comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 minute ago
And like i said earlier I can attest that cancer treatments weren't affected by lockdown and those in the NHS moved heaven and earth to ensure things went ahead with no delay
The mental health and other concerns were only mentioned by you
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Two of my friends sadly would say the exact opposite. One of them lost their mum a couple of months ago and the other probably only has a couple of weeks with his as she was effectively disregarded for a cough when it turned out to be cancer and now very much terminal.
Cheers pals and not remiss at all... Not trying to play an emotive angle just can say they've been fantastic and not let covid or lockdowns get in the way
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posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 42 seconds ago
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posted less than a minute ago
A boat race??!!!
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Yeah, it's where you split into two teams and have a drink downing race. Stand in a line and you can only start drinking when the person in front has finished. First team to finish wins.
We did try to hire boats one year to race across the lake by the Snow Dome, but we're discouraged by one of my overly cautious friends. Apparently, being inebriated on a lake in December isn't a good idea.
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Hahaha I do like the sound of that. Proper old school pub drinking.
I’m reminded of a scene from men behaving badly
“We are sailing! WE ARE SAAAAAILING”
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We've ended up in a karaoke bar a number of times as well. We've ran a few X Factor style competitions where we ask a randomer in the bar to be a judge.
I forgot to mention too, that the day starts with a secret santa. £5 limit and you don't know who you get as names get pulled out of a hat (so you could yourself). The present has to be carried around for the day, so you usually try to get something awkward. I managed to get a life size cardboard cut out of David Hasselhoff from ebay one year, then pulled my own name out and had to carry it round all day.
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Who knew you were so much fun Tam?!
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comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 minute ago
And like i said earlier I can attest that cancer treatments weren't affected by lockdown and those in the NHS moved heaven and earth to ensure things went ahead with no delay
The mental health and other concerns were only mentioned by you
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Two of my friends sadly would say the exact opposite. One of them lost their mum a couple of months ago and the other probably only has a couple of weeks with his as she was effectively disregarded for a cough when it turned out to be cancer and now very much terminal.
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Sadly people are adversely affected by lockdown in the way that many have likely been saved or helped. Which is better is anyones guess right now and we will probably never know.
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posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 38 seconds ago
Ginger you're ranting about something that nobody has said
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Not so.
Tam claimed that he sees the argument all the time re cancer treatments and claimed that things would be a lot worse if we hadn’t locked down before. Nobody knows that and evidence is pouring out every day as to how much more damaging it is. We’ll probably never find out.
His last comment was just a personal swipe at me from yesterday where he “imagined” I’d made claims about modelling and mitigation effects.
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 minute ago
And like i said earlier I can attest that cancer treatments weren't affected by lockdown and those in the NHS moved heaven and earth to ensure things went ahead with no delay
The mental health and other concerns were only mentioned by you
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Two of my friends sadly would say the exact opposite. One of them lost their mum a couple of months ago and the other probably only has a couple of weeks with his as she was effectively disregarded for a cough when it turned out to be cancer and now very much terminal.
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Sadly people are adversely affected by lockdown in the way that many have likely been saved or helped. Which is better is anyones guess right now and we will probably never know.
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I think you’re right in that we will never truly be able to calculate the effects of lockdowns. Last winter was clearly a different level but I really don’t appreciate the way we’re heading again and I really hope we’re done with lockdowns. The hospitalisations and deaths do not justify it for me.
There are an absolute shiiiitload of papers on the direct and indirect impacts of lockdowns Ginger, on everything from the most obvious to downstream impacts on healthcare provision, to sleep patterns and eating habits, to wider economic issues for the decade to come. The idea that we know next to nothing about the downstream impacts is nonsense.
Some areas have seen greater focus than others, but it is very clear that, short-term, lockdowns have saved literally millions of lives globally, and prevented millions more from suffering (immediately) hospitalisation, and longer-term issues, including long-term breathing problems, heart complications, chronic kidney impairment, strokes, etc. There is growing evidence, for example, about a very worrying relationship between COVID-19 and rapid onset type-I diabetes, particularly in children.
What would you have done as hospitals approached capacity? Just let the virus rip and leave people dying in the streets? Conjured thousands of additional beds and healthcare staff out of nowhere?
As for the ‘cancer treatments’ argument, academically that has been put to bed already. Those countries which locked down earlier and harder and controlled the first couple of waves saw fewer issues with cancellations and healthcare staff shortages than those which took a laissez faire approach and saw their healthcare systems stretched to the limit.
