I wouldn’t say martial has improved under ole at all.
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Then you would be wrong.
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 18 seconds ago
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comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
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Solskjaer's mentor didn't. Either Fergie was happy with the club's backing in every single transfer window we had (including the one where we reinvested the Ronaldo money in Valencia and Owen during those wondrous 'no value in the market' years) or he was true to his belief that there should never been a sliver of public distance between the manager and the chief exec.
It's really hard to say who takes responsibility for the shortcomings of last summer's recruitment. We have no idea what Solskjaer's and Woodward's relative input and weight in decision making were.
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Comparing Ole to Fergie is like comparing apples to eggs.
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What a nonsense comment. You were talking $hit about how most managers let it known if they aren't happy with signings. Its utter drivel. Any attempt to have a pop at Ole. Toddle off you wumtard.
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It's utter drivel yet you gave one example that supported your claim and it was Fergie
I bet i can find more examples of managers hinting or outright saying they weren't happy with their deals than you can find examples of managers not being happy but never saying anything..
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How would you know they were not happy if they didn’t say so?
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
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Solskjaer's mentor didn't. Either Fergie was happy with the club's backing in every single transfer window we had (including the one where we reinvested the Ronaldo money in Valencia and Owen during those wondrous 'no value in the market' years) or he was true to his belief that there should never been a sliver of public distance between the manager and the chief exec.
It's really hard to say who takes responsibility for the shortcomings of last summer's recruitment. We have no idea what Solskjaer's and Woodward's relative input and weight in decision making were.
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Comparing Ole to Fergie is like comparing apples to eggs.
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What a nonsense comment. You were talking $hit about how most managers let it known if they aren't happy with signings. Its utter drivel. Any attempt to have a pop at Ole. Toddle off you wumtard.
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It's utter drivel yet you gave one example that supported your claim and it was Fergie
I bet i can find more examples of managers hinting or outright saying they weren't happy with their deals than you can find examples of managers not being happy but never saying anything..
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It wasn't even me that mentioned Fergie. Do keep up brains.
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
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Solskjaer's mentor didn't. Either Fergie was happy with the club's backing in every single transfer window we had (including the one where we reinvested the Ronaldo money in Valencia and Owen during those wondrous 'no value in the market' years) or he was true to his belief that there should never been a sliver of public distance between the manager and the chief exec.
It's really hard to say who takes responsibility for the shortcomings of last summer's recruitment. We have no idea what Solskjaer's and Woodward's relative input and weight in decision making were.
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Comparing Ole to Fergie is like comparing apples to eggs.
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What a nonsense comment. You were talking $hit about how most managers let it known if they aren't happy with signings. Its utter drivel. Any attempt to have a pop at Ole. Toddle off you wumtard.
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It's utter drivel yet you gave one example that supported your claim and it was Fergie
I bet i can find more examples of managers hinting or outright saying they weren't happy with their deals than you can find examples of managers not being happy but never saying anything..
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How would you know they were not happy if they didn’t say so?
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He was supposed to reply with this and kill his own point. you spoil sport
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posted 1 minute ago
I should add that nothing Ole has done is comparable to that moneyball game under Moyes.
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That game was still more entertaining than a lot of the Ole slogfests
I’d much rather one Fulham game than our nothing performance away at Bournemouth or Newcastle
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We were talking in game management. As usual you move the goalposts.
We god knows how many crosses in and had no success, and Moyes kept us doing the same thing for the whole game. Ole does sometimes wait to long to makes changes, but at least he does make changes.
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My bad. I read your response wrong - but there are plenty of times he doesn’t do much. He doesn’t even really have a plan B. Can you really be honest and tell us that if we go a goal down you feel confident? I think in all the time he’s been at the club he’s come back to win in a grand total of 2 games. And one of those was against Newcastle last week who literally gifted that game to us on a plate
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i don't feel confident when we go behind no, because our opponent is more likely to sit deep. And we then struggle to break them down. Guess why?
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posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
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Solskjaer's mentor didn't. Either Fergie was happy with the club's backing in every single transfer window we had (including the one where we reinvested the Ronaldo money in Valencia and Owen during those wondrous 'no value in the market' years) or he was true to his belief that there should never been a sliver of public distance between the manager and the chief exec.
