages

for every good influence of religion on society, there is a bad influence. For every person that used religion to do good, there is someone who used it to do horrible deeds. This is the same for all region

comment by That Boy Ronaldo (U13520)
posted 21 seconds ago
My personal belief is that science proves a single God exists.

To believe that particles can appear from nothing is to disprove science completely. What you're basically saying is that energy and mass can be created from nothing.

Let's use the chicken and the egg conundrum. What came first? Eventually you would have to come to the realisation that one of them had to come first, and that one has to defy everything else that science and logic disproves. So, something, or someone, had to have the power to create something else, without being created itself. I know this might sound confusing to some (or all?), but to say that there is no logical proof that God exists is nonsensical.
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Rubbish.


There were eggs on this planet millions of years before there were any chickens!!

Religion is a discriminatory belief.It shouldn't have a role in a modern democracy
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I disagree with both points. In cases where it does look/sound discriminatory, it's usually for a good reason.

Imagine what an amazing world we would live in if we could somehow take all the dedication, sincerity, passion and MONEY that people funnel into religion, and channeled into things that actually matter.

WOW. That would be amazing.

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comment by Keep It Greasey (U1396)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by That Boy Ronaldo (U13520)
posted 21 seconds ago
My personal belief is that science proves a single God exists.

To believe that particles can appear from nothing is to disprove science completely. What you're basically saying is that energy and mass can be created from nothing.

Let's use the chicken and the egg conundrum. What came first? Eventually you would have to come to the realisation that one of them had to come first, and that one has to defy everything else that science and logic disproves. So, something, or someone, had to have the power to create something else, without being created itself. I know this might sound confusing to some (or all?), but to say that there is no logical proof that God exists is nonsensical.
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Rubbish.


There were eggs on this planet millions of years before there were any chickens!!
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I'm talking about a chicken egg...

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Dinosaurs layed eggs before chickens were around...

Do you actually believe what you've just written? Put aside the fact that religion has consistently refuted science and hindered progression
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I like to think the hindrance has made science more focused and better overall.

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I hope that is a joke.
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It's true. Read your history.

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That Boy Ronaldo

Interestingly, that is actually my take. Which is why at the very start of this thread I said the belief in God is MORE LOGICAL than the belief that the Universe sprung from nothing. If anything, basic laws of Science would support the existence of God.

However, this is only the case in so far as God as the ultimate creator. Religion, and everything that comes with it, is still a load of rubbish.

comment by Greatteamswinit4times (U6008)
posted 27 seconds ago
To believe that particles can appear from nothing is to disprove science completely. What you're basically saying is that energy and mass can be created from nothing.

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And who created God? Where did he/she/it come from?
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That is my point entirely. There has to be a certain reference that science and time does not apply to him. Otherwise we say that time does not exist because time didn't 'start'.

comment by That Boy Ronaldo (U13520)posted 7 seconds agoMy personal belief is that science proves a single God exists. 

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Einstein/Newton had no explanation of how matter/energy was created. However Hawking is showing that it is possible.

So in 50 years time I am sure that it can be scientifically proven.....