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 52 minutes ago
TORY MP DEAN RUSSELL
"One of the other comments I've heard is people are concerned we're prioritising Covid over other things... cancer, Covid over other serious issues."
CHRIS WHITTY
"This is sometimes said by people who have no understanding of health at al, but don't think it is said by anyone who's serious, if I'm honest. "And when they say it, it's usually because they want to make a political point. "The reality is, if you ask any doctor working in any part of the system they'll say this, that what is threatening our ability to do cancer... is the fact that so much of the NHS effort, so many of the beds, are having to be put over to Covid and we're having to work in a less efficient way because Covid is there."
"The idea that the lockdowns caused the problems with things like cancer is a complete inversion of reality. If we'd not had the lockdowns, the whole system would be in deep, deep trouble."
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Whitty
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 38 seconds ago
Ginger you're ranting about something that nobody has said
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Not so.
Tam claimed that he sees the argument all the time re cancer treatments and claimed that things would be a lot worse if we hadn’t locked down before. Nobody knows that and evidence is pouring out every day as to how much more damaging it is. We’ll probably never find out.
His last comment was just a personal swipe at me from yesterday where he “imagined” I’d made claims about modelling and mitigation effects.
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Aye. You away and slap your own head. Might knock some sense into it and stop you making ridiculous assumptions and accusations.
Then again…..
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 minute ago
And like i said earlier I can attest that cancer treatments weren't affected by lockdown and those in the NHS moved heaven and earth to ensure things went ahead with no delay
The mental health and other concerns were only mentioned by you
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Two of my friends sadly would say the exact opposite. One of them lost their mum a couple of months ago and the other probably only has a couple of weeks with his as she was effectively disregarded for a cough when it turned out to be cancer and now very much terminal.
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That's at diagnosis and I am sure there are cases of that where GPs couldn't do in person or were working out how to consult remotely etc yeah but again it's not that NHS prioritised covid over cancer but an operational risk that popped up from a BCP/disaster recovery scenario
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 10 minutes ago
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posted 38 seconds ago
Ginger you're ranting about something that nobody has said
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Not so.
Tam claimed that he sees the argument all the time re cancer treatments and claimed that things would be a lot worse if we hadn’t locked down before. Nobody knows that and evidence is pouring out every day as to how much more damaging it is. We’ll probably never find out.
His last comment was just a personal swipe at me from yesterday where he “imagined” I’d made claims about modelling and mitigation effects.
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Aye. You away and slap your own head. Might knock some sense into it and stop you making ridiculous assumptions and accusations.
Then again…..
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I haven't done anything of the sort. You've come on here with a bee in your bonnet and taken swipes at me.
https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1471499097014079496?t=0pqh-BlrMh2sacQfeUtMkA&s=19
He's just taking the mick with that hair now
Whilst those figures of 100,000 are quite alarming, Im surprised the more data driven amongst us aren't pointing out that the number of patients would be more helpful..
My friends mum (who sadly has around a month left to live) had her cancer appointments cancelled 5 times over the first two lockdowns, (1 she cancelled/refused herself to have a break in the summer) that 100,000 won't relate to 100,000 people fortunately and it certainly won't be a 100% death rate either.
Lockdowns are essential to protect other NHS services, and I'll continue to advocate/defend them until we have a sensible approach that protects other services.
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posted 2 minutes ago
There are an absolute shiiiitload of papers on the direct and indirect impacts of lockdowns Ginger, on everything from the most obvious to downstream impacts on healthcare provision, to sleep patterns and eating habits, to wider economic issues for the decade to come. The idea that we know next to nothing about the downstream impacts is nonsense.
Some areas have seen greater focus than others, but it is very clear that, short-term, lockdowns have saved literally millions of lives globally, and prevented millions more from suffering (immediately) hospitalisation, and longer-term issues, including long-term breathing problems, heart complications, chronic kidney impairment, strokes, etc. There is growing evidence, for example, about a very worrying relationship between COVID-19 and rapid onset type-I diabetes, particularly in children.
What would you have done as hospitals approached capacity? Just let the virus rip and leave people dying in the streets? Conjured thousands of additional beds and healthcare staff out of nowhere?
As for the ‘cancer treatments’ argument, academically that has been put to bed already. Those countries which locked down earlier and harder and controlled the first couple of waves saw fewer issues with cancellations and healthcare staff shortages than those which took a laissez faire approach and saw their healthcare systems stretched to the limit.
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I don’t doubt there are. As I said we’ve yet to get through and understand what the implications are.