It's really hard to say who takes responsibility for the shortcomings of last summer's recruitment. We have no idea what Solskjaer's and Woodward's relative input and weight in decision making were.
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Comparing Ole to Fergie is like comparing apples to eggs.
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What a nonsense comment. You were talking $hit about how most managers let it known if they aren't happy with signings. Its utter drivel. Any attempt to have a pop at Ole. Toddle off you wumtard.
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It's utter drivel yet you gave one example that supported your claim and it was Fergie
I bet i can find more examples of managers hinting or outright saying they weren't happy with their deals than you can find examples of managers not being happy but never saying anything..
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It wasn't even me that mentioned Fergie. Do keep up brains.
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You keep supporting Ole then too brains
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
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Solskjaer's mentor didn't. Either Fergie was happy with the club's backing in every single transfer window we had (including the one where we reinvested the Ronaldo money in Valencia and Owen during those wondrous 'no value in the market' years) or he was true to his belief that there should never been a sliver of public distance between the manager and the chief exec.
It's really hard to say who takes responsibility for the shortcomings of last summer's recruitment. We have no idea what Solskjaer's and Woodward's relative input and weight in decision making were.
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Comparing Ole to Fergie is like comparing apples to eggs.
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Come on Fash. You said no managers would be disappointed about their club's backing in the transfer window and keep quiet about their disappointment (Ancelotti springs to mind). There are plenty of other examples of diplomatic managers, but Fergie is the most relevant one because Solskjaer has acknowledged he's the biggest influence on him. This has nothing to do with their respective abilities as managers. It's just refuting your factually incorrect claim.
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 17 seconds ago
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
I should add that nothing Ole has done is comparable to that moneyball game under Moyes.
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That game was still more entertaining than a lot of the Ole slogfests
I’d much rather one Fulham game than our nothing performance away at Bournemouth or Newcastle
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We were talking in game management. As usual you move the goalposts.
We god knows how many crosses in and had no success, and Moyes kept us doing the same thing for the whole game. Ole does sometimes wait to long to makes changes, but at least he does make changes.
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My bad. I read your response wrong - but there are plenty of times he doesn’t do much. He doesn’t even really have a plan B. Can you really be honest and tell us that if we go a goal down you feel confident? I think in all the time he’s been at the club he’s come back to win in a grand total of 2 games. And one of those was against Newcastle last week who literally gifted that game to us on a plate
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i don't feel confident when we go behind no, because our opponent is more likely to sit deep. And we then struggle to break them down. Guess why?
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We actually are something like 15th in the table for beating the teams in the bottom half of said table
Are you saying we have the 15th most creative midfield in the PL? Or that maybe just maybe, there are other ways that Ole can try to set up? It doesn’t all just come down to a couple of signings.
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
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Solskjaer's mentor didn't. Either Fergie was happy with the club's backing in every single transfer window we had (including the one where we reinvested the Ronaldo money in Valencia and Owen during those wondrous 'no value in the market' years) or he was true to his belief that there should never been a sliver of public distance between the manager and the chief exec.
It's really hard to say who takes responsibility for the shortcomings of last summer's recruitment. We have no idea what Solskjaer's and Woodward's relative input and weight in decision making were.
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Comparing Ole to Fergie is like comparing apples to eggs.
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What a nonsense comment. You were talking $hit about how most managers let it known if they aren't happy with signings. Its utter drivel. Any attempt to have a pop at Ole. Toddle off you wumtard.
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It's utter drivel yet you gave one example that supported your claim and it was Fergie
I bet i can find more examples of managers hinting or outright saying they weren't happy with their deals than you can find examples of managers not being happy but never saying anything..
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It wasn't even me that mentioned Fergie. Do keep up brains.
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You keep supporting Ole then too brains
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I'm not supporting him. I am giving him a fair chance. If we don't improve after we have strengthened the midfield then I will agree that he needs to be replaced. He just hasn't had a fair chance to rebuild the squad yet in my opinion.
My bad. I read your response wrong
.......
Maybe you should take a break and stop rage typing all the time.
Read what people say to you and then accept their point of view if it isn’t stupid.
Then you can debate properly and become a decent member of our community.