What would I have done? I genuinely have no idea which is why I won’t criticise anyone who’s made a stand or has a belief. I don’t have the ability or the power to have done anything. I’ve generally followed the advice and I’ve taken every vaccination going.
I will not however just listen to one side of the other and proclaim is as gospel. And I’m sorry but modelling we have seen to date has been so wide of the mark it’s it would be considered incredible were it not for the lack of knowledge at any given time. But there has certainly in my mind been a terrible agenda of fear mongering going on from the media, the governments and some of these so called experts who have as much knowledge on virus behaviour as you or I have.
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Whilst those figures of 100,000 are quite alarming, Im surprised the more data driven amongst us aren't pointing out that the number of patients would be more helpful..
My friends mum (who sadly has around a month left to live) had her cancer appointments cancelled 5 times over the first two lockdowns, (1 she cancelled/refused herself to have a break in the summer) that 100,000 won't relate to 100,000 people fortunately and it certainly won't be a 100% death rate either.
Lockdowns are essential to protect other NHS services, and I'll continue to advocate/defend them until we have a sensible approach that protects other services.
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How long do you believe we should carry on like this?
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posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 38 seconds ago
Ginger you're ranting about something that nobody has said
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Not so.
Tam claimed that he sees the argument all the time re cancer treatments and claimed that things would be a lot worse if we hadn’t locked down before. Nobody knows that and evidence is pouring out every day as to how much more damaging it is. We’ll probably never find out.
His last comment was just a personal swipe at me from yesterday where he “imagined” I’d made claims about modelling and mitigation effects.
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Aye. You away and slap your own head. Might knock some sense into it and stop you making ridiculous assumptions and accusations.
Then again…..
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I haven't done anything of the sort. You've come on here with a bee in your bonnet and taken swipes at me.
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Then you must have a double on here. Stranger things have happened
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 minute ago
And like i said earlier I can attest that cancer treatments weren't affected by lockdown and those in the NHS moved heaven and earth to ensure things went ahead with no delay
The mental health and other concerns were only mentioned by you
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Two of my friends sadly would say the exact opposite. One of them lost their mum a couple of months ago and the other probably only has a couple of weeks with his as she was effectively disregarded for a cough when it turned out to be cancer and now very much terminal.
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That's at diagnosis and I am sure there are cases of that where GPs couldn't do in person or were working out how to consult remotely etc yeah but again it's not that NHS prioritised covid over cancer but an operational risk that popped up from a BCP/disaster recovery scenario
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One of them was the other was post diagnosis, surgery was delayed for months. I’m not blaming the NHS or staff of course
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comment by Insert random username (U10647)
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Whilst those figures of 100,000 are quite alarming, Im surprised the more data driven amongst us aren't pointing out that the number of patients would be more helpful..
My friends mum (who sadly has around a month left to live) had her cancer appointments cancelled 5 times over the first two lockdowns, (1 she cancelled/refused herself to have a break in the summer) that 100,000 won't relate to 100,000 people fortunately and it certainly won't be a 100% death rate either.
Lockdowns are essential to protect other NHS services, and I'll continue to advocate/defend them until we have a sensible approach that protects other services.
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How long do you believe we should carry on like this?
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I mean the CMO has literally today said that not introducing measures will cause more issues and lead to more deaths as the NHS won't be able to manage a huge wave alongside all other treatments
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posted 10 minutes ago
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posted 38 seconds ago
Ginger you're ranting about something that nobody has said
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Not so.
Tam claimed that he sees the argument all the time re cancer treatments and claimed that things would be a lot worse if we hadn’t locked down before. Nobody knows that and evidence is pouring out every day as to how much more damaging it is. We’ll probably never find out.
His last comment was just a personal swipe at me from yesterday where he “imagined” I’d made claims about modelling and mitigation effects.
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Aye. You away and slap your own head. Might knock some sense into it and stop you making ridiculous assumptions and accusations.
Then again…..
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I haven't done anything of the sort. You've come on here with a bee in your bonnet and taken swipes at me.
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Then you must have a double on here. Stranger things have happened
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Show me where I have mentioned you on this thread or made any accusations towards you.
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posted 10 minutes ago
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posted 38 seconds ago
Ginger you're ranting about something that nobody has said
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Not so.
Tam claimed that he sees the argument all the time re cancer treatments and claimed that things would be a lot worse if we hadn’t locked down before. Nobody knows that and evidence is pouring out every day as to how much more damaging it is. We’ll probably never find out.
His last comment was just a personal swipe at me from yesterday where he “imagined” I’d made claims about modelling and mitigation effects.
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Aye. You away and slap your own head. Might knock some sense into it and stop you making ridiculous assumptions and accusations.
Then again…..
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I haven't done anything of the sort. You've come on here with a bee in your bonnet and taken swipes at me.
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Then you must have a double on here. Stranger things have happened
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Show me where I have mentioned you on this thread or made any accusations towards you.
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Just now 😂
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
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Whilst those figures of 100,000 are quite alarming, Im surprised the more data driven amongst us aren't pointing out that the number of patients would be more helpful..
My friends mum (who sadly has around a month left to live) had her cancer appointments cancelled 5 times over the first two lockdowns, (1 she cancelled/refused herself to have a break in the summer) that 100,000 won't relate to 100,000 people fortunately and it certainly won't be a 100% death rate either.
Lockdowns are essential to protect other NHS services, and I'll continue to advocate/defend them until we have a sensible approach that protects other services.
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How long do you believe we should carry on like this?
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I mean the CMO has literally today said that not introducing measures will cause more issues and lead to more deaths as the NHS won't be able to manage a huge wave alongside all other treatments
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If the modelling is even remotely correct then no we won’t. So why are we not in immediate lockdown if this is the only resort to turn to.
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posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 38 seconds ago
Ginger you're ranting about something that nobody has said
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Not so.
Tam claimed that he sees the argument all the time re cancer treatments and claimed that things would be a lot worse if we hadn’t locked down before. Nobody knows that and evidence is pouring out every day as to how much more damaging it is. We’ll probably never find out.
His last comment was just a personal swipe at me from yesterday where he “imagined” I’d made claims about modelling and mitigation effects.
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Aye. You away and slap your own head. Might knock some sense into it and stop you making ridiculous assumptions and accusations.
Then again…..
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I haven't done anything of the sort. You've come on here with a bee in your bonnet and taken swipes at me.
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Then you must have a double on here. Stranger things have happened
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Show me where I have mentioned you on this thread or made any accusations towards you.
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Just now 😂
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Where? I've just responded to Ginger doing it to me.
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Where? I've just responded to Ginger doing it to me.
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Just messing
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posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 38 seconds ago
Ginger you're ranting about something that nobody has said
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Not so.
Tam claimed that he sees the argument all the time re cancer treatments and claimed that things would be a lot worse if we hadn’t locked down before. Nobody knows that and evidence is pouring out every day as to how much more damaging it is. We’ll probably never find out.
His last comment was just a personal swipe at me from yesterday where he “imagined” I’d made claims about modelling and mitigation effects.
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Aye. You away and slap your own head. Might knock some sense into it and stop you making ridiculous assumptions and accusations.
Then again…..
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I haven't done anything of the sort. You've come on here with a bee in your bonnet and taken swipes at me.
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Then you must have a double on here. Stranger things have happened
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Show me where I have mentioned you on this thread or made any accusations towards you.
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Just now 😂
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Ach, I’m fed up arguing back and fore. And that includes you Tam so apologies if they are due
There’s more to life than this but I’ll probably piiiss everyone off now by saying I’m off out to socialise in Liverpool tonight.
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comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted less than a minute ago
Whilst those figures of 100,000 are quite alarming, Im surprised the more data driven amongst us aren't pointing out that the number of patients would be more helpful..
My friends mum (who sadly has around a month left to live) had her cancer appointments cancelled 5 times over the first two lockdowns, (1 she cancelled/refused herself to have a break in the summer) that 100,000 won't relate to 100,000 people fortunately and it certainly won't be a 100% death rate either.
Lockdowns are essential to protect other NHS services, and I'll continue to advocate/defend them until we have a sensible approach that protects other services.
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How long do you believe we should carry on like this?
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Well, I care about the provision of all other NHS services, so as long as we need too.
Also k would be completely happy with mask mandates and distancing suggestions being much more frequent.. afterall I'm sure we would all rather have such a minor inconvenience if it prevents far worse restrictions that fack up our ability to enjoy life, socialise and for many: earn a living.
It's going to be less necessary as we build up a catalogue of immunity against the disease anyway, and hopefully they will isolate parts of the virus that doesn't mutate so we can get vaccinations that are far more effective (and hopefully distributable by tablet through the post as they suggest they hope for)
But until then: it's too important that people have access to lifesaving treatment and we need to protect it (or reopen nightingales to prevent covid patients entering hospitals)
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posted on 16/12/21
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 minute ago
And like i said earlier I can attest that cancer treatments weren't affected by lockdown and those in the NHS moved heaven and earth to ensure things went ahead with no delay
The mental health and other concerns were only mentioned by you
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Two of my friends sadly would say the exact opposite. One of them lost their mum a couple of months ago and the other probably only has a couple of weeks with his as she was effectively disregarded for a cough when it turned out to be cancer and now very much terminal.
posted on 16/12/21
Cheers pals and not remiss at all... Not trying to play an emotive angle just can say they've been fantastic and not let covid or lockdowns get in the way
posted on 16/12/21
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
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posted 42 seconds ago
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posted less than a minute ago
A boat race??!!!