Someone actually argued yesterday that our players had gone backwards wholesale under Ole, then when given counterexamples, argued that those particular players were simply “on form”
Some people’s agendas are laughably transparent.
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comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
I should add that nothing Ole has done is comparable to that moneyball game under Moyes.
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That game was still more entertaining than a lot of the Ole slogfests
I’d much rather one Fulham game than our nothing performance away at Bournemouth or Newcastle
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We were talking in game management. As usual you move the goalposts.
We god knows how many crosses in and had no success, and Moyes kept us doing the same thing for the whole game. Ole does sometimes wait to long to makes changes, but at least he does make changes.
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My bad. I read your response wrong - but there are plenty of times he doesn’t do much. He doesn’t even really have a plan B. Can you really be honest and tell us that if we go a goal down you feel confident? I think in all the time he’s been at the club he’s come back to win in a grand total of 2 games. And one of those was against Newcastle last week who literally gifted that game to us on a plate
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i don't feel confident when we go behind no, because our opponent is more likely to sit deep. And we then struggle to break them down. Guess why?
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We actually are something like 15th in the table for beating the teams in the bottom half of said table
Are you saying we have the 15th most creative midfield in the PL? Or that maybe just maybe, there are other ways that Ole can try to set up? It doesn’t all just come down to a couple of signings.
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Is that a serious question?
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comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
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Solskjaer's mentor didn't. Either Fergie was happy with the club's backing in every single transfer window we had (including the one where we reinvested the Ronaldo money in Valencia and Owen during those wondrous 'no value in the market' years) or he was true to his belief that there should never been a sliver of public distance between the manager and the chief exec.
It's really hard to say who takes responsibility for the shortcomings of last summer's recruitment. We have no idea what Solskjaer's and Woodward's relative input and weight in decision making were.
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Comparing Ole to Fergie is like comparing apples to eggs.
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Come on Fash. You said no managers would be disappointed about their club's backing in the transfer window and keep quiet about their disappointment (Ancelotti springs to mind). There are plenty of other examples of diplomatic managers, but Fergie is the most relevant one because Solskjaer has acknowledged he's the biggest influence on him. This has nothing to do with their respective abilities as managers. It's just refuting your factually incorrect claim.
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If we don’t sign anyone in January, Solskjaer should play Wan-Bissaka or Shaw at no. 10 for the rest of the season, to make his feelings clear.
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
Someone actually argued yesterday that our players had gone backwards wholesale under Ole, then when given counterexamples, argued that those particular players were simply “on form”
Some people’s agendas are laughably transparent.
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I know. My favourite today being that Ole only has us in 5th because the other teams have been so poor. These are the same people that are clamoring for Poch, who only managed to have Spurs finishing in the top 4 because 3 of the the traditional big 4 teams were well below par whilst he was at Spurs. Otherwise he would have been finishing in 4th or 5th place, just the same as Redknapp. To be fair to Redknapp, he has actually won a trophy too.
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comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
Someone actually argued yesterday that our players had gone backwards wholesale under Ole, then when given counterexamples, argued that those particular players were simply “on form”
Some people’s agendas are laughably transparent.
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I know. My favourite today being that Ole only has us in 5th because the other teams have been so poor. These are the same people that are clamoring for Poch, who only managed to have Spurs finishing in the top 4 because 3 of the the traditional big 4 teams were well below par whilst he was at Spurs. Otherwise he would have been finishing in 4th or 5th place, just the same as Redknapp. To be fair to Redknapp, he has actually won a trophy too.
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Wow, is that genuinely how you see Poch’s time at Spurs? Amazing
Someone actually argued yesterday that our players had gone backwards wholesale under Ole, then when given counterexamples, argued that those particular players were simply “on form”
.....,,
Was that the same someone who called you a ‘douche’ or another of the Nohlman breed of bad debater.
There’s an element of truth about Spurs under Poch. But their performances and points totals were comparable, in the main, to the traditional powers when they’d been finishing in the positions Spurs were.
We, however, are still behind a Chelsea team that have had their worst ever half season under Roman’s regime. We are legitimately where we are in the league because so many teams have been bad in the league.
And I love how people talk about ‘agendas’ , this sites buzzword for people you don’t agree with
If you don’t rate a manager it’s not an agenda. It’s an opinion and it’s really not like Ole has done much to change minds. The one time in his United career I did warm to him and wanted to back him - then one of the worst runs in United history happened and it turns out my ‘agenda’ (see how I abbreviate it) was more fitting with the reality of the situation.