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Yeah, it's where you split into two teams and have a drink downing race. Stand in a line and you can only start drinking when the person in front has finished. First team to finish wins.
We did try to hire boats one year to race across the lake by the Snow Dome, but we're discouraged by one of my overly cautious friends. Apparently, being inebriated on a lake in December isn't a good idea.
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Hahaha I do like the sound of that. Proper old school pub drinking.
I’m reminded of a scene from men behaving badly
“We are sailing! WE ARE SAAAAAILING”
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We've ended up in a karaoke bar a number of times as well. We've ran a few X Factor style competitions where we ask a randomer in the bar to be a judge.
I forgot to mention too, that the day starts with a secret santa. £5 limit and you don't know who you get as names get pulled out of a hat (so you could yourself). The present has to be carried around for the day, so you usually try to get something awkward. I managed to get a life size cardboard cut out of David Hasselhoff from ebay one year, then pulled my own name out and had to carry it round all day.
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Who knew you were so much fun Tam?!
posted on 16/12/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 minute ago
And like i said earlier I can attest that cancer treatments weren't affected by lockdown and those in the NHS moved heaven and earth to ensure things went ahead with no delay
The mental health and other concerns were only mentioned by you
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Two of my friends sadly would say the exact opposite. One of them lost their mum a couple of months ago and the other probably only has a couple of weeks with his as she was effectively disregarded for a cough when it turned out to be cancer and now very much terminal.
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Sadly people are adversely affected by lockdown in the way that many have likely been saved or helped. Which is better is anyones guess right now and we will probably never know.
posted on 16/12/21
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 38 seconds ago
Ginger you're ranting about something that nobody has said
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Not so.
Tam claimed that he sees the argument all the time re cancer treatments and claimed that things would be a lot worse if we hadn’t locked down before. Nobody knows that and evidence is pouring out every day as to how much more damaging it is. We’ll probably never find out.
His last comment was just a personal swipe at me from yesterday where he “imagined” I’d made claims about modelling and mitigation effects.
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posted on 16/12/21
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 minute ago
And like i said earlier I can attest that cancer treatments weren't affected by lockdown and those in the NHS moved heaven and earth to ensure things went ahead with no delay
The mental health and other concerns were only mentioned by you
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Two of my friends sadly would say the exact opposite. One of them lost their mum a couple of months ago and the other probably only has a couple of weeks with his as she was effectively disregarded for a cough when it turned out to be cancer and now very much terminal.
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Sadly people are adversely affected by lockdown in the way that many have likely been saved or helped. Which is better is anyones guess right now and we will probably never know.
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I think you’re right in that we will never truly be able to calculate the effects of lockdowns. Last winter was clearly a different level but I really don’t appreciate the way we’re heading again and I really hope we’re done with lockdowns. The hospitalisations and deaths do not justify it for me.
posted on 16/12/21
There are an absolute shiiiitload of papers on the direct and indirect impacts of lockdowns Ginger, on everything from the most obvious to downstream impacts on healthcare provision, to sleep patterns and eating habits, to wider economic issues for the decade to come. The idea that we know next to nothing about the downstream impacts is nonsense.
Some areas have seen greater focus than others, but it is very clear that, short-term, lockdowns have saved literally millions of lives globally, and prevented millions more from suffering (immediately) hospitalisation, and longer-term issues, including long-term breathing problems, heart complications, chronic kidney impairment, strokes, etc. There is growing evidence, for example, about a very worrying relationship between COVID-19 and rapid onset type-I diabetes, particularly in children.
What would you have done as hospitals approached capacity? Just let the virus rip and leave people dying in the streets? Conjured thousands of additional beds and healthcare staff out of nowhere?
As for the ‘cancer treatments’ argument, academically that has been put to bed already. Those countries which locked down earlier and harder and controlled the first couple of waves saw fewer issues with cancellations and healthcare staff shortages than those which took a laissez faire approach and saw their healthcare systems stretched to the limit.
posted on 16/12/21
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 52 minutes ago
TORY MP DEAN RUSSELL
"One of the other comments I've heard is people are concerned we're prioritising Covid over other things... cancer, Covid over other serious issues."
CHRIS WHITTY
"This is sometimes said by people who have no understanding of health at al, but don't think it is said by anyone who's serious, if I'm honest. "And when they say it, it's usually because they want to make a political point. "The reality is, if you ask any doctor working in any part of the system they'll say this, that what is threatening our ability to do cancer... is the fact that so much of the NHS effort, so many of the beds, are having to be put over to Covid and we're having to work in a less efficient way because Covid is there."
"The idea that the lockdowns caused the problems with things like cancer is a complete inversion of reality. If we'd not had the lockdowns, the whole system would be in deep, deep trouble."
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Whitty
posted on 16/12/21
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 38 seconds ago
Ginger you're ranting about something that nobody has said
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Not so.
Tam claimed that he sees the argument all the time re cancer treatments and claimed that things would be a lot worse if we hadn’t locked down before. Nobody knows that and evidence is pouring out every day as to how much more damaging it is. We’ll probably never find out.
His last comment was just a personal swipe at me from yesterday where he “imagined” I’d made claims about modelling and mitigation effects.
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Aye. You away and slap your own head. Might knock some sense into it and stop you making ridiculous assumptions and accusations.
Then again…..
posted on 16/12/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 minute ago
And like i said earlier I can attest that cancer treatments weren't affected by lockdown and those in the NHS moved heaven and earth to ensure things went ahead with no delay
The mental health and other concerns were only mentioned by you
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Two of my friends sadly would say the exact opposite. One of them lost their mum a couple of months ago and the other probably only has a couple of weeks with his as she was effectively disregarded for a cough when it turned out to be cancer and now very much terminal.
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That's at diagnosis and I am sure there are cases of that where GPs couldn't do in person or were working out how to consult remotely etc yeah but again it's not that NHS prioritised covid over cancer but an operational risk that popped up from a BCP/disaster recovery scenario
posted on 16/12/21
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 38 seconds ago
Ginger you're ranting about something that nobody has said
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Not so.
Tam claimed that he sees the argument all the time re cancer treatments and claimed that things would be a lot worse if we hadn’t locked down before. Nobody knows that and evidence is pouring out every day as to how much more damaging it is. We’ll probably never find out.
His last comment was just a personal swipe at me from yesterday where he “imagined” I’d made claims about modelling and mitigation effects.
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Aye. You away and slap your own head. Might knock some sense into it and stop you making ridiculous assumptions and accusations.
Then again…..
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I haven't done anything of the sort. You've come on here with a bee in your bonnet and taken swipes at me.
posted on 16/12/21
https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1471499097014079496?t=0pqh-BlrMh2sacQfeUtMkA&s=19
He's just taking the mick with that hair now
posted on 16/12/21
Whilst those figures of 100,000 are quite alarming, Im surprised the more data driven amongst us aren't pointing out that the number of patients would be more helpful..
My friends mum (who sadly has around a month left to live) had her cancer appointments cancelled 5 times over the first two lockdowns, (1 she cancelled/refused herself to have a break in the summer) that 100,000 won't relate to 100,000 people fortunately and it certainly won't be a 100% death rate either.
Lockdowns are essential to protect other NHS services, and I'll continue to advocate/defend them until we have a sensible approach that protects other services.
posted on 16/12/21
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
There are an absolute shiiiitload of papers on the direct and indirect impacts of lockdowns Ginger, on everything from the most obvious to downstream impacts on healthcare provision, to sleep patterns and eating habits, to wider economic issues for the decade to come. The idea that we know next to nothing about the downstream impacts is nonsense.
Some areas have seen greater focus than others, but it is very clear that, short-term, lockdowns have saved literally millions of lives globally, and prevented millions more from suffering (immediately) hospitalisation, and longer-term issues, including long-term breathing problems, heart complications, chronic kidney impairment, strokes, etc. There is growing evidence, for example, about a very worrying relationship between COVID-19 and rapid onset type-I diabetes, particularly in children.
What would you have done as hospitals approached capacity? Just let the virus rip and leave people dying in the streets? Conjured thousands of additional beds and healthcare staff out of nowhere?
As for the ‘cancer treatments’ argument, academically that has been put to bed already. Those countries which locked down earlier and harder and controlled the first couple of waves saw fewer issues with cancellations and healthcare staff shortages than those which took a laissez faire approach and saw their healthcare systems stretched to the limit.
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I don’t doubt there are. As I said we’ve yet to get through and understand what the implications are.