I’d say people like Rosso (good poster) is more of an ‘agenda-haver’ as he’s arguing in the minority here - he loves the United youth, Ole plays them. So he’d seemingly rather see Ole stay and be out of his depth just because (some of) the youth are played
Of course, I could just be speaking nonsense but the point here is that if Rosso feels qualified to talk of agendas based on nothing but people has I gotta very valid major doubts about Ole, he can equally be accused of having an agenda
Another longstanding particular favourite of mine which seems to have resurfaced recently sees the same kind of unfortunate poster argue that we have a poor - a “mid table standard” - squad due to the manager’s failures in the transfer market (despite only having had one window and having to work with an incompetent megalomaniac of a Chief Exec), then in the same breath arguing that the manager’s technical and tactical incompetence is driving underperformance as evidenced by our fifth placed standing in the league
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posted 20 seconds ago
There’s an element of truth about Spurs under Poch. But their performances and points totals were comparable, in the main, to the traditional powers when they’d been finishing in the positions Spurs were.
We, however, are still behind a Chelsea team that have had their worst ever half season under Roman’s regime. We are legitimately where we are in the league because so many teams have been bad in the league.
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Yep, and two of our traditional rivals have sacked their managers for poor starts
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
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Solskjaer's mentor didn't. Either Fergie was happy with the club's backing in every single transfer window we had (including the one where we reinvested the Ronaldo money in Valencia and Owen during those wondrous 'no value in the market' years) or he was true to his belief that there should never been a sliver of public distance between the manager and the chief exec.
It's really hard to say who takes responsibility for the shortcomings of last summer's recruitment. We have no idea what Solskjaer's and Woodward's relative input and weight in decision making were.
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Comparing Ole to Fergie is like comparing apples to eggs.
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Come on Fash. You said no managers would be disappointed about their club's backing in the transfer window and keep quiet about their disappointment (Ancelotti springs to mind). There are plenty of other examples of diplomatic managers, but Fergie is the most relevant one because Solskjaer has acknowledged he's the biggest influence on him. This has nothing to do with their respective abilities as managers. It's just refuting your factually incorrect claim.
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You are aware I’m repeating what Ole said so you guys are suggesting he said he was happy even though he wasn’t but there’s just no evidence of that
*but people having major doubts about Ole
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
Someone actually argued yesterday that our players had gone backwards wholesale under Ole, then when given counterexamples, argued that those particular players were simply “on form”
Some people’s agendas are laughably transparent.
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I know. My favourite today being that Ole only has us in 5th because the other teams have been so poor. These are the same people that are clamoring for Poch, who only managed to have Spurs finishing in the top 4 because 3 of the the traditional big 4 teams were well below par whilst he was at Spurs. Otherwise he would have been finishing in 4th or 5th place, just the same as Redknapp. To be fair to Redknapp, he has actually won a trophy too.
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Wow, is that genuinely how you see Poch’s time at Spurs? Amazing
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No Robb. Not completely. But it is basically the same argument you have used to deride Ole having us in 5th. There is however some element of truth in it. Poch did a good job at Spurs on the whole, but he was lucky to some extent that the other big teams are/were so below their usual standards. He was also very lucky with Spurs route to the CL final - especially in the early stages of the competition.
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
Another longstanding particular favourite of mine which seems to have resurfaced recently sees the same kind of unfortunate poster argue that we have a poor - a “mid table standard” - squad due to the manager’s failures in the transfer market (despite only having had one window and having to work with an incompetent megalomaniac of a Chief Exec), then in the same breath arguing that the manager’s technical and tactical incompetence is driving underperformance as evidenced by our fifth placed standing in the league
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Amazing isn't it?
So. Does Bruno Fernandes come is a a No10 or in a midfield two/three?
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I wouldn’t say martial has improved under ole at all.
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Then you would be wrong.
posted on 3/1/20
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
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Solskjaer's mentor didn't. Either Fergie was happy with the club's backing in every single transfer window we had (including the one where we reinvested the Ronaldo money in Valencia and Owen during those wondrous 'no value in the market' years) or he was true to his belief that there should never been a sliver of public distance between the manager and the chief exec.