What would I have done? I genuinely have no idea which is why I won’t criticise anyone who’s made a stand or has a belief. I don’t have the ability or the power to have done anything. I’ve generally followed the advice and I’ve taken every vaccination going.
I will not however just listen to one side of the other and proclaim is as gospel. And I’m sorry but modelling we have seen to date has been so wide of the mark it’s it would be considered incredible were it not for the lack of knowledge at any given time. But there has certainly in my mind been a terrible agenda of fear mongering going on from the media, the governments and some of these so called experts who have as much knowledge on virus behaviour as you or I have.
posted on 16/12/21
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted less than a minute ago
Whilst those figures of 100,000 are quite alarming, Im surprised the more data driven amongst us aren't pointing out that the number of patients would be more helpful..
My friends mum (who sadly has around a month left to live) had her cancer appointments cancelled 5 times over the first two lockdowns, (1 she cancelled/refused herself to have a break in the summer) that 100,000 won't relate to 100,000 people fortunately and it certainly won't be a 100% death rate either.
Lockdowns are essential to protect other NHS services, and I'll continue to advocate/defend them until we have a sensible approach that protects other services.
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How long do you believe we should carry on like this?
posted on 16/12/21
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 38 seconds ago
Ginger you're ranting about something that nobody has said
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Not so.
Tam claimed that he sees the argument all the time re cancer treatments and claimed that things would be a lot worse if we hadn’t locked down before. Nobody knows that and evidence is pouring out every day as to how much more damaging it is. We’ll probably never find out.
His last comment was just a personal swipe at me from yesterday where he “imagined” I’d made claims about modelling and mitigation effects.
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Aye. You away and slap your own head. Might knock some sense into it and stop you making ridiculous assumptions and accusations.
Then again…..
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I haven't done anything of the sort. You've come on here with a bee in your bonnet and taken swipes at me.
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Then you must have a double on here. Stranger things have happened
posted on 16/12/21
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 minute ago
And like i said earlier I can attest that cancer treatments weren't affected by lockdown and those in the NHS moved heaven and earth to ensure things went ahead with no delay
The mental health and other concerns were only mentioned by you
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Two of my friends sadly would say the exact opposite. One of them lost their mum a couple of months ago and the other probably only has a couple of weeks with his as she was effectively disregarded for a cough when it turned out to be cancer and now very much terminal.
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That's at diagnosis and I am sure there are cases of that where GPs couldn't do in person or were working out how to consult remotely etc yeah but again it's not that NHS prioritised covid over cancer but an operational risk that popped up from a BCP/disaster recovery scenario
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One of them was the other was post diagnosis, surgery was delayed for months. I’m not blaming the NHS or staff of course
posted on 16/12/21
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted less than a minute ago
Whilst those figures of 100,000 are quite alarming, Im surprised the more data driven amongst us aren't pointing out that the number of patients would be more helpful..
My friends mum (who sadly has around a month left to live) had her cancer appointments cancelled 5 times over the first two lockdowns, (1 she cancelled/refused herself to have a break in the summer) that 100,000 won't relate to 100,000 people fortunately and it certainly won't be a 100% death rate either.
Lockdowns are essential to protect other NHS services, and I'll continue to advocate/defend them until we have a sensible approach that protects other services.
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How long do you believe we should carry on like this?
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I mean the CMO has literally today said that not introducing measures will cause more issues and lead to more deaths as the NHS won't be able to manage a huge wave alongside all other treatments
posted on 16/12/21
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 38 seconds ago
Ginger you're ranting about something that nobody has said
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Not so.
Tam claimed that he sees the argument all the time re cancer treatments and claimed that things would be a lot worse if we hadn’t locked down before. Nobody knows that and evidence is pouring out every day as to how much more damaging it is. We’ll probably never find out.
His last comment was just a personal swipe at me from yesterday where he “imagined” I’d made claims about modelling and mitigation effects.
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Aye. You away and slap your own head. Might knock some sense into it and stop you making ridiculous assumptions and accusations.
Then again…..
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I haven't done anything of the sort. You've come on here with a bee in your bonnet and taken swipes at me.
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Then you must have a double on here. Stranger things have happened
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Show me where I have mentioned you on this thread or made any accusations towards you.
posted on 16/12/21
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 38 seconds ago
Ginger you're ranting about something that nobody has said
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Not so.
Tam claimed that he sees the argument all the time re cancer treatments and claimed that things would be a lot worse if we hadn’t locked down before. Nobody knows that and evidence is pouring out every day as to how much more damaging it is. We’ll probably never find out.