It's really hard to say who takes responsibility for the shortcomings of last summer's recruitment. We have no idea what Solskjaer's and Woodward's relative input and weight in decision making were.
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Comparing Ole to Fergie is like comparing apples to eggs.
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What a nonsense comment. You were talking $hit about how most managers let it known if they aren't happy with signings. Its utter drivel. Any attempt to have a pop at Ole. Toddle off you wumtard.
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It's utter drivel yet you gave one example that supported your claim and it was Fergie
I bet i can find more examples of managers hinting or outright saying they weren't happy with their deals than you can find examples of managers not being happy but never saying anything..
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How would you know they were not happy if they didn’t say so?
posted on 3/1/20
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
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Solskjaer's mentor didn't. Either Fergie was happy with the club's backing in every single transfer window we had (including the one where we reinvested the Ronaldo money in Valencia and Owen during those wondrous 'no value in the market' years) or he was true to his belief that there should never been a sliver of public distance between the manager and the chief exec.
It's really hard to say who takes responsibility for the shortcomings of last summer's recruitment. We have no idea what Solskjaer's and Woodward's relative input and weight in decision making were.
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Comparing Ole to Fergie is like comparing apples to eggs.
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What a nonsense comment. You were talking $hit about how most managers let it known if they aren't happy with signings. Its utter drivel. Any attempt to have a pop at Ole. Toddle off you wumtard.
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It's utter drivel yet you gave one example that supported your claim and it was Fergie
I bet i can find more examples of managers hinting or outright saying they weren't happy with their deals than you can find examples of managers not being happy but never saying anything..
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It wasn't even me that mentioned Fergie. Do keep up brains.
posted on 3/1/20
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
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Solskjaer's mentor didn't. Either Fergie was happy with the club's backing in every single transfer window we had (including the one where we reinvested the Ronaldo money in Valencia and Owen during those wondrous 'no value in the market' years) or he was true to his belief that there should never been a sliver of public distance between the manager and the chief exec.
It's really hard to say who takes responsibility for the shortcomings of last summer's recruitment. We have no idea what Solskjaer's and Woodward's relative input and weight in decision making were.
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Comparing Ole to Fergie is like comparing apples to eggs.
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What a nonsense comment. You were talking $hit about how most managers let it known if they aren't happy with signings. Its utter drivel. Any attempt to have a pop at Ole. Toddle off you wumtard.
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It's utter drivel yet you gave one example that supported your claim and it was Fergie
I bet i can find more examples of managers hinting or outright saying they weren't happy with their deals than you can find examples of managers not being happy but never saying anything..
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How would you know they were not happy if they didn’t say so?
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He was supposed to reply with this and kill his own point. you spoil sport
posted on 3/1/20
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
I should add that nothing Ole has done is comparable to that moneyball game under Moyes.
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That game was still more entertaining than a lot of the Ole slogfests
I’d much rather one Fulham game than our nothing performance away at Bournemouth or Newcastle
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We were talking in game management. As usual you move the goalposts.
We god knows how many crosses in and had no success, and Moyes kept us doing the same thing for the whole game. Ole does sometimes wait to long to makes changes, but at least he does make changes.
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My bad. I read your response wrong - but there are plenty of times he doesn’t do much. He doesn’t even really have a plan B. Can you really be honest and tell us that if we go a goal down you feel confident? I think in all the time he’s been at the club he’s come back to win in a grand total of 2 games. And one of those was against Newcastle last week who literally gifted that game to us on a plate
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i don't feel confident when we go behind no, because our opponent is more likely to sit deep. And we then struggle to break them down. Guess why?
posted on 3/1/20
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
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Solskjaer's mentor didn't. Either Fergie was happy with the club's backing in every single transfer window we had (including the one where we reinvested the Ronaldo money in Valencia and Owen during those wondrous 'no value in the market' years) or he was true to his belief that there should never been a sliver of public distance between the manager and the chief exec.
It's really hard to say who takes responsibility for the shortcomings of last summer's recruitment. We have no idea what Solskjaer's and Woodward's relative input and weight in decision making were.
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Comparing Ole to Fergie is like comparing apples to eggs.
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What a nonsense comment. You were talking $hit about how most managers let it known if they aren't happy with signings. Its utter drivel. Any attempt to have a pop at Ole. Toddle off you wumtard.
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It's utter drivel yet you gave one example that supported your claim and it was Fergie
I bet i can find more examples of managers hinting or outright saying they weren't happy with their deals than you can find examples of managers not being happy but never saying anything..
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It wasn't even me that mentioned Fergie. Do keep up brains.
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You keep supporting Ole then too brains
posted on 3/1/20
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
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Solskjaer's mentor didn't. Either Fergie was happy with the club's backing in every single transfer window we had (including the one where we reinvested the Ronaldo money in Valencia and Owen during those wondrous 'no value in the market' years) or he was true to his belief that there should never been a sliver of public distance between the manager and the chief exec.
It's really hard to say who takes responsibility for the shortcomings of last summer's recruitment. We have no idea what Solskjaer's and Woodward's relative input and weight in decision making were.
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Comparing Ole to Fergie is like comparing apples to eggs.
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Come on Fash. You said no managers would be disappointed about their club's backing in the transfer window and keep quiet about their disappointment (Ancelotti springs to mind). There are plenty of other examples of diplomatic managers, but Fergie is the most relevant one because Solskjaer has acknowledged he's the biggest influence on him. This has nothing to do with their respective abilities as managers. It's just refuting your factually incorrect claim.
posted on 3/1/20
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
I should add that nothing Ole has done is comparable to that moneyball game under Moyes.
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That game was still more entertaining than a lot of the Ole slogfests
I’d much rather one Fulham game than our nothing performance away at Bournemouth or Newcastle
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We were talking in game management. As usual you move the goalposts.
We god knows how many crosses in and had no success, and Moyes kept us doing the same thing for the whole game. Ole does sometimes wait to long to makes changes, but at least he does make changes.
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My bad. I read your response wrong - but there are plenty of times he doesn’t do much. He doesn’t even really have a plan B. Can you really be honest and tell us that if we go a goal down you feel confident? I think in all the time he’s been at the club he’s come back to win in a grand total of 2 games. And one of those was against Newcastle last week who literally gifted that game to us on a plate
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i don't feel confident when we go behind no, because our opponent is more likely to sit deep. And we then struggle to break them down. Guess why?
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We actually are something like 15th in the table for beating the teams in the bottom half of said table
Are you saying we have the 15th most creative midfield in the PL? Or that maybe just maybe, there are other ways that Ole can try to set up? It doesn’t all just come down to a couple of signings.
posted on 3/1/20
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 18 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
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Solskjaer's mentor didn't. Either Fergie was happy with the club's backing in every single transfer window we had (including the one where we reinvested the Ronaldo money in Valencia and Owen during those wondrous 'no value in the market' years) or he was true to his belief that there should never been a sliver of public distance between the manager and the chief exec.
It's really hard to say who takes responsibility for the shortcomings of last summer's recruitment. We have no idea what Solskjaer's and Woodward's relative input and weight in decision making were.
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Comparing Ole to Fergie is like comparing apples to eggs.
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What a nonsense comment. You were talking $hit about how most managers let it known if they aren't happy with signings. Its utter drivel. Any attempt to have a pop at Ole. Toddle off you wumtard.
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It's utter drivel yet you gave one example that supported your claim and it was Fergie
I bet i can find more examples of managers hinting or outright saying they weren't happy with their deals than you can find examples of managers not being happy but never saying anything..
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It wasn't even me that mentioned Fergie. Do keep up brains.
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You keep supporting Ole then too brains
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I'm not supporting him. I am giving him a fair chance. If we don't improve after we have strengthened the midfield then I will agree that he needs to be replaced. He just hasn't had a fair chance to rebuild the squad yet in my opinion.
posted on 3/1/20
My bad. I read your response wrong
.......
Maybe you should take a break and stop rage typing all the time.
Read what people say to you and then accept their point of view if it isn’t stupid.
Then you can debate properly and become a decent member of our community.
posted on 3/1/20
Someone actually argued yesterday that our players had gone backwards wholesale under Ole, then when given counterexamples, argued that those particular players were simply “on form”
Some people’s agendas are laughably transparent.
posted on 3/1/20
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
I should add that nothing Ole has done is comparable to that moneyball game under Moyes.