His last comment was just a personal swipe at me from yesterday where he “imagined” I’d made claims about modelling and mitigation effects.
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Aye. You away and slap your own head. Might knock some sense into it and stop you making ridiculous assumptions and accusations.
Then again…..
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I haven't done anything of the sort. You've come on here with a bee in your bonnet and taken swipes at me.
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Then you must have a double on here. Stranger things have happened
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Show me where I have mentioned you on this thread or made any accusations towards you.
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Just now 😂
posted on 16/12/21
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted less than a minute ago
Whilst those figures of 100,000 are quite alarming, Im surprised the more data driven amongst us aren't pointing out that the number of patients would be more helpful..
My friends mum (who sadly has around a month left to live) had her cancer appointments cancelled 5 times over the first two lockdowns, (1 she cancelled/refused herself to have a break in the summer) that 100,000 won't relate to 100,000 people fortunately and it certainly won't be a 100% death rate either.
Lockdowns are essential to protect other NHS services, and I'll continue to advocate/defend them until we have a sensible approach that protects other services.
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How long do you believe we should carry on like this?
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I mean the CMO has literally today said that not introducing measures will cause more issues and lead to more deaths as the NHS won't be able to manage a huge wave alongside all other treatments
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If the modelling is even remotely correct then no we won’t. So why are we not in immediate lockdown if this is the only resort to turn to.
posted on 16/12/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 38 seconds ago
Ginger you're ranting about something that nobody has said
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Not so.
Tam claimed that he sees the argument all the time re cancer treatments and claimed that things would be a lot worse if we hadn’t locked down before. Nobody knows that and evidence is pouring out every day as to how much more damaging it is. We’ll probably never find out.
His last comment was just a personal swipe at me from yesterday where he “imagined” I’d made claims about modelling and mitigation effects.
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Aye. You away and slap your own head. Might knock some sense into it and stop you making ridiculous assumptions and accusations.
Then again…..
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I haven't done anything of the sort. You've come on here with a bee in your bonnet and taken swipes at me.
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Then you must have a double on here. Stranger things have happened
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Show me where I have mentioned you on this thread or made any accusations towards you.
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Just now 😂
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Where? I've just responded to Ginger doing it to me.
posted on 16/12/21
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Where? I've just responded to Ginger doing it to me.
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Just messing
posted on 16/12/21
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 38 seconds ago
Ginger you're ranting about something that nobody has said
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Not so.
Tam claimed that he sees the argument all the time re cancer treatments and claimed that things would be a lot worse if we hadn’t locked down before. Nobody knows that and evidence is pouring out every day as to how much more damaging it is. We’ll probably never find out.
His last comment was just a personal swipe at me from yesterday where he “imagined” I’d made claims about modelling and mitigation effects.
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Aye. You away and slap your own head. Might knock some sense into it and stop you making ridiculous assumptions and accusations.
Then again…..
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I haven't done anything of the sort. You've come on here with a bee in your bonnet and taken swipes at me.
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Then you must have a double on here. Stranger things have happened
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Show me where I have mentioned you on this thread or made any accusations towards you.
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Just now 😂
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Ach, I’m fed up arguing back and fore. And that includes you Tam so apologies if they are due
There’s more to life than this but I’ll probably piiiss everyone off now by saying I’m off out to socialise in Liverpool tonight.
posted on 16/12/21
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted less than a minute ago
Whilst those figures of 100,000 are quite alarming, Im surprised the more data driven amongst us aren't pointing out that the number of patients would be more helpful..
My friends mum (who sadly has around a month left to live) had her cancer appointments cancelled 5 times over the first two lockdowns, (1 she cancelled/refused herself to have a break in the summer) that 100,000 won't relate to 100,000 people fortunately and it certainly won't be a 100% death rate either.
Lockdowns are essential to protect other NHS services, and I'll continue to advocate/defend them until we have a sensible approach that protects other services.
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How long do you believe we should carry on like this?
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Well, I care about the provision of all other NHS services, so as long as we need too.
Also k would be completely happy with mask mandates and distancing suggestions being much more frequent.. afterall I'm sure we would all rather have such a minor inconvenience if it prevents far worse restrictions that fack up our ability to enjoy life, socialise and for many: earn a living.
It's going to be less necessary as we build up a catalogue of immunity against the disease anyway, and hopefully they will isolate parts of the virus that doesn't mutate so we can get vaccinations that are far more effective (and hopefully distributable by tablet through the post as they suggest they hope for)
But until then: it's too important that people have access to lifesaving treatment and we need to protect it (or reopen nightingales to prevent covid patients entering hospitals)
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