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That game was still more entertaining than a lot of the Ole slogfests
I’d much rather one Fulham game than our nothing performance away at Bournemouth or Newcastle
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We were talking in game management. As usual you move the goalposts.
We god knows how many crosses in and had no success, and Moyes kept us doing the same thing for the whole game. Ole does sometimes wait to long to makes changes, but at least he does make changes.
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My bad. I read your response wrong - but there are plenty of times he doesn’t do much. He doesn’t even really have a plan B. Can you really be honest and tell us that if we go a goal down you feel confident? I think in all the time he’s been at the club he’s come back to win in a grand total of 2 games. And one of those was against Newcastle last week who literally gifted that game to us on a plate
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i don't feel confident when we go behind no, because our opponent is more likely to sit deep. And we then struggle to break them down. Guess why?
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We actually are something like 15th in the table for beating the teams in the bottom half of said table
Are you saying we have the 15th most creative midfield in the PL? Or that maybe just maybe, there are other ways that Ole can try to set up? It doesn’t all just come down to a couple of signings.
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Is that a serious question?
posted on 3/1/20
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
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Solskjaer's mentor didn't. Either Fergie was happy with the club's backing in every single transfer window we had (including the one where we reinvested the Ronaldo money in Valencia and Owen during those wondrous 'no value in the market' years) or he was true to his belief that there should never been a sliver of public distance between the manager and the chief exec.
It's really hard to say who takes responsibility for the shortcomings of last summer's recruitment. We have no idea what Solskjaer's and Woodward's relative input and weight in decision making were.
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Comparing Ole to Fergie is like comparing apples to eggs.
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Come on Fash. You said no managers would be disappointed about their club's backing in the transfer window and keep quiet about their disappointment (Ancelotti springs to mind). There are plenty of other examples of diplomatic managers, but Fergie is the most relevant one because Solskjaer has acknowledged he's the biggest influence on him. This has nothing to do with their respective abilities as managers. It's just refuting your factually incorrect claim.
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If we don’t sign anyone in January, Solskjaer should play Wan-Bissaka or Shaw at no. 10 for the rest of the season, to make his feelings clear.
posted on 3/1/20
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
Someone actually argued yesterday that our players had gone backwards wholesale under Ole, then when given counterexamples, argued that those particular players were simply “on form”
Some people’s agendas are laughably transparent.
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I know. My favourite today being that Ole only has us in 5th because the other teams have been so poor. These are the same people that are clamoring for Poch, who only managed to have Spurs finishing in the top 4 because 3 of the the traditional big 4 teams were well below par whilst he was at Spurs. Otherwise he would have been finishing in 4th or 5th place, just the same as Redknapp. To be fair to Redknapp, he has actually won a trophy too.
posted on 3/1/20
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
Someone actually argued yesterday that our players had gone backwards wholesale under Ole, then when given counterexamples, argued that those particular players were simply “on form”
Some people’s agendas are laughably transparent.
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I know. My favourite today being that Ole only has us in 5th because the other teams have been so poor. These are the same people that are clamoring for Poch, who only managed to have Spurs finishing in the top 4 because 3 of the the traditional big 4 teams were well below par whilst he was at Spurs. Otherwise he would have been finishing in 4th or 5th place, just the same as Redknapp. To be fair to Redknapp, he has actually won a trophy too.
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Wow, is that genuinely how you see Poch’s time at Spurs? Amazing
posted on 3/1/20
Someone actually argued yesterday that our players had gone backwards wholesale under Ole, then when given counterexamples, argued that those particular players were simply “on form”
.....,,
Was that the same someone who called you a ‘douche’ or another of the Nohlman breed of bad debater.
posted on 3/1/20
There’s an element of truth about Spurs under Poch. But their performances and points totals were comparable, in the main, to the traditional powers when they’d been finishing in the positions Spurs were.
We, however, are still behind a Chelsea team that have had their worst ever half season under Roman’s regime. We are legitimately where we are in the league because so many teams have been bad in the league.
posted on 3/1/20
And I love how people talk about ‘agendas’ , this sites buzzword for people you don’t agree with
If you don’t rate a manager it’s not an agenda. It’s an opinion and it’s really not like Ole has done much to change minds. The one time in his United career I did warm to him and wanted to back him - then one of the worst runs in United history happened and it turns out my ‘agenda’ (see how I abbreviate it) was more fitting with the reality of the situation.
I’d say people like Rosso (good poster) is more of an ‘agenda-haver’ as he’s arguing in the minority here - he loves the United youth, Ole plays them. So he’d seemingly rather see Ole stay and be out of his depth just because (some of) the youth are played
Of course, I could just be speaking nonsense but the point here is that if Rosso feels qualified to talk of agendas based on nothing but people has I gotta very valid major doubts about Ole, he can equally be accused of having an agenda
posted on 3/1/20
Another longstanding particular favourite of mine which seems to have resurfaced recently sees the same kind of unfortunate poster argue that we have a poor - a “mid table standard” - squad due to the manager’s failures in the transfer market (despite only having had one window and having to work with an incompetent megalomaniac of a Chief Exec), then in the same breath arguing that the manager’s technical and tactical incompetence is driving underperformance as evidenced by our fifth placed standing in the league
posted on 3/1/20
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 20 seconds ago
There’s an element of truth about Spurs under Poch. But their performances and points totals were comparable, in the main, to the traditional powers when they’d been finishing in the positions Spurs were.
We, however, are still behind a Chelsea team that have had their worst ever half season under Roman’s regime. We are legitimately where we are in the league because so many teams have been bad in the league.
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Yep, and two of our traditional rivals have sacked their managers for poor starts
posted on 3/1/20
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
Most managers when they aren't happy about signings will let someone know one way or another and we heard nothing of the sort from Ole.
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Solskjaer's mentor didn't. Either Fergie was happy with the club's backing in every single transfer window we had (including the one where we reinvested the Ronaldo money in Valencia and Owen during those wondrous 'no value in the market' years) or he was true to his belief that there should never been a sliver of public distance between the manager and the chief exec.
It's really hard to say who takes responsibility for the shortcomings of last summer's recruitment. We have no idea what Solskjaer's and Woodward's relative input and weight in decision making were.
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Comparing Ole to Fergie is like comparing apples to eggs.
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Come on Fash. You said no managers would be disappointed about their club's backing in the transfer window and keep quiet about their disappointment (Ancelotti springs to mind). There are plenty of other examples of diplomatic managers, but Fergie is the most relevant one because Solskjaer has acknowledged he's the biggest influence on him. This has nothing to do with their respective abilities as managers. It's just refuting your factually incorrect claim.
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You are aware I’m repeating what Ole said so you guys are suggesting he said he was happy even though he wasn’t but there’s just no evidence of that
posted on 3/1/20
*but people having major doubts about Ole
posted on 3/1/20
comment by Robb 2.0 (U22311)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
Someone actually argued yesterday that our players had gone backwards wholesale under Ole, then when given counterexamples, argued that those particular players were simply “on form”
Some people’s agendas are laughably transparent.
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I know. My favourite today being that Ole only has us in 5th because the other teams have been so poor. These are the same people that are clamoring for Poch, who only managed to have Spurs finishing in the top 4 because 3 of the the traditional big 4 teams were well below par whilst he was at Spurs. Otherwise he would have been finishing in 4th or 5th place, just the same as Redknapp. To be fair to Redknapp, he has actually won a trophy too.
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Wow, is that genuinely how you see Poch’s time at Spurs? Amazing
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No Robb. Not completely. But it is basically the same argument you have used to deride Ole having us in 5th. There is however some element of truth in it. Poch did a good job at Spurs on the whole, but he was lucky to some extent that the other big teams are/were so below their usual standards. He was also very lucky with Spurs route to the CL final - especially in the early stages of the competition.
posted on 3/1/20
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
Another longstanding particular favourite of mine which seems to have resurfaced recently sees the same kind of unfortunate poster argue that we have a poor - a “mid table standard” - squad due to the manager’s failures in the transfer market (despite only having had one window and having to work with an incompetent megalomaniac of a Chief Exec), then in the same breath arguing that the manager’s technical and tactical incompetence is driving underperformance as evidenced by our fifth placed standing in the league
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Amazing isn't it?
posted on 3/1/20
So. Does Bruno Fernandes come is a a No10 or in a midfield two/three?
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